Chat Highlights From 12/31/2012

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[06:31 am] Ed : would like more selling
[06:31 am] Ed : monitoring EBAY
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching M for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching LQDT for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching ALJ for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching QIHU for top to short
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching FIRE for short
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching RGLD for top
[06:35 am] Mitch K: monitoring CAG
[06:35 am] Ed : monitor 516 area on AAPL been key  resistance
[06:35 am] Mitch K: monitoring JKHY
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching URI for top, too early
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching QIHU closer
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching ATHN for bottom
[06:39 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[06:40 am] Mitch K: most stocks actually
[06:40 am] Mitch K: lot of stocks bouncing
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching NOC for bottom
[06:41 am] Ed : monitor HLF for breakout with strong vol
[06:42 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[06:43 am] Ed : reduced 3/4 of HLF long
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching SHLD for top
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching retailers for top:  ANF, RL
[06:47 am] Mitch K: watching for quick micro shorts, many stocks
[06:48 am] Mitch K: HLF toppy
[06:49 am] Mitch K: monitoring LMT
[06:50 am] Mitch K: watching KRO for bottom
[06:51 am] Mitch K: CAG bouncing
[06:51 am] Mitch K: taking JKHY off screen
[06:52 am] Mitch K: watching HON for bottom
[06:52 am] Mitch K: watching CLH for top, Clean Harbors
[06:52 am] Mitch K: QIHU toppy
[06:54 am] Ed : 520 next key area on AAPL
[06:55 am] Mitch K: watching LRCX for bottom
[06:58 am] Ed : SPY new hod being helped by AAPL
[07:06 am] Mitch K: today should be beginning of multi day bounce in AAPL
[07:06 am] Ed : trailing last 1/4 of HLF right behind 20 sma
[07:12 am] Ed : getting pullback in SPY
[07:13 am] Mitch K: didnt post LQDT bottom because of low vol but had big move, short started, late post.
[07:29 am] Mitch K: investors dont seem to be scared of the cliff.  surprising
[07:44 am] Mitch K: new daily highs on HLF, looking for $35-36 within a 10 day period
[08:04 am] Ed : SPY nearing hod
[08:27 am] Ed : HLF new hod
[09:24 am] Mitch K: anyone swing trading HLF long or NUS?
[09:30 am] Mitch K: victor, there is still some room left to buy HLF,  nice to get $30-31 area though.  HLF could easily get to $37-39 area
[09:39 am] Mitch K: gee apple, that is way out of the money if you bot the 35calls when stock was 25-26.  and you didnt give yourself much time either.  what was your entry price and what is current price now?
[09:39 am] Mitch K: of the jan 35C
[09:42 am] Mitch K: mike, sell the put naked is high risk at this point, HLF has moved from 25 to $32 already in 4 sessions.  you said the JAN 30 P is $2.20?  thats a pretty good deal for the seller/writer consider this expires Jan 18th and you are likely to see HLF above $30.  so you should get the whole premium without a closing transaction or commission.
[09:43 am] Mitch K: all you need to think about is if HLF will be above or below $30 by the close or in the next 2.5 weeks
[09:44 am] Mitch K: im willing to pay a little extra on the premium for that.
[09:44 am] Mitch K: i thnk that is a pretty good bet.  when i put HLF on the swing list long, i thought the right play then was the Feb 25 call.  i like to be in the money a little bit on that situation, on long side of course
[09:47 am] Mitch K: one of the most important lessons i can teach anyone is evaluating where investors/traders are in the cycle of selling on HLF.  Ackerman trashed it back in late APril when it was $72.  As long as he discloses it under Reg FD (Full Disclosure) he is legal and this is his second time.  when you see a stock drop from $72 to 25, the odds are very high you are going to start seeing some short covering as well as buying long from speculators, both of which is same effect, buying.
[09:48 am] Mitch K: you got to get into the mindset of investors, what are they thinking or reacting too.  The Ackerman news last week got a lot of press, everywhere that i saw.  The news headlines were light and the media jumped on the Ackerman comments, plus he said it in video on CNBC and i think another tv program.
[09:51 am] Mitch K: esp if we get a mini deal from Washington or any deal, just get a deal down and this market moves up
[09:51 am] Mitch K: now my guess with HLF is we get another big up day tomorrow like we are getting today
[09:51 am] Mitch K: and his language was something like “best short setup I’ve ever seen” etc.  you dont try long on first day, you can short it on day one, then we got 2 more big down days, increasing vol for 3 big down days.  the dec 24th comes along for a half day and we got more selling on lower vol with short session.  next day was dec 26th and stock was still shellshocked but trying to move up and thats your cue to start buying
[09:54 am] Mitch K: i dont see much of a dip on HLF or even NUS from here, if there is one, i would think it will be a shallow dip, like to 30.50 or $31 area. all the bad news is out on HLF for the moment, unless some “new news” comes out on it
[09:55 am] Mitch K: the other challenge we have is our personal attention span with a swing trade when we are getting bombarded with day trading ideas.  gets real hard to switch mindset between a swing and a day trade
[09:55 am] Mitch K: i agree mike, at this point, that is best strategy if you trade options.
[09:57 am] Mitch K: i have an idea you might start playing around with if you are using Lightning.  regarding the stops on swing trades, try setting up a 30 min or even a 60 min chart for the stock you are swing trading and use a sell signal on that 60 min chart for your stop.
[09:58 am] Mitch K: and keep that chart in same place on your monitors for the 2 weeks you might hold a swing trade so all you do is glance at that chart.
