Chat Highlights From 12/16/2011

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[06:06 am] Mitch K: hi boys and girls
[06:06 am] Mitch K: should have good trading action today, expecting volatility
[06:14 am] Ed : good morning traders
[06:20 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:21 am] Kris : MT, SINA, BMO, CROX and CWH as possible shorts
[06:21 am] Kris : Today I'm watching ABV, KMP, VZ, URI, CVC and RIMM as possible longs
[06:22 am] Brent : Good morning
[06:23 am] Kris : MT and SINA are longs
[06:23 am] Kris : sorry guys
[06:23 am] Kris : URI, CVC and RIMM are shorts
[06:24 am] Kris : RIMM long was definitely a rumor
[06:28 am] Kris : 2 minutes, time to close out the week!
[06:30 am] Kris : ITMN short half
[06:31 am] Kris : VMED short half
[06:32 am] Kris : DECK short half
[06:33 am] Kris : LRCX short half
[06:33 am] Kris : out half ITMN short
[06:34 am] Kris : out another 1/4 ITMN
[06:34 am] Kris : PAY short half
[06:34 am] Kris : watching RIMM to enter a small short around 13.80
[06:34 am] Mitch K: INHX worth small short
[06:36 am] Kris : CVC short half
[06:37 am] Kris : SPY resistance around 122.80
[06:37 am] Mitch K: stop above 9 INHC
[06:41 am] Ed : watching CMI
[06:42 am] Mitch K: reversing INHX long
[06:43 am] Kris : short second half VMED
[06:43 am] Mitch K: too late at this price, try 31.15
[06:43 am] Mitch K: WDC topping
[06:44 am] Kris : SPY testing lod[06:44 am] Mitch K: HANS toppy
[06:44 am] Mitch K: RHT toppy
[06:46 am] Brent : NFLX consolidating at support here
[06:46 am] Brent : watching SINA for a bounce
[06:47 am] Kris : ITMN still making new lows
[06:47 am] Kris : SPY new lod, see if we can get some follow through to the short side, careful taking longs right now.
[06:48 am] Ed : reduce CMI
[06:48 am] Kris : RIMM short 1/4 position, saving 3 bullets
[06:49 am] Mitch K: consider reducing long in INHX
[06:53 am] Kris : out all ITMN short
[06:55 am] Ed : ANR watching
[06:55 am] Kris : CVC testing lod[06:56 am] Ed : AGCO alert
[06:56 am] Mitch K: AGCO moving
[06:56 am] Mitch K: quick short in ANR soon
[06:58 am] Kris : looks like SPY might make a lower high here, be ready for a test of the lows
[07:00 am] Kris : PAY short second half
[07:02 am] Ed : reduce AGCO
[07:02 am] Mitch K: another helping on CMI short soon
[07:04 am] Mitch K: note buying in indexes
[07:05 am] Ed : buy rating issued on CMI
[07:06 am] Kris : out half CVC short
[07:07 am] Kris : watching TZA for a long
[07:08 am] Ed : CAT watching for potential short
[07:08 am] Kris : short another 1/4 RIMM
[07:09 am] Mitch K: new high on INHX
[07:09 am] Mitch K: trending just like ATHN yesterday
[07:12 am] Kris : TZA long half position
[07:12 am] Mitch K: looking for quick short on CSTR
[07:17 am] Brent : Consider reducing SINA if long
[07:21 am] Kris : TZA long second half
[07:23 am] Mitch K: AGCO 2nd helping short here
[07:27 am] Kris : out half TZA long
[07:28 am] Mitch K: if INHX holds this 9.50 level and goes sideways for a while, watch for a long entry
[07:30 am] Mitch K: if it breaks down much below, would not be good long
[07:30 am] Mitch K: watching CCI for bottom
[07:31 am] Brent : consider closing or reducing more SINA here
[07:31 am] Ed : if u got CAT short would reduce and protect
[07:31 am] Mitch K: good place to cover AGCO 2nd helping short
[07:44 am] Mitch K: may not look like much on the left chart on INHX but that move was 65 cents on a $9.50 stock, almost 7%; still healthy acting stock
[07:54 am] Ed : watching JBHT
[07:56 am] Ed : would like another push upward, and more vol[07:57 am] Mitch K: important if INHX makes higher high above 10.44
[07:59 am] Ed : reduce more CAT
[08:00 am] Ed : for open
[08:00 am] Ed : ZNGA extended to 5min
[08:11 am] Mitch K: higher high on INHX
[08:14 am] Brent : ERTS starting to get interesting. Watching for a bounce
[08:17 am] Mitch K: MIGHT BE WORTH SMALL, SMALL LONG in ZNGA..... small, did i say small?
[08:19 am] Mitch K: i suppose you want me to call this one too...
[08:19 am] Mitch K: you cant look at an IPO the way we looked at ATHN yesterday or INHX today
[08:20 am] Brent : watching LNKD for a bounce, would like to see it drop more
[08:20 am] Mitch K: one of the only times i would say its ok to look at the money and sell....... because there are no indicators yet, not enough history
[08:20 am] Mitch K: so it's trading action
[08:20 am] Mitch K: the mindset is different, its like get whatever you can type of thinking on IPO
[08:21 am] Mitch K: again, you sell in increments
[08:21 am] Mitch K: but be flexible, not like "Mitch said 10.20 so I'm not selling" not that way, ok?
