Chat Highlights From 12/14/2011

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[06:15 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:16 am] Brent : good morning
[06:16 am] Ed : Good Morning
[06:16 am] Kris : This morning I'm watching ABT, AEP, BMY, VZ, GMCR, BRCM and AVP for possible long trades
[06:17 am] Kris : SWC, FSLR, CVC and DV as possible short trade setups
[06:27 am] Kris : 3 minutes, Time to Rock! Let's all have a great day. Stay focused and be patient for good setups.
[06:30 am] Kris : FSLR short half
[06:31 am] Kris : CAT short half
[06:32 am] Kris : watching GMCR for a long soon
[06:33 am] Kris : SWKS long half
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching SGI for bottom,
[06:34 am] Kris : NFLX long half
[06:34 am] Kris : out half FSLR short
[06:35 am] Kris : watching SINA for a long reversal
[06:36 am] Kris : out another 1/4 FSLR short
[06:36 am] Kris : out half CAT short
[06:36 am] Mitch K: Green Mountain brewers likely to continue decelerating, says Stifel Nicolaus[06:36 am] Mitch K: Green Mountain is down on Keurig shipment volume concerns
[06:37 am] Kris : FOSL short half
[06:37 am] Kris : out another 1/4 CAT short
[06:39 am] Kris : QLIK short half
[06:40 am] Kris : PXD weak
[06:41 am] Kris : watching TIBX for a long reversal
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching TIBX for bottom to buy
[06:42 am] Kris : careful here with GMCR if you have it long, could give one more leg down if it breaks lod.
[06:43 am] Kris : SPY starting to come into some resistance here soon.
[06:43 am] Mitch K: AVB strong, could keep moving when market rebounds
[06:45 am] Kris : looking for FOSL to make a new lod[06:48 am] Brent : SPY new lows
[06:48 am] Kris : GMCR holding up against the market
[06:48 am] Kris : out all FSLR
[06:49 am] Kris : CAT new lod[06:49 am] Kris : still holding 1/4 CAT short
[06:50 am] Kris : ILMN long half
[06:51 am] Kris : FMCN long half
[06:51 am] Kris : out half FOSL short
[06:52 am] Brent : watching SPRD for a bounce
[06:52 am] Kris : well done scalpman[06:53 am] Kris : SPY trying to bounce
[06:54 am] Mitch K: IDCC moving fast
[06:55 am] Ed : IDCC takeover chatter
[06:55 am] Kris : VRTX long half
[06:58 am] Kris : see how she handles this area
[06:58 am] Kris : SPY coming into resistance
[07:01 am] Kris : SPRD looking juicy, nice one bert[07:02 am] Kris : will watch RIMM for a bounce to short into
[07:08 am] Kris : getting ready for this SPRD long
[07:08 am] Kris : SPY testing lod support
[07:08 am] Kris : yes weston, looking to add soon
[07:09 am] Kris : looking for seller exhaustion
[07:09 am] Kris : we're getting a new volume high
[07:09 am] Mitch K: GMCR looks toppy
[07:10 am] Kris : ILMN consolidating near the hod, looking strong
[07:12 am] Kris : long half SPRD
[07:12 am] Mitch K: looking for bounce in FIO
[07:15 am] Mitch K: watching drop in FMCN again
[07:19 am] Ed : yes
[07:19 am] Kris : long second half SPRD
[07:19 am] Mitch K: i think FMCN was a Muddy Waters stock, wasn't it? they tend to have a trap door underneath them
[07:21 am] Kris : out half SPRD long
[07:23 am] Kris : out another 1/4 SPRD long
[07:24 am] Ed : nice call Kris/Brent
[07:24 am] Kris : looking for 18.54 on my last 1/4 SPRD long
[07:24 am] Kris : out all SPRD long
[07:26 am] Kris : Brent T-Bone
[07:26 am] Kris : go team
[07:29 am] Kris : SPY trying to push through resistance
[07:31 am] Kris : I stopped out on FMCN, I still have VRTX and SWKS
[07:32 am] Kris : ILMN near hod[07:33 am] Ed : OPEN hod[07:39 am] Kris : out half ILMN long
[07:39 am] Kris : out half VRTX long
[07:40 am] Ed : AMZN lod[07:43 am] Mitch K: anyone long IOC still?
[07:47 am] Ed : nice call richard IOC
[07:55 am] Ed : watching BSFT not enough vol. yet
[08:02 am] Mitch K: you guys are shorting the tops of these bounces right?
[08:07 am] Ed : will pass on BSFT don't like vol[08:23 am] Ed : DMND
[08:23 am] Ed : thx appl/rusty
[08:24 am] Ed : advance trade
[08:25 am] Ed : no news
[08:25 am] Ed : yet
[09:24 am] Mitch K: late to see this but prob more upside
[09:28 am] Ed : EQR has resistance around 55.37ish
[09:33 am] Mitch K: probably getting a lift from French saying S&P has not warned them about a pending downgrade from AAA
[09:33 am] Mitch K: that's a dubious reason for a bounce though
[09:35 am] Mitch K: consider reducing SHLD if long
[09:39 am] Mitch K: does anyone ever beat themselves up for getting a bad price or not trusting yourself and you keep working that negativity in your mind?
[09:40 am] Mitch K: you guys are too funny
[09:42 am] Mitch K: i think you have to keep looking forward. if you don't trust yourself, go back to practicing on a virtual trading platform and make sure you understand the technique you are using and are good at it. then when you trade with real money, trust yourself
[09:42 am] Mitch K: if you aren't sure of the technique or aren't sure you are doing it right, your lack of trust in yourself is justified
[09:43 am] Mitch K: but if you practiced a solid technique and are good at it, just play out the procedure and let the odds pay out
[09:49 am] Ed : EQR wounding up for move higher
[09:49 am] Ed : not recommending to trade
[09:52 am] Brent : SHLD not a good setup for 3min fade eyes. Had broken through resistance, was less than 1 % above the vwap[09:58 am] Brent : SPY trying to bounce off support
[10:07 am] Mitch K: you guys watching gold down $76 oz[10:08 am] Mitch K: Euro under 130
[10:43 am] Brent : watching AEP, volume coming in
[10:49 am] Mitch K: watching AEP
[10:55 am] Ed : watching CVX
[11:00 am] Ed : CVX asked to suspend all drilling in brazil
[11:12 am] Brent : consider reducing AEP here if long
[11:23 am] Mitch K: AEP turning over
[11:27 am] Ed : would reduce some CVX if u got long
[11:36 am] Brent : SPY testing lod[11:38 am] Brent : CVX lod[11:57 am] Ed : watching PAY
[12:00 pm] Ed : pass on PAY, range is small, not enough $
[12:21 pm] Ed : VPHM hod[12:29 pm] Ed : would not be shorting VPHM, unless ur extremely quick and nimble
[12:31 pm] Ed : AKRX
[12:32 pm] Ed : reduce if u got long AKRX
[12:37 pm] Ed : reduce more AKRX
[12:52 pm] Ed : test
[12:43 pm] Ed : thx Brent
[12:43 pm] Brent : nice one Eddie Money
[12:43 pm] Ed : out all AKRX
[12:43 pm] Brent : nice one Eddie Money
[12:43 pm] Ed : thx Brent
[01:00 pm] Ed : Have a great night guys/gals
[01:01 pm] Brent : have a great night, see you in the morning
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: later guys

Users Chat
[05:55 am] qwert : fslr down a ton this am
[05:57 am] joeytsa : FSLR earnings
[05:58 am] doji : Hi Joey, don't know why I closed my FSLR short yesterday
[05:58 am] joeytsa : made a nice comeback..looks like they touched under $33
[06:00 am] doji : FSLR will be a good short if it doesn't brake 40
[06:01 am] lightning : GMCR has continued its strong down move from yesterday
[06:01 am] joeytsa : that is a picture perfect chart for a short
[06:02 am] doji : Remember, windows dressing this at YE
[06:03 am] doji : ANR, BAC, CSC, FSLR, JNS, WFR, MWW, NFLX, AIG, X, GMCR
[06:03 am] joeytsa : doji: also triple or quad witch on friday[06:04 am] doji : Yeah, the next 3 days will be very interesting
[06:05 am] joeytsa : i basically stopped pre-market trading
[06:06 am] joeytsa : not sure why i did though
[06:06 am] joeytsa : i go thru phases where i do something, then i stop, then get back into it etc[06:06 am] doji : Well, since July this market has been crazy and nothing follows the usual patterns
[06:07 am] joeytsa : i used to play gaps premarket if i saw them making a move a minute or 2 b4 the open
[06:07 am] doji : I think FSLR will move at the open but then fall again, hopefully close to 30
[06:08 am] joeytsa : I'm sure it will move at the open, just play it as it moves
[06:08 am] michael : hi all. AMZN right at yesterday's low of 178.50
[06:08 am] joeytsa : i was just looking at AMZN michael
[06:09 am] mikewd2 -: Netflix coverage resumed with a Neutral at Goldman target 82
[06:12 am] joeytsa : 1225 still looks like a strong number on the ES
[06:15 am] derns : I see AMZN is below 179 pre-market...
