Chat Highlights From 12/22/2011

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[06:15 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:17 am] Ed : good morning traders
[06:19 am] Brent : good morning
[06:26 am] Kris : don’t try to push too hard. we’re coming into the holiday and volume should continue to shrink the closer we get to the weekend.
[06:26 am] Kris : lol, good luck today everyone.
[06:26 am] Kris : stay selective
[06:30 am] Kris : AKAM long
[06:31 am] Kris : out half AKAM long
[06:31 am] Kris : VVUS long half
[06:32 am] Kris : move stop on last 1/4 to BE
[06:32 am] Kris : out another 1/4 AKAM long
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching ABX for bottom, patience
[06:33 am] Kris : CAVM long half
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching MJN for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching WBMD for bottom
[06:34 am] Kris : FFIV long half
[06:34 am] Kris : FNSR long half
[06:34 am] Kris : NVDA long half
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching CHKP for top
[06:36 am] Kris : out half FFIV long
[06:37 am] Mitch K: consider selling half of MJN long position
[06:38 am] Kris : CRUS long half
[06:38 am] Kris : out half FNSR long
[06:38 am] Mitch K: consider covering 1st helping short on CHKP
[06:38 am] Mitch K: if MJN holds 68.52 low, watching for 2nd long
[06:38 am] Mitch K: if you shorted MJN top consider covering most of short
[06:39 am] Mitch K: if MJN breaks below 68.52 than dont buy long and let short run down more
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching AM for bottom
[06:40 am] Ed : formula pulled from walmart MJN
[06:40 am] Ed : infant died
[06:40 am] Kris : out another 1/4 FNSR long
[06:40 am] Mitch K: really critical time for MJN here
[06:41 am] Kris : out half CAVM long
[06:41 am] Kris : will look for a pullback in FWLT to take long
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching IDCC for short
[06:42 am] Mitch K: AM trying to bounce
[06:43 am] Kris : CRM weak
[06:43 am] Kris : out half NVDA long
[06:43 am] Mitch K: American Greetings
[06:43 am] Mitch K: not trusting MJN for 2nd long yet
[06:44 am] Kris : “crap the bed”
[06:44 am] Kris : VWAP’s a little tight so I gotta see MJN really CTB
[06:44 am] Kris : watching MJN for a long on a 3MF
[06:44 am] Mitch K: consider covering CHIP if short
[06:44 am] Mitch K: consider selling WBMD, thanks Rusty for idea
[06:46 am] Kris : I was long half and got stopped pandoz, looking for a re-entry here soon on a 3MF
[06:46 am] Mitch K: if you went long MJN last 2 min, careful on that long, sell in increments
[06:47 am] Kris : VRTX short half
[06:48 am] Kris : FWLT pulling back, still waiting for the long
[06:48 am] Kris : V long half
[06:49 am] Kris : CHKP nice chart on the fade. gonna frame and hang that one.
[06:50 am] Kris : VECO short half
[06:51 am] Kris : SPY holding near the hod so far on this down cycle.
[06:52 am] Kris : long half FWLT
[06:52 am] Kris : watching VVUS for the long reversal soon
[06:52 am] Mitch K: looking for MJN to pull back again
[06:54 am] Mitch K: STJ toppy, watching for short soon
[06:55 am] Kris : accelerating price
[06:55 am] Kris : watching CNX for a short reversal
[06:56 am] Kris : CRUS trying to test hod[06:56 am] Kris : out half FWLT long
[06:59 am] Kris : CNX resistance around 38.00
[06:59 am] Mitch K: BSFT toppy
[06:59 am] Mitch K: FSLR turning over; late to short at this price, look for rebound for better price
[07:01 am] Mitch K: watching INHX for short
[07:03 am] Kris : CNX short half
[07:03 am] Kris : VVUS long half
[07:05 am] Kris : out half VECO short
[07:08 am] Ed : nice 1 Kris
[07:08 am] Kris : out all AKAM long
[07:08 am] Kris : out half VVUS long
[07:08 am] Kris : SODA frothy
[07:09 am] Brent : watching PHH for a bounce
[07:09 am] Mitch K: consider covering BSFT short
[07:10 am] Kris : just showing some volatility willm, heads up to keep an eye on it.
[07:10 am] Kris : no trade in it yet
[07:11 am] Kris : look to cover some CNX if you got it short
[07:11 am] Mitch K: if anyone short, FSLR bouncing
[07:14 am] Kris : I don’t see any historical price support, next would be whole dollars
[07:14 am] Kris : looking for another new hod in FWLT
[07:14 am] Kris : on PHH
[07:15 am] Kris : SPY moving up, see if we can break hod resistance
[07:16 am] Kris : good job joey, way to dig into the archives for that one!
[07:17 am] Kris : ILMN long half
[07:18 am] Kris : out another 1/4 VECO short
[07:19 am] Kris : diminishing returns willm, maybe if it retests the hod there would be enough money for me. not really here.
[07:19 am] Kris : fwiw[07:20 am] Kris : I’m just gonna add that to everything I say from now on.
[07:20 am] Kris : PHH long half
[07:22 am] Kris : out half ILMN long, not gonna give it much slack
[07:25 am] Kris : out another 1/4 ILMN long
[07:27 am] Kris : V new hod, gonna reduce here and protect my entry.
[07:27 am] Kris : well done go4it
[07:28 am] Kris : are you now went4it?
[07:29 am] Kris : out half PHH long, it’s fizzling, red flag on the reversal here.
[07:33 am] Kris : Things starting to slow a little
[07:34 am] Ed : DMND
[07:50 am] Mitch K: watching URI for bottom to buy
[07:51 am] Mitch K: watching DMND for 3rd helping short
[08:01 am] Mitch K: consider closing URI long
[08:13 am] Brent : PHH getting some increasing volume
[08:22 am] Mitch K: QLIK bouncing
[09:04 am] Ed : great call PHH, had to be patient
[09:18 am] Brent : SPY testing hod[09:41 am] Mitch K: PHH classic V bottom
[09:42 am] Ed : another bonus from King Mitch King
[09:54 am] Mitch K: could get a short here in PHH but harder than most shorts on the top of bounces,
[10:07 am] Mitch K: watching MJN for bottom
[10:08 am] Mitch K: haven’t checked news lately but MJN news could be rehashed with a little more negative twist, usually that’s what happens
[10:09 am] Mitch K: if you hear of another baby dying or someone dying then this takes another drop to new lows; haven’t heard that though
[10:10 am] Mitch K: 1 min chart on left 2 min on right, MJN
[10:10 am] Mitch K: let me change chart configurations
[10:11 am] Mitch K: can you guys check news, rusty? I watch chart, you check news
[10:11 am] Mitch K: should bounce here
[10:11 am] Mitch K: still not yet but approaching a bottom
[10:11 am] Mitch K: stochastics needs to flatten out and turn up before a good safer buy long
[10:12 am] Mitch K: looking for around 70 on MJN
[10:13 am] Mitch K: so you have to use limit orders because you orders often fill with all the volatility
[10:13 am] Mitch K: what these do is act like Old Faithful Geyser, up down, up down, higher high, down
[10:14 am] Mitch K: could have another long entry but more dangerous so lower your position size
[10:15 am] Mitch K: low of day is 67 on MJN
[10:15 am] Mitch K: new low coming
[10:16 am] Ed : no, formula pulled from shelf of Wal-Mart
[10:16 am] Ed : yes
[10:16 am] Mitch K: i have had tv off, was this MJN on CNBCtv?
[10:16 am] Mitch K: that was same news as earlier right ed?
[10:17 am] Ed : deushce bank did defend shares earlier
[10:17 am] Ed : no govt. recall has been ordered so far
[10:17 am] Mitch K: maybe new downgrade
[10:17 am] Mitch K: you making that up doji?