[08:21 am] Mitch K: it's the trading action you watch now
[08:21 am] Mitch K: still strong, i would look for over 10.20
[08:22 am] Mitch K: limit order 10+
[08:22 am] Mitch K: this is like the Old Faithful geyser, erupting,
[08:22 am] Mitch K: throw limit order 9.95
[08:22 am] Mitch K: worth selling some here
[08:23 am] Mitch K: can't use slow platform for ipos, need something like Lightspeed or Ninja Trader
[08:23 am] Mitch K: hey qwert, that's over 4% profit
[08:23 am] Mitch K: i don't like it now
[08:23 am] Mitch K: yeah, sell all long in ZNGA
[08:24 am] Brent : consider reducing ERTS if long
[08:24 am] Mitch K: lol, i don't even trust a consolidation on ZNGA
[08:24 am] Mitch K: sell ZNGA
[08:24 am] Mitch K: yeah, i don't care for it, don't have patience enough to deal with this, happy with 50 cents
[08:25 am] Mitch K: good job guys, don't stress if it goes to 10.40, i don't care for it now
[08:26 am] Mitch K: another problem i see, is it is priced at $10 and it is trading at 10, no premium,
[08:26 am] Mitch K: there is so much bad press on ZNGA, it's not like a brokerage firm can recommend it, they have to wait for first quarter earnings at least.
[08:26 am] Mitch K: they have to wait after the quiet period
[08:27 am] Mitch K: making sense to you?
[08:27 am] Mitch K: you want an IPO to be HOT HOT HOT, and then drop drop drop, then the odds are good for you on that FIRST BIG DROP
[08:28 am] Mitch K: now let's look at the daily on INHX
[08:28 am] Mitch K: or today's INHX
[08:28 am] Mitch K: right there is some decent odds in itself
[08:28 am] Mitch K: see INHX on left, drop from 13 to under $7 right?
[08:28 am] Mitch K: this is totally different situation than yesterdays ATHN
[08:29 am] Mitch K: high of 16+ to around 8.40? interesting. half of equity came out of it last 2 weeks. that is interesting for a long scalp esp when today had most of the drop, a blowoff drop
[08:30 am] Mitch K: i suggest not to play with ZNGA now, the best odds play is over
[08:31 am] Brent : consider reducing LNKD
[08:32 am] Mitch K: i don't see INHX as a swing trade yet derns, takes a while for stock to digest a drop like that, 3-4 days usually
[08:32 am] Mitch K: over the long term, it's more important to know why, to learn.
[08:32 am] Mitch K: this Trading Room isn't just about stock ideas, it is also about learning why
[08:35 am] Mitch K: indexes dropping hard
[08:37 am] Mitch K: if you play around with something like ZNGA now, you get frustrated trying to squeeze a little money out of it. then you get frazzled and rattled and then miss other good ideas. you ever done that?
[08:38 am] Mitch K: lol, you girls are too funny
[08:39 am] Mitch K: you basically are trying to keep fresh, alert, good state of mind, sort of a "ready position" like in sports
[08:40 am] Mitch K: and you can't be fresh if you are caught up playing with ideas that had little profit potential and low odds, comprende?
[08:45 am] Mitch K: see this flat spot here in INHX, usually heads up to higher high on this chart
[08:45 am] Mitch K: sort of like ATHN yesterday but ATHN was much stronger
[08:48 am] Mitch K: watching AGCO for long
[08:48 am] Mitch K: watching CTXS for long here
[08:49 am] Mitch K: CTXS is more of a quickie
[08:49 am] Mitch K: watching LPS drop
[08:50 am] Kris : test
[08:51 am] Kris : thanks apple
[08:51 am] Mitch K: don't get in hurry to buy LPS
[08:57 am] Brent : SPY new lod[08:58 am] Kris : is anyone still long TZA?
[08:58 am] Mitch K: i would think low $15 is interesting support for LPS
[08:59 am] Kris : I would reduce a little if you're day trading it new trader, move up your stop and start looking at TNA
[08:59 am] Kris : TNA has support around 41.60
[08:59 am] Mitch K: doesn't look like it will
[08:59 am] Mitch K: getting more interesting but like to see if 15 holds
[08:59 am] Mitch K: new lows today on indexes
[08:59 am] Mitch K: still no hurry yet on LPS
[09:00 am] Kris : should get a tradeable bounce soon but wait for a hold of support area.
[09:00 am] Mitch K: worth a little long here LPS 15.10 area
[09:01 am] Kris : LPS nice one mitch[09:01 am] Kris : money money money money[09:01 am] Mitch K: blind squirrel gets lucky
[09:01 am] Mitch K: could get 15.30 on a quick pullback on LPS
[09:02 am] Mitch K: looking for over 16
[09:02 am] Mitch K: we are talking about LPS now
[09:03 am] Mitch K: don't go long LPS now, too late
[09:03 am] Mitch K: probably smart to sell LPS
[09:04 am] Ed : nice call Mitch
[09:04 am] Kris : TNA long half
[09:04 am] Mitch K: cancel that 15.30 buy limit order you might have
[09:04 am] Mitch K: it's pretty much over on LPS, way i look at it
[09:05 am] Mitch K: be on alert for something else but not a hurry to jump in something else, just be on alert, steady state of mind
[09:05 am] Mitch K: SPY at bottom
[09:05 am] Mitch K: SPY trying to bounce, will help long scalps
[09:05 am] Mitch K: what do you do when its over?
[09:06 am] Mitch K: although LPS is independent of the indexes. LPS has news on its own that drives it
[09:07 am] Mitch K: now what you do is monitor LPS for a top to short for advanced traders, small position, did I say small on this? I'd be interested in mid 16s IF it gets there, which is doubtful
[09:12 am] Kris : LPS b-b-b-b-beautiful
[09:12 am] Kris : out half TNA long
[09:13 am] Mitch K: nobody is giving themselves a hard time if you no longer long right?
[09:13 am] Mitch K: remember, preserve the state of mind
[09:15 am] Mitch K: and i start with small initial short. if i don't get it, no big deal; looks like we won't get that price
[09:15 am] Mitch K: ok, now this pullback last 2 candles on the LPS, if you didn't short, what I do is try to short on a little rebound, maybe at 16 area
[09:16 am] Mitch K: but we do stupid things too, just not as often
[09:16 am] Mitch K: ok, small initial short, move up limit order above 16 on LPS short idea
[09:16 am] Mitch K: so i am willing to not do a trade if i don't get the price. that's the difference between new traders and more experienced ones.