[10:00 am] Mitch K: another point about the trading action on this HLF is stocks usually “breath” and just move around naturally as the balance between buyers and sellers shift.  It often doesnt mean anything that  a stock like HLF that has come up from $25 to 32 pulls back 75 cents or $1.00.  of course you need to track the overall market but the market is bullish right now
[10:02 am] Mitch K: i would play around with a 30 or 60 min chart to monitor a sell signal for HLF as your swing trade long.  you are getting an earlier signal than using a daily setting on Lightning chart.  its what we call multiple time intervals, or at least thats what i call it
[10:03 am] Mitch K: fyi, for some people, you might wonder why we have to do these extra things like i just described on different charts.  my answer to that is this is a business, this is about maximizing profit and minimizing loss.  the extra effort it takes to do something like this is worth it
[10:06 am] Mitch K: last thought about that is this is far more profitable than most any other activity so if you are feeling bored or discouraged about trading think this thought……..
[10:09 am] Mitch K: it takes a journey plumber or electrician 5 years before he can call himself a plumber or electrician and then he or she has a chance to get to a certain wage level.  In this economic environment, new journeymen is not what is being picked up as high demand right now.  there is still years of experience to gain in that or any field.  What would you rather do, spend 2 years diligently studying how to make money in financial markets or spend 5 years getting to journeyman status and try to get a job.  and then what is potential payoff with each.
[10:11 am] Mitch K: no offense to journeyman plumbers or electricians but i think the word picture is what im getting at.  Ask electrader, he ran crews of journeyman electricians, am i right or right Keith?
[10:35 am] Ed : all waiting on Obama to speak
[10:45 am] Ed : Obama speaking
[10:47 am] Ed : should get some volatility
[11:48 am] Ed : SPY nearing hod
[11:59 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[12:12 pm] Ed : nice drop in SPY and bounce in VXX
[12:26 pm] Ed : Reid has not agreed to current deal
[12:50 pm] Mitch K: 14:58 EDT   theflyonthewall.com: Sen. McConnell says ‘We’re very close to an agreement’
[12:55 pm] Ed : HLF new hod
[12:55 pm] Ed : SPY hit new hod
[12:57 pm] Ed : Happy New year to all, and please be safe

[06:15 am] jolliffboy  : mikewd2 and I had the same problems. This year will be different for sure.
[06:15 am] mikewd2 -: Successful  traders actually may have more losers than winners. But losers will be minimal loss in $, winners will be $$
[06:19 am] skydiver  : good morning all — good info Mike – thnx
[06:20 am] qwert  : Good morning to everybody
[06:21 am] skydiver  : gm qwert
[06:21 am] qwert  : gm sky
[06:21 am] taco  : i have some q’s about your set ups and odds preferences joey, ed and qwert. maybe we could look at how you guys view set ups if the day gets quiet.
[06:22 am] qwert  : cant believe its already the end of the year
[06:22 am] scalpman  : GM all
[06:23 am] skydiver  : yeah qwert — 2012 flew by fast – gm scalp
[06:24 am] joeytsa  : taco: for me, when the day gets quiet i usually do also
[06:24 am] joeytsa  : agree sky, this year went by really fast
[06:25 am] skydiver  : yes joey – about as fast as your horse can run !!  🙂
[06:25 am] joeytsa  : she’s back in training
[06:25 am] skydiver  : great
[06:27 am] joeytsa  : taco: otherwise, i still look for same setups, but if its quiet/low vol, then i do other things…read,or you can adjust your swing trades…does that answer your question?
[06:27 am] joeytsa  : i also wait to hear a signal from lightning now, so i dont have to keep watching those charts
[06:28 am] reshef  : G.morning
[06:28 am] skydiver  : gm reshef
[06:28 am] elisha  : Good Morning Mitch, Ed and everybody else
[06:28 am] mikewd2 -: watching HLF for breakout above 30.35 area
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : thx mike
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : /GC,PL,NG all had nice down moves earlier this morning
[06:29 am] lisas  : gm all
[06:30 am] taco  : yes joey, i’m open to input when i post my entries and will ask re different setups, thanks
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[06:30 am] joeytsa  : sounds good
[06:30 am] skydiver  : gm elisha
[06:30 am] elisha  : gm skydiver
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : watching QCOR
[06:31 am] mikewd2 -: NUS
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : also MGLN
[06:31 am] skydiver  : apple shot up nice
[06:33 am] shark  : hitting Fri res high – AAPL
[06:33 am] joeytsa  : watching CLF
[06:34 am] skydiver  : QIHU – made a deal with Google which starts up shortly
[06:34 am] joeytsa  : thx sky
[06:34 am] skydiver  : 🙂
[06:34 am] joeytsa  : /ES contracts moving a bit slow at the moment
[06:35 am] joeytsa  : WPI
[06:35 am] skydiver  : thnx Ed
[06:37 am] taco  : CLF better..
[06:38 am] skydiver  : AAPL at the getting close to 517 area
[06:38 am] skydiver  : good english on my part
[06:38 am] joeytsa  : thanks yoda  haha
[06:38 am] skydiver  : 🙂
[06:39 am] skydiver  : out 1/2 AAPL long
[06:39 am] joeytsa  : tighten CLF if long
[06:39 am] skydiver  : out another 1/4 AAPL long
[06:39 am] mikewd2 -: QIHU having trouble with 28.50
[06:40 am] Ed : nice call joey on MGLN
[06:40 am] joeytsa  : 🙂
[06:40 am] skydiver  : all out of AAPL long
[06:40 am] joeytsa  : /ES to test 1400?