[06:15 am] derns : SLV/AGQ gapped down; FSLR big gap down
[06:19 am] apple : gm doji - i love you! i woke up to a nice surprise this morning. I held FSLR overnight. I owe you lunch!
[06:19 am] doji : No WAy!!!!!!!! and I closed it yesterday...
[06:20 am] doji : I am happy for you Apple!
[06:20 am] apple : you said it was going to go down to at least 40 - i got out at 36.40
[06:21 am] doji : I'll short it after the market opens
[06:21 am] doji : The futures are moving dow since 8:00 ET this morning
[06:23 am] joeytsa : thanks for the list Kris, watching BIDU also
[06:24 am] joeytsa : major crude selling..under $97 now, inventories out at 7:30pst
[06:25 am] truck : What is the deal with oil ? Big supply ? Slow economy ? What ?[06:26 am] joeytsa : you got me truck...yesterday it was the iran story
[06:26 am] doji : NFLX dropping
[06:27 am] joeytsa : FXE not far from 52wk low
[06:28 am] joeytsa : euro weakness should give the dollar a nice rise
[06:29 am] joeytsa : rise in dollar should make gold fall?
[06:32 am] mhaus : IOC
[06:34 am] mhaus : FMCN
[06:35 am] mikewd2 -: FST
[06:35 am] doji : Die, FSLR die
[06:35 am] derns : GMCR aggressively dropping
[06:35 am] doji : Short from 36.82
[06:37 am] joeytsa : AAPL looking weak so far
[06:37 am] mhaus : GTLS
[06:37 am] doji : out 1/2 FSLR 34.61
[06:39 am] mikewd2 -: out 1/2 FST
[06:40 am] joeytsa : BIDU consolidating a bit
[06:40 am] joeytsa : the ES uptrending 6 pts since the open
[06:41 am] mikewd2 -: AGQ coming off bottom
[06:42 am] mhaus : AVB
[06:43 am] mhaus : HIG rumor
[06:44 am] mikewd2 -: SGI a bit late
[06:44 am] joeytsa : CVX nice gap close
[06:44 am] joeytsa : ESRX trying too
[06:45 am] mhaus : IOC
[06:47 am] joeytsa : market testing lows
[06:48 am] derns : watching AMZN
[06:49 am] truck : watching APA
[06:51 am] scalpman : ouT 1/2 gmcr l
[06:52 am] michael : so you know I learned from yesterday, if LCC turns over here around 5.45 I will reshort it, otherwise I'll wait
[06:53 am] doji : GMCR moving
[06:53 am] joeytsa : PCLN weak
[06:54 am] mhaus : IDCC
[06:55 am] mhaus : IDCC chatter
[06:55 am] doji : out 1/4 FSLR
[06:55 am] doji : Trailing last 1/4
[06:55 am] mhaus : RVSN
[06:56 am] joeytsa : PM gave up the entire quick spike on the open
[06:56 am] lightning : watching SPRD for bounce
[06:57 am] lightning : SGI has been a beautiful long
[06:58 am] joeytsa : want to see AMZN top with the market
[06:58 am] mikewd2 -: yes it has lightning
[07:01 am] scalpman : Out another 1/14 GMCR L
[07:01 am] lightning : all out SGI long here
[07:01 am] trvlntrdr : Trgt below 8-- might move if it breaks above
[07:02 am] scalpman : All out GMCR
[07:02 am] vilazio : SPRD for long or short?
[07:02 am] doji : No bottom for FSLR
[07:02 am] doji : Apple, did you short it again?
[07:03 am] lightning : vilazio, we're watching SPRD with the idea that it may become a long...it isn't ready yet
[07:04 am] joeytsa : that was a really nice rebound on GMCR
[07:05 am] weston : hey Kris, are you still holding FMCN?
[07:05 am] joeytsa : FIO diving
[07:08 am] thomasohana : SPRD looks exhausted...
[07:10 am] joeytsa : AMZN trying to lose $176
[07:11 am] joeytsa : AMZN might just leg down from there if it loses that support
[07:11 am] apple : yes, doji, out now
[07:12 am] thomasohana : SPRD turning?.... maybe?
[07:15 am] richard : SPRD
[07:15 am] joeytsa : nice call Mitch
[07:16 am] derns : SPRD...stepped away for 3 sec's and got stopped out
[07:18 am] eyes : what's your stop SPRD Kris
[07:22 am] vilazio : FMCN long now?
[07:22 am] scalpman : Out 1/2 SPRD
[07:24 am] scalpman : Out another 1/2 SPRD L
[07:24 am] scalpman : 1/4
[07:25 am] joeytsa : crude inventories in 5m
[07:25 am] derns : nice trade on SPRD scalpman, others...my stop was too tight
[07:25 am] michael : SPRD was great, thank you Brent/Kris
[07:25 am] scalpman : All out SPRD
[07:25 am] qwert : thx for fslr and sprd awesome!
[07:25 am] truck : thanks for SPRD
[07:25 am] thomasohana : yea, thanks for SPRD for sure
[07:26 am] lightning : still trailing my last bit of SPRD to see if it can get through VWAP
[07:26 am] vilazio : I didn't know why watching FMCN drop . But it goes up.
[07:26 am] scalpman : Two great trades today...thanks Kris and Brent...
[07:27 am] vilazio : I missed FMCN
[07:27 am] weston : hey Kris, dunno whether if you are still holding these stocks: SWKS,FMCN and VRTX
[07:28 am] thomasohana : SPRD breaking thru VWAP
[07:29 am] richard : IOC
[07:29 am] qwert : great job lightning
[07:31 am] joeytsa : quick 65cent spike down then $1 up quick move
[07:31 am] Ed : nice one richard
[07:31 am] truck : look at SPRD...more than 50% retracement !
[07:31 am] michael : did you take it joey?
[07:31 am] thomasohana : Go SPRD!
[07:31 am] joeytsa : inventories down 1.9B?
[07:32 am] lightning : all out SPRD
[07:32 am] weston : thanks :), btw may I know usually how do you set up your stop?
[07:32 am] joeytsa : michael, went by wayyy too fast
[07:32 am] michael : I almost went for the long, but the down confused me
[07:32 am] truck : good light,,,I was out 30 min ago !
[07:32 am] joeytsa : i use tick charts...you should see my screen haha[07:33 am] mhaus : Weston, usually questions get answered after 1:00PM EST
[07:33 am] eyes : L sprd 18.09 out 1/2 18.27 1/4 18.28 1/4 19.20
[07:34 am] Ed : nice eyes
[07:34 am] mhaus : you have your stop just below the support if long or just above resistance if short
[07:34 am] qwert : way to go eyes
[07:35 am] mhaus : COG
[07:38 am] vilazio : hod is for long or short
[07:38 am] lightning : watching SPRD again for another bounce...would like it to drop a lot more first though
[07:38 am] apple : high of day - lod low of day
[07:39 am] vilazio : OK is it for short?
[07:39 am] Ed : just mentioning, will continue to monitor for potential trade
[07:39 am] qwert : k thx for vrtx and ilmn[07:42 am] derns : AMZN...
[07:43 am] Ed : was it dan or derns that shorted amzn yesterday
[07:45 am] lightning : no OPEN shares to short at LS
[07:45 am] derns : I wish I had on a real trade...I opened a short on simulation only...but I did study it...there doesn't seem to be support on the daily until it hits 174 and then down to 161...RSI is currently 13.4
[07:45 am] Ed : wondering if u still held it
[07:45 am] derns : that is re: AMZN
[07:46 am] derns : I don't hold a short for a real trade
[07:46 am] Ed : gotcha
[07:47 am] derns : Lightning..I think you said you were watching for another drop in SPRD
[07:47 am] doji : IOC was a nice call, unfortunately I didn't get it, on a conference call
[07:48 am] apple : thx for COG mhaus[07:48 am] doji : But FSLR has been very nice with me
[07:48 am] anthonyb : all out SINA short
[07:49 am] doji : Just having a good entry price and then just moving my stops!
[07:50 am] doji : IOC turning
[07:50 am] apple : good call on CAT, K, unfortunately i had my stop close, but made some #
[07:50 am] jsn13 : anyone shorted SPRD at the top?
[07:51 am] derns : no SPRD shorts available at Schwab
[07:51 am] anthonyb : derns, you need a new broker
[07:51 am] mikewd2 -: shares were available at etrade[07:51 am] lightning : I didn't try to short SPRD...wish I had
[07:51 am] derns : ZSL
[07:52 am] jsn13 : are there any for IB? i din try as well....
[07:52 am] eyes : is anyone s ioc here
[07:53 am] khall : yes, IB has SPRD for shorts
[07:53 am] qwert : not yet eyes but watching
[07:53 am] anthonyb : jsn13. IB has them for you to short
[07:55 am] anthonyb : RIG might break lod here
[07:55 am] lightning : and there it goes
[07:55 am] anthonyb : moving stop to 40.50ish on RIG short
[07:56 am] doji : Oil stocks very weak today
[07:57 am] mhaus : CAG
[07:57 am] lightning : OPEN may give a long soon if volume picks up
[07:57 am] lightning : OK, I'm looking for OPEN to get to 37.50ski
[07:57 am] rusty : EBAY to challenge GRPN
[07:58 am] rusty : http://mashable.com/2011/12/14/ebay-to-challe nge-groupon/
[07:58 am] anthonyb : I made one trading mistake today.