[09:17 am] Mitch K: LPS prob gets to 16.10
[09:22 am] Mitch K: ok, if you haven't shorted LPS, it's a NO GO
[09:27 am] Brent : SPY testing lod[09:34 am] Ed : watching WPI for more selling
[09:40 am] Mitch K: Good one my dear Watson
[10:16 am] Mitch K: we have been getting some real doozies with these pharmaceuticals last few days, is it three now?
[10:16 am] Mitch K: WPI, ATHN, INHX
[10:22 am] Ed : he always gets the blame
[10:22 am] Mitch K: but if it doesn't work out, blame Ed
[10:22 am] Mitch K: Ed likes SINA on daily chart
[10:22 am] Mitch K: for swing trade long
[10:22 am] Mitch K: i like it too, i see $60 next week if market stays neutral to bullish
[11:25 am] Brent : SHLD getting some increasing volume
[11:43 am] Mitch K: SHLD interesting here long
[12:36 pm] Kris : best setups will have sustained or increasing volume
[12:36 pm] Kris : email me vilazio and I'll send you some more info
[12:36 pm] Kris : when we say "watching' that is usually for a price trend reversal vilazio.
[12:37 pm] Kris : kris@tradestocksamerica.com
[12:49 pm] Kris : PETM going on a run
[12:50 pm] Kris : could give a tradable short reversal soon
[06:06 am] mikewd2 -: all i want for Xmas, is another ATHN trade
[06:07 am] mikewd2 -: Inhibitex drops 29% after Pharmasset amends hepatitis C trial
[06:08 am] joeytsa : ahhh, i saw the VRUS news
[06:09 am] joeytsa : gap down : INHX,VRUS,SINA,RIMM,
[06:09 am] qwert : idix gapped down on the same news as inhx[06:10 am] mikewd2 -: less than 7 dollar stock qwert[06:10 am] joeytsa : gap up:ADBE,AMZN,ATHN,GOLD,GLNG[06:11 am] mikewd2 -: also RRR joey
[06:11 am] joeytsa : acquisition on RRR
[06:13 am] doji : Hi Joey, RIMM will be interesting today, hoping for a pop at the open and then short
[06:13 am] vilazio : I have one question. ATHN has small candle bars but why the prices are moving big?
[06:13 am] doji : will wait for a moment after the market opens. It opened high yesterday and then pulled back
[06:14 am] qwert : uri up as well as rrr and they are the ones doing the acquisition
[06:15 am] doji : I am also monitoring ADBE for short; it was downgraded today
[06:15 am] joeytsa : yeah doji...RIMM is a mess
[06:16 am] doji : Unless obviously want to mess up with the "short" paty and acquires RIMM!
[06:16 am] doji : a competitor I mean, to acquire RIMM
[06:16 am] storage : Any comments on INHX
[06:16 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, doesn't RIMM have a huge amount of cash
[06:17 am] doji : Remember, ZNGA trades today!
[06:17 am] doji : $10 is the IPO
[06:17 am] rusty : INHX somewhat different drug than VRUS that being said it was up mostly on speculation
[06:18 am] mikewd2 -: speculation about a buyout for INHX?
[06:18 am] joeytsa : yeah doji, ZNGA will be fun to watch at least
[06:19 am] rusty : spec about the drug itself and given VRUS a takeout - but hard to spec on takeout when drug still in trials
[06:19 am] mikewd2 -: seems like INHX would head back to the $4's
[06:19 am] mikewd2 -: understand, thanks rusty
[06:20 am] rusty : http://www.streetinsider.com/rating_history.p hp?q=rimm RIMM analysts
[06:20 am] joeytsa : the SPY looks like 1 giant triangle to me
[06:21 am] derns : hey Joey...what time frame are you looking at SPY on to form a triangle?
[06:23 am] rusty : CNBC was pumping RIMM not 2 weeks ago, now hates it
[06:24 am] truck : derns,,just a rumor about Kris going long RIMM
[06:24 am] joeytsa : RIMM is a mess, but that doesn't mean you can't buy it for a quick pop :)
[06:26 am] joeytsa : will also be watching CRM,CVX from previous days moves
[06:27 am] rusty : Quadruple witching today
[06:27 am] pandozzi : what a rush on that athn trade yesterday
[06:27 am] mikewd2 -: apple you still holding ATHN?
[06:27 am] joeytsa : you had a nice position on too
[06:28 am] mikewd2 -: INHX bouncing up
[06:28 am] pandozzi : joey were u in on it
[06:28 am] doji : RIMM dropping more
[06:28 am] joeytsa : i was in on the short, just after the news broke
[06:29 am] rusty : ISTA hostile takeover
[06:29 am] joeytsa : then i left, came back as it was bouncing up...missed most though..still grabbed 3pts
[06:29 am] pandozzi : nice....love the play by play from mitch[06:29 am] joeytsa : it was great...INHX up from $7
[06:31 am] joeytsa : what the heck happened to ROST?? did they split or really disappoint
[06:32 am] rusty : Poor Think Equity..they upgraded INHX this am with target 20
[06:35 am] rusty : ROST split
[06:36 am] joeytsa : thanks rusty, that's what i figured..looked like too easy math for me haha[06:36 am] rusty : 2:1
[06:38 am] rusty : INHX vs VRUS side by side comparison for anyone who cares
[06:38 am] doji : INHX Mitch
[06:39 am] joeytsa : trail/tighten stop on SINA if short
[06:40 am] eyes : CMi[06:40 am] skydiver : WDC - rumors
[06:41 am] doji : Anyone short in RIMM after the open?
[06:41 am] joeytsa : all out SINA
[06:42 am] lightning : watching ITMN for a bounce at some point
[06:43 am] joeytsa : SINA still tumbling
[06:45 am] rusty : SINA 24 rsi...getting tempting for swing long at least partial entry....will watch for panic or eod[06:45 am] rusty : before jumping in
[06:45 am] joeytsa : another stock down $100 on the year
[06:46 am] apple : it is amazing, isn't it?
