Chat Highlights From 12/19/2011

TSA Moderator ChatUser Chat
[06:20 am] Kris : Good Morning Traders
[06:20 am] Kris : This morning I'm watching ABT, AKRX, V, CVC and DB as possible longs
[06:21 am] Brent : good morning
[06:21 am] Ed : good morning
[06:21 am] Kris : Shorts I'm watching SPPI, MAS, EGO, HBI, CTRP and ESI
[06:31 am] Kris : ACN short half
[06:32 am] Kris : WYNN long half
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching EGO, El Dorado Gold for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: monitoring ATHN for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching MCP for top to short
[06:35 am] Kris : out half WYNN long
[06:35 am] Mitch K: BIDU late here at 114
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching COG for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching for short in BIDU, already turning
[06:36 am] Kris : XLNX long half
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching GMCR for short
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching RPTP for short soon
[06:37 am] Kris : watching SINA for a long, support around 50.00
[06:37 am] Mitch K: MON toppy, considering short
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching NFLX for bottom to buy
[06:38 am] Kris : sorry, support SINA 52.00
[06:38 am] Kris : then 50.00 if it can't hold 52.00
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching RDK for short
[06:39 am] Brent : watching ANR for a bounce
[06:39 am] Kris : watching ADSK for a long reversal
[06:40 am] Kris : SPY consolidating between 122.50 and 122.00
[06:40 am] Mitch K: consider reducing ATHN long, maybe 1/3rd of your long
[06:41 am] Mitch K: GMCR toppy
[06:42 am] Kris : ADSK support around 30.50
[06:42 am] Mitch K: COG bouncing
[06:42 am] Mitch K: consider reducing more ATHN
[06:42 am] Mitch K: FSLR toppy
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching DMND for top
[06:46 am] Mitch K: C bottoming
[06:46 am] Mitch K: FSLR toppy
[06:46 am] Mitch K: watching for bottom in MOS, take your time
[06:47 am] Kris : SPY testing support, careful entering the longs if she breaks
[06:48 am] Mitch K: CIB shortable, late to see
[06:48 am] Mitch K: IOC bouncing; late
[06:50 am] Mitch K: prob best to cover MCP total short
[06:50 am] Mitch K: watching ATHN for another bottom to buy, watching to see if goes below 47
[06:51 am] Mitch K: CAT toppy
[06:51 am] Mitch K: DMND turning over
[06:52 am] Mitch K: consider covering half of RPTP
[06:52 am] Mitch K: monitoring SGI; not my favorite stock but monitoring
[06:52 am] Mitch K: NFLX bottoming
[06:54 am] Kris : SINA long half
[06:54 am] Kris : XLNX making some consolidation near the highs, looking for a new hod if we can get a bounce in the markets
[06:55 am] Brent : watching XCO for a bounce
[06:58 am] Mitch K: late to see
[06:58 am] Mitch K: watching VPRT for bottom
[06:59 am] Kris : if you have ADSK long, watch 31.20 for some resistance
[07:01 am] Kris : watching to see if SINA will hold the lod, then will add to the long
[07:04 am] Mitch K: CAT toppy, meow
[07:04 am] Mitch K: more downside on DMND
[07:06 am] Mitch K: consider covering remaining RPTP short
[07:06 am] Mitch K: not sure if i posted MOS long but consider selling
[07:08 am] Brent : watching CBG for a bounce
[07:08 am] Kris : out half SINA long
[07:11 am] Brent : careful with XCO if long, not acting right
[07:15 am] Brent : SPY testing trendline resistance
[07:16 am] Kris : out another 1/4 SINA long
[07:35 am] Mitch K: consider selling VPRT long, watch for short here
[07:36 am] Mitch K: missed bottom in NLSN but watching for short now, soon
[07:37 am] Mitch K: consider selling NFLX long soon
[07:37 am] Mitch K: watch NFLX for short now
[07:38 am] Mitch K: don't start short of tops of bounces with large position, start smaller and gradually build
[07:40 am] Mitch K: MOS toppy, considering short
[07:41 am] Mitch K: remember MOS companion stocks are MON, POT, IPI, AGU
[07:48 am] Ed : watching FIO
[08:01 am] Ed : reduce FIO
[08:04 am] Ed : out 1/4 FIO 22.53
[08:06 am] Ed : stop last 1/4 FIO 22.19
[08:07 am] Ed : out all FIO
[12:07 pm] Brent : SPY new lod[11:46 am] Kris : yes, I received everyone's emails. I'l be getting back with you all later today.
[11:43 am] Mitch K: I'm not interested in shorting VHC, too strong, looks like i am wrong about the float, showing 41 mil float
[11:43 am] Kris : well you could say it was a rumor to get it top heavy with weak shorts
[11:42 am] Kris : watch for consolidation near the highs and for it to stay strong. might be tough to short.