[07:58 am] mhaus : JOY
[07:58 am] qwert : sorry eyes was looking around and missed entry for ioc short
[07:59 am] anthonyb : ES at lod[07:59 am] michael : JOY great mhaus, I just saw it late
[07:59 am] rusty : putting SOHU on radar for a swing
[08:00 am] anthonyb : JOY has given me "no joy" today
[08:00 am] qwert : ilmn still looking good
[08:01 am] derns : SPRD..almost back to its lod. Brent/Ed/Kris...is it a bad idea to play the same 3 min fade on a repeat?
[08:02 am] anthonyb : all out RIG short
[08:02 am] qwert : eyes did you get ioc short
[08:02 am] apple : yes
[08:02 am] anthonyb : yes sir
[08:02 am] Brent : If SPRD drops enough on volume it could set up another 3min fade, but this isn't a 3min setup here
[08:03 am] apple : thx for the reminder B
[08:04 am] derns : Brent..thx..Got that, I am waiting for the set up (volume, consecutive candles, etc.). I was questioning whether a repeat fade is wise or stay away.
[08:31 am] Ed : added 31.07 and 30.79
[08:33 am] lightning : watching ROSE for a bounce
[08:33 am] jsn13 : Ok thanks.....
[08:33 am] weston : my broker doesn't have shares to let me short :(
[08:39 am] rusty : SLV, SLW worth watching
[08:40 am] jsn13 : doji what do u think about ROSE?
[08:43 am] mhaus : OSK
[08:49 am] truck : Gold down $81.00...Anyone remember last time that happened ?
[08:50 am] rusty : GLD and SLV moves getting extended
[08:51 am] apple : jsn did you take ROSE L? had a nice consolidation then move up
[08:53 am] mhaus : ACOM
[08:55 am] jsn13 : Nope.....cos it looks like it won't bounce....
[08:57 am] rusty : looks like DMND up on this perhaps... http://mydmnd.com/pages/default.aspx
[09:02 am] apple : CAT lod[09:02 am] chinhngo : can i long on cat ?
[09:03 am] apple : chin it was just a comment - it's been going down all day
[09:05 am] apple : and still moving
[09:05 am] apple : thx rusty for SOHU
[09:06 am] weston : mhaus are u in ACOM?
[09:07 am] mhaus : No. Just watching
[09:08 am] derns : DMND and AMZN creeping back up
[09:09 am] apple : IDCC moving
[09:10 am] apple : when does the webinar replay expire? I need to view it again. thanks.
[09:11 am] joeytsa : next week i think
[09:11 am] derns : SPY moving up..maybe temporarily
[09:11 am] khall : I'd actually love to have the webinar on a DVD. Is that still a possibility?
[09:13 am] rusty : Analyst cuts FSLR target to $20
[09:13 am] apple : wow - good for us
[09:13 am] joeytsa : wow PCLN almost hit that $100 drop from the top
[09:14 am] joeytsa : did you catch AMZN ed[09:14 am] mhaus : SHLD
[09:14 am] Ed : nope, missed the whole move
[09:15 am] lisas : I was wondering the same thing khall, Ed, do you know if webinar will be on DVD. I think they said it would at one time.
[09:15 am] joeytsa : yeah me too, i catch it on the next move
[09:15 am] Ed : I had it drawn up too
[09:15 am] Ed : not sure lisa[09:15 am] joeytsa : yeah, almost $8 drop from the 178 level
[09:16 am] mhaus : Lisas, I think by December 25th. Mitch can confirm.
[09:16 am] joeytsa : gold nice and weak
[09:17 am] doji : AMZN has resistance at 76.....
[09:18 am] joeytsa : euro just had a spike
[09:19 am] richard : watching BIDU
[09:19 am] doji : AMZN S half here
[09:20 am] apple : doji are you still in FSLR
[09:20 am] joeytsa : derns: you here?
[09:20 am] doji : Filled at 174.94, now trailing, it should work by itself while I take the call
[09:20 am] derns : sure am Joey...
[09:20 am] joeytsa : you catch AMZN?
[09:20 am] doji : That is my friends, multitasking
[09:21 am] joeytsa : i know you were watching it
[09:21 am] doji : Yes, at 9:19AM
[09:22 am] joeytsa : China preparing to unleash stimulus on global slowdown fears
[09:22 am] doji : NFLX also turning
[09:22 am] derns : I did not short it live...I saw it bounce off 170.38...I wonder if it breaks 170 in the next few days
[09:22 am] doji : same as BIDU
[09:22 am] rusty : http://www.streetinsider.com/rating_history.p hp?q=fslr&firm=18 FSLR genius analyst
[09:22 am] joeytsa : gotya[09:22 am] derns : What kind of stimulus can China unleash?
[09:23 am] joeytsa : not sure...but saw that they are getting their navy ready for action
[09:24 am] doji : BIDU
[09:24 am] derns : the world needs China to become a sustainable consumer economy and let some others export for a while
[09:25 am] apple : nice chart on SHLD
[09:25 am] joeytsa : guy on fast money said that if AAPl breaks $370..he is calling a $300 target
[09:26 am] joeytsa : derns : china article on forbes.com
[09:26 am] derns : apple..interesting on SHLD...is that a potential fade to short
[09:26 am] joeytsa : China's hU tells navy to get ready for military combat
[09:27 am] apple : no, MK just said late to see but prob more upside -- see comment
[09:28 am] derns : Joey..you weren't joking...china has a very large navy...larger than US I think
[09:29 am] joeytsa : no joking
[09:29 am] apple : see the joke would be on us
[09:32 am] derns : France says they have not been notified by S&P of any pending action
[09:32 am] apple : do not ever underestimate the Chinese
[09:33 am] derns : apple..yes...chinese military action could certainly be a game changer on market dynamics..
[09:33 am] doji : SHLD at resistance
[09:34 am] joeytsa : i did a lot of reading on them 2-3 yrs ago
[09:35 am] joeytsa : they had a ton of infrastructure plans in the works...not sure how far they went thru with them...
[09:35 am] joeytsa : about 20 airports in the works, 12 the size of O'Hare
[09:35 am] apple : that is a lot and O'Hare is big
[09:36 am] khall : when I was in Angola last year they were sending workers over to Luanda to "help" build infrastructure there and were in talks with Angola for shares in the offshore oil plays
[09:36 am] khall : they are definitely planning ahead
[09:36 am] derns : you can certainly be productive in a communistic regime
[09:36 am] apple : yes, khall, i read about that -- they wanted to help Africa
[09:36 am] joeytsa : good to know khall..also heard canada planning to ship oil to asia[09:37 am] joeytsa : help africa or help them unload some resources? :)
[09:37 am] khall : help themselves to resources
[09:38 am] khall : the thing about Africa is they have resources, just not the skill or means to free them up
[09:39 am] eyes : any one s SHLD here
[09:39 am] apple : no, eyes
[09:40 am] eyes : I do
[09:40 am] lisas : no, but I heard some people do
[09:40 am] jsn13 : ME
[09:40 am] joeytsa : only when it's my mistake
[09:40 am] apple : i have a friend who did
[09:40 am] lisas : a distant relative did
[09:40 am] joeytsa : if i take a chance on getting a bad price and i do, then i don't get mad
[09:41 am] jsn13 : how to work on that Mitch?
[09:41 am] joeytsa : not sure what burns me more...going limit and missing my trade or going market and getting a crappy fill
[09:42 am] joeytsa : all depends on the trade expectation i guess
[09:42 am] apple : great advice, MK
[09:42 am] eyes : It's not funny I keep beating my head against the wall
[09:42 am] michael : hard watching the train leave the station Joey when you're not on it
[09:42 am] mhaus : watching PRGO
[09:43 am] joeytsa : yes mitch, and if the trade still doesn't work out you still have to ask yourself ' did i do the right thing? '
[09:43 am] joeytsa : and would i do it again..or get back in if the trade is still valid
[09:43 am] mhaus : Sure of the technique, still do some stupid stuff :-(
[09:43 am] jsn13 : That's the part that i missed, letting those not working out one sticked in my mind...
[09:44 am] Mitch K: well, as in individual sports, or even team sports, it is a process of minimizing the mistakes that make big progress
[09:44 am] lisas : journaling or a trade log helps a lot
[09:44 am] apple : yes it does, lisa[09:44 am] joeytsa : only if you study it lisa haha[09:45 am] lightning : covered 1/3 IDCC short there
[09:46 am] Ed : one must trade in the now, like a QB, if he throws and keeps recalling in negative way, he never gets passed it and plays scared
[09:47 am] lightning : covering the rest of IDCC...
[09:48 am] Ed : he definitely has the mental framework for being a winner
[09:48 am] jsn13 : Ok good advices....thanks...but getting bad prices on stocks that u r kinda confident in did reduce ur confidence since risk is higher...
[09:48 am] joeytsa : trading goal should be flawless performance
[09:49 am] apple : that's right, joey, practice makes perfect (or as good as it gets)
[09:49 am] jsn13 : The tradeoffs between price and confirmation was the prob for me...