[10:18 am] Ed : thx light, was about to type
[10:18 am] Mitch K: oh, that’s the reason why it dropped again, i wouldn’t buy it now
[10:19 am] Mitch K: if you have MJN long now, look for 68.75
[10:19 am] Mitch K: ok, didn’t see it already hit that price
[10:21 am] Mitch K: not sure if this will help but competitors of MJN are KFT, TSN, CAG, SFD, Nestle. don’t think this will spike them though
[10:49 am] Mitch K: investors thinking that there is another shoe going to drop with MJN
[10:50 am] Mitch K: American terminology: it was normal to hear a neighbor removing shoes and hearing them hit the floor above. As one shoe made a sound hitting the floor, the expectation for the other shoe to make a similar sound was created.
[10:51 am] Mitch K: now what i do is look at daily chart on MJN, get snapshot in my head
[10:53 am] Mitch K: did anyone stay with that PHH short
[10:53 am] Mitch K: not much profit left in this short with PHH,
[10:57 am] Mitch K: should get small bounce in PHH
[10:57 am] Mitch K: well, maybe 30-40 cents is good
[11:02 am] Mitch K: that’s all i expected from PHH bounce
[11:04 am] Mitch K: only reason i liked PHH is the bounce of 40 cents on it was almost 4%
[11:08 am] Mitch K: i don’t see any indicators pointing up on MJN, not yet
[11:29 am] Ed : confirmation 2nd baby did not take Enfamil
[11:32 am] Mitch K: good job guys
[11:32 am] Mitch K: thx rusty
[11:52 am] Mitch K: ok, if MJN has a big drop, will give a long scalp, people will speculate on the long side on FIRST big drop
[12:02 pm] Ed : watching SD
[12:03 pm] Ed : circuit break halt
[12:03 pm] Ed : halted
[12:13 pm] Mitch K: what i have on the left chart is a 30 second chart, easier to read on these really high volume, high volatility fast moving stocks
[12:13 pm] Mitch K: you guys see what I was talking about earlier on MJN, that first drop
[12:14 pm] Mitch K: it doesn’t tend to work well on another drop or another one. think of a ball that you drop and the bounces are subsequently lower and lower….. same principle
[12:14 pm] Mitch K: now remember the three important words on that little trick, FIRST BIG DROP.
[12:15 pm] Ed : thx
[12:15 pm] Mitch K: good call on SD Eddie Money
[12:15 pm] Mitch K: i don’t know qwert, i just look at charts and look for a turn
[12:16 pm] Mitch K: ok nice tight spread on SD, 1-2 cents
[12:17 pm] Mitch K: a lot of good action today; very typical for Christmas week
[12:17 pm] Mitch K: good eye on SINA willm[12:35 pm] Mitch K: starting to watch MJN again
[12:36 pm] Mitch K: yes, i think MJN going to give another long scalp
[12:38 pm] Mitch K: there is your entry
[12:40 pm] Mitch K: not looking good, plus
[12:40 pm] Mitch K: we have only 19 minutes left
[12:47 pm] Mitch K: good rule of thumb on stocks like this. they are so volatile with so much volume, that you are likely to fill many different prices with limit order. YOU use market orders, based on your emotions, you might as well give to charity…. at least you get a deduction
[12:48 pm] Mitch K: probably lower low here coming on MJN, just a comment
[01:00 pm] Ed : have a great evening traders
[01:01 pm] Brent : have a good night, see you in the morning
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: pretty good day today, huh guys and girls? was real fun, lot of good action, good signals
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: well, that’s your Christmas present from the stock market
[05:59 am] joeytsa : lightning: who do you use for charting right now?
[05:59 am] lightning : I use e-signal.
[06:05 am] joeytsa : early gap up: TIBX,INFY
[06:05 am] doji : Futures retracted a little bid after the news at 8:30AM today
[06:05 am] joeytsa : early gap down: VVUS,AM,BBBY
[06:06 am] doji : YHOO and JNPR are also up Joey
[06:06 am] joeytsa : other than that i will watching my main stocks…not trading too much rest of the week
[06:06 am] willm : While watching a stock for top or bottom, I look at the stochastics and price to turn up or down. Is there any signal to enter a trade?
[06:07 am] doji : You mean your core stocks Joey: AMZN, APPL, PCLN, GOOG, BIDU, SINA, PANL. YOKU, NFLX….
[06:07 am] willm : Because I made wrong entries several times.
[06:08 am] doji : Look for support/resistance and the potential money on the trade Willm[06:08 am] joeytsa : dropped PANL,YOKU..added in CRM,CLF..and then any news movers
[06:08 am] joeytsa : i always keep an eye on GS too..follows the market fairly decently
[06:09 am] doji : I like GS also
[06:09 am] apple : me too
[06:09 am] joeytsa : i would not play YHOO…not enough move moneywise..unless i am playing that as a follow thru
[06:10 am] willm : Thx Doji, sometimes I can’t see support and resistance on my chart on small window. I put 4 charts on one 23″ monitor
[06:11 am] doji : Just switch between 1min, 3min and daily to indentify the S/R levels in advance; if you don’t know them then you are trading blind
[06:11 am] doji : use also the 50 and 200 SMA and the VWAP as area of S/R
[06:11 am] joeytsa : s/r is the name of the game
[06:12 am] doji : and incorporate pivots in your charts. All of them will give you a lot of references point
[06:12 am] willm : Thanks a lot.
[06:12 am] doji : and obviously the areas below 20 and above 80 on the stochastics for going long or short respectively
[06:13 am] doji : and look at the SPY; you don’t want to short a stock when there is an strong upside move on the SPY because sooner rather than later a stock will follow the market
[06:13 am] southernky : WHAT IS S/R
[06:13 am] joeytsa : BBBY will get some play today
[06:13 am] joeytsa : support/resistance
[06:13 am] doji : unless the move on the stocks is due to news that apply specifically to that stocks (i.e stock being downgraded/upgraded, etc)
[06:14 am] mikewd2 -: looks like WFT might continue it’s up trend
[06:15 am] doji : Use paper trade for at least 3months; see the action in the room when a stocks is called and then try to review the trade at the end of the day to understand why the stock was called
[06:15 am] joeytsa : mike: WFT?
[06:15 am] mikewd2 -: weatherford[06:15 am] doji : Most of the action is in the first 2 hours after the open
[06:20 am] willm : The chart on the right uses 5 and 20 MAs. I am using 5 and 15 as in DVDs. Which is better?
[06:21 am] joeytsa : willm: both work well, it’s what works best for you…there are no magic settings
[06:21 am] joeytsa : i use 5/15 still
[06:21 am] joeytsa : also use 8/21 for longer setups
[06:23 am] doji : I see the futures weak…. but you never know with the market
[06:24 am] derns : doji..how do you determine the futures are weak, when the premarket shows up?
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: anyone go long on VXX?