[06:47 am] richard : Watching VRUS
[06:48 am] rusty : WYNN radar
[06:51 am] joeytsa : nice trade on INHX
[06:52 am] doji : VMED string vs SPY Kris
[06:53 am] observer : Metals new hod[06:55 am] joeytsa : AGCO nice spike
[07:03 am] mikewd2 -: CMI hod[07:03 am] joeytsa : the ES banged on 1223, really needs to break the 1225 area for a nice run
[07:05 am] doji : Aggg stopped CMI Short
[07:06 am] joeytsa : CRM broke out
[07:09 am] vilazio : PAY short no good
[07:09 am] mikewd2 -: IHNX moving up nicely
[07:10 am] doji : PAY and VMED, no love definitely
[07:11 am] lightning : all out ITMN long.
[07:11 am] vilazio : PAY short near stop
[07:12 am] vilazio : PAY stopped out Oh my goodness
[07:19 am] joeytsa : BIDU, nice move off bottom
[07:19 am] eyes : QLIK
[07:20 am] rusty : SOHU hod[07:20 am] mikewd2 -: YOKU hod[07:20 am] joeytsa : ES touching 1225
[07:21 am] lightning : watching GMCR
[07:22 am] bopphaley : Could you say a few nice words about INHX again?
[07:22 am] truck : I like it too Eyes,,but no vol[07:22 am] mikewd2 -: watching INHX, broke trend line
[07:23 am] rusty : LIVE radar....bullshort type....but not a lot of volume
[07:23 am] joeytsa : tighten stop on BIDU if long
[07:24 am] joeytsa : np apple, BIDU was a beautiful setup
[07:25 am] lightning : S GMCR
[07:29 am] michael : S GMCR @ 45.95
[07:29 am] mikewd2 -: out CMI S 89.30 - thanks Ed
[07:30 am] Ed : nice trade mike
[07:32 am] derns : Kris..do you have a target for TZA?
[07:34 am] apple : thx for AGCO
[07:34 am] derns : VIX..I think I heard this correctly..CNBC said the low VIX is reflecting short term holiday good feelings, but future VIX (out to Feb), it is over 30.
[07:34 am] joeytsa : good to know derns thanks
[07:34 am] derns : that kinda makes sense, I think
[07:35 am] mikewd2 -: ATHN hod[07:36 am] mikewd2 -: i really like the matrix on TS - great tool
[07:37 am] joeytsa : i keep reading of dow4000 or even lower
[07:37 am] joeytsa : most i are just guesses i think..but read one that made a little sense...
[07:38 am] joeytsa : said that the reason dow is still high is due to public money, big money is mainly playing futures/commodities etc[07:38 am] derns : actually, the whole "Obama-short" Kris refers to has given me some trading certainty
[07:39 am] khall : SEC accuses former Freddie Mac and Freddie May execs with security fraud - there's a shock
[07:39 am] joeytsa : once market gets ugly public will sell in droves
[07:40 am] joeytsa : but i still think the market will at least attempt one big move up
[07:40 am] khall : I meant Fannie May - sorry
[07:40 am] joeytsa : play it as it comes
[07:40 am] khall : maybe one move up, but then...
[07:40 am] doji : Still holding RIMM Kris?
[07:41 am] derns : joey...2012 should present some interesting trading opportunities
[07:41 am] lightning : stopped GMCR short
[07:42 am] joeytsa : agree derns...i try not to predict, just react..but sometimes my brain gets biased
[07:43 am] derns : that's an understatement for me...I told my wife what you said..and will repeat it...amateurs want to be right, pros want to make money! She is pounding that into my head!
[07:43 am] khall : well, the good thing about trading the way we do is that we can act on what is here now, and not worry too much about what the overall market will or won't do
[07:44 am] joeytsa : that was nice Mitch
[07:44 am] apple : that's right khall, here in the NOW
[07:45 am] anthonyb : Guys, if you discovered a simple play in the market on 1 or 2 specific stocks, that made over 2% 4 days a week and lost 1% 1 day a week, would you think that you were on to something?
[07:45 am] joeytsa : do that once a day on 1000 shares = $156k/yr :)
[07:46 am] joeytsa : anthony, math looks ok as long as the % stays constant
[07:47 am] Brent : If it doesn't have to do with what time it is. Then I would say yes anthonyb[07:47 am] anthonyb : no specific time. just every morning
[07:48 am] Brent : just a joke. How far back have you back tested it?
[07:49 am] anthonyb : a few months
[07:49 am] joeytsa : anthony, anytime you make twice what you lose, 50% win rate gives you a decent profit
[07:50 am] Brent : good work anthony, always nice to see extra work pay off
[07:50 am] anthonyb : i'm still proving it. But I am on to something
[07:50 am] cowboyh : GEOY up over 2.5 pts just this morning yaaa TSA team
[07:50 am] anthonyb : I will share
[07:51 am] anthonyb : It's very simple
[07:51 am] lisas : Anthony, you mentioned matrix in same post, is it part of your set up? If separate, I agree, matrix is great, love that is has a volume traded histogram
[07:51 am] anthonyb : I don't know what matrix is
[07:52 am] joeytsa : yeah derns..bounce more ideas back and forth...just make money, don't try to be right haha[07:53 am] anthonyb : lisas, what is matrix
[07:53 am] apple : when does ZYNG come out?
[07:53 am] lisas : anthony, it's a trading dom in Tradestation.
[07:54 am] anthonyb : no matrix, no indicators other than price
[07:54 am] apple : got out of AGCO too soon
[07:57 am] doji : Kris, still in RIMM please?