[11:42 am] Mitch K: yeah agree Kris, its acting very strong, credible info. but thin float. I've seen VHC move up huge about 5 years ago
[11:41 am] Kris : with details like that odds are not a rumor
[11:41 am] Mitch K: this rumor has link of a filing of US Patent and Trademark office
[11:39 am] Mitch K: RUmor: Virnetx, VHC, strength attributed to a positive patent ruling
[11:23 am] Mitch K: VHC has such low float it makes sense there are no shares to short.
[11:16 am] Mitch K: so far, just monitoring, not shorting VHC yet
[11:14 am] Mitch K: WATCHING vhc FOR POSSIBLE TOP TO SHORT
[10:56 am] Brent : thx Lightning, watching VHC
[10:50 am] Ed : pass on LNCR
[10:49 am] Ed : would like price around 24.77
[10:48 am] Ed : watching LNCR
[10:27 am] Mitch K: gee, Saab declared itself bankrupt
[10:18 am] Mitch K: stocks are trending up gradually, not strong trustworthy up trending though
[09:50 am] Brent : good one on OCZ Rusty
[09:16 am] Mitch K: I haven't seen this low of performing IPO as ZNGA, so soon after it went public
[08:45 am] Ed : lot of selling in financials
[08:39 am] Brent : SPY new lod[12:44 pm] Kris : This time of day, I would be very selective taking any new trades. look to start exiting your open trades soon and planning for the close.
[01:00 pm] Brent : have a good night everyone, see you in the morning
[01:00 pm] Ed : have a great night
[01:00 pm] Kris : Everyone have a good night. see you all back here tomorrow morning.
[06:01 am] rusty : Saudi Prince Alwaleed buys Twitter stake
[06:05 am] joeytsa : korean news may make things interesting
[06:05 am] doji : SCHN down on weak steel demand but MT is up???
[06:07 am] doji : SCHN is down; MT is up
[06:09 am] joeytsa : gap up: AAPL,LVS,CVX,VRUS,
[06:14 am] doji : CVC is another one, it was down on Friday but today has moved decently
[06:14 am] joeytsa : CVC had its coo resign
[06:23 am] joeytsa : MCP with some buying
[06:34 am] doji : ZNGA
[06:36 am] rusty : NFLX lod[06:37 am] joeytsa : CLF falling
[06:37 am] joeytsa : CVX nice gap close and lower
[06:38 am] weston : I think ATHN is going to turn over soon
[06:39 am] joeytsa : CRM..will look for more downside on a small bounce
[06:41 am] rusty : SINA 50% retrace of Friday move ~52
[06:41 am] joeytsa : tighten sop if you shorted CLF
[06:42 am] doji : GMCR S
[06:42 am] doji : FSLR S
[06:43 am] weston : ANR bottoming
[06:44 am] joeytsa : SINA with the fleas
[06:44 am] weston : top XLNX
[06:45 am] joeytsa : GS below $90
[06:45 am] rusty : DMND hod[06:45 am] doji : out 1/2 GMCR
[06:45 am] doji : S
[06:46 am] weston : watching NFLX for long
[06:46 am] doji : 2nd 1/2 s FSLR
[06:47 am] joeytsa : tighten stop on CRM if you shorted that bounce :)
[06:47 am] rusty : Airlines lod[06:47 am] doji : SPY lod[06:48 am] rusty : WFM hod[06:48 am] Mitch K: good eye weston[06:49 am] doji : IOC still weak
[06:50 am] joeytsa : CAT strong so far
[06:50 am] doji : Watching ANR
[06:51 am] doji : SPY dropping more
[06:51 am] weston : xlnx top
[06:51 am] doji : Any news?
[06:52 am] doji : SPPI
[06:52 am] rusty : C lod[06:53 am] derns : SHLD
[06:54 am] derns : watching GS
[06:54 am] doji : GMCR
[06:55 am] doji : ATHN approaching 47
[06:55 am] joeytsa : derns, you looking for a long? i just closed a short on GS
[06:55 am] derns : joey..I was..and will watch on a 3 min fade..nice short!
[06:56 am] joeytsa : watching VPRT
[06:56 am] derns : C down 3.3%
[06:56 am] weston : anr bottom
[06:56 am] doji : NFLX moving up
[06:56 am] rusty : FSLR hod[06:56 am] joeytsa : GS sitting on some support
[06:57 am] joeytsa : HANS running
[06:59 am] rusty : covering 1/2 of FSLR puts from last week
[06:59 am] rusty : hopefully will let rest expire worthless
[06:59 am] weston : c bottom
[07:00 am] weston : ANR bouncing up
[07:00 am] joeytsa : eye on BIIB also
[07:00 am] skydiver : Housing report came in the index at 21 -- expectations was 20
[07:01 am] joeytsa : thanks sky...confidence still negative though
[07:01 am] skydiver : yes
[07:01 am] khall : Thanks Kris
[07:01 am] weston : I am reducing NFLX
[07:02 am] weston : not sure if it is a right decision
[07:03 am] joeytsa : housing probably still has some pain to go thru..not sure we saw the bottom yet
[07:04 am] doji : SPY still weak, new lod[07:04 am] rusty : C lod[07:05 am] rusty : added to RAYS short - will never cover this position
[07:06 am] rusty : unless bought in
[07:07 am] weston : MOS breaking up
[07:07 am] joeytsa : trail BIIB up
[07:07 am] skydiver : SINA moving up
[07:08 am] doji : FSLR always give a good $$$$
[07:09 am] joeytsa : trying to show patience for once on BIIB
[07:10 am] joeytsa : stopped on BIIB, bucket drop
[07:12 am] weston : looks like XLNX is going down
[07:12 am] lightning : AKRX breaking out
[07:14 am] rusty : buying C small for a long swing
[07:14 am] rusty : call me crazy
[07:14 am] Mitch K: tjx lightn[07:14 am] joeytsa : SCHN just might want to close the gap by end of day?