[09:49 am] lightning : watching WLT for a possible short
[09:50 am] lisas : jsn, I was reviewing one of the videos yesterday and Kris said if the stock didn't move the way he expected, he did start protecting the trade
[09:50 am] lisas : within a reasonable time period
[09:50 am] apple : and that is the smart thing to do
[09:50 am] joeytsa : good advice
[09:51 am] jsn13 : have come across stocks that did not move up for a while and suddenly shot up? if u stay with ur stop loss, they can have high payoffs....
[09:51 am] eyes : How do you get confidence when I shorted 3 min fade shld and look
[09:52 am] joeytsa : jsn: that's patience, mine is lacking quite often
[09:53 am] jsn13 : leaving the 3% -5% stop loss open is the prob here....u have 2 conflicting ideas here.....
[09:56 am] joeytsa : jsn: you need some kind of rules that you are comfortable with
[09:57 am] joeytsa : WLT on a nice run
[10:00 am] jsn13 : to be honest i have it.....running through simulations i can be up 5% or more on good days...even bad days i can BE....the funny thing is that looking at the price actions, thin too much and missed those moves... hard to justify in a concrete way what good moves/price actions mean....
[10:02 am] jsn13 : if i chase certain moves, having a wide stop loss is risk even with perfect setup....so often time, i missed the moves....
[10:03 am] joeytsa : no easy answer...let trades come to you, if they work out great, if not so be it..if you miss it oh well
[10:04 am] apple : jsn, there are always plenty of ideas coming thru here. be patient and study
[10:04 am] jsn13 : they are fantastic mover like FMCN and GMCR in the morning.....
[10:05 am] jsn13 : but luckily i got a 5% on SPRD....that was nice...
[10:06 am] joeytsa : i don't use %, so someone else can help you there
[10:07 am] apple : joey, thinks in terms of $$$
[10:07 am] joeytsa : only because that's how i pay my bills :)
[10:07 am] apple : not in percentages...
[10:07 am] jsn13 : as in 5% profit on SPRD....
[10:07 am] joeytsa : yeah gold getting torched
[10:08 am] joeytsa : dollar should be having a good day
[10:08 am] apple : CAT did a nice reversal
[10:09 am] joeytsa : as far as %vs$...it's because i can spot money/trade targets easier..it's not that one is better than the other...the main thing is if the trade is a good idea or not
[10:09 am] jsn13 : Ed, did u play SPRD n the morning? at which bar u start to go long?
[10:09 am] lightning : WLT looks like it is turning over
[10:10 am] joeytsa : yeah light...not the best r/r for me
[10:10 am] joeytsa : it's between s/r
[10:11 am] lightning : S= 61.78 and R= 60.97?
[10:11 am] joeytsa : unless it gives a buy, then maybe a 2:1 r/r
[10:16 am] joeytsa : WLT turned into a nice trade
[10:18 am] joeytsa : WLT hitting res, needs a vol push or a slight pullback is coming
[10:40 am] mhaus : IDCC
[10:41 am] mhaus : GMCR moving steadily
[10:43 am] lightning : AEP drop
[10:43 am] lightning : sorry, not much there yet
[10:45 am] victor51 : I had only one trade today because of TS problems. ITMN is moving up good. Thanks.
[10:52 am] derns : looks like the same from when I left!..watching AEP
[10:55 am] jimv : CVX?
[10:55 am] michael : CVX dropping on good volume
[11:04 am] lightning : you would think the CVX news would push up oil prices, but they continue to fall.
[11:05 am] victor51 : LONG eap AT 38.50 WITH TIGHT LIMIT
[11:06 am] weston : nice!
[11:07 am] weston : when is the best time to get im these trade? CVX &AEP
[11:09 am] rusty : BRAZIL PROSECUTORS ASK CHEVRON (CVX) FOR 20 BLN REAIS IN DAMAGES
[11:09 am] rusty : out little while ago
[11:15 am] mhaus : LRN!!!
[11:19 am] derns : GMCR is crazy
[11:24 am] Ed : weston both CVX and AEP were advanced trades
[11:27 am] weston : got ya..thanks
[11:28 am] apple : just got back, wow look at NFLX!
[11:32 am] michael : should get another chance here
[11:35 am] michael : AMZN might make its next trip to the basement here soon
[11:35 am] apple : amzn[11:37 am] apple : nice chart...
[11:37 am] lightning : AKRX drop
[11:41 am] apple : nice drop on CVX
[11:46 am] weston : light do u plan to get in AKRX?
[11:46 am] derns : RIMM CEO's are worst CEO's of 2011 per Herb on CNBC
[11:46 am] qwert : bye everybody gotta go do some Christmas shopping see ya in the am thanks for all the good calls
[11:46 am] Ed : c ya qwert[11:46 am] lightning : weston, maybe. AKRX needs to stop dropping first.
[11:46 am] derns : have a good afternoon qwert[11:47 am] apple : derns, i think Corzine was the worst CEO
[11:47 am] joeytsa : corzine just had terrible timing :)
[11:48 am] derns : Corzine was excluded on the pick because he is not the MF CEO, currently. But, I think you have a very good point..he can't find $1.2 billion.
[11:48 am] lightning : yes, he has really suffered. I expect he'll be at Occupy Wall Street from now on.
[11:48 am] apple : GMCR made a nice comeback today
[11:50 am] lightning : the difference between Madoff and Corzine is that Madoff knows where the money went: houses, jewelry, his kids, boats, etc.
[11:51 am] derns : lightning..that's an interesting point...I seem to recall Madoff knew all..kept the books in his head
[11:52 am] joeytsa : derns: it has to do with the borrowing of stocks etc...will try to find a really good article i read on sun or mon[11:53 am] apple : CVX lod[11:55 am] joeytsa : http://tycoonreport.tycoonresearch.com/articl es/924700843/lessons-from-mf-global-is-your-m oney-at-risk
[11:55 am] joeytsa : that was one i read derns[11:55 am] derns : DMND..slowly creeping again..gotta be slow short covering..look at GMCR
[11:55 am] weston : nice call on ARKX, light thanks
[11:56 am] derns : thx for the article..will read after closing
[11:56 am] apple : thx MK, K, B, E and everyone. Got to pick up my son from school. Everyone have a great evening.
[11:57 am] lightning : glad you took it. I was looking for it to test 10.03 before going long. So I missed it.
[11:57 am] joeytsa : no prob, good info there, esp the tues and wed articles
[11:57 am] Ed : c ya apple
[12:01 pm] joeytsa : oil ends below $95
[12:01 pm] Ed : sweet crude
[12:02 pm] joeytsa : at least until the next iran situation
[12:02 pm] Ed : which could be seconds
[12:02 pm] derns : AMZN bounced off its lowest point since March...back up in safer territory
[12:03 pm] joeytsa : been thinking about a leap in oil, same with gold on a pullback to 1500
[12:05 pm] joeytsa : zynga ipo already listed as a sell from 1 analyst
[12:05 pm] joeytsa : opens on fri?
[12:06 pm] derns : I'm beginning to think the expected y/e Santa Claus rally to S&P 1330 is highly unlikely
[12:06 pm] joeytsa : we'll know in 2 weeks
[12:06 pm] joeytsa : 12/26-1/2 i think
[12:07 pm] Ed : markets are closed 12/26
[12:07 pm] joeytsa : right, forgot...but it's that week that the rally is supposed to be
[12:08 pm] Ed : another IPO that fizzled SN
[12:09 pm] joeytsa : gold stocks/miners headed lower
[12:11 pm] Ed : VPHM is open
[12:12 pm] joeytsa : flurry of buying
[12:15 pm] derns : AMZN has developed an interesting candle on the daily
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : fighting to hold that 178 huh
[12:20 pm] Ed : what do u know PAY did what it wanted, LOL
[12:21 pm] joeytsa : yeah, but did it do what YOU wanted :)
[12:21 pm] Ed : hmmmmmmmm[12:22 pm] joeytsa : nice trade there
[12:22 pm] Ed : it did, but i could not find my ticket
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : ha
[12:24 pm] joeytsa : derns: you use schwab right? can't remember are you using sse or ssp?
[12:24 pm] derns : I am using ssp..I am used to it...which one do you use
[12:25 pm] joeytsa : sse for charts
[12:25 pm] derns : and you trade on what platform?
[12:25 pm] joeytsa : lightspeed[12:26 pm] derns : hmmm...good idea..I use esignal charts, but they are expensive and I probably don't use the tools as best I can...I have 9 charts up on one monitor
[12:27 pm] joeytsa : making the switch as soon as new computer gets here
[12:27 pm] derns : switch to esignal?
[12:27 pm] joeytsa : yeah..link it to ls order entry
[12:27 pm] derns : smart idea!
[12:28 pm] derns : AMZN...
[12:28 pm] lightning : joey, you can't link order entry between e-signal and Lightspeed -- unless that just happened in the last month or two.
[12:28 pm] joeytsa : says you can..hmmm[12:28 pm] lightning : you can link it so that when you pull up a quote in Lightspeed the e-signal chart comes up.
[12:29 pm] lightning : maybe something was developed and I didn't know about it though.
