Chat Highlights From 12/28/2012

TSA Moderator ChatUser Chat
[06:30 am] Ed : FB dont chase wait for bounce to short into  use 25.5ish area as key
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching QCOR for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching HLF for short scalp but still long on swing trade
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching RL for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching NFLX for trades both ways
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching MSCI for top, looking for 31.20
[06:33 am] Mitch K: monitoring SSYS
[06:34 am] Ed : no signal here in FB just monitor
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching PXD for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching CALL for top to short
[06:34 am] Mitch K: monitor NUS today
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching healthcare sector:  UNH, HUM, AET, WLP
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching KORS for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching BKS for top
[06:36 am] Mitch K: WATCHING uri FOR BOTTOM
[06:36 am] Mitch K: MONITORING sina
[06:36 am] Mitch K: WATCHING mtw FOR BOTTOM
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching SDRL
[06:37 am] Mitch K: WATCHING cphd FOR TOP
[06:37 am] Mitch K: WATCHING hca FOR BOTTOM AND THEN SHORT, MISSED FIRST SHORT
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching APA for bottom
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching AAPL for trades today
[06:38 am] Mitch K: looking to sell KORS long soon
[06:39 am] Mitch K: monitor education stocks:  DV, ESI, APOL
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching VECO for bottom
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching retailers for botoms:  RL, TIF, EL
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching BIDU for trades both ways, next one a short
[06:41 am] Mitch K: low price stock AEZS very active,
[06:41 am] Mitch K: URI bouncing
[06:41 am] Mitch K: SPY near low of day,
[06:42 am] Mitch K: monitor DECK
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watching CALL closer for top
[06:42 am] Ed : the 516 aea AAPL has had trouble last 2 days, but still be felxible
[06:42 am] Mitch K: that would be long only trades on AEZS, careful, stay small
[06:43 am] Mitch K: on AEZS, prefer a pattern of buy on dips on trending up
[06:43 am] Mitch K: also watch for big spread so use limit orders on LQDT if you trade this
[06:43 am] Mitch K: low vol but watchign LQDT
[06:44 am] Mitch K: monitoring K
[06:44 am] Mitch K: gradual covering of MSCI if short
[06:44 am] Ed : for advanced traders look for trade on FB either way but outside of current  .40 range
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching IOC for bottom
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching ANF for top
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching TROW for top to short,
[06:46 am] Mitch K: new high on AEZS
[06:49 am] Mitch K: new low on SPY
[06:49 am] Mitch K: consider covering TROW
[06:49 am] Mitch K: HLF, NUS bouncing
[06:50 am] Mitch K: AEZS strong, 2 mil shares traded
[06:52 am] Mitch K: FDA granted some sort of permission (not FDA approval for marketing) to continue Phase 3 on endometrial cancer drug
[06:53 am] Mitch K: watching CALL closely to cover short
[06:55 am] Mitch K: watching oil companies APA, APC
[06:56 am] Mitch K: nice 1 cent spread on AEZS; monitoring for a bottom, thinking this might turn into a trending pattern
[06:57 am] Mitch K: looking for $39 area on NUS and $35 area on HLF on swing trade, within 10 days
[06:58 am] Mitch K: consider selling SSYS long
[06:58 am] Mitch K: cover MSCI gradually if short, limit order
[06:58 am] Ed : SPY nearing lod
[06:59 am] Mitch K: keep covering CALL  short
[06:59 am] Mitch K: if stocks like QCOR and PXD are bouncing when SPY is at low, then watch for these stronger stocks like this to move up higher when SPY (SP-500 etf) bounces
[06:59 am] Mitch K: more upside on PXD
[07:00 am] Mitch K: don't pay too much attention to level 2 on AEZS, lot of games being played, not like it was 15 years ago where you could believe that
[07:02 am] Mitch K: watching HCA for more upside movement
[07:02 am] Mitch K: watchign SINA for top
[07:02 am] Mitch K: consider selling MTW
[07:02 am] Mitch K: CPHD turning into trending stock up
[07:03 am] Mitch K: hard to read BKS chart
[07:03 am] Mitch K: AET bouncing
[07:04 am] Mitch K: i'd look for a bottom to buy CPHD
[07:04 am] Mitch K: quick drop in CPHD usually marks important top
[07:05 am] Ed : SPY nearing hod
[07:06 am] Mitch K: i will try to clarify what i was looking for in statements like:  [06:35 am] Mitch K: watching healthcare sector:  UNH, HUM, AET, WLP.  i was looking for shorts because they gapped down and climbed up and started stalling.  watch these for 2nd helping short
[07:07 am] Mitch K: that was answer to CHingo
[07:07 am] Mitch K: looks like it CPHD, thats what im looking for,
[07:09 am] Mitch K: this is why BKS acting spastic on upside
[07:09 am] Mitch K: BKS:  Barnes & Noble climbs after Pearson deal despite holiday sales miss  Barnes & Noble (BKS) is advancing after the company announced that its holiday sales would be lower than expected, but also said that British publishing company Pearson (PSO) would invest $89.5M in the American retailer's NOOK unit
[07:10 am] Mitch K: careful if you are long and if CPHD goes below $34
[07:11 am] Mitch K: many stocks
[07:11 am] Mitch K: seeing hard selling
[07:11 am] Mitch K: looking to sell APC, assuming you sold APA
[07:15 am] Mitch K: learn futures-forex on simulator mode
[07:15 am] Mitch K: 6E cycling well, Currency future, watching 4 range chart
[07:15 am] Ed : monitoring FAST no hurry
[07:16 am] Mitch K: over several month period you will get a lot better
[07:20 am] Mitch K: CPHD not acting like trending stock, still negative
[07:24 am] Mitch K: sell signal on SPY so other longs you have might pullback
[07:42 am] Ed : SPY trading in range
[07:43 am] Ed : reason for spike
[07:43 am] Ed : OBAM will offer scaled back budget packet
[07:45 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[07:56 am] Mitch K: Make sure you all go through this authentication process TODAY so you can get your exchange fees waived on futures-forex datafeed.  http://www.screencast.com/t/LfkzHN0PDQ
[07 :57 am] Mitch K: if you have esignal, or others there are exchange waiver program too but i am only familiar with this method since i use Ninja
[07:57 am] Mitch K: today is last day in December you can do this and get fees waived, must connect to brokerage firm through Ninja Control center
[07:58 am] Mitch K: but i saw esignal and a couple other datafeeds have procedures to get exchange fees waived.  must do this once a month
[07:59 am] Ed : getting pullback in SPY
[08:13 am] Mitch K: when you get a downtrend in CL, Crude oil like we have last 35 minutes or so, you shouldn't buy long the buy signals and sell on the sell signals but use a small profit target on those bounces if you buy at all.  best to not buy long until the trend reverses
[08:28 am] Ed : nice pullback in SPY
[08:37 am] Mitch K: now you can see what i am talking about how CL has had trend change
[08:47 am] Mitch K: watching CRI for top, Carter Inc.