[07:57 am] skydiver : INHX still climbing slowly
[07:59 am] derns : got out of TZA too early..stopped out on tight stop
[08:03 am] skydiver : still in INHX - moving up -
[08:05 am] doji : ZNGA opens
[08:05 am] lightning : watching ERTS for possible bounce
[08:05 am] apple : ZYNG
[08:06 am] anthonyb : might get another ride down the hill with FSLR
[08:06 am] derns : ZYNG..I heard the founder/CEO took a preferential sale on shares he owned as part of the IPO>>>$108 million
[08:08 am] rusty : SINA hod[08:08 am] derns : issued 100 million shares in the float, I think
[08:11 am] doji : Plenty of buyers at 10 in ZNGA
[08:11 am] lightning : ZNGA trying to get under 10
[08:15 am] lightning : mmmm....ERTS
[08:16 am] doji : ERTS should have natural support at 20
[08:19 am] mikewd2 -: nice call on ZNGA Mitch
[08:20 am] qwert : i already got .40 cents on very small position
[08:22 am] jsn13 : anyone long ZNGA? I can't see any volume on ZNGA for ninja trader....
[08:23 am] doji : Ok, 1 share out ZNGA
[08:23 am] qwert : i know awesome thx
[08:23 am] lisas : got slightly over 4%
[08:24 am] doji : got 5%
[08:24 am] lisas : only 25 shares, but interesting!
[08:25 am] doji : Watching FSLR
[08:25 am] anthonyb : hey who's on the FSLR short?
[08:25 am] anthonyb : it was blowing my hair back for a little bit there
[08:26 am] vilazio : Brent, is it good set up for LNKD dropping more?
[08:27 am] qwert : yep
[08:27 am] skydiver : yes
[08:27 am] doji : People is not seeing value in ZNGA beyond 10
[08:30 am] derns : Mitch..do you see INHX as a swing opportunity?
[08:32 am] scalpman : I'm flat...great day today $$$$...
[08:32 am] apple : good for you scalp
[08:32 am] qwert : awesome scalp
[08:32 am] skydiver : Thanks Mitch for learning the why
[08:33 am] doji : Derns, I see it more as a short
[08:34 am] derns : thx doji...short because of the big drop and the open gap below 7.80?
[08:35 am] derns : SPY dropping like yesterday..started with a bang yesterday and consistently sold off...I wonder if it will do the same today
[08:36 am] doji : What I say Derns is that if the news that were released today are true, the potential for a drop (hard drop) is higher vs going long. You will have to wait 3-4 days
[08:36 am] derns : thx doji...that makes sense
[08:38 am] lisas : no, but I've heard of someone who has
[08:38 am] doji : Me too Lisas[08:38 am] apple : i know a friend who did that only once, tho[08:38 am] lisas : kind of like PAY today
[08:39 am] lisas : shows we listen MK
[08:40 am] pandozzi : there probably cute too
[08:40 am] apple : pay was not good for me
[08:41 am] doji : You are right Mitch I got frustrated with PAY and VMED, got stopped and then lost the shorts!
[08:41 am] lisas : good for me now, but took too much heat, should have stopped and reentered
[08:43 am] bopphaley : And, I bet there smart, too Pandozzi[08:47 am] lisas : PAY back a lod[08:47 am] pandozzi : that's obvious
[08:48 am] rusty : GRO cheap stock worth watching for a short if daytraders take it up enough
[08:49 am] rusty : doubled off of lows in a few days
[08:49 am] joeytsa : big vol spike on LPS
[08:49 am] derns : rusty...I love your ideas, but I am afraid of shorting low priced stocks...my fear
[08:50 am] doji : SPY testing lows
[08:51 am] rusty : on the low priced stocks I make sure to wait for volume
[08:51 am] rusty : and am very patient
[08:51 am] mikewd2 -: Lender Processing sued by Nevada's Attorney General
[08:52 am] derns : LPS...something to do with 2 employees who committed fraud as notaries...I THINK...not certain
[08:53 am] joeytsa : same company where notary who leaked info died?
[08:53 am] doji : YEs, he was asking Kris about RIMM like three hours ago
[08:54 am] joeytsa : for you swingers, FDX touching recent res
[08:55 am] derns : LPS blew thru some support at 16.49
[08:55 am] eyes : L ERTS 20.40 out half 20.60 1/4 .70 1/4 .65
[08:55 am] joeytsa : closing LPS short
[08:56 am] Kris : what was your question doji,
[08:56 am] qwert : way to go eyes
[08:56 am] apple : L PAY 36.31
[08:56 am] doji : Asking if you were still in RIMM, but never mind
[08:57 am] doji : Already closed my short
[08:57 am] Kris : ok
[08:58 am] jsn13 : nope....out really early....
[08:58 am] newtrader : yes I am long TZA
[08:59 am] khall : me too
[08:59 am] derns : nice trade joey..I think there is support for LPS between 15.30 and 15.45 and then again at 13.05..hope it gets there!
[08:59 am] joeytsa : thanks derns, yeah...might get down there...
[09:00 am] joeytsa : just came up as a cb stock, wasn't there when i shorted
[09:01 am] aussie123 : TNA.......LOD
[09:02 am] doji : TNA
[09:03 am] derns : moved my stop up on LPS and got stopped out 3 secs later
[09:03 am] joeytsa : good timing?
[09:04 am] mikewd2 -: didn't play LPS, awesome call Mitch
[09:04 am] pandozzi : thx mitch nailed it
[09:04 am] derns : yeah joey...good/lucky timing for me
[09:05 am] qwert : use it and lose it
[09:06 am] mikewd2 -: LRN
[09:08 am] doji : The only short that worked today for me was SLB below 68. Thanks!
[09:09 am] joeytsa : Mitch: when a stock is listed as circuit breaker, you have to hit an uptick to short?
