Chat Highlights From 12/30/2011

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[06:18 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:19 am] Ed : good morning
[06:22 am] Brent : good morning
[06:22 am] Mitch K: i will follow the indicators, i will follow the indicators .......[06:30 am] Kris : PFE long half
[06:31 am] Kris : CVX long half
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching ELN for bottom; be patient
[06:33 am] Kris : CSTR long half
[06:34 am] Kris : will watch GMCR for a pullback to take long
[06:34 am] Mitch K: consider selling half of ELN if long
[06:35 am] Kris : watching RIMM for a short
[06:35 am] Mitch K: sorry forgot to mention MJN bounce, late now
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching for top in MDT to short, soon
[06:36 am] Mitch K: ELN worth selling short soon, consider selling remaining long
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching PANL for bottom
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching PXD for short, soon
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching for bottom to buy in FOSL, late to see
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching SPRD for top to short
[06:38 am] Brent : watching ANR for a short
[06:39 am] Mitch K: consider covering ELN if you went short, try 13.50 area
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching HCA for top to short
[06:40 am] Mitch K: ANR toppy, looking for short
[06:40 am] Mitch K: MJN toppy, consider selling if long
[06:40 am] Mitch K: try 19.94 for ANR short
[06:41 am] Kris : DMND strong again, we could get another pop like the last couple days
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watch FOSL for top to short, missed the bottom to buy
[06:43 am] Kris : SPY testing lod[06:43 am] Mitch K: ZAGG toppy, looking for short
[06:44 am] Mitch K: ZAGG for more advanced traders
[06:45 am] Mitch K: indexes at low of day so far
[06:45 am] Mitch K: looking for around 38 area on MDT short, may take a while though
[06:46 am] Kris : if you have DMND long look for resistance around 33.00 to 33.30
[06:46 am] Kris : watching CREE for a short
[06:46 am] Mitch K: FOSL topped out, turning over
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching DECK for top to short, missed bottom, not looking for huge percentage profit
[06:50 am] Kris : SODA looking like a dog today
[06:51 am] Brent : SPY at trendline resistance
[06:53 am] Kris : GRPN looking weak against the market
[06:53 am] Kris : SPY testing hod[06:54 am] Mitch K: watching CBOE for bottom to buy
[06:58 am] Kris : volume starting to get shrinkage
[08:28 am] Mitch K: how did you do with DECK short?
[08:29 am] Mitch K: how about that PANL bottom earlier, anyone go after that?
[08:47 am] Mitch K: PANL not ready to short yet tony
[08:59 am] Kris : SPY still holding up today. Not much profit taking from the last run off the lows of 12/19
[09:00 am] Kris : starting to consolidate a little on the daily. If we close above 124.80 we might be setting up for a breakout next week over 127.00
[09:00 am] Mitch K: looking for 35.80 on PANL short 1st target
[09:01 am] Kris : GMCR just trending down Raelyn, not a trade there.
[09:02 am] Kris : GMCR in a fairly tight range the past 10 sessions.
[09:03 am] Kris : and an alert just over 43.00 for a break below 43.00
[09:03 am] Kris : I would set an alert just under 47.00 for a break over 47.00
[09:03 am] Kris : when one side wins there should be a substantial move in that direction.
[09:18 am] Mitch K: LEAP trending all day
[09:35 am] Mitch K: new high on LEAP
[09:36 am] Mitch K: trending stocks you try to buy on the dip unless early part of the move up
[10:18 am] Mitch K: GOOG had new price target by analyst, i think 750
[11:01 am] Brent : VRUS moving
[12:59 pm] Ed : have a wonderful weekend and Happy New Year
[01:00 pm] Brent : have a great weekend, see you on Tuesday
[01:22 pm] Mitch K: Happy New Year!
[06:19 am] joeytsa : Ford topped 2m vehicle sales this week, first time since 2007
[06:19 am] joeytsa : stock dropping though...
[06:20 am] shark : it's all about future sales...
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: Surprise: Spain's 2011 deficit to exceed target, AP reports
[06:25 am] joeytsa : apple: you use Xtend?
[06:26 am] apple : no, what is that?