[07:15 am] rusty : have to be willing to add to position as necessary
[07:15 am] joeytsa : yeah..honestly looks like you have a minimum 2:1 rr not bad
[07:16 am] joeytsa : 90d chart looks like a channel, 52 wk a bit uglier
[07:16 am] skydiver : out 1/2 SINA
[07:16 am] weston : wynn turning over
[07:16 am] khall : c turning up
[07:16 am] joeytsa : nice trade on SINA sky,kris[07:17 am] skydiver : Thanks to Kris!!
[07:18 am] joeytsa : C usually not much of a daytrade stock..small adr[07:18 am] rusty : right
[07:18 am] rusty : does nicely on swings though
[07:18 am] lightning : I'm out AKRX. didn't like the sideways direction.
[07:18 am] joeytsa : yeah, should be able to get out very easily if you need to
[07:18 am] skydiver : stopped out of last of SINA
[07:19 am] storage : Thanks Kris for call on SINA
[07:19 am] lightning : me too sky. All out SINA
[07:19 am] joeytsa : smart lightning
[07:19 am] skydiver : nice trade
[07:19 am] rusty : SQNS might be worth watching for eoy tax loss selling panic
[07:19 am] rusty : based on daily chart
[07:19 am] rusty : rsi 16
[07:21 am] lightning : lol, there goes AKRX.
[07:21 am] joeytsa : SCHN keeps making higher lows...great if you scale in on those dips
[07:22 am] rusty : SQNS 65M cash, 3M debt
[07:22 am] joeytsa : i just can't touch those, based on my past results haha[07:22 am] rusty : market cap 77M
[07:22 am] mhaus : ELN chatter
[07:23 am] rusty : INHX + Roche rumors
[07:24 am] joeytsa : rusty: i will give you props that you seem to be pretty thorough with your fa...good work
[07:24 am] rusty : RGC ALERT
[07:24 am] rusty : RGC ALERT
[07:25 am] weston : free fall
[07:25 am] joeytsa : thanks again rusty
[07:25 am] weston : RGC
[07:25 am] skydiver : watching RGC
[07:25 am] mhaus : YZC halted
[07:27 am] doji : Not interested in RGC at this point
[07:27 am] rusty : ELN + BMY rumors
[07:31 am] rusty : lot of these stocks trading at or below cash are good bounce candidates for January....just have to buy them into panic selling....not chase them as they are going up
[07:31 am] skydiver : thanx for the info rusty
[07:32 am] joeytsa : makes sense rusty
[07:32 am] michael : information appreciated rusty
[07:32 am] rusty : anyone interested suggest you make a list of these stocks and watch them like a hawk.... most will bounce.....occasionally one goes bankrupt....so I like to buy them as a basket
[07:32 am] joeytsa : that's how you spec rusty..smart[07:33 am] rusty : overall the basket often moves up 20% or better...occasionally you also get a few that move 50-60-100%
[07:34 am] derns : Thx Rusty..are you specifically referring to small cap stocks?