[12:29 pm] joeytsa : if you pull the quote up in your entry box wont it load the chart?
[12:29 pm] lightning : yes, but you can't trade from e-signal
[12:30 pm] lightning : for some brokers, you can trade from the chart itself.
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : no, i want to trade thru LS..just be able to use the esig charts
[12:30 pm] lightning : then you're fine.
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : oh i see what you mean
[12:30 pm] lightning : that's what I do...although trading from the charts would be cool.
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : i also think i can link both with my madscan..so 1 click loads everything
[12:33 pm] joeytsa : real nice call on AKRX
[12:38 pm] joeytsa : totally missed HUM spike down
[12:38 pm] michael : I had it joey, but only a buck so I passed
[12:46 pm] eyes : I just came back into the room after clearing my head and got L AKRX 9.56 out 1/2 .66 1/4 .75 1/4 10.00 even thanks ED
[12:46 pm] joeytsa : there ya go eyes !!!!
[12:47 pm] Ed : great going Eyes
[12:47 pm] joeytsa : taking profits here on HUM
[12:47 pm] Brent : nice one eyes
[12:47 pm] michael : we knew u had it in you eyes, we just needed you to realize it
[12:48 pm] joeytsa : gold stocks getting a quick spike
[12:50 pm] michael : natural gas even more radical decline, $5 in July to $3 now
[12:50 pm] joeytsa : AMZN over 180...big moves today
[12:50 pm] joeytsa : i still think natgas has big upside
[12:51 pm] joeytsa : just not like how most investors think
[12:51 pm] michael : I'm with you joey, just waiting
[12:51 pm] derns : joey...do you mean in terms of broad usage or stock market value, or both?
[12:51 pm] joeytsa : most investors are thinking that natgas is the actual play...they are wrong
[12:52 pm] joeytsa : in my opinion
[12:53 pm] joeytsa : derns: i think the real natgas winners will be the companies that get the jump on technologies that actually use natgas[12:54 pm] joeytsa : WAB big spike
[12:54 pm] derns : joey...what does today's AMZN activity tell us? It dropped below 177, created a new floor and bounced up
[12:54 pm] joeytsa : lower vol[12:54 pm] rusty : BPAX looks like results must have leaked
[12:55 pm] joeytsa : i have no idea derns but that area is a key for now
[12:56 pm] derns : and it has created that interesting candle on the daily..I think it is called a hammer. What a great lesson from yesterday..thx[12:57 pm] vilazio : What kind of chart is this? What are the box like indicators?
[12:57 pm] derns : vilazio...I think the light green boxes are darvis boxes.
[12:58 pm] joeytsa : dern: best guess is AMZn has strong support here, which means that it if does break and close under it should tumble
[12:58 pm] joeytsa : again, just a guess, but it has been a strong area all year
[12:59 pm] derns : got it...like I said, I watched it closely..wish I had shorted, took it off, and then went long for the day
[12:59 pm] joeytsa : same here
[12:59 pm] vilazio : darvis box? For what? How to use it?
[01:00 pm] Brent : Darvis boxes basically show recent support/resistance areas vilazio[01:00 pm] Brent : Darvis boxes basically show recent support/resistance areas vilazio[01:01 pm] derns : anyone..what does it mean when the last trade of the day has a huge candle?
[01:02 pm] vilazio : Brent they aren't they easier to check support / resistance?
[01:02 pm] joeytsa : thanks mitch[01:02 pm] derns : thx MK
[01:02 pm] Brent : I don't understand the question vilazio[01:03 pm] michael : my understanding is they are cleanup orders Derns[01:03 pm] joeytsa : been seeing those a lot
[01:03 pm] derns : ok..so I shouldn't read anything like a huge buy or sell in the last minute? I get suspicious
[01:03 pm] vilazio : I mean aren't they easier for beginners to find support and resistance at a glance?
[01:04 pm] joeytsa : lots of s/r to look at...darvis is just another
[01:04 pm] Brent : yes that's right vilazio[01:04 pm] michael : you can see them on the level 2 also, one single deal
[01:04 pm] michael : last was for Derns[01:05 pm] Brent : they don't show all s/r, just recent areas
[01:05 pm] vilazio : Thank you Brent and all. Have a nice one. Good bye
[01:05 pm] joeytsa : those throw me off too derns[01:06 pm] joeytsa : i wonder if they would trigger stop losses
[01:06 pm] michael : level 2 really shows 'em, you see 3, 2, 5, 2000
[01:06 pm] derns : thx michael...I'm looking at a number of last minute charts now...there was a lot of final trade clean-ups...perhaps by the market maker? Or is it something more sinister...like an institutional trade?
[01:07 pm] joeytsa : time/sales is more accurate than L2
[01:07 pm] michael : that answer is way above my pay grade
[01:07 pm] joeytsa : L3 is better than L2 for order flow also
[01:08 pm] joeytsa : L2...doesn't always end up going thru...
[01:08 pm] joeytsa : time/sales is the only way to confirm if the order went thru
[05:55 am] qwert  : fslr down a ton this am
[05:57 am] joeytsa  : FSLR earnings
[05:58 am] doji  : Hi Joey, don't know why I closed my FSLR short yesterday
[05:58 am] joeytsa  : made a nice comeback..looks like they touched under $33
[06:00 am] doji  : FSLR will be a good short if it doesn't brake 40
[06:01 am] lightning  : GMCR has continued its strong down move from yesterday
[06:01 am] joeytsa  : that is a picture perfect chart for a short
[06:02 am] doji  : Remember, windows dressing this at YE
[06:03 am] doji  : ANR, BAC, CSC, FSLR, JNS, WFR, MWW, NFLX, AIG, X, GMCR
[06:03 am] joeytsa  : doji: also triple or quad witch on friday
[06:04 am] doji  : Yeah, the next 3 days will be very interesting
[06:05 am] joeytsa  : i basically stopped pre-market trading
[06:06 am] joeytsa  : not sure why i did though
[06:06 am] joeytsa  : i go thru phases where i do something, then i stop, then get back into it etc
[06:06 am] doji  : Well, since July this market has been crazy and nothing follows the usual patterns
[06:07 am] joeytsa  : i used to play gaps premarket if i saw them making a move a minute or 2 b4 the open
[06:07 am] doji  : I think FSLR will move at the open but then fall again, hopefully close to 30
[06:08 am] joeytsa  : I'm sure it will move at the open, just play it as it moves
[06:08 am] michael  : hi all.  AMZN right at yesterday's low of 178.50
[06:08 am] joeytsa  : i was just looking at AMZN michael
[06:09 am] mikewd2 -: Netflix coverage resumed with a Neutral at Goldman target 82
[06:12 am] joeytsa  : 1225 still looks like a strong number on the ES
[06:15 am] derns  : I see AMZN is below 179 pre-market...
[06:15 am] derns  : SLV/AGQ gapped down; FSLR big gap down
[06:19 am] apple  : gm doji - i love you!  i woke up to a nice surprise this morning.  I held FSLR overnight.  I owe you lunch!
[06:19 am] doji  : No WAy!!!!!!!! and I closed it yesterday...
[06:20 am] doji  : I am happy for you Apple!
[06:20 am] apple  : you said it was going to go down to at least 40 - i got out at 36.40
[06:21 am] doji  : I'll short it after the market opens
[06:21 am] doji  : The futures are moving dow since 8:00 ET this morning
[06:23 am] joeytsa  : thanks for the list Kris, watching BIDU also
[06:24 am] joeytsa  : major crude selling..under $97 now,  inventories out at 7:30pst
[06:25 am] truck  : What is the deal with oil ? Big supply ? Slow economy ? What ?
[06:26 am] joeytsa  : you got me truck...yesterday it was the iran story
[06:26 am] doji  : NFLX dropping
[06:27 am] joeytsa  : FXE not far from 52wk low
[06:28 am] joeytsa  : euro weakness should give the dollar a nice rise
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : rise in dollar should make gold fall?
[06:32 am] mhaus  : IOC
[06:34 am] mhaus  : FMCN
[06:35 am] mikewd2 -: FST
[06:35 am] doji  : Die, FSLR die
[06:35 am] derns  : GMCR aggressively dropping
[06:35 am] doji  : Short from 36.82
[06:37 am] joeytsa  : AAPL looking weak so far
[06:37 am] mhaus  : GTLS
[06:37 am] doji  : out 1/2 FSLR 34.61
[06:39 am] mikewd2 -: out 1/2 FST
[06:40 am] joeytsa  : BIDU consolidating a bit
[06:40 am] joeytsa  : the ES uptrending 6 pts since the open
[06:41 am] mikewd2 -: AGQ coming off bottom
[06:42 am] mhaus  : AVB
[06:43 am] mhaus  : HIG rumor
[06:44 am] mikewd2 -: SGI a bit late
[06:44 am] joeytsa  : CVX nice gap close
[06:44 am] joeytsa  : ESRX trying too
[06:45 am] mhaus  : IOC
[06:47 am] joeytsa  : market testing lows
[06:48 am] derns  : watching AMZN
[06:49 am] truck  : watching APA
[06:51 am] scalpman  : ouT 1/2 gmcr l
[06:52 am] michael  : so you know I learned from yesterday, if LCC turns over here around 5.45 I will reshort it, otherwise I'll wait
[06:53 am] doji  : GMCR moving
[06:53 am] joeytsa  : PCLN weak
[06:54 am] mhaus  : IDCC
[06:55 am] mhaus  : IDCC chatter
[06:55 am] doji  : out 1/4 FSLR
[06:55 am] doji  : Trailing last 1/4
[06:55 am] mhaus  : RVSN
[06:56 am] joeytsa  : PM gave up the entire quick spike on the open
[06:56 am] lightning  : watching SPRD for bounce
[06:57 am] lightning  : SGI has been a beautiful long
[06:58 am] joeytsa  : want to see AMZN top with the market
[06:58 am] mikewd2 -: yes it has lightning
[07:01 am] scalpman  : Out another 1/14 GMCR L
[07:01 am] lightning  : all out SGI long here
[07:01 am] trvlntrdr  : Trgt below 8-- might move if it breaks above
[07:02 am] scalpman  : All out GMCR
[07:02 am] vilazio  : SPRD for long or short?