[09:12 am] Mitch K: Joey, i don't think so
[09:12 am] Mitch K: on circuit breaker
[09:12 am] joeytsa : thanks mitch, i thought that was the rule
[09:12 am] joeytsa : which would make that trade more advanced for some
[09:18 am] chinhngo : set short lps at 16.10
[09:20 am] joeytsa : GS on the daily not far from 52wk low
[09:22 am] joeytsa : if that doesn't hold, might be bombs away
[09:23 am] joeytsa : Are markets closed on both 12/26 and 1/2 ?
[09:24 am] Mitch K: http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/trader.aspx?id=ca lendar
[09:24 am] Mitch K: yes on both days closed
[09:24 am] Mitch K: 26th DEC and 2 JAN
[09:26 am] jolliffboy : Mitch - since it's a no go short on LPS is it now a long opportunity???
[09:26 am] Mitch K: no jollifboy, not interested in LPS. hey chingo, LPS at 16.10 NO GO
[09:29 am] chinhngo : short jbht again at 44.92 is ok ?
[09:31 am] Ed : i think there will be better opportunities chinhngo, we just have to be patient
[09:31 am] pandozzi : I'm waiting with my bullets loaded : )
[09:34 am] doji : Watching FSLR, may lose 30
[09:35 am] derns : DOW is down 40 and S&P is even
[09:36 am] joeytsa : the ES close to overnight lows
[09:37 am] joeytsa : IBM hammered today
[09:37 am] vilazio : Ed do ya see WPI more selling?
[09:38 am] chinhngo : i have long agco at 40.55 may i know what is stop please?
[09:38 am] derns : ok..that explains DOW...I can't find a news reason for IBM's drop..possible fade long?
[09:39 am] joeytsa : chinhngo..you should know your stop b4 you even enter your trade
[09:40 am] Brent : If your still in stop should be under low of day Chingo[09:40 am] joeytsa : dern: they have been on a nice run
[09:40 am] doji : The SPY is not helping Chingo, not for longs at this moment
[09:40 am] chinhngo : thank mr brent set stop agco at 40.00
[09:41 am] derns : I hope it drops to 179.60 to close the gap from 11/25
[09:41 am] joeytsa : IBM recently had 52wk hi, but just broke thru 20/50ema
[09:41 am] Ed : vilazio I like it more at or near 58.78ish
[09:43 am] Ed : don't always get what u want
[09:43 am] lightning : FSLR closing in on 30
[09:44 am] doji : Yes light
[09:44 am] joeytsa : FXE having issues at 130 area
[09:44 am] doji : Previous low was at 30.04, needs to go below it with conviction for a nice short
[09:45 am] doji : The SPY should help
[09:45 am] apple : i need to be more patient....
[09:46 am] joeytsa : me 2 apple, esp this part of the day
[09:52 am] bopphaley : 200 ma finally ticked up on INHX 1 min
[09:53 am] rusty : @AP: BREAKING: Fitch considering downgrading ratings for Belgium, Spain, Slovenia, Italy, Ireland and Cyprus.
[09:54 am] rusty : out few minutes ago
[09:55 am] joeytsa : they might as well just give out a planetary downgrade
[09:55 am] derns : news flash..Earth's credit rating is downgraded!
[09:55 am] joeytsa : this slow trickle of news is getting annoying
[09:55 am] apple : FSLR lod[09:57 am] joeytsa : thanks for the update rusty
[10:00 am] rusty : Fitch affirms France, outlook negative
[10:01 am] derns : rusty..what does that mean...no downgrade, just an affirmation that things are negative?
[10:01 am] rusty : Fitch = Julian Assange[10:02 am] skydiver : well - I'm long FSLR at 30.05, watching paint dry
[10:02 am] skydiver : SPY climbing
[10:03 am] joeytsa : sky: instead of moving like jagger, its moving like richards?
[10:03 am] derns : rusty..I seen now, they affirmed AAA rating...same as the USA
[10:03 am] rusty : Fitch: France's negative outlook indicates slightly greater than 50% chance of a downgrade.
[10:04 am] derns : but affirmed...boy, talk about splitting the hairs!
[10:04 am] joeytsa : still not great new right
[10:08 am] mikewd2 -: ZNGA lod[10:09 am] weston : planning to short WPI
[10:10 am] derns : CNBC Steve Liesman puts a 6/7 out of 10 for a "depression" or severe recession in EU
[10:10 am] joeytsa : SINA the only thing kinda moving
[10:12 am] vilazio : SINA up
[10:13 am] apple : nice on WPI
[10:13 am] chinhngo : short wpi at 59.76 is ok ?
[10:13 am] weston : I just cover WPI at 59.79
[10:15 am] apple : ACN
[10:17 am] joeytsa : yep, ZOLL had a big move also
[10:17 am] lightning : watching SINA for a short opportunity
[10:17 am] joeytsa : 2-3 days ago
[10:17 am] weston : bvn short opt
[10:19 am] rusty : SOHU new hod[10:19 am] rusty : SINA "
[10:19 am] joeytsa : all out SINA l
[10:20 am] vilazio : How's SINA short on this top?
[10:20 am] joeytsa : depends on the market, might get a small pullback but the trend is up
[10:21 am] apple : vil - it's still moving
[10:21 am] joeytsa : not every top is shortable[10:21 am] Ed : not much money, plus u would be shorting into hammer trying to form on daily
[10:22 am] joeytsa : chinhngo : WPI will be a better short below 59.72
[10:23 am] skydiver : All out of FSLR 30.62
[10:23 am] joeytsa : re-entered SINA long..trailing up
[10:24 am] joeytsa : shooting for the gap
[10:24 am] Ed : pow[10:24 am] joeytsa : touched me out...30cent profit
[10:25 am] apple : SINA was good
[10:26 am] joeytsa : yeah, 2 long trades
[10:26 am] skydiver : I need to take more coffee breaks went L FSLR 30.05 - sold 30.62
[10:26 am] joeytsa : nice giong[10:26 am] apple : good one sky
[10:29 am] eyes : EVERYONE I JUST GAVE MY WORD TO MITCH THAT I WILL ONLY PAPER TRADE FOR THE NEXT NINETY DAYS YOU ALL ARE WITNESSES AND IF I BREAK MY WORD I WANT TO BE BANED FROM THIS ROOM
[10:30 am] qwert : got your back eyes
[10:30 am] apple : we are always here for you eyes
[10:31 am] Ed : who asked about sina short?