[07:34 am] rusty : and i try to avoid anything with big debt....and/or huge burn rate
[07:34 am] rusty : as those are the ones that often keep going lower
[07:34 am] joeytsa : yeah...big debt is a warning to me at first
[07:34 am] rusty : could be any stock...small, medium or large...though the li8st is often predominated by small caps
[07:34 am] rusty : or smaller caps
[07:35 am] rusty : this is the week to make the list
[07:35 am] skydiver : SINA still climbing
[07:35 am] joeytsa : rusty: you have a scan for that, or just legwork
[07:36 am] joeytsa : PCLN having a good run
[07:36 am] rusty : mostly chart scans for way oversold...then quick look at company (cash, debt, revs, short interest)
[07:37 am] joeytsa : gotya...i will be scanning for high p/e stocks
[07:37 am] joeytsa : thanks mitch[07:38 am] doji : It would be great if then we exchange our list for cross check
[07:38 am] rusty : high P/E list always exciting to work with :-)
[07:38 am] joeytsa : yeah doji...one of these days i will set up a facebook group to toss ideas
[07:38 am] michael : AMZN trying to move up today
[07:38 am] joeytsa : yeah rusty..especially on market weakness
[07:39 am] joeytsa : yeah michael...i would think they should be doing well this time of the year
[07:40 am] michael : kind of consolidating the last few days, hopefully move now
[07:40 am] rusty : a lot of biotech's end of on eoy tax loss selling list - have to be a little more careful with these....check if they have any pipeline left and their burn rate
[07:40 am] joeytsa : probably 3:1 on AMZN
[07:43 am] rusty : for anyone interested in tax loss selling plays...do a GOOG search "January Effect", "trading below cash"
[07:43 am] michael : I'll let AMZN come down one more time then look to go long
[07:45 am] doji : SPY reversing hard again
[07:45 am] rusty : Can't vouge for this guy but here is someone going through the January Effect process
[07:45 am] rusty : http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?s ubjectid=58474
[07:45 am] derns : Thx Rusty..I just googled that and will read soon
[07:46 am] doji : ECB's Draghi speaking
[07:46 am] doji : He must be giving a lot of very bad news
[07:49 am] derns : Draghi is holding the line...countries need to address their debt issues
[07:49 am] rusty : INHX was on the January effect list for .80 two years ago....sold for 20% gain and felt like a star
[07:49 am] rusty : ugh
[07:50 am] doji : So these are the stocks that should move up on January Rusty?
[07:51 am] rusty : yes and/or move up after tax loss selling
[07:51 am] lightning : all out NFLX short
[07:52 am] rusty : best to find a few and buy a basket...cause they don't all do well...but overall they go up and often up big %
[07:52 am] doji : So when these stocks should be ready to be bought?
[07:54 am] rusty : you buy them into any obvious panic or larger volume selling as we get closer to eoy[07:55 am] rusty : e.g. SQNS... its trading near its cash value...so with any panic it could trade below cash and if its assets are worth anything could be a good bounce candidate
[07:56 am] rusty : then if the company has any value...once the tax losing sellers are finished with their misery....
[07:56 am] rusty : they often bounce
[07:57 am] doji : Thanks Rusty, much appreciated
[07:58 am] rusty : best time to buy is usually right after Christmas
[07:58 am] rusty : and toward eoy[07:58 am] derns : yeah Rusty...very interesting trading idea
[07:59 am] rusty : but you have to make your list and check it twice first
[07:59 am] rusty : and of course need to understand this is just a strategy not a lottery ticket where you put all your money into one stock
[08:00 am] rusty : cause you might pick the occasional one that goes bankrupt instead of bouncing
[08:00 am] derns : Rusty..how long will the stocks/basket be held typically?
[08:00 am] rusty : few weeks max
[08:01 am] derns : ok...is finviz a good place to start for the search?
[08:01 am] rusty : and usually by end of January, first week February sometimes
[08:02 am] eyes : L fio 22.20 out half .43
[08:02 am] rusty : yeah finviz good starter....look for very oversold stocks....then check their cash and debt level....you don't want anything that looks like a bankruptcy candidate
[08:03 am] weston : rgc, looks like turning over
[08:04 am] skydiver : Thanks ED for FIO
[08:04 am] Ed : nice going sky,eyes[08:04 am] rusty : once you have that list you look further to see how much that company burns in cash every quarter
[08:04 am] rusty : if their burn rate shows they could go bk, you take it off list
[08:05 am] skydiver : Great day for trading - thanks to TSA team and all the great traders!! Have to take off - make lots $
[08:05 am] Ed : take care skydiver
[08:06 am] weston : out all MOS
[08:07 am] khall : Thanks for FIO Ed
[08:09 am] jimv : X?
[08:09 am] derns : C continues its march down..perhaps tax selling?
[08:09 am] rusty : C down on Basel
[08:09 am] rusty : regulations
[08:10 am] derns : got it...down nearly 6%
[08:10 am] rusty : i buy it when everyone notices its down
[08:10 am] rusty : and sell it when everyone notices its up
[08:11 am] derns : good idea..are you long C?