[06:26 am] joeytsa : thought you did...it's the optionsxpress trade platform
[06:26 am] apple : i have, now that you remind me
[06:26 am] joeytsa : thought so
[06:27 am] joeytsa : just firing it back up after a few months...gonna see what that's all about
[06:27 am] apple : i should do the same, it's been awhile
[06:29 am] joeytsa : AAPL should have some action today, maybe a few other higher priced stocks
[06:29 am] joeytsa : be nice to get one of those "rumor" stocks today
[06:30 am] apple : on my wish list
[06:31 am] joeytsa : Raytheon books $50M in electronic warfare contracts
[06:34 am] joeytsa : AMZN doing a little moving
[06:35 am] apple : thx, MK, we noticed MJN
[06:37 am] rusty : RAYS lod[06:39 am] skydiver : S ANRN 20.01
[06:43 am] ryhghs3tsa -: hi Mitch, when you can - what service provides the charts you are showing?
[06:44 am] Kris : esignal ryhghs[06:44 am] apple : it's esignal[06:44 am] rusty : MOSY radar
[06:44 am] rusty : MOSY radar
[06:44 am] joeytsa : watching CP also..not huge vol[06:48 am] joeytsa : CP running on some type of news
[06:48 am] joeytsa : not usually a big mover
[06:48 am] joeytsa : CRM nice again
[06:48 am] Kris : it can make some big moves joey
[06:48 am] rusty : Benchmark Co. says the $35M MoSys (MOSY) received for the sale of 73 patents to a Tessera (TSRA) unit is much higher than expected. The firm reiterates a Speculative Buy rating on MoSys shares with a $7.50 price target
[06:49 am] mikewd2 -: Ackman calls on CP to hire former Canadian National CEO, Globe and Mail says
[06:49 am] rusty : DMND radar
[06:49 am] rusty : DMND radar
[06:49 am] apple : DMND moving fast
[06:49 am] Brent : Nice call on DMND Kert[06:53 am] rusty : watch KUTV for daytrader panic buying
[06:54 am] rusty : ECYT Jan effect play hod[06:55 am] joeytsa : playing the "C's" today..CP,CF,CRM,CLF[06:55 am] skydiver : I'm with you in CP joey
[06:56 am] skydiver : CP dropping nicely :)
[06:56 am] joeytsa : yeah sky: want CP to break $67
[06:57 am] skydiver : I'm with you on that joey
[06:57 am] shark : AAPL doa today, joey
[06:58 am] michael : rusty, I'm using 2.84 as a level to be short RAM today
[06:58 am] joeytsa : yeah shark..jumped quick..pinning at $405?
[06:58 am] apple : beware
[06:59 am] sfarrill : means the markets getting cold
[07:00 am] joeytsa : i would think today would be really slow...people get an early jump on the long weekend?
[07:00 am] Kris : you know it's a slow day when you think your scanner is broken
[07:00 am] joeytsa : hahaha[07:00 am] Kris : probably the slowest day of the year
[07:03 am] joeytsa : there goes AAPL shark
[07:03 am] skydiver : aapl - up up and away
[07:04 am] joeytsa : the CL trending up also, up $1 from the low
[07:04 am] shark : there she goes.......
[07:05 am] apple : nice consolidation on AAPL
[07:08 am] mikewd2 -: SINA heading south
[07:08 am] davidr : is dmnd worth shorting it went up last night sorry yesterday and came down any comments?
[07:08 am] rusty : TLT hod[07:10 am] skydiver : covered 1/2 CP 67.06
[07:10 am] shark : DMND consolidating here
[07:11 am] shark : been strong for 3rd day now
[07:11 am] shark : upward bias, davidr[07:14 am] joeytsa : nice trading sky
[07:14 am] skydiver : Covered last 1/2 CP at 67.02
[07:15 am] apple : good job sky
[07:15 am] joeytsa : tighten stop on CF if short
[07:16 am] shark : 45% shares short on DMND
[07:16 am] skydiver : thanks for info shark on DMND
[07:17 am] skydiver : Even news source Fly on the Wall is very slow today
[07:18 am] joeytsa : a little slow, but enough movement to pay the mortgage
[07:18 am] shark : you paid your mortgage today, joey???