[06:27 am] qwert : anybody looking at AM down almost 12percent and only 29k volume
[06:28 am] joeytsa : qwert: AM on my gap list
[06:31 am] joeytsa : ABX freefall[06:32 am] mikewd2 -: SHLD on the move
[06:32 am] joeytsa : nice quick one kris[06:32 am] rusty : WBMD ALERT
[06:33 am] joeytsa : MJN watch
[06:33 am] doji : AKAM very strong
[06:34 am] mikewd2 -: AKAM buying a competitor
[06:36 am] rusty : FMCN radar
[06:37 am] rusty : low volume moving straight up
[06:39 am] rusty : VIX VXX lod[06:40 am] joeytsa : I’m short MJN
[06:40 am] mikewd2 -: IDCC on the move
[06:40 am] skydiver : Thanks ED for the info
[06:41 am] joeytsa : stopped on MJN, decent
[06:42 am] joeytsa : the ES close to 1245
[06:42 am] mikewd2 -: BSFT
[06:42 am] joeytsa : low vol mike…be careful
[06:42 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, see that ty[06:42 am] joeytsa : saw it a few minutes, that’s why i didn’t post
[06:43 am] joeytsa : CHKP real nice short…great call
[06:43 am] rusty : MJN lod[06:43 am] mikewd2 -: upgraded to $45 target on BSFT
[06:43 am] apple : very nice CHKP thx
[06:44 am] joeytsa : AM down on 3q profit decline
[06:45 am] rusty : MJN near 200dma
[06:45 am] rusty : should find some support there short term
[06:45 am] pandozzi : kris u still short vvus[06:45 am] pandozzi : i me long
[06:46 am] joeytsa : wonder if that latest red candle was time lag or 1 more down move coming
[06:46 am] mikewd2 -: SHLD moving strong up
[06:46 am] zentrader : gm all. Missed MJN, dang
[06:47 am] joeytsa : BIDU hod[06:47 am] rusty : watching VXX, VIX for long…into any significant market strength or eod[06:48 am] mikewd2 -: out SHLD, nice 3%
[06:48 am] joeytsa : tighten stop if anyone long BIDU
[06:49 am] joeytsa : watching CRM for a breakdown..may not get it
[06:49 am] mikewd2 -: SHLD giving some back
[06:51 am] apple : watching GMCR
[06:55 am] joeytsa : small market pop
[06:55 am] joeytsa : decent consumer sentiment #
[06:56 am] joeytsa : tighten stop on CRM if short
[06:57 am] mikewd2 -: AKAM a bit of a breakout 100d high
[06:59 am] apple : GS hod[06:59 am] rusty : C hod[07:00 am] joeytsa : nice of Fitch to once again warn US debt burden threatens AAA rating
[07:00 am] joeytsa : amazing how great the economy is all of a sudden though
[07:00 am] rusty : same guys who upgraded homebuilders at the high
[07:01 am] Mitch K: good one on CRM short joey
[07:01 am] doji : SPY really strong today…
[07:01 am] joeytsa : thanks Mitch..just one of the stocks in my flock
[07:01 am] apple : very nice on CRM joey
[07:03 am] joeytsa : DECK looks weak
[07:06 am] joeytsa : GOOG near recent high..can it break thru this time…on the daily
[07:06 am] doji : Long half VVUS
[07:06 am] doji : with you Kris
[07:06 am] skydiver : out 1/2 of BSFT short
[07:08 am] mikewd2 -: nice apple
[07:08 am] doji : Kris, please tell me when you add to VVUS if
[07:09 am] apple : soda
[07:09 am] joeytsa : trailing stop hit on DECK, bucket drop
[07:09 am] willm : SODA frothy means long or short Kris?
[07:09 am] skydiver : all out of BFST
[07:10 am] joeytsa : DECK came up touched me out and drop 20+ cents..^##$
[07:14 am] willm : Where is PHH support?
[07:14 am] joeytsa : $0
[07:15 am] joeytsa : willm: actually some support in this area from feb “09
[07:16 am] joeytsa : then the $10 area, $8.50,$6.50…
[07:17 am] joeytsa : sometimes you have to keep looking back…learned that in my swing trading days
[07:18 am] willm : FSLR moving up, 2nd short possible?
[07:19 am] joeytsa : willm: what platform are you using?
[07:19 am] doji : PHH reversing
[07:20 am] doji : What is fwiw???
[07:20 am] joeytsa : for what it’s worth doji[07:21 am] doji : AKAM a runner!
[07:21 am] joeytsa : DECK might want to give another short soon
[07:23 am] joeytsa : break time…keep eye on CRM/DECK for weakness, BIDU for more upside on a break thru r1?
[07:23 am] observer : nice call, ILMN, Kris
[07:25 am] joeytsa : vix sitting at 20.73…as it moves lower i keep hearing Mitch’s voice in my head
[07:26 am] go4it : Thanks for VECO Kris Stopped out at 3% profit
[07:27 am] apple : good job go4it
[07:27 am] skydiver : Nice go4it
[07:28 am] Ed : nice job go4it
[07:28 am] lightning : PHH has flattened, tightening stop here
[07:34 am] skydiver : wow on DMND
[07:35 am] jsn13 : any news on DMND?
[07:35 am] doji : What are the news Rusty?
[07:35 am] rusty : don’t see any so far
[07:37 am] rusty : DMND short interest is huge so prone to spiking up
[07:37 am] skydiver : S DMND 29.41
[07:38 am] doji : Willm, did you catch DMND at 10:36AM ET? That is when I wait to enter the trade
[07:39 am] doji : 10:34 top volume, confirmed at lower volume at 10:35. I enter the trade at the open at 10:36
[07:39 am] doji : on this case my entry was 29.43
[07:40 am] doji : VVUS
[07:41 am] rusty : looks like DMND passworded their webpage – that’s where I got the news last time
[07:41 am] skydiver : covered DMND 29.11
[07:41 am] rusty : http://www.mydmnd.com
[07:43 am] Mitch K: that’s a lot of profit you gave up on DMND from that 28.65 low skydiver, try using a little price action plus it was down 1.45 on a 28.50 stock, good quick profit
[07:44 am] skydiver : Thanks Mitch — got nervous — control the emotions 🙂
[07:44 am] Mitch K: you can’t use the indicators on a fast moving stock in short timeframe
[07:44 am] skydiver : gotcha – thnx[07:44 am] Mitch K: the indicators will be behind the stock too far. indicators work good if stock moves a little slower than this one, DMND
[07:45 am] theen3my : n1 Kris on V made my day still in half
[07:45 am] doji : out 1/2 DMND
[07:46 am] doji : trailing second 1/2 DMND S
[07:47 am] apple : great job doji[07:47 am] doji : Thanks Apple, and still keeping half on VVUS long
[07:48 am] doji : And also my short in SLB…. just watching it from time to time…. wife keeping me busy
[07:50 am] rusty : for anyone who likes the VIX or VIX etf’s long…might consider selling some puts here
[07:54 am] doji : DMND at trendline support
[07:54 am] skydiver : watching DMND
[07:55 am] doji : DMND need to move up more…
[07:56 am] doji : could move to 33 if enough push
[07:57 am] skydiver : nice call on URI Mitch
[07:57 am] go4it : Kris lol I remain go4it but not so much… getting more conservative as you are
[07:58 am] rusty : ECYT might be another one for Jan effect list…trading below cash
[07:58 am] rusty : also has recent insider buying
[07:58 am] observer : DMND screaming
[07:58 am] rusty : need to check if their pipeline is any good
[07:58 am] apple : very nice on URI – thx MK
[08:01 am] skydiver : URL getting nicer 🙂 L URI @ 29.53
[08:01 am] weston : nice Skydiver
[08:01 am] skydiver : all out of URI 29.86
[08:01 am] Ed : nice sky
[08:02 am] skydiver : got to love TSA 🙂
[08:02 am] doji : DMND broke trendline [08:04 am] skydiver : Another green day – my wife is Irish so I need to respect her love for green 🙂
[08:04 am] Brent : good work sky
[08:05 am] apple : QLIK had a nice run down
[08:05 am] skydiver : Thnx Brent — still lots to learn but getting there 🙂
[08:08 am] michael : Brent/Kris, will you take another shot at PHH?
[08:11 am] rusty : C hod[08:12 am] zentrader : l PHH
[08:13 am] doji : PHH
[08:15 am] theen3my : apparently phh going to zero
[08:16 am] doji : 10 should be a natural support
[08:16 am] weston : PHH basically just free falling now
[08:17 am] rusty : volume increasing
[08:17 am] doji : phh 3MIN fade?
[08:19 am] thomasohana : FSLR hod[08:19 am] scalpman : PHH L @ 10.81 avg[08:19 am] rusty : note volume spike at PHH bottom
[08:21 am] rusty : FSLR hod[08:23 am] rusty : RAM worth watching over next couple of days
[08:23 am] rusty : getting a bit extended
[08:24 am] scalpman : Stopped on PHH
[08:24 am] rusty : PHH nlod[08:24 am] fxbo : PHH has no obvious support, so it breaks down again
[08:25 am] fxbo : but wait for bear trap soon
[08:25 am] fxbo : if it gives us bear trap
[08:25 am] rusty : watch for volume and long candle down
[08:25 am] theen3my : bars getting bigger on phh possible reversal soon
[08:26 am] zentrader : PHH
[08:27 am] joeytsa : PHH turned into a d o g
[08:28 am] aussie123 : PHH …… put/call 2000 to 1
[08:28 am] jsn13 : Mitch any thoughts on PHH?
[08:29 am] zentrader : I’m long PHH 10.03 will stop under 9.79
[08:29 am] fxbo : Room Monitors: what are your thoughts on PHH?