[10:31 am] truck : With you all the way,eyes !
[10:32 am] Ed : nice trade on sina joey
[10:33 am] joeytsa : thanks ed...only mistake was not holding for the full run
[10:33 am] joeytsa : made 2 entries
[10:33 am] lisas : but eyes, when you paper trade, treat it as though it's live. It's easy to get sloppy when it's not real money. Not only paper trade, but look for positive equity curve.
[10:33 am] apple : great advice lisa[10:34 am] Ed : good point lisa[10:34 am] skydiver : I did paper for a long eyes, then started small, some days paper traded other days real
[10:35 am] eyes : That is why I quite paper trading I made a lot paper but was not consistent
[10:35 am] skydiver : Treated paper trading as real -- even sweated out some trades doing virtual
[10:35 am] skydiver : nice joey on SINA
[10:36 am] apple : me. too, you have to treat it as real. but consistency is the most important thing.
[10:36 am] joeytsa : if trading was simple everyone would be doing it...takes a lot of time
[10:37 am] Ed : sina strong
[10:37 am] eyes : I have been at this for 3 years and have not been willing to change that is why I committed to the ninety days
[10:37 am] lisas : I almost gave myself a heart attack paper trading. Decided to do some crazy stuff, got down big, then when I signed off, I was terrified that maybe I wasn't in sim mode. Scared me straight!
[10:43 am] truck : Ed,,,,what's the guys name in Richmond that was one of the original Turtle Traders ?
[10:43 am] Ed : curtis[10:44 am] Ed : read his book
[10:44 am] truck : Me too
[10:44 am] Ed : great book
[10:44 am] truck : Yes
[10:45 am] lisas : Patience has paid in Pay, up 4.7% on last quarter. I don't usually hold this long, need to start
[10:45 am] Ed : told lunarman it would be great read
[10:46 am] apple : SINA moving again
[10:46 am] Ed : hey vilazio, this is what we were meaning by not trying to short sina[10:47 am] lightning : CIE short
[10:47 am] Ed : too strong, and the dips have been bought quickly
[10:48 am] Ed : is he still trading cl only
[10:48 am] Ed : that q is for truck
[10:48 am] rusty : Former MLB star Barry Bonds and legal team arrive at San Francisco courthouse for sentencing in obstruction of justice case
[10:48 am] vilazio : Yes Ed, I was wrong thx
[10:49 am] Ed : not so much wrong, just not right selection
[10:49 am] Ed : or high odds
[10:52 am] lisas : Taking off now, son called from college, has mono so I need to move his flight home up. May not be around much next couple weeks, so happy holidays all.
[10:52 am] lightning : covered CIE for some change.
[10:53 am] Ed : take care lisa[10:54 am] apple : see you lisa, hope he feels better, talk to you soon
[10:56 am] Ed : and there u go, there u go, business pro
[10:58 am] lightning : HTLD picked up steam in the last 5 minutes
[10:58 am] khall : see you later Lisa - have a good holiday and hope your son heals quickly!
[11:05 am] apple : TZOO too late
[11:06 am] vilazio : PAY up with volume
[11:07 am] derns : watching CVC
[11:08 am] chinhngo : long pay and tna[11:15 am] bopphaley : inhx life?
[11:16 am] apple : look at that consolidation on WPI - just waiting for a move
[11:21 am] apple : JAZZ moving
[11:21 am] derns : watching GMCR
[11:30 am] joeytsa : watching FOSL for break of lod[11:30 am] joeytsa : moving slow though
[11:32 am] vilazio : SHLD long @ 48.23 Brent
[11:32 am] rusty : TLT hod[11:32 am] derns : CVC at hod after bug gap down to start day
[11:34 am] apple : another new high on SINA
[11:35 am] joeytsa : thanks for SHLD Brent
[11:35 am] joeytsa : probably got out too soon, but I'm not picky this time of day
[11:36 am] doji : Want to see more selling to risk it short
[11:36 am] joeytsa : yeah apple, SINA coming into res, push thru would be nice
[11:36 am] vilazio : I think SHLD increasing volume means about to turn over. Isn't it?
[11:37 am] joeytsa : sometimes...but that stock have been trending down since the last week of october[11:37 am] vilazio : But Joey went short
[11:37 am] doji : It's only one of the indicators
[11:38 am] vilazio : Uh oh I still don't understand TSA language
[11:39 am] joeytsa : vilazio: not always, but usually the easiest trades are when the short-term trend is in the direction of the next larger trend
[11:39 am] apple : i have to use wider stops, i keep getting stopped out of the good ideas
[11:39 am] Brent : I was watching for a bounce vilazio, but it didn't drop enough for me. I like to see at least a 3% direct move to take a reversal. SHLD was less than 2% when it bounced
[11:39 am] doji : SHLD approaching S1 at 47
[11:41 am] doji : will break 47
[11:41 am] joeytsa : if it does, probable drop to 46.50? or lower
[11:41 am] joeytsa : no big buyers until 46.30 area
[11:42 am] drhewage : what is the idea about LRN
[11:44 am] joeytsa : picture perfect setup on SHLD, it was in an intraday downtrend then broke more support...in a downtrend on the daily and weekly charts
[11:44 am] vilazio : SHLD long again @ 47.23
[11:45 am] vilazio : Mitch please do like ATHN
[11:45 am] mikewd2 -: still looks weak to me
[11:47 am] chinhngo : long shld at 47.25
[11:48 am] joeytsa : ACN picking up some steam
[11:48 am] derns : joey...with the break of support and a quick reversal, are you suggesting that is a head fake or what?