[07:19 am] davidr : hi shark as I am new how do you know 45% shares are short
[07:19 am] joeytsa : :)
[07:19 am] shark : that's from CNBC report as of yesterday
[07:21 am] joeytsa : honestly, every day..but especially days like today, it's not about how much you can trade..it's about getting the most out of your good ideas
[07:23 am] mhaus shark, david, if you went long on DMND early this morning, you would have made decent money
[07:23 am] shark : oh yes!
[07:34 am] southernky : what stochastic setting do you guys use
[07:34 am] victor51 : Joey, you said it so well. i am just reaffirming my indicators move and not really trading today.
[07:35 am] joeytsa : victor: why force something that isn't there..if something happens great..if not, oh well
[07:35 am] joeytsa : southernky: i use the ones that Mitch has on his charts
[07:36 am] skydiver : So do I southernky 8 7 6
[07:36 am] apple : 8, 7, 6
[07:36 am] mhaus : K8, S7, D6
[07:36 am] skydiver : I also keep one screen up with 6 5 4
[07:37 am] skydiver : 6 5 4 good on fast moving stocks
[07:38 am] michael : now me, I'm still a 10,7 kinda guy on the 2 minute
[07:38 am] joeytsa : it's all what you get used to
[07:38 am] southernky : ok i only have fast and slow stochastic
[07:38 am] southernky : only 2 numbers
[07:38 am] joeytsa : indis are lagging, just a tool
[07:38 am] skydiver : what platform are you using southernky?
[07:39 am] southernky : scottrade[07:39 am] skydiver : got ya southernky[07:40 am] southernky : i am using 8 and 6
[07:40 am] southernky : thanks guys
[07:40 am] joeytsa : that should be fine, don't drive yourself crazy looking for utopia
[07:41 am] southernky : ok
[07:46 am] southernky : are you guys using 9 12 and 26 on your macd[07:46 am] mikewd2 -: is the markets open all day?
[07:46 am] apple : yes mike
[07:50 am] rusty : SLV and GLD just off hod...ty CNBC for telling us to short yesterday
[07:52 am] mhaus : southernky, in scottrade use stochastics slow. That will give you the 3 settings
[07:52 am] southernky : ok but i don't see it mhaus[07:53 am] southernky : it only gives me 2 time periods
[07:53 am] mhaus : Are you using the java platform?
[07:53 am] mhaus : I am logged in Scottrade and I see the 3 settings
[07:54 am] southernky : ok how to i use the java platform
[07:54 am] southernky : maybe i need a update
[07:54 am] mhaus : I am live on their website
[07:55 am] southernky : is it for the macd or stochastic
[07:55 am] lightning : I guess tough economic times are good for some companies: Constellation Brands CEO says alcoholics beverage business "very robust" :theflyonthewall.c[07:56 am] mhaus : macd is 9,26,12
[08:02 am] rusty : SIN stocks http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist /krantz/story/2011-12-20/sin-stocks-long-term -performance/52129024/1
[08:04 am] mhaus : watching NFLX
[08:06 am] skydiver : thnks for heads up on NFLX mhaus[08:21 am] lightning : watching ITMN
[08:23 am] zentrader : does market close at 1pm today?
[08:24 am] apple : open all day
[08:24 am] apple : closed on mon[08:27 am] victor51 : Rusty, Interesting article for me as I own large chunk of one of the sin stocks
[08:28 am] lightning : bad then good on DECK, so net positive
[08:29 am] apple : yes, thx for PANL
[08:34 am] joeytsa : very nice move on PANL, good call
[08:38 am] go4it : Mitch; Based on indicators what time was best entry for PANL?
[08:38 am] tonyliu : Mitch, I was out PANL very early cuz I think it was at the top. Now how's short?