[08:29 am] weston : I am long 10.15
[08:30 am] weston : a very small position
[08:31 am] doji : No strong buy on PHH compared to the big drop from over 13
[08:31 am] rusty : SQNS hod[08:31 am] Brent : I’m going to pass on PHH fxbo[08:31 am] fxbo : yess, too risk
[08:32 am] fxbo : from daily chart view
[08:32 am] rusty : RIMM just off hod with volume spike
[08:33 am] derns : rusty…I tried to short RIMM about 8 mins ago..no shares to short at Schwab
[08:33 am] joeytsa : schwab isn’t the greatest for shorts
[08:33 am] fxbo : phh broken down again
[08:33 am] zentrader : out PHH
[08:33 am] derns : you are correct joey..frustrating[08:33 am] lightning : I still don’t see any PHH news.
[08:34 am] rusty : there’s lots of PHH news
[08:34 am] joeytsa : yeah, one of the reasons i switched
[08:34 am] Ed : rimm shares for short should be plentiful
[08:34 am] lightning : I guess I missed it rusty. There’s nothing on flyonthewall[08:34 am] go4it : What’s the news Rusty?
[08:35 am] doji : On PHH?
[08:35 am] rusty : not today but recently
[08:35 am] doji : They won’t be able to pay their debt in 2013
[08:35 am] derns : lighning…PHH has rec’d negative outlook by S&P..downgrade of debt
[08:35 am] rusty : credit related
[08:35 am] lightning : ok, thanks.
[08:35 am] doji : from S&P
[08:36 am] fxbo : PHH daily chart looks ugly
[08:36 am] jsn13 : Would u play the bounce for PHH in this case Doji?
[08:37 am] doji : Nooooooo JNS13, it’s in a free fall now
[08:37 am] derns : PHH: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/reute rs/SIG=12net9rhe/*http://www.reuters.com/arti cle/2011/12/21/markets-ratings-phhcorp-idUSWN A685020111221?feedType=RSS&feedName=m arketsNews &rpc=43
[08:37 am] Ed : phh is “pushing up daisies”
[08:37 am] rusty : VIX hod[08:37 am] derns : not sure if that helps on PHH, but look at Yahoo finance
[08:37 am] joeytsa : more like phhhheww[08:37 am] rusty : here comes PHH volume again
[08:37 am] jsn13 : Haha so we probably won’t see any exhaustion soon right?
[08:38 am] doji : FSLR moving on the news Germany Solar Co. just declared “insolvent”
[08:38 am] joeytsa : solar in tough shape
[08:39 am] doji : Anyone took PHH at 9?
[08:40 am] doji : Not me for sure
[08:40 am] fxbo : not me
[08:40 am] apple : i wish
[08:40 am] jsn13 : Nope….
[08:40 am] fxbo : but this volume spike is better than last vol spike
[08:41 am] doji : Fully agree fxbo, good point
[08:41 am] thomasohana : solar is only in tough shape because of the many fed and state tax incentives, they’re counting on fed/state money to float their bills, that’s what the company i work for does. Terrible mismanagement of money
[08:42 am] rusty : and a lot of excess capacity
[08:42 am] jsn13 : The chart looks real good but the point is where to put the bet? besides at 9 bucks?
[08:42 am] joeytsa : yep
[08:42 am] Ed : the solar co. pelosi brother owns got 750million from gov[08:42 am] apple : EMR took a nice dive today
[08:42 am] joeytsa : what a joke ed[08:42 am] doji : Nice Ed… that is brotherhood
[08:43 am] thomasohana : Ed my company takes millions every month
[08:43 am] lightning : Ed, no doubt she bought shares in it just before it was awarded that $
[08:43 am] thomasohana : they call it “tranching”
[08:43 am] Ed : 4sure
[08:44 am] doji : PHH consolidating?
[08:44 am] Ed : china laughs at our business model for solar
[08:45 am] apple : that’s pretty loud
[08:45 am] rusty : on these waterfall stocks you have to watch the volume carefully
[08:45 am] fxbo : my jobs involves some solar
[08:45 am] rusty : it’s the best indicator of an inflection point
[08:45 am] thomasohana : mine too fxbo, construction project manager here
[08:45 am] joeytsa : yep rusty
[08:45 am] weston : so … looking at the volume, are we looking at it spike?
[08:46 am] rusty : volume is the sum of everyone’s opinion
[08:46 am] lightning : AM new low
[08:46 am] apple : thx light
[08:46 am] rusty : and when everyone is running out of the burning room….
[08:46 am] fxbo : to support rusty: look at OLIK’s big green bar, now bounce is more reasonable
[08:47 am] doji : FSLR S
[08:47 am] fxbo : QLIK’s bounce now is better than previous bounce
[08:48 am] doji : QLIK reversing fxbo[08:49 am] rusty : http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20111222-t3b p-139kb.jpg PHH and volume
[08:49 am] fxbo : doji: I like QLIK’s this bounce better than previous bounce called by MK
[08:49 am] weston : rusty, what is the yellow line in your graph?
[08:49 am] rusty : biggest volume spike at the exact low
[08:50 am] derns : rusty…nice chart…thx for sharing
[08:51 am] apple : those are the ones we like best…
[08:51 am] rusty : stochastic weston[08:53 am] dano : hi gang, long time no see
[08:54 am] joeytsa : champagne sales in US reaching pre-recession levels…really??
[08:54 am] dano : hope you guys have been rocking the joint
[08:55 am] thomasohana : C hod[08:55 am] joeytsa : dano: was thinking about you yesterday, how you been
[08:56 am] dano : been ok..thnx for the thought. That’s what I’m saying…you guys make it nice to be here
[08:56 am] joeytsa : was just gonna say hi, hadn’t seen you here
[08:57 am] dano : yea, after my last string of losses, I decided to shut down the whole smash
[08:58 am] joeytsa : thought wall st kicked you outta the game for trying to short enron last month 🙂
[08:58 am] dano : stayed away from anything trading related for the last month
[08:58 am] joeytsa : sometimes that’s best
[08:58 am] joeytsa : take that time to figure out what ‘type’ of trader you are/want to be
[08:59 am] dano : not a thing…looking to clear the mind 1st before re-engaging
[08:59 am] joeytsa : smart to do that
[08:59 am] dano : start back fresh
[09:00 am] dano : thought I’d come here and say hi and wish everyone a nice x-mas
[09:00 am] joeytsa : same to you
[09:02 am] lightning : to you as well dano[09:03 am] dano : thnx. I will pop in and out over the next few weeks to check you guys out and slowly work on strategy and management
[09:03 am] doji : Finally PHH moved slowly upward
[09:04 am] joeytsa : keep at it
[09:04 am] dano : meanwhile I will spin one plate at a time. Luv this stuff but time to try a different approach than previous 1
[09:04 am] doji : That sounds like a plan already Dano[09:05 am] apple : smart dano — glad to see you
[09:05 am] dano : …a little reading as well..”zone” and “disc trader”
[09:05 am] storage : PHH looks just like the stock Mitch called for us tick by tick
[09:05 am] apple : PHH beautiful
[09:05 am] dano : those reads are helping already…
[09:06 am] jsn13 : Anyone played PHH? Ed what price did u get in?
[09:06 am] fxbo : storage: I did not get it,
[09:06 am] lightning : I got a taste of PHH, but did not maximize my profit. A little profit nonetheless.
[09:06 am] fxbo : what make you or MK call it a buy?
[09:06 am] apple : better than a loss
[09:06 am] joeytsa : heck yeah
[09:07 am] storage : I did not the other day but I am in Phh[09:07 am] fxbo : dano: I was there before
[09:08 am] chinhngo : can i go long phh at 9.84 is ok or too late?
[09:08 am] Brent : too late in my opinion chingo fwiw[09:09 am] jsn13 : Brent what price and which bar would u go in? for PHH?
[09:09 am] Ed : take care dano[09:10 am] joeytsa : agreed brent at 10.84 r/r is 1:2…needs a strong push thru 10
[09:10 am] storage : On 12/15 Mitch called play by play for use on ATHN, what a great lesson.