[08:11 am] rusty : could go to 23's on this swing so have to be prepared
[08:11 am] rusty : i bought a few today and will consider adding into weakness but I like to watch for eod[08:12 am] doji : FIO moving up... ZNGA at 8.75
[08:12 am] derns : ok...good luck...I was going to short, but thot it looked like it would reverse
[08:12 am] rusty : C doesn't move all that much intraday but the daily chart is very enticing for swings...if you can stomach it
[08:13 am] rusty : and notice what happens when C candle gets very large
[08:13 am] rusty : compared to avg candle
[08:13 am] rusty : on daily chart
[08:13 am] derns : it certainly moves on those big daily candles
[08:13 am] weston : MOS
[08:14 am] rusty : i rarely catch the bottoms and tops so I average in to these positions
[08:15 am] rusty : the best time to buy these positions is then the vix is super high
[08:15 am] rusty : with the vix at 25-6 (which is high) its a little more difficult esp when it recently was at 40-50
[08:15 am] derns : VIX is artificially low due to seasonality I read this weekend
[08:16 am] rusty : and the reason I wait till eod to add to the positions is that in this market most stocks close at the hod or lod....rarely in between
[08:17 am] rusty : yeah, vix has been compressed no doubt
[08:17 am] rusty : feels like it should be higher here
[08:18 am] rusty : LFC radar
[08:19 am] rusty : nothing to write home about...low volume
[08:19 am] rusty : forget it
[08:22 am] eyes : PRU
[08:26 am] doji : Closing 1/2 of FSLR S here; will trails second half
[08:41 am] rusty : looks like we missed BWOW short
[08:41 am] rusty : on daytrader speculation
[08:42 am] rusty : gotta short a company named WowJoint Ltd
[08:42 am] Ed : what is their biz
[08:43 am] rusty : China industrial
[08:43 am] Ed : hmmm
[08:43 am] rusty : http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/19/4132636/wowj oint-holdings-limited-announces.htm
[08:44 am] rusty : when a company has to announce their execs gonna buy stock = time to sell
[08:44 am] rusty : why not just buy and keep silent....that would be much more powerful
[08:50 am] pandozzi : fslr turning over
[08:55 am] joeytsa : GS weak today
[08:56 am] rusty : Britain refusing to contribute to IMF part of eurozone bailout fund
[08:56 am] joeytsa : not much of a surprise is that?
[08:56 am] rusty : they all refuse until they will have to
[08:56 am] rusty : like Greece initially refused bailout
[08:57 am] derns : not a surprise at all..there will others...this could lead to nationalism
[08:59 am] joeytsa : i wonder if Ben is reaching for his pen yet
[09:00 am] Ed : can't find it so far
[09:00 am] joeytsa : no but he must be shaking like a meth addict :)
[09:01 am] Ed : Greenspan saying, "glad it's not me"
[09:01 am] joeytsa : haha[09:03 am] joeytsa : personally i don't care which way the market goes...just as long as volume sticks around
[09:03 am] Kris : just as long as it goes
[09:03 am] joeytsa : right on kris[09:04 am] joeytsa : might have to figure out how to trade on different indexes
[09:08 am] joeytsa : GS sitting in a triple-bottom area
[09:09 am] michael : been watching it joey, just don't know if it's gonna consolidate or move
[09:10 am] joeytsa : might get a small up move first
[09:14 am] joeytsa : michael, that's why you scale in..test the waters
[09:15 am] derns : joey..your reference to a GS triple bottom..on the daily, correct?
[09:16 am] mscholder : FIO crashing
[09:16 am] joeytsa : yeah, sorry i wasn't clear
[09:16 am] michael : things really slow, I'm being very conservative
[09:17 am] joeytsa : yeah Mitch...IPO market overall is lame
[09:17 am] derns : no worries...I appreciate your commentary..from earlier exchanges, I thot you were referring to daily
[09:17 am] joeytsa : GS earlier was on the intraday, the most recent was as a swing
[09:18 am] joeytsa : when GS broke $90 it was a decent short scalp
[09:23 am] go4it : ZNGA heard you Mitch
[09:33 am] michael : fslr may offer a trade
[09:36 am] derns : FSLR is at lod[09:36 am] joeytsa : CVX slowly bleeding after that gap up
[09:43 am] rusty : OCZ ALERT
[09:43 am] michael : nice, thank you rusty
[09:44 am] rusty : np good luck
[09:45 am] Ed : nice rusty
[09:49 am] derns : good call Rusty...perhaps the trade of the day, but I just paper traded it
[09:49 am] jimv : Thx for OCZ
[09:51 am] rusty : got lucky...ty[09:52 am] derns : GS
[09:57 am] khall : SINA popping up
[10:10 am] doji : Hey, see FSLR, approaching 30.... the last two times it hit 30 it rebounded back to 32
[10:12 am] Ed : u still have a piece short doji[10:12 am] doji : YEah baby!
[10:12 am] Ed : nice
[10:13 am] joeytsa : BIIB been weak since that early pop
[10:14 am] rusty : C 25
[10:17 am] thomasohana : watching that too rusty
[10:19 am] joeytsa : SPY not too far from the 20ema crossing below the 50ema
[10:19 am] joeytsa : on the daily
[10:20 am] michael : the Thursday and Friday candles are pretty wicked
[10:21 am] derns : feels like the market is fighting against going down...on a daily basis
[10:22 am] joeytsa : i agree derns, trying not to be overly bearish but :)
[10:24 am] jsn13 : Held SINA since early morning......long all at 51.85 and out all at 54.33...held it for 3 hrs....Thanks for the idea....
[10:25 am] joeytsa : nice going jsn !!
[10:25 am] Ed : nice jsn13
[10:26 am] jsn13 : was in red juz now....but this trade pulled me back into the zone.....missed OCZ though......too slow in reacting....