[08:39 am] shark : DMND moving slightly on anemic vol*** Brent has added a new file into the Documents folder. 2012 Stock Market Holidays.pdf
[08:40 am] Brent : Holiday calendar courtesy of mhaus, in documents folder
[08:47 am] tonyliu : Thx Mitch, it suddenly went up again
[08:57 am] michael : RAM won't be happening for me, no short shares at LS
[08:58 am] rusty : ok maybe it will work out for the best...it needs a good spike to exhaust it
[08:59 am] rusty : sometimes the setup never occurs - just have to be patient
[08:59 am] michael : after I checked on short shares, I didn't watch it until a bit ago. would have been great long
[08:59 am] thomasohana : GMCr dropping
[08:59 am] rusty : sure in retrospect but I wouldn't chase it here....you could but it's not my style
[09:00 am] rusty : I prefer to wait like a sniper
[09:02 am] rusty : RAYS a good example
[09:02 am] rusty : often looks like a long until suddenly it doesn't
[09:03 am] apple : that's right...
[09:04 am] joeytsa : CF still playing nice
[09:05 am] thomasohana : ok Kris got it
[09:05 am] apple : missed it joey
[09:05 am] rusty : RAM taking off a bit
[09:05 am] rusty : aided by short covering no doubt
[09:06 am] rusty : as early shorts start to capitulate
[09:07 am] skydiver : Leap wireless potential acquisition target amid speculation on where AT&T and T-mobile can get additional spectrum on bandwidth
[09:08 am] skydiver : yesterday news from fly on the wall
[09:08 am] lightning : stopped PANL
[09:08 am] apple : thx for yesterday's news sky
[09:09 am] skydiver : nothing like "fresh" news :)
[09:10 am] shark : yesterday's news, today's move! :)
[09:18 am] apple : very nice on LEAP
[09:18 am] skydiver : I need to start a "rumor" to get stocks moving - like GM moving auto plants down to equator for cheap labor by the pygmies -- something like that
[09:19 am] joeytsa : LEAP a nice $ and % move
[09:20 am] joeytsa : BIDU hod[09:25 am] skydiver : I should have shorted V at opening - oh well
[09:26 am] skydiver : clear hind site
[09:36 am] apple : while everyone is still here, i want to wish all of you the very best for the new year: health, joy and prosperity (and consistency!).
[09:36 am] shark : nice one, Mitch
[09:36 am] joeytsa : same to you apple :)
[09:36 am] shark : ditto, aaple! :)
[09:37 am] mhaus : wish the same for you too, apple
[09:37 am] michael : wishing you all the best apple
[09:37 am] shark : DIA lod[09:38 am] apple : 2012 is going to be our year!!!
[09:38 am] shark : YEAH!!!!!!
[09:38 am] skydiver : Happy new year to you as well apple and everyone else. May it be the best yet
[09:39 am] joeytsa : forbes article : European banks have $10T in claims against US rivals
[09:39 am] michael : it's a great time to look back and see how far you came in a year
[09:39 am] apple : it is, michael, come a long way
[09:41 am] joeytsa : small incremental steps for new traders too
[09:42 am] apple : consistency is the key
[09:42 am] joeytsa : 15cent move on 1000shares makes you more than most teachers
[09:42 am] joeytsa : which is sad
[09:43 am] joeytsa : i mean daily on the above post
[09:44 am] michael : never has been right joey, educators make nothing, sports figures and entertainers make bank
[09:45 am] shark : and they don't seem to have to set a good example any more, either
[09:45 am] apple : because in this country we do not put the emphasis where it needs to be -- education!
[09:45 am] joeytsa : right on michael and shark
[09:45 am] joeytsa : the education system is busted
[09:45 am] joeytsa : needs complete overhaul
[09:45 am] skydiver : agreed joey
[09:45 am] shark : GOOG new hod[09:45 am] apple : shark - you can say that again. do something wrong, go to jail, come back out and sign a deal for more millions...
[09:45 am] michael : speaks volumes for the priorities in our country
[09:46 am] apple : the masses, the sheep
[09:46 am] joeytsa : when i was teaching piano/guitar..the best students i had were the ones who were homeschooled
[09:47 am] michael : I would believe that
[09:47 am] joeytsa : in order it went homeschooling, private school and public school last
[09:47 am] skydiver : exactly right joey on your order
[09:47 am] qwert : Happy New Year to everybody , wishing you all a healthy, prosperous New Year
[09:47 am] joeytsa : same to you qwert[09:47 am] skydiver : you too qwert[09:47 am] michael : same to you qwert[09:47 am] apple : the best of everything to you qwert[09:48 am] shark : thx, qwert. you too
[09:49 am] victor51 : New kid on the block is wishing everyone happy New Year and a successful financial year 2012. The TSA and all participants are great and together, we will achieve our 2012 financial goals.