[09:11 am] joeytsa : great lesson storage
[09:11 am] apple : that was very exciting that day
[09:11 am] Brent : 11:40 $9.35 area JSN
[09:12 am] joeytsa : and there’s the 1:2 rr…hit it exactly
[09:12 am] fxbo : Storage: ATHN differs from PHH on daily and 1 m chart
[09:13 am] joeytsa : i guess you could also say the r/r was 2:1 if you went short 🙂
[09:17 am] willm : DECK jumping up
[09:17 am] joeytsa : NYX big spikes
[09:17 am] joeytsa : for them
[09:18 am] fxbo : storage: I compared ATHN of 12/15 and PHH of today on 1 m chart, quite different!
[09:19 am] joeytsa : willm: be careful on DECK..might move up, but in a downtrend and in-between pivots, and making a lower high at the moment
[09:21 am] storage : fxbo , not the charts as much just the mental ply.
[09:23 am] storage : Believe me I am not give any advice to anyone.
[09:23 am] fxbo : storage: well I cannot read other’s mind. anyway, I thought I could learnt something
[09:23 am] joeytsa : PHH nice break above 10
[09:24 am] joeytsa : the ES really looks like it might want 1250
[09:24 am] storage : Well I am the one who needs to learn a lot.
[09:24 am] fxbo : I might played ATHN if I saw it (new to the room only this week)
[09:25 am] joeytsa : if it can push thru 1250 with some conviction, just might get that run to 1300 eoy[09:26 am] fxbo : be careful on your long of PHH
[09:28 am] doji : PHH could push up to 12 where it consolidated before dropping to below 9
[09:30 am] fxbo : doji: I doubt PHH would pass 11
[09:30 am] derns : joey…I know you don’t swing trade, but what are your thots on taking TNA on a swing?
[09:31 am] fxbo : it may if SPY break out
[09:31 am] joeytsa : needs to push thru 10.80, but holding support
[09:35 am] Ed : joey u setup ur compute
[09:36 am] joeytsa : it’s a work in progress ed haha [09:36 am] thomasohana : NFLX hod[09:36 am] apple : SOHU hod[09:37 am] Ed : it took me a few hours to get everything like i wanted, more like day and 1/2
[09:37 am] joeytsa : yeah, i connected everything last night…today will be download and esignal sign up…
[09:37 am] rusty : SQNS nhod[09:37 am] joeytsa : then it’s on to building charts, workspaces etc[09:38 am] Ed : the fun stuff
[09:38 am] joeytsa : 1 thing i absolutely hate about lightspeed is that you can’t access it at night
[09:38 am] apple : right
[09:38 am] Ed : did not know
[09:39 am] joeytsa : so you have to build any pages you want in a certain timeframe
[09:39 am] thomasohana : does anyone know where to get the vwap indicator for ninja trader?
[09:39 am] rusty : PHH almost back to regression line
[09:40 am] rusty : watch the volume for last minute chasers
[09:40 am] Ed : a plus being on pst.
[09:41 am] apple : good point E
[09:41 am] joeytsa : so i will start with ls, then in order NT,madscan, esignal[09:41 am] joeytsa : actually first i have to arrange the monitor display
[09:42 am] apple : very nice MK
[09:42 am] joeytsa : yeah went from a dog to a monster
[09:42 am] doji : Good that I took it on the second long help
[09:43 am] apple : very good doji[09:43 am] fxbo : short PHH now
[09:43 am] rusty : reading the PHH comments in the lobg- good example of trading and emotions
[09:43 am] Ed : true rusty
[09:44 am] rusty : and how when its most difficult or unnatural to buy….the bottom occurs
[09:44 am] apple : right
[09:45 am] pandozzi : thx a lot on phh mitch made 10g on the trade
[09:45 am] storage : Rusty what a great comment
[09:45 am] pandozzi : brent[09:45 am] thomasohana : nice pandozzi!
[09:45 am] pandozzi : my best in awhile
[09:45 am] thomasohana : well played sir
[09:45 am] lightning : lol, I did not. way to go pandozzi[09:45 am] apple : EXPE hod[09:45 am] observer : great play pan
[09:45 am] Ed : someone once said it ur “discipline” that will make u the most money when u learn system of trading
[09:46 am] Ed : oh that was Mitch King
[09:46 am] apple : excellent pand[09:46 am] pandozzi : like a hunter sit and wait
[09:46 am] Ed : nice pandozzi[09:46 am] apple : right, especially if you have the alert
[09:46 am] thomasohana : but know what u want to shoot at
[09:47 am] fxbo : where are those who longed PHH when PHH is at its low?
[09:47 am] fxbo : be real!
[09:48 am] rusty : agree fxbo….if you don’t post your entry…probably better not to post your profits
[09:48 am] fxbo : easy to say after fact
[09:48 am] lightning : I didn’t pick up PPH at the low, but at 9:57.
[09:48 am] lightning : 9.57
[09:48 am] rusty : just my opinion after years of trading
[09:48 am] pandozzi : still have 2500 shares phh stop @10.99
[09:48 am] jsn13 : I really have to ask this, how can u still decide to go in after u got stopped out 3 times? for PHH, at 10.80, 10.10 areas? what is in ur mind that u would take it long at bottom at 9 bucks? with the potential loss of more than 2% if it turned down again?
[09:49 am] fxbo : I only saw one or two who post his long when PHH is relatively low
[09:49 am] Ed : for the ones that did trade it, they were focusing on the action in the tape
[09:49 am] fxbo : JSN13, agree
[09:50 am] lightning : I actually traded PHH using a 2-min chart, and entered when the 5MA turned up. I reduced my normal position size to account for the wider stop.
[09:50 am] doji : peak on volume and price exhaustion jns13
[09:51 am] Ed : i make it a rule to pass after 2nd stop, if I decide to take that 2nd entry.
[09:51 am] apple : right pandozzi!
[09:51 am] jsn13 : no point getting it when it’s already up more than 3% off the bottom? almost went in but got hooked up at the stop loss….cos u guys r saying its very dangerous…..
[09:51 am] fxbo : I mentioned on good volume but did not think long at PHH low
[09:51 am] Brent : I found that trendlines help a lot in situations where a stock is down or up huge.
[09:51 am] jsn13 : freaked out after that day for VHC…..
[09:52 am] Brent : If I’ve stopped more than twice, I will usually wait for a more rounded bottom, or a break of trend
[09:52 am] apple : makes sense
[09:52 am] jsn13 : so u won’t care too much bout price?
[09:52 am] fxbo : out my short of PHH
[09:52 am] pandozzi : ya know apple i was bumping and running so quick these guys want me to post my entry. was just thanking mitch that’s all and letting my fans know i made a nice score
[09:53 am] joeytsa : with ya pandozzi[09:54 am] apple : you da man, pand!
[09:54 am] fxbo : Pandozzi: Please post your thought on your long after your entry, even now is not too late, not just profit
[09:55 am] apple : sometimes you are too busy with a trade to post — we understand — same here
[09:59 am] pandozzi : a great Christmas since I’ve started at tsa baby!!
[09:59 am] apple : hey, everyone, we all learn from one another
[09:59 am] Mitch K: nice pandoz[10:00 am] michael : Oh, and I shorted PHH from 11.16 to 10.98, honest
[10:01 am] rusty : and my GMCR short from 110
[10:07 am] fxbo : will PHH behave like MJN?
[10:08 am] michael : pandozzi, I’m really happy for you, that’s great money
[10:08 am] weston : nice pandozzi[10:09 am] pandozzi : i listen to mitch most of the time he puts me on a track to run with
[10:10 am] pandozzi : thx michael there’s a lot of losses in there too
[10:11 am] rusty : watch MJN for volume
[10:11 am] zentrader : ya – watching MJN
[10:11 am] rusty : now is the time to watch carefully
[10:11 am] willm : Thx Mitch we need that kind of guidance
[10:12 am] rusty : no new dead babies
[10:12 am] Mitch K: should approach 70, just under
[10:16 am] rusty : waterfall panic watch for another bottom
[10:16 am] willm : MJN stopped out
[10:17 am] rusty : news is rehashed
[10:17 am] rusty : same as before
[10:17 am] doji : 2nd baby may be sick from MJN formula…
[10:17 am] zentrader : gotta be nimble with this MJN
[10:17 am] willm : Is it good to reenter MJN long here
[10:17 am] lightning : Missouri says second baby had bacterial infection from formula, AP says
[10:18 am] doji : AP news
[10:18 am] rusty : what time on that doji?