[08:49 am] Mitch K: TSO and VLO are both oil refiners.  if the USA had more oil refineries, our gasoline would drop in price but enviromentalists make it too costly and difficult to establish.  Plus Obama is also environmentalist mentality too.
[09:31 am] Mitch K: watching KORS for top
[09:32 am] Mitch K: watching IRM for short, micro short
[09:34 am] Mitch K: watching YONG for short
[10:03 am] Ed : SPY trading in range
[10:12 am] Mitch K: watching M
[10:57 am] Ed : SPY breaking down from range
[11:26 am] Ed : getting some selling in SPY
[11:35 am] Mitch K: should get a tradable bounce on HLF on next bottom
[11:37 am] Mitch K: i beat you Murano
[11:37 am] Mitch K: if anyone short IRM, good to cover soon
[11:37 am] Mitch K: im surprised the market hasnt sold off more this week on politicians not making deal
[11:38 am] Mitch K: which stock or instrument you talking about joey?
[11:38 am] Mitch K: you are still fast though
[11:42 am] Mitch K: you guys want to see something cool on NG 02-12?  First time i ever looked at this long of interval but type in 9R in the NG chart.  sure looks good.  low maintenance trade
[11:44 am] Mitch K: i got that idea from a friend and we were screen sharing and i saw his setting.  i told him he might be certifiable.  he said you already are but try the setting
[11:45 am] Mitch K: yeah, i agree joey, i told him you can lose a lot of money quickly on a setting like that
[11:45 am] Mitch K: what are friends for besides sharing ideas and verbally abusing each other and then laughing
[11:46 am] Mitch K: i always have done that qwert, goes back to mid 90's
[11:46 am] Mitch K: but i have several charts open with different time intervals anyhow
[11:47 am] Mitch K: when charting packages starting showing up.  i think meta something and Tradestation were selling $3,000 packages and had about 6 indicators, was really bad too, slow, not real time yet
[12:09 pm] Mitch K: what joey and I were saying earlier about that 9 Range setting on NG 02-13 . . . . a long time interval can cause a sizeable loss before a sell signal is generated so you want to always have a stop loss set.  i put my stops in when i open a futures trade.  mentality is "just in case" some news event causes the instrument to go against me
[12:38 pm] Ed : no new offer by Obama at meeting
[12:39 pm] Ed : earlier reports were forr scaled back offer
[12:40 pm] Ed : SPY made new lod
[12:48 pm] Ed : more selling in SPY
[12:49 pm] Mitch K: is Lisa here or anyone who uses Tradestation?
[12:50 pm] Mitch K: or is there another procedure to get exchange fees waived for TS?
[12:50 pm] Mitch K: i was wondering if that authentication to get exchange fees waived works through NinjaTrader as i outlined in the video i emailed you an hour ago
[12:51 pm] Ed : SPY testing yesterdays low
[12:52 pm] Mitch K: i have 3 datafeeds so i save over $1000 a month of fees waived
[12:52 pm] Mitch K: ok, Monday is last day to get this months exchange fees waived so make sure you do that on each datafeed that you have.
[12:56 pm] Ed : have a great weekend traders

[06:22 am] apple  : good morning to all wonderful traders
[06:22 am] apple  : gm cowboy
[06:22 am] apple  : gm sky
[06:22 am] apple  : gm qwert
[06:22 am] apple  : gm shark
[06:22 am] apple  : gm taco
[06:22 am] apple  : gm lisa
[06:22 am] apple  : gm joey - missed you
[06:22 am] apple  : gm chin
[06:22 am] apple  : gm E
[06:22 am] lisas  : gm apple
[06:22 am] apple  : gm MK
[06:22 am] joeytsa  : gap down: AAPL,AMZN,SPXL..CALL sgap up on lower vol,  lots of etf's gapping
[06:22 am] apple  : thx joey
[06:23 am] taco  : hi apple, thanks joey
[06:23 am] chinhngo  : hi apple
[06:24 am] scalpman  : HI guys
[06:24 am] qwert  : thx joey
[06:24 am] scalpman  : joey...any gap up?
[06:24 am] apple  : gm scalp
[06:24 am] cowboyh  : gm apple
[06:25 am] scalpman  : hi apple
[06:26 am] skydiver  : gm apple
[06:28 am] go4it  : Gm all no BKS at TS
[06:28 am] apple  : gm go
[06:29 am] skydiver  : Lightspeed has BKS go4it
[06:30 am] elisha  : Good Morning Mitch, Ed and everyone
[06:30 am] skydiver  : thnx Ed
[06:31 am] apple  : gm elisha
[06:31 am] taco  : thanks Ed
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : watching HCA
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : low vol still on HCA though
[06:31 am] elisha  : gm apple
[06:31 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR
[06:32 am] joeytsa  : watching CPHD
[06:34 am] joeytsa  : watching KORS
[06:36 am] joeytsa  : Mitch hitting the eggnog again :)
[06:36 am] shark  : hmmm...