[06:42 am] shark  : long USD/JPY continues nicely
[06:43 am] Ed : nice play sky
[06:43 am] joeytsa  : nice shark, never traded that
[06:43 am] skydiver  : thnx Ed
[06:43 am] skydiver  : made my day already on that one 🙂
[06:43 am] joeytsa  : way to go sky
[06:43 am] skydiver  : 🙂
[06:44 am] shark  : watching KORS, nice run so far
[06:44 am] skydiver  : yes shark – watching KORS as well
[06:44 am] shark  : 😉
[06:45 am] Ed : that was nice breakout sky on usd/jpy
[06:45 am] shark  : bounced off 200day, on Thu.
[06:46 am] joeytsa  : tighten MGLN, into $50
[06:47 am] mikewd2 -: CLF
[06:48 am] shawn  : ed is wynn a short?
[06:49 am] shark  : AAPL broke the downtrend line on daily
[06:49 am] shark  : holding right above it, now
[06:53 am] joeytsa  : NFLX on a nice move since open
[06:54 am] shark  : QIHU topped
[06:56 am] mikewd2 -: no short shares on QIHU at TS
[06:57 am] shark  : AAPL strong
[06:57 am] joeytsa  : yeah shark, on fire
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : /GC testing pp
[07:03 am] mikewd2 -: agq
[07:03 am] mikewd2 -: sorry wrong window
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : my 7:01 post is wrong, thats /PL not GC
[07:05 am] mikewd2 -: CRUS toppy
[07:07 am] joeytsa  : /CL making higher lows
[07:14 am] joeytsa  : AMZN hod
[07:16 am] jsn13  : anyone is short CL?
[07:17 am] jsn13  : i mean /CL…
[07:21 am] joeytsa  : i didnt jsn
[07:22 am] jsn13  : how many contract do u trade normally joey?
[07:22 am] taco  : s HLF 30.95
[07:23 am] joeytsa  : on /CL, no more than 5 usually
[07:23 am] jsn13  : ok thanks joey…
[07:24 am] joeytsa  : has higher margin rate, and also gives me room to either add or trade another future
[07:26 am] jsn13  : how much margin does ur broker need for 1 contract of /CL?
[07:26 am] joeytsa  : $2000
[07:27 am] joeytsa  : but i like to have some wiggle room
[07:27 am] jsn13  : ok i see….2k is not too high….
[07:27 am] joeytsa  : easy to overextend and get into trouble
[07:28 am] taco  : closing HLF
[07:28 am] joeytsa  : no, but /ES,YM ,6J,6A,6E are all $500
[07:29 am] jsn13  : haha exactly….must really control the risk…how bout /GC and /PL?
[07:29 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL having difficulties closing candle over 525.
[07:29 am] joeytsa  : GC,PL both $1000 , SI is $6480
[07:29 am] shark  : VIX going down
[07:29 am] mikewd2 -: wow – VIX down 7.8%
[07:30 am] jsn13  : thanks alot joey for the info….will start investing more time into futures…
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : safe way for /ES would be to have $5000 for each contract you trade
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : $3500 bare minimum
[07:31 am] go4it  : Think fiscal cliff is like Mayan armegedon
[07:31 am] shark  : or Y2K
[07:32 am] joeytsa  : AAPL trying to break cup
[07:32 am] joeytsa  : or romo leading the cowboys to the superbowl 🙂
[07:32 am] shark  : haha
[07:32 am] go4it  : lol Joey
[07:33 am] joeytsa  : 🙂
[07:34 am] go4it  : aapl
[07:34 am] joeytsa  : dems might raise level to $400k for tax
[07:35 am] go4it  : wrong keyboard soory
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : will watch NFLX for a break over $92
[07:37 am] go4it  : nflx
[07:37 am] go4it  : wrong keyboard again
[07:38 am] joeytsa  : bruce hitting the bottle early today
[07:38 am] go4it  : lol little hung over Joey
[07:38 am] joeytsa  : you wont make it to the new year at this rate haha
[07:39 am] mikewd2 -: HLF still battling for 31.00
[07:39 am] go4it  : my hangover will be gone by then
[07:39 am] joeytsa  : should test it again mike
[07:41 am] apple  : good morning to all alert traders
[07:42 am] go4it  : lol
[07:42 am] go4it  : did you get snow Apple
[07:43 am] skydiver  : gm apple
[07:44 am] apple  : no snow really, light flurries
[07:44 am] apple  : gm sky
[07:44 am] apple  : gm go
[07:44 am] joeytsa  : break time, make some money 🙂
[07:44 am] apple  : gm mike
[07:44 am] joeytsa  : hi apple
[07:44 am] apple  : gm joey – have fun
[07:44 am] apple  : gm shark
[07:44 am] skydiver  : enjoy the old break joey
[07:45 am] apple  : gm taco
[07:45 am] apple  : tm jsn
[07:45 am] shark  : hi apple!
[07:45 am] apple  : nice move on LQDT
[07:47 am] taco  : hi apple
[07:48 am] elisha  : thanks Mitch for including swing trade posts
[07:48 am] apple  : gm elisha
[07:48 am] taco  : hey elisha, i posted your gratitude link on my facebook, really like it
[07:49 am] elisha  : gm apple
[07:49 am] elisha  : taco – glad you like it
[07:49 am] elisha  : i have found gratitude to be a life changer for me
[07:50 am] cowboyh  : GM Apple
[07:50 am] apple  : it certainly is, elisha.  could you send me the link?