[09:49 am] joeytsa : i agree shark..but if your kid is socializing with morons..what's the point haha[09:49 am] skydiver : good one victor51 -- good to have you aboard
[09:50 am] joeytsa : lots of home school study groups, social groups etc[09:50 am] mhaus : Thanks everyone for the wonderful 2011 and pray that all your wishes come true in 2012.
[09:51 am] apple : PANL moving again
[09:51 am] joeytsa : i tell kids to learn skills that will get them above the garbage
[09:51 am] skydiver : my grandkids were in private school, then put into public - and they went downhill fast, put them back in private this year and they're flying high in all respects again
[09:51 am] skydiver : amazing difference -- Seattle area
[09:51 am] shark : good to have choices in the USA
[09:52 am] skydiver : yes shark -- love freedom - amazing so many people want to give up freedom for socialism
[09:52 am] skydiver : interesting to see China turned to capitalism - socialism has been a big failure everywhere -
[09:53 am] go4it : PANL short?
[09:54 am] shark : nothing great there go4it
[09:54 am] go4it : ok thx Shark
[09:54 am] joeytsa : agreed shark..might even want to look for support hold and a long
[09:54 am] mikewd2 -: go4it, you see Mitch's last statement
[09:55 am] go4it : Thx Joey
[09:55 am] victor51 : Mitch, i didn't get S on Deck but i am hally with long and may be it will open big next week. I plan to stay with it for a week or so. What you think?/[09:55 am] skydiver : agreed with shark and joey on PANL
[09:56 am] joeytsa : that doesn't mean it won't pull back...but the odds are on the long side i think
[09:56 am] joeytsa : but it has come a ways up
[09:56 am] mikewd2 -: right
[09:59 am] skydiver : but remember go4it - buying, selling, covering is your decision ultimately
[09:59 am] skydiver : I'm pretty new here too and love the input and have learned a lot with lots more learning to do
[10:00 am] skydiver : boy - I should be an english teacher with my grammar!
[10:00 am] skydiver : but -- stock trading pay more :)
[10:01 am] michael : go4it, I've shorted ones like this before. you usually end up fighting it to get a couple percent out of it. Look at how herky jerky the one minute candles are
[10:04 am] shark : DIA lod[10:05 am] skydiver : thnx shark - haven't been looking at the DIA for a bit
[10:06 am] joeytsa : MA nice spike
[10:06 am] skydiver : HANS has dropped down a bit from 93.20 down to 92.70
[10:07 am] joeytsa : MA most likely not playable
[10:07 am] skydiver : yes - on slow days - got to fight the temptation to just do something -- remind myself - self discipline - stick to my rules
[10:08 am] joeytsa : with you on that sky
[10:10 am] shark : GOOG new hod[10:14 am] shark : GOOG running...
[10:18 am] tonyliu : I am here for 4 days. Only a few trades in the morning and nothing to do in the afternoon.
[10:18 am] Mitch K: this is really quiet time of year tony, really quiet
[10:19 am] apple : tony, we explained this is a very slow week. time to study
[10:19 am] Mitch K: lowest vol of the year
[10:19 am] tonyliu : Thx.
[10:19 am] Mitch K: next week vol should pick up with higher frequency of ideas
[10:21 am] Ed : which means more ideas
[10:21 am] tonyliu : Actually there are many trade calls in the morning I can't handle. This time of the day has nothing. I hope we can find a few trade in this time in next week
[10:22 am] apple : depends on the market
[10:22 am] joeytsa : slow part of the day also
[10:22 am] Ed : typically we get a couple news driven ideas
[10:23 am] apple : tony, take a little break then
[10:23 am] joeytsa : 1st 90,last 90 are the busiest times
[10:27 am] joeytsa : CF should throw off another trade or 2 coming up...looks like about 6-8 decent trades on it so far
[10:28 am] tonyliu : Joey are you day trading CF?