[11:48 am] derns : or just good short while it was on the downtrend?
[11:48 am] joeytsa : not saying anything...but if YOU want to buy it, then go for it :)
[11:49 am] lightning : lol[11:49 am] joeytsa : if it moves up it will have to do it without me
[11:49 am] mikewd2 -: me too
[11:49 am] joeytsa : I'm on the other train :)
[11:49 am] derns : oh geez..now you're making me think..I guess the student needs to step up sooner or later
[11:50 am] mikewd2 -: i didn't' like the volume during the last sell off
[11:50 am] apple : LPS lod[11:50 am] joeytsa : derns: what i mean is, unless it's a classic Vpattern, i stick with the odds
[11:50 am] mikewd2 -: my gut is there will be at least one more
[11:50 am] rusty : Barry Bonds sentenced to 30 days electronic monitoring, 2 years probation, 250 hours community service, $4000 fine for federal conviction
[11:50 am] derns : I was thinking that was key...thx for the clue.
[11:50 am] joeytsa : i don't try to catch every wiggle a stock makes
[11:51 am] derns : and answer
[11:51 am] jsn13 : ok I gtg guys.....see u all on monday morning......quite a good day for me....3/3 up 1k.....although not as much as yesterday....thanks guys for the ideas here....
[11:51 am] doji : FSLR on the move, second time it rebound very strong from 30 in the last two days
[11:51 am] Ed : nice trading jsn13
[11:52 am] mikewd2 -: nice work jsn13
[11:52 am] joeytsa : closing 2nd SHLD s
[11:52 am] vilazio : SHLD stopped out again
[11:52 am] joeytsa : coming into double bottom
[11:53 am] jsn13 : 3 consecutive green days....1st time after 1 full years of day trading....thanks TSA....
[11:53 am] lightning : nice jsn. go for 4 on Monday!
[11:53 am] Ed : great, study this weekend so u can stay in the "ZONE"
[11:53 am] joeytsa : let's see is SHLD wants to play whack-a-mole again :)
[11:54 am] doji : SHLD still weak, the rebound volume was half of the selloff
[11:54 am] jsn13 : Yup i did my study at least an hour b4 i sleep.....thanks for the S/R lesson ED....u did a great job....
[11:54 am] rusty : Update: Judge agrees to stay sentence while Barry Bonds appeals conviction
[11:54 am] joeytsa : SINA might be cracking? keep an eye out
[11:55 am] jsn13 : an hour a day keeps u in the zone everyday.....bye guys...have a great weekend....
[11:56 am] doji : SINA daily is in a downtrend Joey
[11:57 am] joeytsa : so is the weekly
[11:57 am] joeytsa : but been strong today
[11:57 am] joeytsa : looks like it wants to stay strong at the moment
[11:58 am] apple : thx MK, K, B, E and everyone. It's been a great day. Have a wonderful weekend.
[11:58 am] Ed : take care apple
[12:00 pm] doji : YEap Joey, SINA closed the gap today. Let's see how it moves on Monday
[12:00 pm] joeytsa : impressive move past few minutes
[12:01 pm] doji : I agree
[12:01 pm] Ed : I'm still holding 1/4 position in sina will decide on carrying over
[12:02 pm] Ed : did not expect such a big move
[12:02 pm] joeytsa : be good if SINA can hold this level
[12:08 pm] doji : Hey Ed, did you recommend SINA on the room? I might have been distracted
[12:11 pm] joeytsa : not liking that SINA action at the moment
[12:11 pm] joeytsa : needs a vol push up
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : not sure if anyone mentioned it, but House passes $1T spending bill
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : avoids shutdown
[12:18 pm] joeytsa : watching AMZN
[12:18 pm] joeytsa : avoided the 3peat in SHLD
[12:19 pm] mikewd2 -: covered SINA S 1%
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : i didn't take the 3rd short in SHLD doji[12:20 pm] Ed : it was mentioned,
[12:20 pm] khall : I could kick myself. I was in it L earlier and got out waaay too soon.
[12:21 pm] Ed : brent called it earlier
[12:21 pm] joeytsa : good trade mike
[12:23 pm] doji : SPY dropping
[12:24 pm] doji : SINA moving down
[12:25 pm] joeytsa : and down goes SHLD
[12:25 pm] mikewd2 -: Ed you carrying SINA over?
[12:26 pm] Ed : will decide before close
[12:26 pm] Ed : I'm way ahead on trade
[12:27 pm] Ed : it was called by Brent at 9:50est this am
[12:27 pm] joeytsa : AMZN turning into a nice short
[12:27 pm] Ed : little b4 then
[12:28 pm] joeytsa : might be bottoming here
[12:29 pm] mikewd2 -: SHLD still falling, getting a little more interesting
[12:29 pm] mikewd2 -: any news on SHKD?
[12:29 pm] mikewd2 -: SHLD
[12:29 pm] joeytsa : all out AMZN
[12:30 pm] Ed : nice trade joey
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : thanks...think that might be my last of the week
[12:30 pm] qwert : hey everybody have a great weekend more great calls today see ya next week
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : only 30 minutes left, don't want to force something dumb
[12:31 pm] qwert : nice trade on amzn joey
[12:31 pm] Ed : c ya qwert[12:31 pm] Brent : have a good weekend qwert[12:31 pm] rusty : Gilbert Gottfried CNBC
[12:34 pm] vilazio : I am trying to understand what you are talking here. I misunderstood the language and doing wrong. If you say watching for long or short it is clearer for newbies.
[12:36 pm] vilazio : Thx Kris now I take a note
[12:37 pm] vilazio : I will Kris many thx
[12:37 pm] victor51 : joey, good analysis on SHLD
[12:38 pm] joeytsa : thanks..didn't take that last move down though
[12:38 pm] Ed : best trades are one u miss
[12:49 pm] chinhngo : shld will be the same with athn yesterday i hope ?
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