[07:50 am] apple  : gm cowboy, how are you
[07:51 am] elisha  : for instance  – i’m really grateful for this room and all you guys .  you share and answer questions
[07:52 am] elisha  : apple – i’ve gotta locate it but will post it again
[07:52 am] apple  : it’s all the parts together that make it great
[07:52 am] apple  : thx
[07:52 am] elisha  : the whole is greater than the sum of the parts
[07:52 am] aussie123  : anyone know what time the market closes today?
[07:52 am] apple  : 4 pm aussie
[07:52 am] taco  : hey happy birthday!
[07:53 am] aussie123  : thanks taco
[07:53 am] apple  : yes, happy birthday and many, many more…
[07:53 am] cowboyh  : great apple did u have a good xmas
[07:53 am] elisha  : thats right – happy 80th birthday aussie
[07:53 am] apple  : everyone celebrates with you…
[07:54 am] skydiver  : happy birthday aussie and many more to come 🙂
[07:54 am] apple  : yes, cowboy but we still have homework…
[07:54 am] mikewd2 -: NUS chart similar to HLF
[07:54 am] jsn13  : sorry joey, for ES and YM, the required margin is 500 or 5,000?
[07:54 am] aussie123  : Gee whiz thanks again…dont feel a day aver 79
[07:55 am] apple  : haha, best of everything, especially good health
[07:55 am] elisha  : https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=p layer_embedded&v=nj2ofrX7jAk
[07:5 5 am] elisha  : i hope that is it!
[07:57 am] elisha  : and no Taco – that isn’t me at the start of it
[07:57 am] elisha  : !
[07:57 am] taco  : lol
[07:58 am] apple  : yes, that’s it, thx.
[07:58 am] mikewd2 -: GMCR
[07:59 am] apple  : nice move off bottom on GMCR
[08:01 am] mikewd2 -: CRTX
[08:01 am] mikewd2 -: CTRX sorry
[08:05 am] mikekw  : should i be hear audio from Mitch speaking or is the chat just typed?
[08:06 am] taco  : just typed mike welcome
[08:06 am] mikekw  : thanks
[08:13 am] skydiver  : my time is up . . . Happy and a Blessed New Year to all — looking forward to the future — see you all next year 🙂
[08:13 am] taco  : c ya sky, be safe
[08:13 am] jsn13  : taco, what is ur facebook name? Can i add u on fb?
[08:14 am] taco  : sure
[08:14 am] taco  : [email protected]
[08:14 am] taco  : that’ll find me
[08:14 am] apple  : all the best in the new year, sky
[08:15 am] skydiver  : 🙂
[08:16 am] jsn13  : ok taco i just added u on fb….
[08:16 am] taco  : nice car:)
[08:16 am] jsn13  : i rented it…so not mine…
[08:18 am] shark  : just like we rent our stocks?
[08:18 am] apple  : right shark, use em and lose em
[08:19 am] shark  : 😉
[08:19 am] shark  : yeah, I’m done with AAPL for now
[08:19 am] shark  : 30 min rental
[08:19 am] apple  : me too
[08:19 am] taco  : i’d like to see aapl touch 517 again or around it
[08:24 am] jsn13  : nice rental shark….this kind of rental can earn u money istead of costing u….i like this…
[08:25 am] elisha  : bye sky – just saw your exit
[08:25 am] shark  : 😉
[08:25 am] apple  : why buy when you can rent?
[08:26 am] mikewd2 -: Biden, McConnell closing in on tax deal, Politico says
[08:26 am] Ed : why rent when u can take, o sorry was thinking of govt.
[08:26 am] apple  : lol E, gm
[08:26 am] Ed : gm
[08:27 am] shark  : they are in the business of selling votes, Ed.
[08:27 am] elisha  : you know the old joke – don’t steal, the government hates competition
[08:27 am] Ed : true
[08:27 am] joeytsa  : jsn: you still here?
[08:27 am] Ed : good eye this am alos mike on HLF
[08:28 am] shark  : agreed, HLF
[08:28 am] jsn13  : yup im here joey…
[08:28 am] joeytsa  : /ES is $500, but i dont recommend using that..maybe start with $5000/contract
[08:29 am] jsn13  : what do u mean by start with 5000 per contract?
[08:30 am] joeytsa  : trade 1 contract for every $5000 in your account
[08:30 am] joeytsa  : just gives you room to make mistakes 🙂
[08:31 am] joeytsa  : once you get experiences/comfortable, then  you can lower it
[08:31 am] jsn13  : ok understand thanks joey…i like to start by looking at the amount that u r willing to lose if got stopped on each trade to decide on the position size…
[08:32 am] taco  : what’s ratio  of r/r for going long apple at 522?
[08:32 am] taco  : when it hit there a few mins ago
[08:32 am] joeytsa  : makes sense jsn
[08:33 am] joeytsa  : taco: just sent you a friend request on facebook
[08:33 am] jsn13  : taco, maybe 524.5 as potential target?
[08:34 am] taco  : nice thanks joey
[08:34 am] joeytsa  : my pic is of willy wonka today 🙂
[08:35 am] go4it  : How do you determine stop on a swing trade like HLF?
[08:36 am] elisha  : does it go under the current days low or the day before’s low?
[08:38 am] Ed : some use different methods, on original position I placed stop below the low by few cents I took some profit cuz it had nice move then on rest using few cents below low pf prev. day for stop, Keep in mind Im far in money also
[08:38 am] taco  : did you go long on second bounce off 522.5 Ed?
[08:39 am] Ed : i was speaking of HLF swing trade
[08:39 am] go4it  : Thanks Ed
[08:39 am] Ed : no was waiting for AAPL and missed the train taco
[08:39 am] taco  : that’s higher odd right?