[10:26 am] michael : you deserve every penny jsn, there were some rides in there
[10:26 am] Ed : still holding 1/4 swing in SINA from friday[10:27 am] michael : sina looks like it wants to go higher
[10:27 am] jsn13 : i thought it's a good idea for swing so i juz took advantage from there....day trade the swing ideas....
[10:29 am] Ed : north korea's new leader looks like he is 21
[10:29 am] rusty : CALL worth putting on radar on daily
[10:29 am] rusty : chart
[10:30 am] weston : anyone looking at RGC?
[10:32 am] joeytsa : think i'm done for the day..might try to pop in b4 closing..last bit of Christmas running around...hope all your trades work out
[10:33 am] Ed : c ya joey
[10:40 am] derns : doji...do you have a target on your FSLR short? Do you think it will bounce?
[10:42 am] derns : BAC nearing below 5.00
[10:45 am] doji : Have a lot of buyers at 5 but if it breaks it, then I could drop significantly lower
[10:46 am] jsn13 : Ed, thanks for the lesson on S/R.....it totally solved my problem.....learning to look at S/R really help me to get very good prices and huge confidence.....today is the 4th consecutive day in green....even though today is juz abit up....
[10:47 am] Ed : way to go jsn13, continue to study
[10:47 am] Brent : nice work JSN
[10:47 am] jsn13 : sure.....i still have lots of stuffs to learn....this is juz the beginning....
[10:48 am] doji : Watching FSLR, closed 1/4 position here
[10:49 am] doji : Too quick Ed
[10:52 am] go4it : Hey Doji I just bot your 1/4 position
[10:56 am] lightning : watching VHC for possible short
[10:58 am] rusty : APPY good example of tax losing selling but given the basic business (or lack thereof) not a great candidate for a bounce
[11:00 am] derns : lightning...interesting call on VHC..watching for a fade short
[11:01 am] michael : thx for the info rusty. also noted call
[11:02 am] rusty : CALL = magic jack - very promotional company...with a controversial ceo[11:03 am] lightning : VHC right at its 200MA on daily.
[11:03 am] rusty : RIMM worth watching again based on daily chart
[11:04 am] rusty : might be a good one to consider selling puts on into fast selling if seen
[11:05 am] rusty : no rush
[11:07 am] rusty : http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=88 52&mn=16956&pt=msg&mi d=11268293
[11:07 am] rusty : VHC
[11:07 am] eyeoverpyramid : Hi I am new. May I ask which screener works best for you all?
[11:08 am] doji : Wow, VHC is very strong
[11:09 am] doji : At R3 now
[11:09 am] derns : Rusty..I see that VHC is/was heavily shorted..I guess this is covering based on your posted link
[11:10 am] michael : could be derns, no shares at lightspeed[11:11 am] derns : none at Schwab to short either..don't think I would do it anyways given how strong it is.
[11:12 am] michael : guess we should have gone long
[11:13 am] derns : it appears near some resistance on the daily
[11:14 am] michael : I almost went long at 21.82, oops
[11:15 am] derns : like I said michael...I hesitated too...rats!
[11:19 am] lightning : attempted to short VHC, no shares. we'll see if that's a good thing!
[11:20 am] derns : so far lightning...sure looks like it was a good idea to miss it
[11:20 am] lightning : indeed, a good thing!
[11:25 am] doji : Hey Rusty, to how many chat rooms do you belong? Man, you are our "news" guys!
[11:27 am] derns : FSLR close to dropping below 30
[11:27 am] eyeoverpyramid : As a newbie, would it be appropriate to ask which screener works best for pops & drops?
[11:28 am] doji : Hey "Eye", you have competition here!
[11:29 am] Brent : welcome to the room eye, what doji means is that we have another member named eyes
[11:32 am] rusty : eyes, try finviz.com as a good general screener
[11:32 am] victor51 : No shorts at Fidelity either
[11:33 am] eyeoverpyramid : Thank you Rusty.
[11:33 am] rusty : for pops and drops something like EtradePro works for me
[11:33 am] lightning : pyramid, some use Trade-Ideas as a scanner. Joey uses Madscan.
[11:34 am] rusty : EtradePro and Trade-ideas basically same scanner if anyone interested
[11:34 am] eyeoverpyramid : Thx Lightning
[11:34 am] Kris : etrade licenses the trade-ideas scanner and includes it in their platform
[11:34 am] Kris : we have a brokers/platforms doc in the documents library
[11:35 am] Kris : bottom right hand corner button
[11:35 am] Kris : these recommends are still current
[11:35 am] eyeoverpyramid : Oh I see it. Thanks gang.
[11:39 am] eyes : who here scans with Ninja
[11:42 am] rusty : link posted half hour ago and other subscription sites calling it a rumor, TSA rocks http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=88 52&mn=16956&pt=msg&mi d=11268293
[11:45 am] thomasohana : Hey kris, did u get my email? my comp is ready
[11:45 am] victor51 : Mitch, is 3 min chart better than 1 or 2 minute for VHC
[11:58 am] rusty : MUB new yearly high today
[11:58 am] rusty : strange
[11:59 am] monster : kris, what are you sending out?