[06:36 am] Ed : early
[06:37 am] apple  : heck, he's had a good year... celebrate
[06:37 am] shark  : tastes better with spice
[06:37 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch in cap lock mode today
[06:37 am] apple  : gm mike
[06:40 am] joeytsa  : ranges for breaks : /CL 91.20,91.10 , /PL 1528,1525; /GC 1663,1660
[06:40 am] apple  : thx joey
[06:42 am] joeytsa  : watching SINA
[06:43 am] mikewd2 -: also Mitch, AAPL been weak everyday lately after opening bounce
[06:43 am] shark  : thx Ed, Mike -AAPL
[06:45 am] joeytsa  : chicago pmi slightly up, pending homes sales in 15 mins
[06:45 am] joeytsa  : nat gas @ 7:30pdt, crude inv 8pdt
[06:46 am] apple  : thx joey
[06:46 am] regatta  : watching SINA
[06:49 am] joeytsa  : out /PL
[06:51 am] joeytsa  : /GC made a range break also :)
[06:52 am] mikewd2 -: on AEZS, hugh ask block at 2.68 needs to go
[06:52 am] skydiver  : SINA retracts denial of Alibaba investment rumors
[06:54 am] apple  : thx sky
[06:54 am] skydiver  : :)
[06:58 am] mikewd2 -: on AEZS hugh ask block removed
[06:59 am] shark  : thx, mike
[07:00 am] skydiver  : pending home sales up 1.7 percent - expectations were 1.0
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: thanks Mitch
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : Level 3 a bit more accurate
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : im sure games can be played there as well
[07:01 am] shark  : :)
[07:01 am] apple  : it's all one big game, admit it
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : BIDU over $100
[07:02 am] chinhngo  : joeyta what is level 3 meaning thank
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: yeah apple, and we are just pawns in the game
[07:02 am] apple  : you got it
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: HLF nice today
[07:02 am] joeytsa  : chin: Level 3 is all of the orders
[07:02 am] shark  : nflx
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: level 3 is what i'm monitoring on etrade i think
[07:03 am] shark  : market moving higher
[07:03 am] joeytsa  : on Lightspeed it is called Books, not sure which platforms offer it
[07:03 am] joeytsa  : home sales # moving market?
[07:03 am] chinhngo  : i only have qoute level 2
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : yeah, most do
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : mike: what are you following on etrade?
[07:04 am] chinhngo  : how to get level 3
[07:04 am] mikewd2 -: AEZS
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : switch to lightspeed
[07:04 am] mikewd2 -: i see all the markets on it
[07:05 am] joeytsa  : mike: i meant, you said you think level 3...what is it called on etrade?
[07:05 am] shark  : SPY testing hod area
[07:05 am] joeytsa  : /PL,GC some nice moves
[07:06 am] mikewd2 -: its the market depth on etrade
[07:06 am] scalpman  : All out APC L
[07:06 am] joeytsa  : gotya thanks
[07:07 am] skydiver  : thnx Mitch
[07:07 am] chinhngo  : bottom to buy cphd at 34.27 ? just want to confirm
[07:09 am] scalpman  : Thanks Mitch on APC clall
[07:09 am] scalpman  : call
[07:12 am] shark  : SPY new lod
[07:12 am] mikewd2 -: VIX up another 5%, 20.48
[07:17 am] mikewd2 -: HLF battling 30.00
[07:17 am] joeytsa  : /GC sitting on S1
[07:20 am] mikewd2 -: HLF thru 30.00
[07:25 am] cowboyh  : HLF very nice swing idea Mitch mucho tks
[07:43 am] skydiver  : wow spy - jumped fast
[07:44 am] shawn  : has wynn topperd?
[07:45 am] mikewd2 -: where did you see that Ed, no word on CNBC?
[07:46 am] Ed : global equity news feed
[07:46 am] skydiver  : nice news feed Ed :)
[07:46 am] Ed : thx had to bite the bullet
[07:46 am] joeytsa  : nice
[07:46 am] apple  : thx E
[07:46 am] skydiver  : :)
[07:46 am] mikewd2 -: not sure i believe it
[07:46 am] Ed : and you all get benefit
[07:46 am] Ed : as well
[07:46 am] skydiver  : thnx Ed :)
[07:47 am] apple  : thx E
[07:47 am] Ed : joey keeps it all to himself and the pretty ladies
[07:47 am] joeytsa  : :)
[07:47 am] qwert  : hahaha
[07:47 am] mikewd2 -: Obama to propose scaled-back budget package today, Bloomberg reports
[07:48 am] mikewd2 -: there it is
[07:48 am] Ed : cool
[07:48 am] skydiver  : quite the delay mike
[07:48 am] skydiver  : compared to Ed's news :)
[07:48 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, more supprised not seen on CNBC yet
[07:48 am] joeytsa  : schwab should be reporting that in about 2 hours haha
[07:48 am] Ed : lol
[07:48 am] skydiver  : funny joey :)
[07:49 am] apple  : haha
[07:50 am] joeytsa  : break time, see you in an hour
[07:50 am] skydiver  : see ya joey - enjoy
[07:50 am] shawn  : ed: I am short WYNN?
[07:50 am] Ed : u already had a 4 day break
[07:50 am] shawn  : Need your help
[07:50 am] apple  : have fun joey
[07:50 am] Ed : whats ur entry
[07:50 am] shawn  : 112.12
[07:51 am] Ed : just place stop 112.33
[07:52 am] mikewd2 -: good stop point, Ed - thats' a 10 cents over my pivot.