[08:39 am] elisha  : Thanks, Steady Eddy, for answering countless and relentless questions
[08:40 am] Ed : I looked for best price as possible on  12/26 and place stop below low of 12/24
[08:40 am] Ed : I added to position on higher low on 12/27 after getting confirmation of trend change
[08:40 am] jsn13  : what price were u waiting for Ed on AAPL long just now?
[08:41 am] Ed : then took profits on  friday 12/28
[08:41 am] Ed : no particular price was looking at pattern
[08:41 am] Ed : prev. comments are on HLF swing
[08:42 am] Ed : Mith is the swingger of all swinggers, speaking in terms of investing
[08:42 am] taco  : haha
[08:43 am] apple  : haha
[08:43 am] Ed : have to be specific dont want anyone to get wrong idea
[08:43 am] joeytsa  : haha
[08:43 am] joeytsa  : new name is Mitch Swing?
[08:43 am] Ed : sounds good to me
[08:43 am] jsn13  : Ed, so did u add to ur HLF swing during the day on 12/27? how do u be sure of the higher low before the bar closed?
[08:43 am] joeytsa  : better than Mitch Shawing 🙂
[08:44 am] Ed : if stock does not take out prev days low, lets u know trend up is still intact
[08:44 am] Ed : makes sense
[08:45 am] Ed : and viusally one can see it, atleast I can
[08:45 am] jsn13  : yup thanks ed….then what price did u take profit on HLF swing on friday?
[08:45 am] go4it  : So Joey at this point with stock trading 31.37 and target of 35 that would be a r/r of 3:1 is that correct?
[08:46 am] Ed : it was in 30s cant recall exactly
[08:46 am] Ed : Its in my swing acct, which is different from trading acct
[08:46 am] joeytsa  : bruce: where is the stop set?
[08:47 am] jsn13  : ok no prob ed….i can see ur rationales….do u use 15min chart for ur swing entries?
[08:47 am] go4it  : 29.78
[08:47 am] Ed : actually I started getting excited and when that happens I know its time to take some off
[08:47 am] Ed : i dont like when emotions creep in, messes with my head
[08:47 am] joeytsa  : pretty close bruce
[08:48 am] jsn13  : haha agree…need to have that contrarian mindset….if not greed can kick in…
[08:48 am] Ed : can happen to any of us
[08:48 am] joeytsa  : risking approx $1.60 to make $3.60
[08:48 am] go4it  : that’s what i thought . just wanted to confirm with king of r/r thanks
[08:49 am] joeytsa  : closer to 2:1,  i wouldnt go any lower than that
[08:49 am] go4it  : gotya tks J
[08:50 am] joeytsa  : thats a swing trade bruce?
[08:50 am] jsn13  : ed, did u take 1/2 or 3/4 off on HLF swing?
[08:51 am] go4it  : yes
[08:51 am] joeytsa  : gotya, then you can adjust your share amount to fit in with your risk level
[08:52 am] go4it  : yes small position
[08:56 am] joeytsa  : black monday hitting nfl coaches hard today
[08:56 am] go4it  : heads rolling?
[08:57 am] joeytsa  : yeah lots
[08:57 am] Ed : took off 3/4
[08:57 am] taco  : feels like i’m going thru puberty and can’t wait to be able to hang with my older brothers and sisters at the proficiency bar
[08:58 am] jsn13  : ok thanks ed……nice….will ask questions only after ur lunch….haha…
[08:58 am] joeytsa  : watching /ES range 1399-1402
[08:58 am] Ed : hey jsn, does ur professor give you his check after class???
[08:59 am] jsn13  : haha no….
[09:00 am] qwert  : NFLX testing 92
[09:00 am] joeytsa  : been watching $92 for 2 hours haha
[09:01 am] qwert  : my alert just went off hahaha
[09:01 am] joeytsa  : would think a nice quick move could happen
[09:01 am] joeytsa  : markets seem kind of quiet though
[09:01 am] mikewd2 -: finally took 30 cents on HLF, been watching all morning
[09:04 am] joeytsa  : nice mike
[09:04 am] qwert  : curious to see what happens when a cliff deal is announced
[09:05 am] joeytsa  : probably happen when i am away from teh computer
[09:05 am] joeytsa  : going to leave early today, take wife to see Les Mis early so i can come home and watch the games tonight 🙂
[09:06 am] mikewd2 -: nice joey, have fun
[09:06 am] qwert  : saw Les Mis over the holiday  was good
[09:06 am] joeytsa  : not leaving just yet..show is at 11:30
[09:06 am] joeytsa  : heard great things about it
[09:06 am] qwert  : also saw Django was very good and less singing  :))
[09:07 am] shark  : the movie or the play, joey?
[09:07 am] joeytsa  : movie
[09:07 am] qwert  : by the way Congrats to the Redskin fans
[09:08 am] joeytsa  : 🙂
[09:08 am] lisas  : Hail
[09:08 am] joeytsa  : my throat is still sore from yelling
[09:09 am] qwert  : hahaha  new you were a fan
[09:09 am] joeytsa  : since 1971
[09:09 am] qwert  : wow thats pre hogs right?
[09:10 am] joeytsa  : yeah, goes back to the “over the hill gang” era
[09:10 am] qwert  : cool ive been a Charger fan since early 80’s
[09:11 am] joeytsa  : sorry, norv is terrible, should be fired by the end of the day
[09:11 am] qwert  : yeah i hope so
[09:13 am] qwert  : Qihu finally below 28.70
[09:14 am] joeytsa  : are you short QIHU?
[09:14 am] qwert  : yeah still have some from earlier
[09:14 am] joeytsa  : nice
[09:15 am] jsn13  : qwert, around what time was ur entry on QIHU short?