[10:29 am] joeytsa : i was earlier..smaller size due to vol[10:29 am] joeytsa : i would think it might get another move, but traders might also pack it in early and take advantage of the long weekend
[10:30 am] go4it : Michael stepped away realtor showing house. I just read you post I jumped in at 36.90 s out of boredom
[10:33 am] michael : LEAP offered better opportunity. you got stuck in consolidation too.
[10:37 am] go4it : well my thinking was consolidation is a continuation pastern and it looked to me to be turning over so I'm taking a chance
[10:39 am] michael : ahh, I hear ya. I think the continuation is usually in the direction of the larger move, up in PANL's case.
[10:40 am] apple : agree michael
[10:40 am] joeytsa : that's actually the definition of continuation
[10:40 am] joeytsa : the opposite would be reversal
[10:41 am] michael : it offered a short opportunity, but you have to know it's gonna be quick. If you do it you're usually gonna get about 1%
[10:41 am] joeytsa : volume sometimes can clue you in, but hard to rely on volume today
[10:42 am] michael : for me it would have been at 9:54 on the 2 minute using the candle and volume
[10:42 am] go4it : thx for help I'm still new at this and I appreciate any advice you guys can give btw set my stop at be
[10:42 am] joeytsa : my ES tick chart is now showing over 3 hours of data...very slow day
[10:43 am] michael : price would have been 37.16 and you would have had to fight to get 1%
[10:44 am] apple : which stock?
[10:44 am] michael : PANL still, with go4it
[10:44 am] apple : ok
[10:45 am] joeytsa : still would have given you potential 30cents
[10:46 am] apple : take it when you can get it...
[10:46 am] michael : those trades looked so appealing to me, but I was fighting them almost every time
[10:46 am] joeytsa : i agree michael...i don't want a fistfight for a few bucks
[10:47 am] apple : totally
[10:47 am] michael : I was passing on the better ones, actually waiting for ones like this
[10:47 am] joeytsa : VRUS a bit of a move
[10:50 am] go4it : stoch crossed at 10:45 on 1min chart I'm still in
[10:51 am] apple : DND had a nice short
[10:52 am] rusty : mike, see that spike in RAM at 11:15 or so...that's what you look for to short into
[10:54 am] rusty : two days ago CNBC said volatility was gone, now they are saying they are looking for more volatility
[10:54 am] rusty : how do people make money following them
[10:54 am] michael : by doing the opposite
[10:55 am] rusty : lol good point
[10:55 am] rusty : statistically 90% probably follow CNBC thinking tho[10:56 am] michael : definitely a large number, you can tell by how much things move when they speak
[11:06 am] rusty : CNBC and everyone hates natural gas
[11:06 am] rusty : might be time to start looking at it
[11:07 am] michael : been watching it every day, just waiting
[11:08 am] joeytsa : with you rusty on nat gas
[11:08 am] rusty : CHK SWN EP et al
[11:09 am] michael : futures contract for me
[11:09 am] joeytsa : I'm also looking at westport[11:09 am] rusty : maybe sell some puts on the above
[11:12 am] rusty : http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$WTIC:$NATGA S&p=D&yr=0&mn=6&a mp;dy=0&id=p11398013607
[11:13 am] rusty : above link shows how out of whack nat gas is compared to oil
[11:15 am] rusty : long-term that ratio is more like 6-10
[11:15 am] rusty : now 33
[11:19 am] joeytsa : Google CEO Larry Page is IBD's ceo of the year
[11:19 am] apple : i gotta go, have company. thx MK, K, B and E and everyone. have a safe wonderful new year. see you on tuesday.
[11:19 am] Brent : you too apple, take care
[11:19 am] Ed : u2 apple and c ya next year
[11:21 am] go4it : die PANL LOL
[11:22 am] rusty : VIX spike
[11:22 am] joeytsa : the ES touching lod[11:22 am] michael : the markets are moving down go4it, working in your favor
[11:24 am] go4it : beginners luck!
[11:24 am] go4it : I see your point about the fist fight tho[11:25 am] michael : some resistance around 36.24
[11:33 am] go4it : out PANL
[11:33 am] michael : well done
[11:33 am] mikewd2 -: nice go!
[11:34 am] go4it : THx Michael for ur help!