[07:52 am] Ed : cool thx mike
[07:53 am] Ed : take some off on this drop in here shawn and when u tak some off move remainerd to breakeven o
[07:53 am] mikewd2 -: missed re-entry on HLF after re-test of 30.00
[07:54 am] Ed : how u making it shawn
[07:54 am] shawn  : Thank you Ed. Already made good money
[07:54 am] mikewd2 -: nice play shawn
[07:54 am] Ed : do you still have a piece or your all out
[07:55 am] shawn  : All out
[07:55 am] Ed : ok
[07:55 am] Ed : nice play on HLF mike
[07:55 am] Ed : hey mike how is that thing going we spoke of
[07:56 am] mikewd2 -: forgot which thing? haha
[07:56 am] mikewd2 -: post me on FB
[07:56 am] Ed : ok
[07:57 am] qwert  : thx mitch
[07:58 am] scalpman  : cover 1/2 HLF s
[07:58 am] skydiver  : gotta go into the office . . . hope to get back on at the office for a bit later -- have a greast week-end all :)
[07:59 am] taco  : see ya sky
[07:59 am] skydiver  : :)
[07:59 am] apple  : have fun sky
[07:59 am] Ed : c ya sky
[08:01 am] mikewd2 -: Cook County, IL to impose $25-per-gun tax, Fox News reports - that's BS
[08:02 am] apple  : that's city of chicago
[08:03 am] mikewd2 -: i guess "right of freedom of speech" will be taxable if you say something they don't like.
[08:03 am] apple  : haha right
[08:06 am] mikewd2 -: nice move back on SSYS from lod
[08:11 am] scalpman  : cover 1/2 CHPD s
[08:13 am] mikewd2 -: nice scalp, roughly 50% retracement from hod/lod
[08:13 am] scalpman  : Cover 1/4 CPHD
[08:13 am] scalpman  : All out FB S
[08:13 am] Ed : nice trading scalp
[08:18 am] scalpman  : HOlding 1/4 CHPD S
[08:19 am] scalpman  : thanks mike
[08:21 am] scalpman  : All out
[08:21 am] scalpman  : CHPD s
[08:21 am] chinhngo  : where is new brinking tab
[08:21 am] scalpman  : CPHD
[08:22 am] scalpman  : holding 1/2 on HLF S
[08:22 am] taco  : nice trades scalp
[08:24 am] scalpman  : Cover 2/3 APC S
[08:25 am] scalpman  : Thanks taco!
[08:26 am] scalpman  : cover 1/4 HLF S
[08:28 am] scalpman  : 2 min SPY Sell signal
[08:29 am] scalpman  : reducing FAST S
[08:31 am] scalpman  : reducing FAST b.e.
[08:31 am] scalpman  : All out FAST S b.e.
[08:31 am] scalpman  : All out APC S
[08:31 am] shawn  : Ed: has Wynn bottomed?
[08:32 am] scalpman  : All out HLF - I am flat!
[08:34 am] reshef  : GTI
[08:35 am] scalpman  : ah...there goes FAST. too impatient
[08:36 am] Ed : see if can get closing candle above yesterdays clisng price, its a 50/50 trade not high probability
[08:37 am] Ed : one good thing is  can set it up for nice tight stop if u take it, using low of candles at 11:36est
[08:39 am] reshef  : VLO
[08:39 am] Ed : hope that helps shwan
[08:40 am] mikewd2 -: TSO also reshef
[08:40 am] mikewd2 -: refiners
[08:48 am] mikewd2 -: watching MLNX for top
[08:50 am] mikewd2 -: nice call on CRI, missed my entry
[08:52 am] taco  : MED is testing lows - dsr. swing idea
[08:53 am] mikewd2 -: wonder if MED gets the new year weight loss resolution bounce.
[08:55 am] taco  : hope so i have stop at 24.75
[08:56 am] qwert  : cya sky
[08:56 am] mikewd2 -: taco, you have a stop market? or stop limit?
[08:56 am] taco  : limit
[08:56 am] mikewd2 -: was wondering how that works on swings if it gapped down say a buck what happens.
[08:57 am] mikewd2 -: ok
[08:57 am] taco  : it starts selling at one price i enter and finished at a max -.02c lower which i entered
[08:58 am] taco  : i think..
[08:58 am] taco  : its small position too
[08:58 am] joeytsa  : wouldnt trigger if gaps past price though right?
[08:58 am] scalpman  : sell 1/2 VLO L
[08:58 am] taco  : dont think so joey
[08:59 am] taco  : which one triggers through a gap down?
[08:59 am] scalpman  : All out VLO L
[09:00 am] mikewd2 -: stop market would trigger i guess on gap down
[09:00 am] mikewd2 -: also would it trade premarket if stop is hit? or just during normal market hours
[09:00 am] mikewd2 -: this is what i've always been confused on
[09:00 am] taco  : bought /CL on dip sim.
[09:02 am] scalpman  : Sell 1/2 GTI S
[09:02 am] mikewd2 -: anyone know the answer on these swing stops?
[09:02 am] scalpman  : sorry cover
[09:02 am] taco  : i'll call my broker n ask
[09:02 am] reshef  : HD
[09:03 am] mikewd2 -: thanks taco would love to understand this.
[09:03 am] mikewd2 -: that's why i dont' put in stops on my swings - ie standing stop
[09:04 am] joeytsa  : stop-limits trigger at the stop-price and then turn into a limit order
[09:04 am] scalpman  : reshef GTI good one!
[09:04 am] mikewd2 -: right, but would they execute during premarket on a gap down?
[09:04 am] joeytsa  : but it the stopprice isnt hit to trigger i understand it to not be actice
[09:05 am] mikewd2 -: right, but again during normal hours or include premarket?
[09:05 am] joeytsa  : hmmm, that might be broker specific?  really not sure
[09:05 am] mikewd2 -: that was my concern, some of these stocks move alot premarket and wouldn't want necessarily to dump during it.
[09:06 am] mikewd2 -: I asked Mitch several times about how to handle this on DSR swings, but never got an answer.
[09:06 am] scalpman  : cover 1/4 GTI S
[09:06 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR lod
[09:08 am] joeytsa  : mike: the danger is on a gap, then your stop would not fill
[09:08 am] mikewd2 -: so your saying premarket prices do not count on your stop price
[09:09 am] joeytsa  : sorry, i mean if the stock just gaps without hitting the trigger
[09:09 am] taco  : for one of my brokers i have to set when the stop is good for
[09:09 am] mikewd2 -: oh
[09:09 am] scalpman  : All out GTI S..
[09:10 am] mikewd2 -: ok taco, so on TS duration of trade, there is GTC and GTC+, i assume that solves it.