[09:15 am] mikewd2 -: DECK still moving up
[09:15 am] shark  : yeah, nice move
[09:15 am] qwert  : around 7:30pst
[09:16 am] joeytsa  : cant remember the last time i held a stock that long haha
[09:16 am] jsn13  : qwert, do u use divergence as ur signal?
[09:17 am] go4it  : NFLX making another run at 92
[09:17 am] shark  : run, NFLX, run
[09:17 am] qwert  : same here only reason i still have it is hadnt bumped down my stop when i normally would have
[09:18 am] jsn13  : qwert, the reason u went short was bcos of the divergence or a failed breakout?
[09:19 am] qwert  : jsn i liked the low risk entry and it went up 60 cents in four mins and high volume
[09:21 am] jsn13  : ok those parabolic move….nice trade qwert….
[09:21 am] qwert  : thx still in
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : nice qwert, i wouldnt have shorted that
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : shows that every trader sees things differently
[09:23 am] joeytsa  : /GC just gave sell signal, still looks like it has some upside though
[09:23 am] joeytsa  : nice 5pt run though
[09:24 am] taco  : yes HLF and MED
[09:24 am] qwert  : joey nflx at 92
[09:24 am] joeytsa  : yep
[09:25 am] joeytsa  : would like to see a push thru, then re-test
[09:25 am] qwert  : was thinking the same thing its really struggling
[09:26 am] victor51  : Mitch, I took MED on swing. Missed HLF
[09:26 am] apple  : hey victor
[09:29 am] victor51  : Hi Apple, you must be enjoying fresh snow there
[09:30 am] apple  : no snow… which i am grateful for
[09:31 am] apple  : thx MK, i got a jan 35 call earlier on HLF
[09:31 am] victor51  : Thanks Mitch. Great call .Just need to capitalize on your great ideas in 2013, starting today.
[09:37 am] joeytsa  : qwert: NFLX sure doesnt want $92 just yet
[09:37 am] joeytsa  : /GC still have 3pts upside
[09:39 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch, what you think about selling put, jan 19 – 30 is 2.20
[09:39 am] mikewd2 -: re: HLF
[09:40 am] apple  : no, no, got it this morning.  entry is 1.40 price now is 1.70
[09:40 am] joeytsa  : tighten if long /ES on that breakthru of 1402
[09:41 am] reshef  : TBT
[09:41 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL moving again
[09:42 am] joeytsa  : nice 5-6pt move on/ES
[09:43 am] taco  : were you in that joey?
[09:43 am] mikewd2 -: right, that is the put i’m considering writing
[09:43 am] apple  : /ES at hod
[09:44 am] mikewd2 -: execellent call Mitch
[09:45 am] joeytsa  : itm calls are less risk
[09:45 am] joeytsa  : for swings
[09:46 am] mikewd2 -: main risk is ackman opening his mouth again on HLF
[09:46 am] joeytsa  : no kidding
[09:47 am] mikewd2 -: out AAPL call
[09:47 am] apple  : nice mike
[09:48 am] apple  : thx MK
[09:48 am] mikewd2 -: markets busting out, thinking deal is coming from Obama
[09:48 am] qwert  : monitoring SLW
[09:48 am] mikewd2 -: AGQ moving
[09:49 am] mikewd2 -: HLF new hod
[09:51 am] joeytsa  : huge move on /GC also
[09:51 am] mikewd2 -: Obama to make statement on fiscal cliff talks at 1:30 pm ET, Bloomberg says
[09:52 am] apple  : thx mike
[09:52 am] mikewd2 -: gold spiking up  – up 22.8
[09:54 am] mikewd2 -: I think the naked put is a good way to play it mitch
[09:55 am] taco  : s SLW 35.88
[09:55 am] mikewd2 -: dang missed exiting AGQ long
[09:55 am] mikewd2 -: got greedy
[09:55 am] mikewd2 -: silver, gold could fall back on a deal
[09:56 am] mikewd2 -: My main issue is how to handle stops on swings
[09:56 am] mikewd2 -: do you do stops that are active during premarket
[09:57 am] mikewd2 -: suggestion Mitch?
[09:57 am] mikewd2 -: but do you have the stop’s active during premarkets/aftermarkets?
[09:58 am] lisas  : Mike, stops after hours have to be limit orders, hard to do. Also, liquidity leads to crazy moves after hours sometimes
[09:59 am] apple  : hey lisa
[09:59 am] lisas  : then by open it settles down
[09:59 am] lisas  : Hi apple
[09:59 am] lisas  : got last of family off to the airport today
[09:59 am] mikewd2 -: right, I don’t like stops after hours but wanted to here Mitch’s take on it
[10:00 am] mikewd2 -: added to AGC postiion off 43.75 pivot
[10:00 am] lisas  : would be interestingt to hear, think he’s on a roll on another thought chain
[10:00 am] mikewd2 -: sorry AGQ
[10:02 am] lisas  : Thanks for the tip Mitch
[10:02 am] taco  : thanks Mitch
[10:03 am] qwert  : NOW
[10:03 am] apple  : thx MK, makes sense
[10:09 am] taco  : Mitch, for ninja, how do you update stock symbols? the list changes throughout the year.?
[10:09 am] reshef  : BC
[10:09 am] joeytsa  : good lesson Mitch
[10:10 am] qwert  : if anyone else shorted NOW would cover some here
[10:10 am] mikewd2 -: haha: CNBC says Obama appearance at 1:30 may not be for deal announcement
[10:10 am] taco  : i missed NOW because it wasn’t in my list
[10:11 am] joeytsa  : both /GC and /ES gave nice pullbacks also
[10:12 am] apple  : what?  just to wish us happy new year?