[10:18 am] doji : 1:04 PM ET
[10:19 am] doji : And that is the time MJN started to dwontrend[10:19 am] rusty : who is MJN competition?
[10:19 am] rusty : if any
[10:19 am] doji : Gerber?
[10:19 am] rusty : someone should look up competition and go long
[10:19 am] Ed : i would pass willm if not already long
[10:20 am] apple : carnation would be one
[10:20 am] willm : Thx Ed, I lost in MJN
[10:20 am] syang : can i go long AM now?
[10:21 am] lightning : according to Yahoo, companies in the same sector are: UN, GIS, K, SLE and CAG. Not sure if these are direct competitors or not.
[10:21 am] Ed : it happens, willm that’s the good thing about having stops
[10:21 am] rusty : Danone and Nestle competitors to MJN
[10:21 am] rusty : fwiw[10:22 am] Mitch K: willm, you should get used to how we handle these before trying too early in your learning curve. this one was advanced trade
[10:22 am] willm : I see Mitch, I jumped in early
[10:23 am] chinhngo : can i go long mjn at 68.10?
[10:23 am] rusty : no volume indication on MJN just lower
[10:23 am] michael : lol rusty
[10:24 am] doji : MJN to challenge previous low at 67
[10:25 am] chinhngo : so buy mjn at 67 is ok?
[10:25 am] willm : Can I go long in NFLX?
[10:26 am] willm : NFLX dropping
[10:26 am] Brent : I don’t care for NFLX here willm[10:27 am] Ed : i would pass chinhngo bounces are weak and downtrend still intact
[10:27 am] chinhngo : thank ed[10:27 am] rusty : don’t give up on MJN…watch the volume and pace
[10:28 am] rusty : even if not trading worth watching
[10:28 am] fxbo : rusty: agree
[10:28 am] Ed : always
[10:28 am] chinhngo : ed please signal when you long mjn thank advanced
[10:29 am] jsn13 : Ed and Brent do u guys use pivots to improve ur accuracy? if yes what are the settings on ninja trader?
[10:29 am] Ed : just covered short
[10:29 am] rusty : I will post if I see any volume spike
[10:29 am] chinhngo : may be another athn or phh[10:29 am] doji : Did you short MJN Ed?
[10:29 am] Brent : I don’t use pivots jsn[10:29 am] rusty : I just covered my Enron stock
[10:30 am] Ed : yes,
[10:30 am] doji : I was thinking of that also but then got distracted
[10:30 am] jsn13 : Thanks brent….how bout Ed? are u using pivots?
[10:31 am] Ed : pattern is there but don’t like fact of few buyers
[10:31 am] Ed : no i do not jsn13
[10:32 am] doji : Weak rebound in MJN so far
[10:32 am] rusty : volume dwindling on MJN
[10:32 am] fxbo : Ed: agree
[10:32 am] fxbo : if you are talking about MJN
[10:32 am] Ed : yes speaking of mjn[10:33 am] rusty : anyone have avg trade size in MJN?
[10:34 am] Ed : the piercing pattern on 2min chart needs to hold,
[10:34 am] Ed : 2min chart on right for mjn[10:35 am] fxbo : Ed: im of MJN is wedge
[10:35 am] rusty : i would only buy MJN into panic at this point
[10:35 am] fxbo : im=>1 m
[10:35 am] fxbo : but vol is not there
[10:35 am] rusty : am not getting any indication from volume…other than its getting lower
[10:35 am] Ed : nope, that’s why i passed
[10:36 am] doji : Need to see volume with price dropping hard to consider it long at this point
[10:36 am] qwert : ed what was your entry for short on mjn[10:36 am] Ed : 67.98
[10:37 am] fxbo : not many people discuss MJN now?
[10:37 am] thomasohana : Kris, u there?
[10:38 am] fxbo : MJN new lo
[10:38 am] qwert : so you shorted on break of 68.00 at 13:23 candle
[10:38 am] rusty : volume picking up slightly on downside but still nothing to write home about
[10:38 am] qwert : or confirmation at 13:27?
[10:39 am] rusty : these waterfall down moves should only be purchased on a volume spike
[10:39 am] rusty : first volume spike
[10:39 am] rusty : NOW
[10:39 am] Ed : cheated early entry 1:23 and added on break 1:27
[10:40 am] qwert : thx looking interesting again
[10:40 am] rusty : volume starting to increase
[10:40 am] rusty : should bounce a little from here
[10:40 am] rusty : based on volume alone
[10:40 am] doji : But volume is lower than the previous one Rusty….
[10:41 am] Ed : i was looking for it to get moving or get out, got like .51
[10:41 am] doji : almost half on the 1min chart
[10:42 am] fxbo : Ed: good long
[10:43 am] Ed : too late for me at this price
[10:43 am] apple : great E
[10:43 am] fxbo : oh, I thought you already longed
[10:43 am] fxbo : now is kind of late
[10:43 am] Ed : thought u were asking about longing now
[10:43 am] michael : rusty, went long exactly when you said and got 1%, all I was looking for on first bounce, thank you
[10:44 am] jsn13 : Doji so u like the peak in volume to go long? with good price actions at S/R right?
[10:44 am] Ed : specific to me
[10:44 am] fxbo : good job, Michael
[10:44 am] Ed : i did at 1:40
[10:45 am] michael : thx fxbo, I’ll consider entering again on higher low of 2 min
[10:45 am] apple : nice one michael
[10:45 am] rusty : one minre MJN one minute volume at 13:38 is the one to compare to now
[10:46 am] doji : YEs JNS#, I want to see exhaustion of sellers… an increased volume and quick drop in price is a reflection of that
[10:46 am] michael : thx apple, these are quick for me lately, they’ve been weird
[10:46 am] rusty : nice Michael
[10:46 am] doji : For me MJN is not acting right to risk a long position; others may be
[10:47 am] fxbo : doji: same to me
[10:47 am] rusty : waterfall + increase volume is the only signal you can buy with high degree of certainty on these
[10:47 am] apple : agree doji[10:47 am] michael : I get the volume concept rusty, just struggling with exact bar to enter
[10:47 am] jsn13 : so i would assume that if u got into trades like MJN without the peak in volume, u would be tight on that, doji?
[10:48 am] rusty : try not to look at price….just watch for waterfall type selling + volume
[10:48 am] rusty : and see if you can spot a bottom
[10:48 am] doji : Only when the second volume bar closes, you will have the certainty of the peak volume
[10:48 am] rusty : anything else is guessing imo[10:48 am] Ed : stopped b/e 2nd 1/2
[10:49 am] apple : doji, were you on the 1 min?
[10:49 am] jsn13 : Ok nice thoughts here…
[10:49 am] doji : YEs Apple
[10:49 am] rusty : on MJN 13:35-13:38 = waterfall + volume
[10:49 am] apple : that’s what i use
[10:49 am] rusty : that being said no one is gonna want to be long this into the weekend
[10:50 am] Ed : nope, that’s why if u trade it, be quick and nimble
[10:50 am] doji : Right Rusty but this second drop didn’t have the same volume at the one 13:01
[10:50 am] rusty : so only jump in if you get a good signal and take what it give you nothing more
[10:50 am] apple : i think so
[10:50 am] Ed : u got it rusty
[10:51 am] rusty : I will signal if I see volume again
[10:51 am] apple : thx rusty – we can always count on you
[10:52 am] rusty : this better as a learning experience than a trade
[10:52 am] rusty : and only for those who are fast
[10:52 am] apple : right, fast is the key
[10:55 am] rusty : ok here is waterfall move again but no volume yet
[10:55 am] jsn13 : Anyone expecting a drop at 11.40 area for PHH just now?