[09:10 am] taco  : good till cancel, good till close?
[09:10 am] taco  : something like that
[09:11 am] mikewd2 -: likewise on Etrade, they have GTC and you chose the hours auto meaning normal hours, or ARCA hours
[09:11 am] mikewd2 -: great - i think we got it now.
[09:11 am] scalpman  : Time to go. Once again I was playing catch up all morning...trading to early. and making back most of my loss in the 2nd half.
[09:11 am] joeytsa  : enjoy the weekend scalp
[09:11 am] mikewd2 -: have a great weekend scalp,
[09:12 am] Ed : have great weekend scalp
[09:12 am] taco  : scalpman, keep spirits up
[09:12 am] qwert  : cya scalp
[09:12 am] scalpman  : I have a big sign now on my computer...NO TRADES until 9:15 CST
[09:12 am] apple  : bye scalp have a fun weekend
[09:12 am] scalpman  : bye guys.
[09:12 am] scalpman  : See you Monday is that a half day
[09:12 am] scalpman  : ?
[09:13 am] qwert  : yes half day
[09:13 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch, can you tell us how you handle stops on your DSR swings. Do you use a stop that is active all hours including premarket.
[09:13 am] mikewd2 -: and do you do stop/limit?
[09:16 am] scalpman  : Mitch: Do you use Lightning on a Daily Chart?
[09:17 am] scalpman  : Thanks qwert
[09:20 am] taco  : closed /Cl sim position
[09:20 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch must have left the room, he isn't answering questions.
[09:20 am] shawn  : ed: has NFLX Topped?
[09:21 am] joeytsa  : nice one taco
[09:21 am] taco  : 20 pips i think
[09:21 am] joeytsa  : yeah 20-25 ticks
[09:26 am] mikewd2 -: CRI hod
[09:27 am] taco  : looks like if a stock gaps down a new exit price has to be entered
[09:27 am] taco  : when a stop or limit gets passed by
[09:28 am] joeytsa  : makes sense
[09:28 am] murano  : IRM
[09:28 am] mikewd2 -: KORS moving
[09:31 am] mikewd2 -: AEZS getting some vol again
[09:31 am] mikewd2 -: just watching
[09:37 am] mikewd2 -: Schumer says that cliff deal is closer than many believe, The Hill reports
[09:38 am] skydiver  : thnx Mike for info
[09:39 am] apple  : thx mike, taking a little break - back in a bit
[09:39 am] skydiver  : enjoy apple
[09:39 am] joeytsa  : have fun apple
[09:39 am] taco  : c ya apple
[09:39 am] joeytsa  : thx for the info mike
[09:41 am] taco  : s YONG 5.62
[09:42 am] taco  : stop 5.67
[09:42 am] taco  : 5.53 target
[09:43 am] mikewd2 -: taco where you get shares at?
[09:43 am] taco  : IB
[09:44 am] mikewd2 -: ty
[09:50 am] taco  : moved my stop to 5.71 don't like doing this
[09:51 am] taco  : stopd
[09:52 am] mikewd2 -: yeah not a good idea taco, be disciplined.
[09:52 am] chinhngo  : watch qcor
[09:52 am] taco  : thanks mike
[09:55 am] joeytsa  : taco: giving yourself a 1:1 r/r is a tough way to go
[09:57 am] taco  : right, because i was on the lower end of the range there right?
[09:58 am] taco  : and my stop was so high
[09:58 am] joeytsa  : i wasnt just looking at it from your entry,target and stop
[09:58 am] joeytsa  : 2nd stop i mean
[09:59 am] taco  : right
[09:59 am] joeytsa  : original stop was a 2:1, but personally thats way to tight a range to trade
[10:04 am] mikewd2 -: Baker Hughes reports U.S. rig count down 11 to 1763
[10:04 am] joeytsa  : need some news to waken traders up
[10:04 am] chinhngo  : what mean stop was 2;1 mr joy
[10:06 am] joeytsa  : chin: its when your profit target is twice the stop, using 10cents for a profit target while only risking 5cents for example
[10:09 am] chinhngo  : thank joy
[10:09 am] chinhngo  : i learn a lot today thank all
[10:10 am] lisas  : Anyone using Tradestation futures account to get the CME fee waiver with Kinetick?
[10:26 am] joeytsa  : lunchtime, see you in 30
[10:27 am] jsn13  : ed, did u take M short?
[10:30 am] Ed : yes im in it
[10:30 am] skydiver  : me too . . :)
[10:30 am] mikewd2 -: me three
[10:30 am] lisas  : me sim
[10:30 am] skydiver  : nice :)
[10:30 am] jsn13  : where was ur entry?
[10:31 am] mikewd2 -: mine was 38.00
[10:31 am] Ed : 37.97
[10:31 am] skydiver  : mine 37.96
[10:31 am] Ed : nice netry mike
[10:31 am] lisas  : me too
[10:31 am] skydiver  : nice mike
[10:31 am] jsn13  : what time r ur entries?
[10:31 am] taco  : me four at 37.94
[10:32 am] Ed : 1:21 est
[10:32 am] mikewd2 -: 1:21 is when i got in also ed
[10:32 am] jsn13  : ok so where is ur 1st target?
[10:33 am] skydiver  : I was slow 1:22 is when I shorted it
[10:34 am] skydiver  : just  bounced up a bit old M
[10:34 am] mikewd2 -: well i'm out 37.79, my matrix hung up as i was trying to lower target.
[10:34 am] jsn13  : it is not moving down fast, the volume hinted that it is not going down much,,,,
[10:35 am] jsn13  : not sure if i have the analysis right...
[10:37 am] skydiver  : be back in 5 minutes . . at office and have to open some offices up
[10:38 am] jsn13  : ed, once u r done, i would like to know how u handle M after entering...thanks...
[10:39 am] mikewd2 -: back in 38.00
[10:40 am] Ed : just place entry and place stop, and let the action take its course
[10:41 am] Ed : its more patient trade
[10:41 am] jsn13  : did u adjust it to BE? if yes, when, if no why? How to be flexible? why should we be patient in this case? when not to be patient?