[11:34 am] Ed : nice trade michael, go4it
[11:34 am] joeytsa : PCLN near lod[11:34 am] michael : I totally applaud your patience
[11:35 am] go4it : Thx Ed
[11:35 am] joeytsa : nice spread no vol though
[11:36 am] go4it : I have more patience when i8n a trade that when I'm on sideline haha[11:36 am] michael : you will do well then as long as you use stops
[11:37 am] michael : thx E, I didn't trade it, just along for the ride
[11:37 am] go4it : that's my nemisis:(
[11:37 am] Ed : cool
[11:43 am] go4it : VRUS sure was strong against th SPY
[11:49 am] tonyliu : Is it SPY consolidating for upward bias?
[11:49 am] michael : anything goes last hour of the year tony
[11:50 am] tonyliu : Ah ha
[11:50 am] joeytsa : tony: did you take VRUS?
[11:50 am] mikewd2 -: quick drop in AGQ
[11:51 am] tonyliu : No, I don't know short or long. I first think to take short
[11:51 am] joeytsa : gotya[11:53 am] go4it : I got VRUS L when Brent called it 127.18
[11:54 am] tonyliu : cuz indicators were in the upper range seemingly to go down
[11:54 am] joeytsa : i think it was just under $126 when i mentioned it
[11:55 am] tonyliu : So when I almost place the order it went up
[11:55 am] go4it : sorry Joey I missed that
[11:56 am] joeytsa : it's actually held the 15ma since just b4 8:30pst
[11:56 am] tonyliu : Please teach me how to determine S or L when a stock moves fast
[11:56 am] joeytsa : sub $124...really nice move, wish i saw it then
[11:57 am] go4it : What is stop on VRUS
[11:57 am] shark : PCLN took a nice little dump today, joey
[11:57 am] joeytsa : saw that earlier shark..wanted to cut that fat spread but no volume
[11:58 am] shark : I sold some 475 weeklies this morning on it
[11:58 am] joeytsa : go4it: put stop just below ma support maybe?
[11:58 am] go4it : thx Joey
[11:58 am] shark : were worth $3.20 at peak, now .05
[11:58 am] joeytsa : looks like you have a nice profit, don't give too much back
[11:59 am] joeytsa : wow shark
[11:59 am] shark : that's why I'm sitting here at the baby monitor
[11:59 am] go4it : Set stop 127.66
[11:59 am] joeytsa : tony: every situation is different, so there isn't a cut and dried answer
[12:01 pm] joeytsa : nice profit go4it
[12:01 pm] go4it : out VRUS
[12:01 pm] go4it : thx
[12:04 pm] joeytsa : tony: best advice based on your earlier statement saying you look to go short would be just to wait for those opportunities..will make things less confusing maybe
[12:07 pm] tonyliu : In the DVD's stochs in upper range and the price turns over it is a setup for short Joey, isn't it?
[12:07 pm] joeytsa : can be..but not every setup works
[12:08 pm] joeytsa : if you jump in, just set your stops so you can't get hurt
[12:08 pm] tonyliu : I set my stop at 1% but still get hurt
[12:09 pm] joeytsa : no matter how technical you get etc...every time you push buy/sell its at best just a guess
[12:09 pm] joeytsa : then 1% is too much for you or you need to trade smaller size
[12:09 pm] mikewd2 -: better than a guess, if you "follow the indicators"
[12:09 pm] mikewd2 -: haha[12:09 pm] thomasohana : joey is a reversal strategy enough to go full-time on? or would u advise that one has multiple strategies before going full-time
[12:10 pm] joeytsa : you can make a lot of money if you get good at 1 thing
[12:10 pm] joeytsa : more strategies just gives you more opportunities..but maybe more distractions
[12:11 pm] joeytsa : not sure, but my guess is that most traders make their money on 1 or 2 strategies
[12:12 pm] joeytsa : but whatever strategy you decide on...the focus should always be on making good trades
[12:13 pm] joeytsa : nothing wrong with losing money on your best ideas
[12:13 pm] tonyliu : Thx Joey
[12:13 pm] Brent : I agree with Joey. I think a good living can be made just by mastering 1 strategy and being consistent with it. As you gain more experience you can add more strategies. But make sure you don't take on too much too fast or you will likely regress
[12:14 pm] thomasohana : apple mentioned that reversal strategy set ups don't happen all the time which can be frustrating, but perhaps its due to the low volatility from the holidays
[12:14 pm] joeytsa : right brent..confusion can set it
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : you can literally drive yourself crazy trying to find "The answer"
[12:15 pm] thomasohana : i have lol[12:15 pm] joeytsa : then you go in search of the next thing
[12:16 pm] joeytsa : on and on...study what Mitch,Brent,Kris,Ed teach..pick the one that makes the most sense to you right now
[12:16 pm] tonyliu : Thx I still confused with stochs, I watched the DVDs but you are trading different here
[12:16 pm] thomasohana : understood
[12:16 pm] thomasohana : thx for the insight
[12:16 pm] joeytsa : you have to really decide what type of trader you are
[12:17 pm] joeytsa : I'm not patient...so waiting for a candle setup on a 15min chart doesn't work for me..heck the 3min doesn't either haha[12:18 pm] lightning : tony, the DVDs are really closest to the way Mitch trades. It doesn't seem to match the strategies that Brent or Kris trade very well.