[10:55 am] apple : nice double top on PHH
[10:55 am] rusty : volume picking up a tad
[10:55 am] rusty : VOLUME SPIKE
[10:56 am] rusty : now you have a level to play with
[10:56 am] rusty : watch the action
[10:56 am] rusty : should bounce a little here just based on that spike
[10:56 am] rusty : i am not looking at price
[10:57 am] apple : we will take it
[10:58 am] rusty : volume to downside is picking up
[10:58 am] Mitch K: which stock rusty
[10:58 am] qwert : mjn[10:58 am] rusty : MJN
[10:58 am] rusty : waterfall down
[10:58 am] rusty : HEADS UP
[10:59 am] Ed : i hear the shoes
[10:59 am] fxbo : I asked myself and other earlier on if PPH will be behave like MJN? Now PPH dropped, but I have to admitted I do not understand PPH (except its volume at bottom). Still, like to know why PPH bottomed around $9. Anyone like to share?
[11:01 am] rusty : see the volume increase on the waterfall move down
[11:01 am] chinhngo : long mjn at 64.64 is ok?
[11:01 am] rusty : and the long tail on the one minute candle at 13:57
[11:01 am] fxbo : thx, rusty
[11:02 am] rusty : it gives you a level to work with
[11:02 am] fxbo : maybe that is enough for bounce
[11:02 am] rusty : that being said MJN is better for learning than for trading
[11:03 am] fxbo : Rusty: MIN showed vol spike with water fall, then another new low
[11:03 am] fxbo : MIN=&MJN
[11:03 am] jsn13 : the bounce looks weak though….
[11:04 am] doji : We are looking for a similar volume increase as per the initial drop at around 13:00 hrs[11:05 am] doji : Ideally
[11:05 am] rusty : doji its in the process now
[11:06 am] doji : YEah Rusty…. 300K in volume on 1min would be perfect
[11:06 am] rusty : volume picking up as price approaches the tail of the 13:57 candle
[11:06 am] zentrader : will try L MJN here at 63.97
[11:07 am] apple : that is some wild looking chart there
[11:07 am] chinhngo : long mjn at 63.87
[11:07 am] rusty : 63ish or thereabouts could give a double bottom on very s-t chart
[11:08 am] fxbo : just a remind for longer: SPY may is topping
[11:09 am] zentrader : stopped
[11:09 am] doji : There was a gap on April from 63 to 62 in MJN
[11:10 am] fxbo : Rusty: vol spike does not work for MJN
[11:10 am] doji : April 27
[11:10 am] rusty : i don’t think gaps matter on this…no one wants to hold a stock where babies dying
[11:10 am] michael : zen, I almost entered but that’s why I’ve been waiting for a second green on 2 min as higher low
[11:10 am] rusty : fxbo, just an exercise….it’s good for learning
[11:11 am] fxbo : rusty: understand, I am learning too
[11:11 am] jsn13 : doji what price r u looking for MJN long?
[11:11 am] apple : 60?
[11:11 am] doji : MJN three years run come to a halt
[11:11 am] rusty : here come a VOLUME spike
[11:12 am] rusty : panic type spike
[11:12 am] doji : Yes, here is then volume
[11:12 am] fxbo : rusty: be careful with vol. my TOS vol did not spike
[11:12 am] fxbo : depends on brokers
[11:12 am] jsn13 : so u r starting to look for a bounce at this area?
[11:12 am] rusty : if this was a normal stock should bounce here
[11:13 am] doji : Agree Rusty
[11:13 am] jsn13 : BUT??
[11:14 am] doji : Small position in MJN
[11:14 am] doji : will add another if it doesn’t break 60
[11:14 am] fxbo : Where are those mentally strong person (other than Rusty) for longing MJN?
[11:15 am] doji : Hahaha[11:15 am] rusty : on waterfall down stocks where you are looking for bounce….here are a few things to look for in addition to volume: a very long candle after a series of candles down, followed by a candle with a tail
[11:15 am] rusty : notice how candles at the bottom of a move often have “Tails”
[11:15 am] fxbo : rusty: this pike may work (better than other spike)
[11:16 am] rusty : and the candles at the top of move often have “wicks” out of the top of the candle
[11:16 am] rusty : tails = bottoming sign
[11:16 am] rusty : wicks = topping sign
[11:18 am] michael : this might be it
[11:18 am] fxbo : maybe
[11:19 am] rusty : when everyone doesn’t see the bounce and questions going long….that is the time to go long
[11:19 am] michael : l @ 61.69 mjn[11:19 am] fxbo : good to watching this MJN
[11:19 am] apple : MJN 62.07
[11:19 am] fxbo : for me to learn
[11:19 am] rusty : as a general rule
[11:19 am] doji : In MJN, average 61.32
[11:20 am] michael : I’m out here
[11:20 am] doji : stop above b/e, will just watch the action now
[11:20 am] rusty : MJN http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20111222-eft 7-143kb.jpg
[11:21 am] lightning : in small MJN 62.23
[11:21 am] rusty : notice tails at bottom of candle as it bottomed
[11:21 am] apple : yes
[11:21 am] rusty : the longer the tail the better
[11:21 am] rusty : and the volume spike right at the bottom
[11:21 am] rusty : sorry MJN is not a better story to trade
[11:22 am] rusty : as the chart is very attractive [11:22 am] doji : MJN is as sweet as it gets
[11:22 am] michael : thank you rusty
[11:22 am] qwert : mjn = christmas money
[11:22 am] qwert : thx rusty
[11:22 am] bopphaley : Rusty, what are the yellow spiking indicators?
[11:23 am] Brent : good one RustyTrader[11:23 am] Ed : nice rusty
[11:23 am] bopphaley : (on the chart you shared)
[11:24 am] doji : Hey Rusty, you look for the wick on the 1min or 3min chart?
[11:24 am] fxbo : congrat to those longed MJN, you are truly mentally strong
[11:24 am] apple : thx for PHH again MK
[11:25 am] rusty : on a waterfall type stock I look at the one minute candles
[11:26 am] rusty : waterfall + tail + volume
[11:26 am] rusty : and when looking for tops, wicks
[11:27 am] rusty : boo, stochastics[11:28 am] doji : Nice MJN
[11:28 am] rusty : now watch for wicks
[11:28 am] rusty : and volume
[11:28 am] doji : Rusty, the wick is on the 1min or 3min chart?
[11:28 am] rusty : 1
[11:28 am] fxbo : wow, MJN!
[11:29 am] rusty : wicks indicate sellers at that level
[11:29 am] pandozzi : c guys just be patient
[11:29 am] apple : thx E
[11:29 am] lightning : out MJN
[11:29 am] rusty : note the wick now
[11:30 am] apple : close, tho, right?
[11:30 am] fxbo : I was just going to say some winner will be out
[11:30 am] rusty : huge volume spike on that move
[11:31 am] cowboyh : merry christmas to us thanks mjn[11:31 am] rusty : Headlines crossing that MJN saying second ill baby did not tale enfamil[11:31 am] apple : yeah, baby…MJN!
[11:33 am] pandozzi : this is what i wait for
[11:33 am] apple : great fun, isn’t it?
[11:33 am] weston : thinking of short MJN, it looks to me going to be a bullshort pattern, any comment?
[11:34 am] pandozzi : you know it appl were u in on the anth the other day?
[11:34 am] doji : The nice in MJN is that the spread is only 1 cent…
[11:34 am] apple : yes, cleaned up on that one
[11:34 am] pandozzi : nice
[11:34 am] rusty : avg trade size on MJN seems very small…anyone have the avg trade size?
[11:35 am] doji : out 1/2 MJN here
[11:37 am] rusty : MJN almost back to first regression line
[11:37 am] rusty : amazing what one baby will do
[11:38 am] lightning : lol[11:38 am] rusty : note the wicks on the candles now
[11:38 am] apple : yes rusty
[11:39 am] rusty : if you look at thousands of charts you will see this pattern repeat over and over – wicks at tops – tails at bottoms
[11:39 am] rusty : works on any timeframe
[11:40 am] doji : All out MJN
[11:40 am] Ed : nice trade doji[11:40 am] michael : the false start on the 1 minute occurred at 1:59
[11:41 am] apple : great job doji[11:41 am] richard : Kris, ru gonna frame 2 today?