[10:42 am] jsn13  : sorry to bombard u with all the questions....i have been thinking of asking thses question since long ago...this looks like a perfect setup for me to ask them....
[10:42 am] Ed : will do my best to respond, like asking when you were driving and saw the kid why did you swerve right instead of left
[10:43 am] Ed : in other words have to think about it
[10:43 am] jsn13  : ok sure....
[10:44 am] jsn13  : sometimes i see u reverse the trades when they hold up, this time i see u give it more patience...was wondering if it is bcuz u have great setup, strong resistance or good signals or other reasons...
[10:45 am] Ed : best thing i can say is u know what hod is, and u look for short signal, if high is not take out time ur in trade, lets u kow has chance of working for you, and if u get drop act accordingly  like taking profits, if  u dot get chance to take profits on drop, and heads high, u focus on hod, if does not take it out, look for lower high
[10:45 am] Ed : if it takes out high, all bets are off, trade that just did not work out
[10:45 am] Ed : this is where focusing on big pic is key
[10:46 am] Ed : not if ur losing money but what is chart saying
[10:47 am] mikewd2 -: great my TS crashed
[10:47 am] lisas  : jsn, if you use a momentum indicator, you can see that while this looked like it might make a leg higher, the momentum was decreasing, so ok to give it time
[10:47 am] Ed : thats why mike took another shot at it
[10:47 am] chinhngo  : QCOR TREND UP NICELY
[10:47 am] jsn13  : so u have not take profit on part of ur position?
[10:47 am] lisas  : Mike, did you do the recent upgrade on TS?
[10:47 am] Ed : out and back at it
[10:47 am] Ed : out at 1st drop
[10:47 am] mikewd2 -: yes
[10:47 am] mikewd2 -: did you lisas?
[10:48 am] lisas  : I did the upgrade last week and had problems for a couple days, but windows also updated about the same time, so wasn't sure which it was. TS has been fine for me today
[10:48 am] mikewd2 -: it hit my target i'm out
[10:48 am] skydiver  : just got back . .. all out of M
[10:48 am] skydiver  : short
[10:48 am] jsn13  : ok cool ed...ur explanation gives me a different perspective...thanks alot...
[10:48 am] mikewd2 -: covered 37.75
[10:49 am] jsn13  : mike, u covered at the peak volume bar?
[10:49 am] mikewd2 -: i had a target and my TS hung up so it went during that candle
[10:49 am] mikewd2 -: i always place stop and target and then manage in matrix
[10:49 am] jsn13  : ok nice....if it did not hung up, where would u exit?
[10:50 am] mikewd2 -: 37.75 was first entry and was going to manually move it down and stop down
[10:50 am] mikewd2 -: but didn't get chance
[10:51 am] jsn13  : ok i think u caught a great price....
[10:51 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, lucky again
[10:51 am] jsn13  : haha...nice one...
[10:51 am] mikewd2 -: lisas, don't think i have the update yet. tried but i remember it crashed.
[10:52 am] jsn13  : thanks lisa for the explanation just now.....very helpful....
[10:56 am] lisas  : jsn, knowing if I should give a trade more time requires some descretion. I've found watching the momentum and volume helpful, as well as overall market action at the time. Never hurts to protect your capital if a trade doesn't do what you expected.
[10:56 am] lisas  : Mike, mine did update, and so I have update 13.
[10:56 am] jsn13  : when u said volume, what kind of behaviour r u looking for? in this case, how do u read the volume?
[10:57 am] reshef  : XOM
[10:57 am] mikewd2 -: SPY selling off
[10:58 am] apple  : back from break
[10:58 am] lisas  : did you see how volume jumped at about 1300 est? Hopefully you have a volume indicator that has red and green bars, but look at Ed's chart. See how you got some larger selling volume bars eventually, then on second leg up to retest HOD, the volume bars up were lower than initial volume bars starting at 1300
[10:58 am] taco  : covered 2/3 M
[10:59 am] jsn13  : ya i have it...
[11:00 am] taco  : all out
[11:00 am] jsn13  : how bout the down volume? do u care how the volume is like when it was coming down?
[11:01 am] taco  : /CL dropping
[11:02 am] lisas  : Not so much, but then I'm looking for predictive levels for targets, and trailing stop down to support and resistance levels. I have a momentum indicator also that I watch and if it continues to increase momentum in my direction, I try not to trail too close.
[11:02 am] lisas  : with Lightning now, I'm looking at that also
[11:02 am] jsn13  : u mean the indicator called Momentum Indicator?
[11:03 am] lisas  : There are a variety of momentum indicators, momentum is one, MACD is another,
[11:03 am] jsn13  : whta do u use?
[11:04 am] lisas  : I used MACD and a proprietary one I purchased
[11:04 am] jsn13  : ok thanks....
[11:04 am] jsn13  : where was ur 1st target?
[11:04 am] lisas  : so right now, Lightning is showing down trend is slowing, so moving my last portions trailing stop down
[11:04 am] jsn13  : and now what do u use to trail?
[11:05 am] lisas  : It was about 10 percent, or a 50% retracement. On M, I used 37.60. I'm sim and not trading it as carefully as I normally would
[11:07 am] lisas  : I've moved it to 37.66. A few cents above most recent hi candle
[11:08 am] lisas  : Actually taking off now, more wedding arrangements to make for son. Have a great weekend all!
[11:08 am] Ed : c ya lisa
[11:08 am] murano  : lisas, I use MACD also.  You have a MACD you purchased?
[11:08 am] taco  : bye lisa
[11:08 am] qwert  : bye lisa have a great weekend
[11:08 am] victor51  : Hi Lisas Do you use Bollinger retracement levels all the time for target or something else.
[11:08 am] jsn13  : take care lisa thanks for ur advices....
[11:08 am] apple  : have fun lisa
[11:09 am] jsn13  : ed, when u trade CL, do u look at SPY?