[12:18 pm] joeytsa : if i had to recommend a "strategy", i guess it would be to sit and wait for a severe overreaction...either a premarket gap or a Vpattern setup
[12:19 pm] joeytsa : and fade it
[12:20 pm] tonyliu : thx
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : 2nd would be like mitch mentioned at 9:36...buy uptrending stocks on dips and/or short downtrending stocks on spikes...
[12:20 pm] mikewd2 -: ain't got that kinda of patience joey!
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : but make sure you master support/resistance
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : yeah mike i hear ya[12:21 pm] joeytsa : look at VRUS..unfortunately go4it just got touched out then it moved higher...
[12:21 pm] joeytsa : but he didn't let much profits get taken away..so the decision was correct
[12:22 pm] Ed : Livermore said "I never catch top or bottom" but I make a lot of money
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : true
[12:23 pm] joeytsa : re: VRUS...my guess is go4it was looking at the 1 or 2min?
[12:23 pm] joeytsa : but the 3,5,15min charts never broke support
[12:24 pm] Ed : still in uptrend
[12:24 pm] joeytsa : so there is where more confusion can set in...which is why you HAVE to decide what type of trader you are
[12:24 pm] Ed : great point joey
[12:25 pm] joeytsa : info overload
[12:27 pm] thomasohana : joey I'm sorry if this is a noob-ish question, but can you elaborate on "type of trader"?
[12:31 pm] joeytsa : personal style
[12:31 pm] joeytsa : you can be a "trend follower", "momentum fader" etc[12:32 pm] joeytsa : do you like to use the 1min chart with a 5/15ma...or do you like the 5min chart with 8/21ma etc[12:32 pm] thomasohana : ah ok, sorry thought u were referring to being aggressive vs. patient
[12:32 pm] joeytsa : that's another category
[12:42 pm] mikewd2 -: FMCN on the move
[12:42 pm] shark : good observe, mikewd2
[12:48 pm] mikewd2 -: WFT nice couple days
[12:56 pm] tonyliu : 1 question, I found that profits are small in the trades these days, is it more price movements in the usual days?
[12:56 pm] shark : yup
[12:56 pm] shark : depends on volatility, too
[12:57 pm] shark : VIX is indicator of how much a market is expected to move on any given day
[01:00 pm] tonyliu : My problem is when I get a call as 'XYZ moving' or 'alert' I don't know long or short. What should I check on the chart? I mean volume, stochs, MA etc.
[01:00 pm] shark : all of that tony
[01:01 pm] shark : pick up a set of the instructional CD's
[01:01 pm] shark : they are complete from A-Z
[01:01 pm] shark : plus you get some updates here in the trading room
[01:03 pm] tonyliu : Hum, when I took PANL short after checking stochs and MA, it went down a little and shot up sharply
[01:03 pm] tonyliu : I have DVDs
[01:05 pm] tonyliu : I heard about webinars are really great. Any review available as an archive?
[01:11 pm] Brent : contact service tonyliu. service@tradestocksamerica.com
[01:11 pm] tonyliu : Thanks Brent. When will be the next webinars?
[01:12 pm] Brent : nothing scheduled yet.
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