[10:12 am] joeytsa  : last /GC pullback was a dbl top with neg div
[10:12 am] qwert  : lol apple
[10:12 am] mikewd2 -: out AAPL calls, for third time today
[10:12 am] qwert  : nice mike
[10:12 am] apple  : good one mike
[10:13 am] joeytsa  : nice mike
[10:13 am] elisha  : wow mike
[10:13 am] mikewd2 -: playing 5 calls on sell off’s
[10:14 am] mikewd2 -: FSLR
[10:14 am] apple  : good for you
[10:14 am] mikewd2 -: no short shares FSLR at TS, bouncing off pivot
[10:15 am] elisha  : I’ll agree with you Mitch.  As a former buyer turned temporary waitress I can say whatever it takes to succeed at this is better than that!
[10:15 am] qwert  : they have them a tlightspeed  FSLR
[10:17 am] taco  : IB too
[10:17 am] mikewd2 -: might not be much money in that short
[10:18 am] elisha  : lightning just gave sell signal on 1 minute
[10:18 am] elisha  : on FSLR
[10:19 am] joeytsa  : thanks Mitch,Ed,everyone..taking off early
[10:19 am] Ed : c ya joey
[10:19 am] joeytsa  : Have a Happy and Safe New Years Eve..see you all on wednesday
[10:19 am] elisha  : bye joey – enjoy les miz
[10:19 am] mikewd2 -: hugh vol spke on FSLR
[10:19 am] qwert  : Have a Happy New Year joey
[10:20 am] taco  : c ya joey
[10:20 am] mikewd2 -: bye joey
[10:20 am] go4it  : happy new year Joey enjoy the show
[10:20 am] lisas  : by joey joey! Have a great New Years! HTTRS!
[10:20 am] joeytsa  : HTTR !!!!
[10:20 am] apple  : bye joey, have a wonderful new year
[10:20 am] joeytsa  : 🙂
[10:21 am] joeytsa  : thats Hail to the Redskins..not a stock symbol 🙂
[10:21 am] lisas  : OOPs!
[10:21 am] apple  : haha, just figured that out a few seconds ago
[10:21 am] apple  : i am getting pretty good
[10:21 am] elisha  : what? I just 10000 shares
[10:21 am] lisas  : good, not a real symbol
[10:21 am] mikewd2 -: HLF still motoring up
[10:21 am] qwert  : hahahha
[10:21 am] lisas  : it’s a winner elisha
[10:21 am] taco  : haha
[10:22 am] elisha  : finally lisas
[10:22 am] mikewd2 -: already up 10% on naked puts
[10:22 am] taco  : nice mike
[10:22 am] elisha  : when are you writing your book mike?
[10:22 am] mikewd2 -: becareful: Obama fixing to talk
[10:22 am] lisas  : or at least post of facebook Mike
[10:22 am] elisha  : lol
[10:22 am] mikewd2 -: AGQ falling
[10:23 am] mikewd2 -: as expected
[10:25 am] mikewd2 -: watching RIG
[10:25 am] mikewd2 -: for breakout
[10:25 am] mikewd2 -: not reversal
[10:31 am] mikewd2 -: C moving
[10:38 am] mikewd2 -: watching SPW at 70.00
[10:42 am] mikewd2 -: Obama’s posse taking the stage,
[10:42 am] qwert  : cant do anything without the posse  🙂
[10:43 am] mikewd2 -: haha
[10:44 am] mikewd2 -: Obama on stage
[10:45 am] elisha  : Have to leave early myself. I wish for you all next year exciting days and peaceful sleep at night.
[10:45 am] elisha  : Lots of people in your life to love and who love you.
[10:46 am] elisha  : Hope and harmony and happiness
[10:46 am] elisha  : Happy New Year to all and God bless you
[10:46 am] apple  : same to you elisha all the best
[10:47 am] elisha  : thx apple
[10:47 am] qwert  : bye Elisha have a Happy New Year
[10:47 am] Ed : c ya elisha
[10:47 am] taco  : bye elisha, happy new year
[10:54 am] mikewd2 -: ahh, he has to work new years eve
[10:54 am] mikewd2 -: and cut his vacation in hawaii short – dang he should quit!
[10:54 am] mikewd2 -: back in AAPL call
[10:55 am] taco  : HLF trend change
[10:56 am] mikewd2 -: longs are good as long it stays above 32.30 taco, IMO
[11:10 am] jsn13  : Ed, what does the divergence in momentum means? do u use them as hints of potential reversal?
[11:13 am] electrader  : Sorry for the delay, Mitch. I was at lunch.Yes you are correct .
[11:14 am] electrader  : At that point you would still have to prove yourself as a journeyman to get a select job.  Probably a good 7-8 year process in total
[11:17 am] mikewd2 -: BPT trying to break its daily downtrend
[11:19 am] reshef  : WBC
[11:20 am] mikewd2 -: nice one reshef
[11:23 am] mikewd2 -: HLF bouncing
[11:25 am] mikewd2 -: out AAPL calls, like these 4 – 5 point moves
[11:25 am] qwert  : mike which ones are you trading
[11:26 am] mikewd2 -: weekly 520
[11:27 am] qwert  : nice
[11:28 am] qwert  : so are you getting about .70 cents for each dollar
[11:28 am] reshef  : DUST
[11:29 am] mikewd2 -: yep, very close to that
[11:30 am] qwert  : nice
[11:30 am] qwert  : thats the Delta in options right?