[07:02 am] doji  : No bottom for FSLR
[07:02 am] doji  : Apple, did you short it again?
[07:03 am] lightning  : vilazio, we're watching SPRD with the idea that it may become a long...it isn't ready yet
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : that was a really nice rebound on GMCR
[07:05 am] weston  : hey Kris, are you still holding FMCN?
[07:05 am] joeytsa  : FIO diving
[07:08 am] thomasohana  : SPRD looks exhausted...
[07:10 am] joeytsa  : AMZN trying to lose $176
[07:11 am] joeytsa  : AMZN might just leg down from there if it loses that support
[07:11 am] apple  : yes, doji, out now
[07:12 am] thomasohana  : SPRD turning?.... maybe?
[07:15 am] richard  : SPRD
[07:15 am] joeytsa  : nice call Mitch
[07:16 am] derns  : SPRD...stepped away for 3 sec's and got stopped out
[07:18 am] eyes  : what's your stop SPRD Kris
[07:22 am] vilazio  : FMCN long now?
[07:22 am] scalpman  : Out 1/2 SPRD
[07:24 am] scalpman  : Out another 1/2 SPRD L
[07:24 am] scalpman  : 1/4
[07:25 am] joeytsa  : crude inventories in 5m
[07:25 am] derns  : nice trade on SPRD scalpman, others...my stop was too tight
[07:25 am] michael  : SPRD was great, thank you Brent/Kris
[07:25 am] scalpman  : All out SPRD
[07:25 am] qwert  : thx for fslr and sprd awesome!
[07:25 am] truck  : thanks for SPRD
[07:25 am] thomasohana  : yea, thanks for SPRD for sure
[07:26 am] lightning  : still trailing my last bit of SPRD to see if it can get through VWAP
[07:26 am] vilazio  : I didn't know why watching FMCN drop . But it goes up.
[07:26 am] scalpman  : Two great trades today...thanks Kris and Brent...
[07:27 am] vilazio  : I missed FMCN
[07:27 am] weston  : hey Kris, dunno whether if you are still holding these stocks: SWKS,FMCN and VRTX
[07:28 am] thomasohana  : SPRD breaking thru VWAP
[07:29 am] richard  : IOC
[07:29 am] qwert  : great job lightning
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : quick 65cent spike down then $1 up  quick move
[07:31 am] Ed : nice one richard
[07:31 am] truck  : look at SPRD...more than 50% retracement !
[07:31 am] michael  : did you take it joey?
[07:31 am] thomasohana  : Go SPRD!
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : inventories down 1.9B?
[07:32 am] lightning  : all out SPRD
[07:32 am] weston  : thanks :), btw may I know usually how do you set up your stop?
[07:32 am] joeytsa  : michael, went by wayyy too fast
[07:32 am] michael  : I almost went for the long, but the down confused me
[07:32 am] truck  : good light,,,I was out 30 min ago !
[07:32 am] joeytsa  : i use tick charts...you should see my screen haha
[07:33 am] mhaus  : Weston, usually questions get answered after 1:00PM EST
[07:33 am] eyes  : L sprd 18.09 out 1/2 18.27 1/4 18.28 1/4 19.20
[07:34 am] Ed : nice eyes
[07:34 am] mhaus  : you have your stop just below the support if long or just above resistance if short
[07:34 am] qwert  : way to go eyes
[07:35 am] mhaus  : COG
[07:38 am] vilazio  : hod is for long or short
[07:38 am] lightning  : watching SPRD again for another bounce...would like it to drop a lot more first though
[07:38 am] apple  : high of day - lod  low of day
[07:39 am] vilazio  : OK is it for short?
[07:39 am] Ed : just mentioning, will continue to monitor for potential trade
[07:39 am] qwert  : k thx for vrtx and ilmn
[07:42 am] derns  : AMZN...
[07:43 am] Ed : was it dan or derns that shorted amzn yesterday
[07:45 am] lightning  : no OPEN shares to short at LS
[07:45 am] derns  : I wish I had on a real trade...I opened a short on simulation only...but I did study it...there doesn't seem to be support on the daily until it hits 174 and then down to 161...RSI is currently 13.4
[07:45 am] Ed : wondering if u still held it
[07:45 am] derns  : that is re: AMZN
[07:46 am] derns  : I don't hold a short for a real trade
[07:46 am] Ed : gotcha
[07:47 am] derns  : Lightning..I think  you said you were watching for another drop in SPRD
[07:47 am] doji  : IOC was a nice call, unfortunately I didn't get it, on a conference call
[07:48 am] apple  : thx for COG mhaus
[07:48 am] doji  : But FSLR has been very nice with me
[07:48 am] anthonyb  : all out SINA short
[07:49 am] doji  : Just having a good entry price and then just moving my stops!
[07:50 am] doji  : IOC turning
[07:50 am] apple  : good call on CAT, K, unfortunately i had my stop close, but made some #
[07:50 am] jsn13  : anyone shorted SPRD at the top?
[07:51 am] derns  : no SPRD shorts available at Schwab
[07:51 am] anthonyb  : derns, you need a new broker
[07:51 am] mikewd2 -: shares were available at etrade
[07:51 am] lightning  : I didn't try to short SPRD...wish I had
[07:51 am] derns  : ZSL
[07:52 am] jsn13  : are there any for IB? i din try as well....
[07:52 am] eyes  : is anyone s ioc here
[07:53 am] khall  : yes, IB has SPRD for shorts
[07:53 am] qwert  : not yet eyes but watching
[07:53 am] anthonyb  : jsn13. IB  has them for you to short
[07:55 am] anthonyb  : RIG might break lod here
[07:55 am] lightning  : and there it goes
[07:55 am] anthonyb  : moving stop to 40.50ish on RIG short
[07:56 am] doji  : Oil stocks very weak today
[07:57 am] mhaus  : CAG
[07:57 am] lightning  : OPEN may give a long soon if volume picks up
[07:57 am] lightning  : OK, I'm looking for OPEN to get to 37.50ski
[07:57 am] rusty  : EBAY to challenge GRPN
[07:58 am] rusty  : http://mashable.com/2011/12/14/ebay-to-challe nge-groupon/
[07:58 am] anthonyb  : I made one trading mistake today.
[07:58 am] mhaus  : JOY
[07:58 am] qwert  : sorry eyes was looking around and missed entry for ioc short
[07:59 am] anthonyb  : ES at lod
[07:59 am] michael  : JOY great mhaus, I just saw it late
[07:59 am] rusty  : putting SOHU on radar for a swing
[08:00 am] anthonyb  : JOY has given me "no joy" today
[08:00 am] qwert  : ilmn still looking good
[08:01 am] derns  : SPRD..almost back to its lod.  Brent/Ed/Kris...is it a bad idea to play the same 3 min fade on a repeat?
[08:02 am] anthonyb  : all out RIG short
[08:02 am] qwert  : eyes did you get ioc short
[08:02 am] apple  : yes
[08:02 am] anthonyb  : yes sir
[08:02 am] Brent : If SPRD drops enough on volume it could set up another 3min fade, but this isn't a 3min setup here
[08:03 am] apple  : thx for the reminder B
[08:04 am] derns  : Brent..thx..Got that, I am waiting for the set up (volume, consecutive candles, etc.).  I was questioning whether a repeat fade is wise or stay away.
[08:31 am] Ed : added 31.07 and 30.79
[08:33 am] lightning  : watching ROSE for a bounce
[08:33 am] jsn13  : Ok thanks.....
[08:33 am] weston  : my broker doesn't have shares to let me short :(
[08:39 am] rusty  : SLV, SLW worth watching
[08:40 am] jsn13  : doji what do u think about ROSE?
[08:43 am] mhaus  : OSK
[08:49 am] truck  : Gold down $81.00...Anyone remember last time that happened ?
[08:50 am] rusty  : GLD and SLV moves getting extended
[08:51 am] apple  : jsn did you take ROSE L?  had a nice consolidation then move up
[08:53 am] mhaus  : ACOM
[08:55 am] jsn13  : Nope.....cos it looks like it won't bounce....