[11:09 am] lisas  : Victor, no, can explain more in email if you like. JSN, do you have lightning? It's good for keeping you in a trade
[11:10 am] victor51  : Have agreat time at wedding Lisas
[11:10 am] Ed : no, I look more at currencies when I trade CL
[11:10 am] jsn13  : ok understand lisa..but it is not very good when dealing with fat mover...
[11:10 am] jsn13  : did u take the ?CL long?
[11:11 am] jsn13  : /CL
[11:11 am] Ed : no not trading CL today
[11:12 am] jsn13  : ed, so what currencies do u look at for correlation when trading /CL?
[11:12 am] Ed : eur/usd and any of AUD and CAD correlations
[11:14 am] Ed : meant AUD and CAD pairs
[11:14 am] taco  : HLF
[11:14 am] taco  : quick drop down
[11:15 am] jsn13  : like 6E?
[11:15 am] Ed : i like using pairs
[11:15 am] Ed : just my preference
[11:17 am] jsn13  : ok thanks ed...
[11:18 am] jsn13  : qwert, r u here?
[11:19 am] qwert  : yes m here
[11:20 am] jsn13  : did u have any /CL trades today?
[11:20 am] qwert  : no only NG this am early
[11:21 am] joeytsa  : that was a nice move qwert
[11:21 am] jsn13  : ok no prob....where idid u get in on the /NG trade?
[11:21 am] qwert  : yeah i didnt get all of it but a nice move
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : i missed it because i hadnt changed contracts and didnt see it
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : until you mentioned that move premarket
[11:22 am] qwert  : i went long off that double bottom  seems to be the best and easiest entry
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : plus it had positive divergence on macd,stoch,and %r
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : very low risk trade
[11:23 am] qwert  : my favorite kind
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : :)
[11:24 am] jsn13  : ok thanks...what do u look for correaltion when u trade /CL and /NG?
[11:25 am] jsn13  : qwert, i meant correlation...
[11:26 am] qwert  : i dont just watching it on lightning and love the double bottom or top for entry
[11:26 am] qwert  : still really a newbie on the futures
[11:27 am] skydiver  : HLF is going up against the downward move of market :)
[11:28 am] jsn13  : thanks qwert....nice to know what is working for u...i'm a new newbie....haha...
[11:28 am] jsn13  : i mean in futures...
[11:29 am] qwert  : wow huge bounce in the CL
[11:29 am] joeytsa  : yeah 30+ ticks
[11:30 am] skydiver  : guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and start learning futures :)
[11:30 am] joeytsa  : just got sell signal on /CL
[11:30 am] apple  : nice, did you guys grab it?
[11:30 am] jsn13  : qwert, is that considered ur favourite setup on /CL?
[11:31 am] qwert  : yeah so far also easy to recognize
[11:31 am] jsn13  : qwert, where was the double bottom on /NG that u said u took it?
[11:31 am] jsn13  : what time?
[11:32 am] joeytsa  : it was early jsn, just before 5am pdt
[11:32 am] apple  : nice double bottom on 2 min
[11:32 am] qwert  : this am at 5:07 am pst
[11:33 am] jsn13  : was that a higher low or double bottom? I'm looking at NG 02-13 contract
[11:35 am] qwert  : i think it was a slightly lower low
[11:36 am] joeytsa  : lightning gave a lower low, price was basically a dbl bot
[11:36 am] joeytsa  : it was also darvis support
[11:37 am] jsn13  : ok...nice volume on the bottom...
[11:37 am] jsn13  : so, joey, u r looking at NG 02-13 right?
[11:37 am] joeytsa  : i dont use vol on futures
[11:37 am] mikewd2 -: i expect a sale off soon today, else will be supprised
[11:37 am] joeytsa  : yeah jsn
[11:37 am] murano  : If you took IRM short, I would cover most here
[11:38 am] joeytsa  : once lightning gave that buy signal it was a great r/r trade
[11:38 am] qwert  : yeah was watching NG on 4r
[11:38 am] joeytsa  : Mitch: NG 2-13  around 5am pdt
[11:39 am] joeytsa  : good point qwert, im watching 5R
[11:39 am] qwert  : actually have thr 5r right above to see both
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : even with a 10t stop loss, you had anywhere from 2-5:1 r/r depending on what you saw as a profit target
[11:40 am] jsn13  : ok thanks joey...
[11:41 am] joeytsa  : expecting a sell signal on /PL soon, not sure its tradeable..maybe 5-10 ticks?
[11:41 am] qwert  : joey what time frame are you watching CL on
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : 4R on /CL
[11:42 am] qwert  : im using 250V
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : 5R on NG,GC,PL
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : you can go crazy trying all the options haha
[11:43 am] joeytsa  : nice Mitch
[11:43 am] qwert  : wow nice
[11:43 am] joeytsa  : looks like a swing trade to me haha
[11:45 am] joeytsa  : i get nervous with using too long of a setting
[11:45 am] joeytsa  : futures can explode quick
[11:45 am] apple  : hmm, very interesting...
[11:46 am] joeytsa  : especially around a report or breaking news
[11:46 am] qwert  : Mitch do you recommend changing the setting t a longer one when you get ahead in a trade like NG this am
[11:46 am] qwert  : okay thx
[11:47 am] joeytsa  : Metacrawler?
[11:47 am] Ed : back then Mitch tradestation was 7500 basic and 10k for other version
[11:49 am] joeytsa  : i used to guess by looking at level 2 and delayed charts from bigcharts.com :)
[12:00 pm] joeytsa  : keeping an eye on ES levels 1403,1405
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : /GC in a support area, just watching
[12:10 pm] apple  : agree MK. always good to do
[12:10 pm] joeytsa  : agreed, definately have to have a stop
[12:11 pm] apple  : joey, did you grab GC off that low?
[12:11 pm] joeytsa  : no i didnt
[12:12 pm] mikewd2 -: sure would like to understand stop position on swings - lol
[12:12 pm] qwert  : always always have to have a stop ilearned that the hard way long ago
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : was coming off a lower high, might look for a short on next lower high, but time running out
[12:15 pm] mikewd2 -: Cliff impsase doesn't affect the US credit rating
[12:15 pm] apple  : jump in SPY
[12:17 pm] taco  : looks like trend change in HLF
[12:20 pm] apple  : nice 3 pt bounce on /Es
[12:26 pm] apple  : AAPL woke up
[12:28 pm] victor51  : Joey, is Monday full day or 1//2 day trading?