[11:59 am] mhaus : eyes, Ninja does not have scanning capabilities.
[12:00 pm] Kris : you can scan with ninja but it's not very efficient or robust
[12:00 pm] Kris : very limited
[12:00 pm] victor51 : TSA, I can see much better indicator cross over with 3 min. as compared to 1 min.
[12:00 pm] Kris : the 2 areas that ninja needs to improve on are scanning and alerts
[12:00 pm] jsn13 : so Kris how do u handle that? I'm currently using freestockcharts....
[12:01 pm] Kris : I use trade-ideas
[12:01 pm] eyes : thank Kris I was just wondering I have Etrade[12:01 pm] Kris : etrade scanner is good to go
[12:01 pm] Kris : just hard to day trade from etrade[12:01 pm] jsn13 : i don't have access to other real time scanning tools...as I'm living at canada....who provides trade ideas?
[12:02 pm] mhaus : Kris, I did not find any scanning in Ninja. Under what menu did you find it?
[12:02 pm] eyes : anyone use esignals scanning
[12:03 pm] Kris : you can scan using market analyzer
[12:04 pm] mhaus : Ok. Yes, that is very limited.
[12:04 pm] Kris : mostly limited to your data feed
[12:04 pm] jsn13 : Ed, where do u live? what time zone r u using?
[12:04 pm] Kris : and it's a resource hog
[12:04 pm] derns : market dropping
[12:06 pm] Ed : in virginia est. time zone
[12:08 pm] thomasohana : Trade Ideas is intimidating though... I just signed up for it yesterday.
[12:08 pm] jsn13 : Ok thanks.....was thinking of emailing u at around 10pm pacific time but i guess it's too late for u....it's ok then....was too risk taking juz now....got stopped out 3 times and lost big on VHC short....how did u do on VHC?
[12:08 pm] Kris : we said not to short VHC
[12:08 pm] Kris : no touchy
[12:09 pm] Ed : did not short
[12:09 pm] derns : is there any news sending market down?
[12:09 pm] jsn13 : my fault.....looking to closely and underestimate the risk....still have tons to learn....
[12:10 pm] pandozzi : nflx testing lod[12:10 pm] jsn13 : but anyway how do u know its sustainable?
[12:11 pm] derns : missed FSLR...
[12:12 pm] michael : missed AMZN too, asleep at the wheel
[12:13 pm] eyeoverpyramid : check out ACC
[12:14 pm] pandozzi : nflx lod[12:20 pm] jsn13 : Ed, can u explain a bit on why we should not short vhc? what are the signs?
[12:20 pm] Kris : easy rule JSN
[12:20 pm] Kris : price spike
[12:21 pm] Kris : if the news says chatter or rumor
[12:21 pm] Kris : and the price is moving hard, should give a decent short trade depending on the size of the initial move up
[12:21 pm] Kris : if the news has any extra details
[12:22 pm] Kris : like "Apple considering using their parts in their iphone" or "company xyz is looking to buy company"
[12:22 pm] Kris : anything with extra details with the rumor usually stay strong
[12:22 pm] jsn13 : so means plainly looking at chart patterns are not enough? even though has good setups....
[12:22 pm] Kris : yes
[12:22 pm] Kris : chart is not enough on these that's why they're a little more advanced
[12:22 pm] Kris : money is the trump card
[12:22 pm] jsn13 : ok that's the part that i missed....thanks.....i seldom care bout news....that's y got hurt.....
[12:23 pm] Kris : you get 20% you'll have enough money in it for a pullback
[12:23 pm] Kris : even if it is true
[12:23 pm] Kris : but stay on your toes
[12:23 pm] Kris : these should break right down
[12:23 pm] Kris : if you get any kind of consolidation, dump and run
[12:23 pm] jsn13 : that's what im thinking but im too aggressive.....
[12:23 pm] Kris : even if you're a little under or break even.
[12:24 pm] Kris : it's fine to be selectively aggressive
[12:24 pm] Kris : just be disciplined
[12:24 pm] jsn13 : cool i like ur explanations.....really useful for me....
[12:24 pm] jsn13 : ya i have my stops.....juz that i went in to frequent....
[12:25 pm] derns : TZA
[12:26 pm] jsn13 : this time i went in too many times and got not so good price.....greatly increases my risk.....thanks Kris for the good explanations....definitely help me to be selectively aggressive...
[12:28 pm] Kris : if you're gonna trade news moves you need a news service
[12:29 pm] Kris : then you can get the front end of it and decide on whether or not you want to take the back end.
[12:29 pm] chinhngo : what is the web of new services please?
[12:29 pm] jsn13 : I'm thinking of juz trading patterns.....but how u now it's a news trade?