[08:57 am] rusty  : looks like DMND up on this perhaps...  http://mydmnd.com/pages/default.aspx
[09:0 2 am] apple  : CAT lod
[09:02 am] chinhngo  : can i long on cat ?
[09:03 am] apple  : chin it was just a comment - it's been going down all day
[09:05 am] apple  : and still moving
[09:05 am] apple  : thx rusty for SOHU
[09:06 am] weston  : mhaus are u in ACOM?
[09:07 am] mhaus  : No. Just watching
[09:08 am] derns  : DMND and AMZN creeping back up
[09:09 am] apple  : IDCC moving
[09:10 am] apple  : when does the webinar replay expire?  I need to view it again.  thanks.
[09:11 am] joeytsa  : next week i think
[09:11 am] derns  : SPY moving up..maybe temporarily
[09:11 am] khall  : I'd actually love to have the webinar on a DVD.  Is that still a possibility?
[09:13 am] rusty  : Analyst cuts FSLR target to $20
[09:13 am] apple  : wow - good for us
[09:13 am] joeytsa  : wow PCLN almost hit that $100 drop from the top
[09:14 am] joeytsa  : did you catch AMZN ed
[09:14 am] mhaus  : SHLD
[09:14 am] Ed : nope, missed the whole move
[09:15 am] lisas  : I was wondering the same thing khall, Ed, do you know if webinar will be on DVD. I think they said it would at one time.
[09:15 am] joeytsa  : yeah me too, i catch it on the next move
[09:15 am] Ed : I had it drawn up too
[09:15 am] Ed : not sure lisa
[09:15 am] joeytsa  : yeah, almost $8 drop from the 178 level
[09:16 am] mhaus  : Lisas, I think by December 25th. Mitch can confirm.
[09:16 am] joeytsa  : gold nice and weak
[09:17 am] doji  : AMZN has resistance at 76.....
[09:18 am] joeytsa  : euro just had a spike
[09:19 am] richard  : watching BIDU
[09:19 am] doji  : AMZN S half here
[09:20 am] apple  : doji are you still in FSLR
[09:20 am] joeytsa  : derns: you here?
[09:20 am] doji  : Filled at 174.94, now trailing, it should work by itself while I take the call
[09:20 am] derns  : sure am Joey...
[09:20 am] joeytsa  : you catch AMZN?
[09:20 am] doji  : That is my friends, multitasking
[09:21 am] joeytsa  : i know you were watching it
[09:21 am] doji  : Yes, at 9:19AM
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : China preparing to unleash stimulus on global slowdown fears
[09:22 am] doji  : NFLX also turning
[09:22 am] derns  : I did not short it live...I saw it bounce off 170.38...I wonder if it breaks 170 in the next few days
[09:22 am] doji  : same as BIDU
[09:22 am] rusty  : http://www.streetinsider.com/rating_history.p hp?q=fslr&firm=18 FSLR genius analyst
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : gotya
[09:22 am] derns  : What kind of stimulus can China unleash?
[09:23 am] joeytsa  : not sure...but saw that they are getting their navy ready for action
[09:24 am] doji  : BIDU
[09:24 am] derns  : the world needs China to become a sustainable consumer economy and let some others export for a while
[09:25 am] apple  : nice chart on SHLD
[09:25 am] joeytsa  : guy on fast money said that if AAPl breaks $370..he is calling a $300 target
[09:26 am] joeytsa  : derns : china article on forbes.com
[09:26 am] derns  : apple..interesting on SHLD...is that a potential fade to short
[09:26 am] joeytsa  : China's hU tells navy to get ready for military combat
[09:27 am] apple  : no, MK just said late to see but prob more upside -- see comment
[09:28 am] derns  : Joey..you weren't joking...china has a very large navy...larger than US I think
[09:29 am] joeytsa  : no joking
[09:29 am] apple  : see the joke would be on us
[09:32 am] derns  : France says they have not been notified by S&P of any pending action
[09:32 am] apple  : do not ever underestimate the Chinese
[09:33 am] derns  : apple..yes...chinese military action could certainly be a game changer on market dynamics..
[09:33 am] doji  : SHLD at resistance
[09:34 am] joeytsa  : i did a lot of reading on them 2-3 yrs ago
[09:35 am] joeytsa  : they had a ton of infrastructure plans in the works...not sure how far they went thru with them...
[09:35 am] joeytsa  : about 20 airports in the works, 12 the size of O'Hare
[09:35 am] apple  : that is a lot and O'Hare is big
[09:36 am] khall  : when I was in Angola last year they were sending workers over to Luanda to "help" build infrastructure there and were in talks with Angola for shares in the offshore oil plays
[09:36 am] khall  : they are definitely planning ahead
[09:36 am] derns  : you can certainly be productive in a communistic regime
[09:36 am] apple  : yes, khall, i read about that -- they wanted to help Africa
[09:36 am] joeytsa  : good to know khall..also heard canada planning to ship oil to asia
[09:37 am] joeytsa  : help africa or help them unload some resources? :)
[09:37 am] khall  : help themselves to resources
[09:38 am] khall  : the thing about Africa is they have resources, just not the skill or means to free them up
[09:39 am] eyes  : any one s SHLD here
[09:39 am] apple  : no, eyes
[09:40 am] eyes  : I do
[09:40 am] lisas  : no, but I heard some people do
[09:40 am] jsn13  : ME
[09:40 am] joeytsa  : only when it's my mistake
[09:40 am] apple  : i have a friend who did
[09:40 am] lisas  : a distant relative did
[09:40 am] joeytsa  : if i take a chance on getting a bad price and i do, then i don't get mad
[09:41 am] jsn13  : how to work on that Mitch?
[09:41 am] joeytsa  : not sure what burns me more...going limit and missing my trade or going market and getting a crappy fill
[09:42 am] joeytsa  : all depends on the trade expectation i guess
[09:42 am] apple  : great advice, MK
[09:42 am] eyes  : It's not funny I keep beating my head against the wall
[09:42 am] michael  : hard watching the train leave the station Joey when you're not on it
[09:42 am] mhaus  : watching PRGO
[09:43 am] joeytsa  : yes mitch,  and if the trade still doesn't work out you still have to ask yourself ' did i do the right thing? '
[09:43 am] joeytsa  : and would i do it again..or get back in if the trade is still valid
[09:43 am] mhaus  : Sure of the technique, still do some stupid stuff :-(
[09:43 am] jsn13  : That's the part that i missed, letting those not working out one sticked in my mind...
[09:44 am] Mitch K: well, as in individual sports, or even team sports, it is a process of minimizing the mistakes that make big progress
[09:44 am] lisas  : journaling or a trade log helps a lot
[09:44 am] apple  : yes it does, lisa
[09:44 am] joeytsa  : only if you study it lisa haha
[09:45 am] lightning  : covered 1/3 IDCC short there
[09:46 am] Ed : one must trade in the now, like a QB, if he throws  and keeps recalling in negative way, he never gets passed it and plays scared
[09:47 am] lightning  : covering the rest of IDCC...
[09:48 am] Ed : he definitely has the mental framework for being a winner
[09:48 am] jsn13  : Ok good advices....thanks...but getting bad prices on stocks that u r kinda confident in did reduce ur confidence since risk is higher...
[09:48 am] joeytsa  : trading goal should be flawless performance
[09:49 am] apple  : that's right, joey, practice makes perfect (or as good as it gets)
[09:49 am] jsn13  : The tradeoffs between price and confirmation was the prob for me...
[09:49 am] lightning  : watching WLT for a possible short
[09:50 am] lisas  : jsn, I was reviewing one of the videos yesterday and Kris said if the stock didn't move the way he expected, he did start protecting the trade
[09:50 am] lisas  : within a reasonable time period
[09:50 am] apple  : and that is the smart thing to do
[09:50 am] joeytsa  : good advice
[09:51 am] jsn13  : have  come across stocks that did not move up for a while and suddenly shot up? if u stay with ur stop loss, they can have high payoffs....
[09:51 am] eyes  : How do you get confidence when I shorted 3 min fade shld and look
[09:52 am] joeytsa  : jsn: that's patience, mine is lacking quite often
[09:53 am] jsn13  : leaving the 3% -5% stop loss open is the prob here....u have 2 conflicting ideas here.....
[09:56 am] joeytsa  : jsn: you need some kind of rules that you are comfortable with
[09:57 am] joeytsa  : WLT on a nice run
[10:00 am] jsn13  : to be honest i have it.....running through simulations i can be up 5% or more on good days...even bad days i can BE....the funny thing is that looking at the price actions, thin too much and missed those moves... hard to justify in a concrete way what good moves/price actions mean....
[10:02 am] jsn13  : if i chase certain moves, having a wide stop loss is risk even with perfect setup....so often time, i missed the moves....
[10:03 am] joeytsa  : no easy answer...let trades come to you, if they work out great, if not so be it..if you miss it oh well
[10:04 am] apple  : jsn, there are always plenty of ideas coming thru here.  be patient and study
[10:04 am] jsn13  : they are fantastic mover like FMCN and GMCR in the morning.....
[10:05 am] jsn13  : but luckily i got a 5% on SPRD....that was nice...