[11:42 am] doji : And Rusty, add also that there is always strong support/resistance at round numbers; 60 provide to be the case for MJN
[11:43 am] skydiver : just came in and saw MJN – amazing — so went L MJN 66.68 to get a few pennies 🙂
[11:43 am] doji : to is a string resistance now for MJN now
[11:43 am] apple : sky you are good
[11:44 am] lightning : LRE spike
[11:45 am] lightning : LRE halted
[11:48 am] skydiver : moving stop up on MJN to 68.75
[11:50 am] skydiver : moving stop up again on MJN to 69.01
[11:50 am] doji : LRE trading now
[11:50 am] lightning : lol, LRE trading 8 points lower.
[11:51 am] skydiver : stopped out of MJN 69.01 for nice profit 🙂
[11:51 am] apple : all out MJN +7.
[11:51 am] thomasohana : nice apple
[11:52 am] rusty : MJN another V bottom stock
[11:52 am] michael : right on apple
[11:52 am] observer : nice, apple
[11:52 am] lightning : nice apple and sky
[11:52 am] skydiver : L MJN 66.68 out 69.01 Nice apple — at least I got a piece 🙂
[11:52 am] rusty : http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20111222-alo b-149kb.jpg
[11:52 am] observer : nice, sky
[11:53 am] rusty : topping candle on MJN now
[11:54 am] skydiver : I should have bought more share — but – not complaining
[11:55 am] apple : always in retrospect sky…
[11:55 am] skydiver : yes
[11:56 am] rusty : for anyone so inclined and can tolerate risk… RAYS is a good short here and at eod[11:56 am] rusty : (disclaimer: I am short from lower, higher and in between)
[11:57 am] apple : thx rusty
[11:59 am] thomasohana : just curious, how long has everyone been trading in here?
[12:00 pm] lightning : full time for 1.5 years
[12:00 pm] rusty : VIX hod[12:00 pm] qwert : 2 years fulltime
[12:00 pm] thomasohana : i assumed so
[12:00 pm] rusty : keep an eye on the vix…market is up and vix is up = Divergence
[12:00 pm] skydiver : well — part time – mornings for couple of hours usually – I think one year?
[12:01 pm] skydiver : and sometime jump in during lunch break
[12:02 pm] qwert : news sd?
[12:02 pm] lightning : SD: Repsol, SandRidge Energy reach deal on Mississippi lime site, Bloomberg says
[12:03 pm] lightning : SD: Repsol (REPYY) to invest $1B buying share of lime site, Bloomberg reported. :theflyonthewall.com
[12:03 pm] willm : Wow SD
[12:04 pm] doji : Is SD halted
[12:04 pm] apple : r: trading is all about how fast u r and little bit of luck and skill
[12:04 pm] apple : SD omg[12:06 pm] apple : now my son says he knows why i am never bored, i have the best people around – smart kid!
[12:08 pm] doji : I have SD halted at 8
[12:09 pm] willm : On my chart, SD went down under 0. Is it possible?
[12:09 pm] willm : -1 exactly
[12:09 pm] lightning : SD back trading
[12:10 pm] lightning : willm, I think you have an error there. Low today is 6.80
[12:10 pm] lightning : Low in the last six months is 4.60-ish on SD
[12:10 pm] willm : Sudden drop went down so fast
[12:11 pm] willm : I dare not touch that kind of stock
[12:11 pm] lightning : SINA move: SINA speculated to accept investment in Weibo, Technode saysA “reliable source” told Technode that Sina (SINA) accepted an investment from Digital Sky Technology that values its Sina Weibo service near $1B.
[12:13 pm] apple : yes
[12:13 pm] qwert : yep
[12:13 pm] michael : yep, was goofing around with other charts and missed it
[12:14 pm] qwert : mitch is there a min. percentage your looking for on the drop
[12:15 pm] willm : SINA rocketing
[12:15 pm] qwert : so more just recent support area
[12:15 pm] qwert : yeah thx ed[12:16 pm] willm : That’s news move according yo Lightning
[12:17 pm] willm : No Lightning reported
[12:18 pm] apple : thx for SD
[12:20 pm] qwert : bye everybody gotta go get my son a haircut see ya in the am another awesome day thanks to tsa[12:21 pm] lightning : TLEO spike
[12:21 pm] Ed : c ya qwert[12:21 pm] apple : same here, qwert but later — have a fun evening
[12:21 pm] apple : nice reversal on SD
[12:22 pm] edgarg : sd mirroring mitch’s comment from 11:52
[12:24 pm] willm : As a newbie, I just watching SD because its under 10 stock and I saw its price flashed down under 0
[12:24 pm] rusty : TFM lod[12:24 pm] apple : TLEO
[12:24 pm] skydiver : TLEO still climbing
[12:27 pm] doji : Aggg too late in the day for TLEO
[12:27 pm] apple : where did the time go????
[12:27 pm] rusty : MLHR radar
[12:29 pm] willm : Doji, I should short TLEO now? I’m paper trading
[12:29 pm] apple : willim it’s still moving up
[12:30 pm] willm : But this time of the day is no good for new trades, Kris warned me
[12:30 pm] apple : yes, K is right
[12:31 pm] doji : YEs, too late
[12:31 pm] lightning : looks like MJN has topped out
[12:34 pm] chinhngo : can i go long sd at 8.02?
[12:35 pm] apple : nice MK
[12:35 pm] chinhngo : mjn watch for long ?
[12:37 pm] apple : CRM over 100
[12:37 pm] apple : hod[12:38 pm] willm : TLEO going down nicely. But I didn’t trade coz of the time
[12:38 pm] lightning : I didn’t trade it either willm[12:39 pm] chinhngo : long mjn at 68.37
[12:40 pm] apple : TLEO was a good one
[12:40 pm] willm : Hey Chinhngo, are trading with real money?
[12:41 pm] chinhngo : yes
[12:41 pm] willm : OMG
[12:41 pm] kp : chinhngo, I think Mitch is shorting MJN
[12:42 pm] chinhngo : sell at loss misunderstood
[12:42 pm] rusty : MLHR falling too close to close tho[12:42 pm] lightning : [12:36 pm] Mitch K: yes, i think MJN going to give another long scalp
[12:42 pm] doji : [12:40 pm] Mitch K: not looking good, plus
[12:43 pm] apple : at 12:40 he said not looking good
[12:43 pm] doji : Ching, are you still long in MKN after almost $1 drop from your entry price?
[12:43 pm] doji : MJN
[12:44 pm] chinhngo : sorry i sell lost 800
[12:44 pm] doji : Chingo: no trades on very volatile stocks 30 to 45 minutes before the close
[12:44 pm] willm : I didn’t see the message
[12:44 pm] chinhngo : but generally my portfolio today is good
[12:45 pm] doji : That is not a message, that is a rule
[12:45 pm] doji : if you don’t want to give your money away
[12:45 pm] Mitch K: hey chingo, this MJN trade too advanced for you now.
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: you need to study this and observe before you try something like this
[12:46 pm] chinhngo : so that is the reason i really need your guy help idea and just follow up so far so good
[12:46 pm] apple : thx rusty — sometimes
[12:47 pm] chinhngo : thank you all of you so much
[12:47 pm] rusty : MLHR must not be selling any chairs
[12:47 pm] chinhngo : i buy call and sell put mjn still make some money thank again
[12:50 pm] kp : I have really enjoyed being in the trade room with all of you! Thanks, KP
[12:50 pm] Ed : enjoy having u kp[12:51 pm] willm : Mitch, I found your trading rules somewhere else. In the DVDs or on the web? I will read again this holiday
[12:52 pm] apple : thx MK, K, B, E and everyone for another fun-filled day. Everyone have a delightful evening.
[12:52 pm] Ed : c ya apple
[12:52 pm] lightning : Thanks TSA and everyone. See you tomorrow
[12:53 pm] willm : Thank you very much TSA and every members. See you tomorrow.
[12:53 pm] Ed : c ya willm[12:54 pm] willm : Thx Ed, I will read 25 rules this weekend
[12:55 pm] mhaus : willm, print them out and tape it to your monitor. they really help
[12:58 pm] willm : Thanks Mhaus, but I don’t remember where I found the rules. Have to find them first.
[12:59 pm] mhaus : should be in the wizards video
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