[12:29 pm] Kris : price move over 2% in 1 minute
[12:30 pm] Kris : extreme volume
[12:30 pm] jsn13 : ok thanks....i will be more careful next time.....paid a huge price for that....
[12:31 pm] thomasohana : jsn, are you virtual trading?
[12:31 pm] jsn13 : real cash....
[12:31 pm] pandozzi : nflx blew through lod[12:32 pm] lightning : Kris, on this comment, do you mean that once the stock has moved 20%, there's plenty of room for it to come down? [12:23 pm] Kris : you get 20% you'll have enough money in it for a pullback
[12:32 pm] jsn13 : haha....had few good days....was up earlier today till i made dumb moves on VHC....
[12:32 pm] Ed : thx Kris, could not have said any better
[12:33 pm] lightning : BAC under $5.
[12:33 pm] Kris : I would say this
[12:34 pm] Kris : money trumps everything but a buyout
[12:34 pm] Kris : buyout is a buyout, not gonna come back
[12:34 pm] Kris : but at a certain point, if it's not a buyout and emotional buying reaches an extreme price, there will be profit taking and shorting will overtake the longs
[12:35 pm] Kris : and it will come back down enough to be profitable on the short side.
[12:35 pm] jsn13 : good point.....but knowing where is the top needs a bit more experience i guess....
[12:36 pm] eyeoverpyramid : check out TEN
[12:36 pm] Kris : yes, it does take some practice with the price action
[12:36 pm] Kris : that's why the news service helps
[12:36 pm] Kris : you see a runner
[12:36 pm] Kris : and you check the news
[12:37 pm] Kris : and it says details about the rumor
[12:37 pm] Kris : as mitch would say
[12:37 pm] jsn13 : good explanation....
[12:37 pm] Kris : be vedy vedy careful
[12:37 pm] Kris : if you just give "chatter about XYZ"
[12:37 pm] Kris : those usually correct 50% - 100% of the move.
[12:37 pm] Kris : use a 1min chart
[12:37 pm] Kris : and don't be too patient with it
[12:38 pm] Kris : either it's gonna come down or it's not
[12:38 pm] jsn13 : ok i see ur thoughts here....
[12:38 pm] Kris : usually once you break trendline[12:38 pm] Kris : I would give it about 4-5 minutes and if it's not deflating, start reducing and getting tight
[12:40 pm] Kris : another tip
[12:40 pm] Kris : I think Mitch spotted this one
[12:40 pm] Kris : Nasdaq stocks spike and fall faster
[12:40 pm] Kris : on rumors
[12:40 pm] Kris : NYSE stocks are a little slower
[12:41 pm] jsn13 : got it.....kris how do u study? do u do market replay?
[12:41 pm] Kris : so you might have to wait a little longer for NYSE stocks to turn and be more patient
[12:41 pm] jsn13 : very true.....
[12:41 pm] Kris : Nasdaq stocks less patient but they're turn sooner
[12:42 pm] Kris : I study my trades, I used to study more than I do now. I have to get back to doing more studying. A lot of distractions in my life the past 3 months.
[12:43 pm] Kris : About twice a week I look every stock in my watch lists
[12:43 pm] Kris : make notes
[12:43 pm] Kris : good to set alerts
[12:43 pm] jsn13 : how do u study ur trades? ok i actually study my trades every night....but still feel like not enough studies....
[12:44 pm] Kris : I'm looking for position size, entry prices, exit prices (management)
[12:44 pm] Kris : what strategy the trade falls into
[12:45 pm] Kris : if/how I could improve the trade
[12:45 pm] Kris : how I was feeling that time of day
[12:45 pm] Kris : any distractions
[12:45 pm] jsn13 : ok i guess i need to start keeping journals.....
[12:45 pm] Kris : exactly
[12:46 pm] jsn13 : need to turn everything into concrete ideas....
[12:46 pm] Kris : you need concrete strategy
[12:46 pm] Kris : with very clear rules
[12:46 pm] Kris : so can be selective for each trade you consider taking
[12:47 pm] jsn13 : i kinda have it....i shared wit ed b4....
[12:47 pm] jsn13 : i will consult u soon....but i have modified my rules and be a bit more flexible and now I'm able to let the winners run and cut my losers short....
[12:48 pm] jsn13 : getting good results once i applied the S/R into my strategy.....but i still have problems in selecting trades....
[12:48 pm] derns : FSLR
[12:49 pm] doji : Ahhhh, FSLR always rebound from 30.... nice
[12:49 pm] jsn13 : now i probably caught 50% of the movers.....but once i got then i know how to manage them....
[12:50 pm] jsn13 : so now its bout selecting ideas....i think news service would help.....
[12:51 pm] rusty : thx and have a good night everyone
[12:52 pm] lightning : thanks TSA and everyone. See you tomorrow!
[12:52 pm] thomasohana : thx for the explanation kris! Looking forward to your email response. Everyone else have a great evening.
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