[11:30 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL broke 530.00
[11:33 am] mikewd2 -: watching CBI
[11:42 am] mikewd2 -: time to get ready to celebrate new year – by guys be safe!
[11:42 am] taco  : c ya mike, you too
[11:45 am] victor51  : Hi Mike,
[11:45 am] victor51  : Are you looking long for CBI?
[11:47 am] taco  : s AAPL sim 530.99
[11:49 am] Ed : dont use that much if at all jsn
[11:49 am] Ed : I think some others may
[11:49 am] jsn13  : ok thanks ed…..nice to know….
[11:50 am] taco  : stopped
[11:50 am] Ed : I do know best not to use by itself,
[11:51 am] jsn13  : yes u need other component to add to the analysis…
[11:52 am] jsn13  : ed, do u have any futures trades today?
[11:52 am] Ed : Mr. taco u went countertrend??
[11:52 am] Ed : no trades today, will get back at it next week with futures
[11:53 am] taco  : i was hoping it was changing the trend then
[11:53 am] jsn13  : ok ed….no prob….
[11:53 am] Ed : hey taco, on AAPL, its a tough one, best to trade the trend on that one, its like wild horse
[11:54 am] Ed : just giving myself little break on futures
[11:54 am] jsn13  : taco, AAPL actually broke hod by 1 cent when u entered…and not too clear of a resistance level….
[11:54 am] taco  : thanks Ed and jsn
[11:55 am] jsn13  : Ed, u r making too much money? or lost too much?
[11:55 am] Ed : neither
[11:56 am] jsn13  : ok nice…u just need a mental break then…
[11:56 am] Ed : since I dont take long breaks like weaks at a time, I tend to pullback on trading of some instruments, thats my break
[11:56 am] Ed : weaks=weeks
[11:57 am] reshef  : LVS
[11:59 am] apple  : thx reshef
[12:00 pm] taco  : better resistance to short aapl here
[12:00 pm] Ed : i would pick on a weak stock, they can really ramp AAPL and resistance becomes like butter
[12:04 pm] taco  : odds improve over my last idea, even if is not best set up.
[12:04 pm] cowboyh  : By all be safe tonight and have a good time see ya wed am
[12:05 pm] apple  : happy new year to you cowboy – all the best 2013
[12:05 pm] Ed : c ya cowboy
[12:05 pm] taco  : i’m picking a lot up over last few trading sessions thanks all
[12:05 pm] taco  : bye cowboy
[12:06 pm] Ed : understood, but makes life tad easier hitting those high % trades, just saying
[12:06 pm] taco  : right ed
[12:07 pm] Ed : Its alright going counter, but just know that u want to treat it as scalp, another strategy take more precision
[12:08 pm] Ed : If u dont hit those counters correctly can where u out and down as far as account
[12:08 pm] jsn13  : 21 SMA is very helpful for this type of counter trend quick scalps….
[12:09 pm] Ed : Looking for double tops, higher lows etc, will help, making sure trend has changed, this more conservative play for countertrends
[12:09 pm] Ed : rather lower high
[12:09 pm] taco  : right
[12:12 pm] jsn13  : ed, what time was ur entry on VXX?
[12:13 pm] Ed : 3:03 est
[12:14 pm] jsn13  : may i know ur 1st exit point if u have exited…thanks…
[12:16 pm] Ed : 3:12 out 100%
[12:17 pm] taco  : nice trade ed
[12:17 pm] jsn13  : ok thanks ed….
[12:18 pm] Ed : thx
[12:18 pm] apple  : E is great
[12:19 pm] taco  : you’re pretty great too apple
[12:20 pm] taco  : from first impressions anyways;)
[12:20 pm] qwert  : Good bye everybody  have a great New Year  cya all next year  be safe tonight
[12:20 pm] taco  : thx qwert u 2
[12:21 pm] qwert  : You guys are the best
[12:21 pm] apple  : qwert wishing you and your family all the best in 2013
[12:21 pm] qwert  : I love this room  :))
[12:21 pm] apple  : thx taco — back at ya!
[12:21 pm] apple  : we are all great!
[12:24 pm] taco  : nice pullback in NUS
[12:25 pm] Ed : after today, I will not be here until next year
[12:25 pm] lisas  : such a long time?
[12:26 pm] taco  : oh no
[12:26 pm] apple  : haha, we will see you then!
[12:26 pm] Ed : is that like 2 days
[12:26 pm] Ed : thats a long time
[12:26 pm] apple  : seems like forever…
[12:35 pm] reshef  : DAR
[12:38 pm] apple  : i just wanted to take this moment to wish everyone the very best in 2013. — health, wealth and happiness.  we have such a great group here.
[12:38 pm] Ed : i like “dem apples”   🙂
[12:38 pm] apple  : lol
[12:41 pm] victor51  : I echo same Apple . We got a great trading family and Mitch and Ed is always there when we need guidence..
[12:42 pm] apple  : and we all help one another… best family!
[12:48 pm] reshef  : Happy new year Mitch, Ed, and all tradeds
[12:48 pm] Ed : thank you and same to you as well reshef
[12:49 pm] taco  : it’s already 2013 there isn’t it reshef?
[12:49 pm] apple  : happy new year reshef, wishing you the very best in 2013
[12:57 pm] apple  : you too, E – wishing you all the best in 2013 and beyond!
[12:57 pm] lisas  : Happy New Years to all as well. Thanks to everyone!
[12:59 pm] apple  : wishing you the best, lisa, always
[12:59 pm] taco  : thank you Mitch, Ed and all have a safe and fun night
[01:00 pm] apple  : you as well, taco – all the best in 2013

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