[12:29 pm] joeytsa  : someone mentioned earlier that it was a half day
[12:29 pm] joeytsa  : i honestly didnt know
[12:31 pm] Ed : full day on monday
[12:31 pm] apple  : thx E, good to know
[12:31 pm] joeytsa  : thats what i thought, wasnt sure
[12:31 pm] joeytsa  : still might make it a half day though  :)
[12:31 pm] Ed : but ur on ur own on Jan 1
[12:31 pm] apple  : /GC had a really nice move off the bottom
[12:31 pm] joeytsa  : hard to trade and watch bowl games at same time
[12:31 pm] Ed : true
[12:32 pm] apple  : watch bowl games joey... enjoy
[12:32 pm] joeytsa  : independence bowl on now, few others later
[12:32 pm] qwert  : so sorry i thought i had read that it was half day  just double checked and it is a full day
[12:33 pm] victor51  : thanks Ed. Nice trade on HLF sim. Did you take it?
[12:33 pm] joeytsa  : qwert trying to get off early haha
[12:33 pm] Ed : no did not take it
[12:33 pm] apple  : for good behavior
[12:33 pm] qwert  : yep thats what i told the slave driver  er wife
[12:34 pm] Ed : ahhhhhhhh
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : :)
[12:34 pm] apple  : laura is cool, how's she doing
[12:34 pm] qwert  : shes doing great shees happy our son is here so the family is complete
[12:34 pm] apple  : you guys are just too, too funny
[12:34 pm] apple  : great to hear
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : did she quit trading?
[12:35 pm] qwert  : shes taking a break from her apple trade
[12:35 pm] joeytsa  : oh ok
[12:35 pm] apple  : good, because AAPL has been comatose
[12:36 pm] qwert  : yeah thats why and the options were pricey
[12:38 pm] apple  : is someone speaking now on news?
[12:38 pm] apple  : thx E
[12:39 pm] skydiver  : sounds like clilff time
[12:39 pm] mikewd2 -: markets dieing
[12:39 pm] joeytsa  : got your parachute sky
[12:39 pm] skydiver  : yep :)
[12:39 pm] shark  : yeah
[12:40 pm] skydiver  : floating down safely now :)
[12:40 pm] joeytsa  : quick trade on ES
[12:40 pm] apple  : ha
[12:40 pm] apple  : good for you joey
[12:40 pm] shark  : nice joey
[12:40 pm] apple  : oppty for those guys to cover their shorts
[12:41 pm] mikewd2 -: stocks drop - obama not making a new cliff offer
[12:41 pm] mikewd2 -: my way or highway!
[12:42 pm] taco  : have a great weekend all. thanks Mitch Ed and all
[12:42 pm] Ed : c ya taco
[12:42 pm] skydiver  : take care taco - enjoy
[12:42 pm] joeytsa  : bye taco
[12:42 pm] apple  : bye taco have fun
[12:42 pm] shark  : bye taco
[12:43 pm] joeytsa  : when you get news that moves the /ES,  you usually also get a similar move on the /YM and /TF
[12:44 pm] mikewd2 -: UVXY has had a 10 point 60% run up last few days - wonder if garyb is making money
[12:44 pm] apple  : nice mike
[12:45 pm] joeytsa  : eddy played UVXY a lot too
[12:45 pm] joeytsa  : gary really like TNA and the reverse one
[12:45 pm] skydiver  : anyone know how eddy is doing?
[12:45 pm] shark  : VIX not too bad either
[12:45 pm] mikewd2 -: yeah, TZA
[12:45 pm] joeytsa  : yeah thats it
[12:45 pm] apple  : haven't talked to him sky, will email him
[12:46 pm] mikewd2 -: i talked to him a couple weeks ago, said he was still trading some
[12:46 pm] apple  : imiss eddy
[12:46 pm] mikewd2 -: that was garyb i was talking about
[12:47 pm] mikewd2 -: also talked to eddy the other day - i think he is done with day trading
[12:47 pm] skydiver  : ok - thnx for the info on eddy -- was wondering -- saw him on facebook with his son the other day
[12:48 pm] apple  : i miss gary as well
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : nice pullback on AAPL
[12:49 pm] shark  : AAPL 1% -UVXY 4%
[12:50 pm] apple  : i use tradestation.  lisa had to leave earlier
[12:50 pm] apple  : don't know.  will check it out.
[12:52 pm] apple  : everything dropping SOHU was moving
[12:53 pm] apple  : very nice MK
[12:53 pm] jsn13  : Mitch do u have 3 IB accounts and 3 Ninjatrader's licenses?
[12:54 pm] qwert  : Bye everyone have a great weekend  cya all on Monday morning
[12:54 pm] jsn13  : waive 2 datafeeds with just 1 license and 1 IB live funded account?
[12:54 pm] joeytsa  : bye qwert
[12:54 pm] Ed : c ya qwert
[12:54 pm] joeytsa  : Thanks Mitch,Ed, everyone..enjoy the weekend, see you monday
[12:54 pm] Ed : cya joey
[12:54 pm] apple  : bye qwert have fun with your family
[12:55 pm] apple  : bye joey have fun
[12:55 pm] joeytsa  : :)
[12:55 pm] shark  : got the video, thx Mitch!
[12:55 pm] jsn13  : i mean can u waive 2 datafeeds with 1 NT license and 1 IB live funded account?
[12:55 pm] shark  : bye joey!
[12:55 pm] skydiver  : have a nice week everyone -- see ya monday
[12:55 pm] joeytsa  : welcome back shark
[12:55 pm] skydiver  : week-end
[12:55 pm] apple  : thx MK, E and everyone.  have a wonderful weekend.
[12:57 pm] shark  : thx Mitch, Ed, everyone :)

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