[10:06 am] joeytsa  : i don't use %, so someone else can help you there
[10:07 am] apple  : joey, thinks in terms of $$$
[10:07 am] joeytsa  : only because that's how i pay my bills :)
[10:07 am] apple  : not in percentages...
[10:07 am] jsn13  : as in 5% profit on SPRD....
[10:07 am] joeytsa  : yeah gold getting torched
[10:08 am] joeytsa  : dollar should be having a good day
[10:08 am] apple  : CAT did a nice reversal
[10:09 am] joeytsa  : as far as %vs$...it's because i can spot money/trade targets easier..it's not that one is better than the other...the main thing is if the trade is a good idea or not
[10:09 am] jsn13  : Ed, did u play SPRD n the morning? at which bar u start to go long?
[10:09 am] lightning  : WLT looks like it is turning over
[10:10 am] joeytsa  : yeah light...not the best r/r for me
[10:10 am] joeytsa  : it's between s/r
[10:11 am] lightning  : S= 61.78 and R= 60.97?
[10:11 am] joeytsa  : unless it gives a buy,  then maybe a 2:1 r/r
[10:16 am] joeytsa  : WLT turned into a nice trade
[10:18 am] joeytsa  : WLT hitting res, needs a vol push or a slight pullback is coming
[10:40 am] mhaus  : IDCC
[10:41 am] mhaus  : GMCR moving steadily
[10:43 am] lightning  : AEP drop
[10:43 am] lightning  : sorry, not much there yet
[10:45 am] victor51  : I had only one trade today because of TS problems. ITMN is moving up good. Thanks.
[10:52 am] derns  : looks like the same from when I left!..watching AEP
[10:55 am] jimv  : CVX?
[10:55 am] michael  : CVX dropping on good volume
[11:04 am] lightning  : you would think the CVX news would push up oil prices, but they continue to fall.
[11:05 am] victor51  : LONG eap AT 38.50 WITH TIGHT LIMIT
[11:06 am] weston  : nice!
[11:07 am] weston  : when is the best time to get im these trade? CVX &AEP
[11:09 am] rusty  : BRAZIL PROSECUTORS ASK CHEVRON (CVX) FOR 20 BLN REAIS IN DAMAGES
[11:09 am] rusty  : out little while ago
[11:15 am] mhaus  : LRN!!!
[11:19 am] derns  : GMCR is crazy
[11:24 am] Ed : weston both CVX and AEP were advanced trades
[11:27 am] weston  : got ya..thanks
[11:28 am] apple  : just got back, wow look at NFLX!
[11:32 am] michael  : should get another chance here
[11:35 am] michael  : AMZN might make its next trip to the basement here soon
[11:35 am] apple  : amzn
[11:37 am] apple  : nice chart...
[11:37 am] lightning  : AKRX drop
[11:41 am] apple  : nice drop on CVX
[11:46 am] weston  : light do u plan to get in AKRX?
[11:46 am] derns  : RIMM CEO's are worst CEO's of 2011 per Herb on CNBC
[11:46 am] qwert  : bye everybody gotta go do some Christmas shopping  see ya in the am  thanks for all the good calls
[11:46 am] Ed : c ya qwert
[11:46 am] lightning  : weston, maybe.  AKRX needs to stop dropping first.
[11:46 am] derns  : have a good afternoon qwert
[11:47 am] apple  : derns, i think Corzine was the worst CEO
[11:47 am] joeytsa  : corzine just had terrible timing :)
[11:48 am] derns  : Corzine was excluded on the pick because he is not the MF CEO, currently.  But, I think you have a very good point..he can't find $1.2 billion.
[11:48 am] lightning  : yes, he has really suffered.  I expect he'll be at Occupy Wall Street from now on.
[11:48 am] apple  : GMCR made a nice comeback today
[11:50 am] lightning  : the difference between Madoff and Corzine is that Madoff knows where the money went:  houses, jewelry, his kids, boats, etc.
[11:51 am] derns  : lightning..that's an interesting point...I seem to recall Madoff knew all..kept the books in his head
[11:52 am] joeytsa  : derns: it has to do with the borrowing of stocks etc...will try to find a really good article i read on sun or mon
[11:53 am] apple  : CVX lod
[11:55 am] joeytsa  : http://tycoonreport.tycoonresearch.com/articl es/924700843/lessons-from-mf-global-is-your-m oney-at-risk
[11:55 am] joeytsa  : that was one i read derns
[11:55 am] derns  : DMND..slowly creeping again..gotta be slow short covering..look at GMCR
[11:55 am] weston  : nice call on ARKX, light thanks
[11:56 am] derns  : thx for the article..will read after closing
[11:56 am] apple  : thx MK, K, B, E and everyone.  Got to pick up my son from school.  Everyone have a great evening.
[11:57 am] lightning  : glad you took it.  I was looking for it to test 10.03 before going long.  So I missed it.
[11:57 am] joeytsa  : no prob,  good info there, esp the tues and wed articles
[11:57 am] Ed : c ya apple
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : oil ends below $95
[12:01 pm] Ed : sweet crude
[12:02 pm] joeytsa  : at least until the next iran situation
[12:02 pm] Ed : which could be seconds
[12:02 pm] derns  : AMZN bounced off its lowest point since March...back up in safer territory
[12:03 pm] joeytsa  : been thinking about a leap in oil, same with gold on a pullback to 1500
[12:05 pm] joeytsa  : zynga ipo already listed as a  sell from 1 analyst
[12:05 pm] joeytsa  : opens on fri?
[12:06 pm] derns  : I'm beginning to think the expected y/e Santa Claus rally to S&P 1330 is highly unlikely
[12:06 pm] joeytsa  : we'll know in 2 weeks
[12:06 pm] joeytsa  : 12/26-1/2 i think
[12:07 pm] Ed : markets are closed 12/26
[12:07 pm] joeytsa  : right, forgot...but it's that week that the rally is supposed to be
[12:08 pm] Ed : another IPO that fizzled SN
[12:09 pm] joeytsa  : gold stocks/miners headed lower
[12:11 pm] Ed : VPHM is open
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : flurry of buying
[12:15 pm] derns  : AMZN has developed an interesting candle on the daily
[12:15 pm] joeytsa  : fighting to hold that 178 huh
[12:20 pm] Ed : what do u know PAY did what it wanted, LOL
[12:21 pm] joeytsa  : yeah, but did it do what YOU wanted :)
[12:21 pm] Ed : hmmmmmmmm
[12:22 pm] joeytsa  : nice trade there
[12:22 pm] Ed : it did, but i could not find my ticket
[12:22 pm] joeytsa  : ha
[12:24 pm] joeytsa  : derns: you use schwab right?  can't remember are you using sse or ssp?
[12:24 pm] derns  : I am using ssp..I am used to it...which one do you use
[12:25 pm] joeytsa  : sse for charts
[12:25 pm] derns  : and  you trade on what platform?
[12:25 pm] joeytsa  : lightspeed
[12:26 pm] derns  : hmmm...good idea..I use esignal charts, but they are expensive and I probably don't use the tools as best I can...I have 9 charts up on one monitor
[12:27 pm] joeytsa  : making the switch as soon as new computer gets here
[12:27 pm] derns  : switch to esignal?
[12:27 pm] joeytsa  : yeah..link it to ls order entry
[12:27 pm] derns  : smart idea!
[12:28 pm] derns  : AMZN...
[12:28 pm] lightning  : joey, you can't link order entry between e-signal and Lightspeed -- unless that just happened in the last month or two.
[12:28 pm] joeytsa  : says you can..hmmm
[12:28 pm] lightning  : you can link it so that when you pull up a quote in Lightspeed the e-signal chart comes up.
[12:29 pm] lightning  : maybe something was developed and I didn't know about it though.
[12:29 pm] joeytsa  : if you pull the quote up in your entry box wont it load the chart?
[12:29 pm] lightning  : yes, but you can't trade from e-signal
[12:30 pm] lightning  : for some brokers, you can trade from the chart itself.
[12:30 pm] joeytsa  : no, i want to trade thru LS..just be able to use the esig charts
[12:30 pm] lightning  : then you're fine.
[12:30 pm] joeytsa  : oh i see what you mean
[12:30 pm] lightning  : that's what I do...although trading from the charts would be cool.
[12:30 pm] joeytsa  : i also think i can link both with my madscan..so 1 click loads everything
[12:33 pm] joeytsa  : real nice call on AKRX
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : totally missed HUM spike down
[12:38 pm] michael  : I had it joey, but only a buck so I passed
[12:46 pm] eyes  : I just came back into the room after clearing my head and got L AKRX 9.56 out 1/2 .66 1/4 .75 1/4 10.00 even thanks ED
[12:46 pm] joeytsa  : there ya go eyes !!!!
[12:47 pm] Ed : great going Eyes
[12:47 pm] joeytsa  : taking profits here on HUM
[12:47 pm] Brent : nice one eyes
[12:47 pm] michael  : we knew u had it in you eyes, we just needed you to realize it
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : gold stocks getting a quick spike
[12:50 pm] michael  : natural gas even more radical decline, $5 in July to $3 now
[12:50 pm] joeytsa  : AMZN over 180...big moves today
[12:50 pm] joeytsa  : i still think natgas has big upside
[12:51 pm] joeytsa  : just not like how most investors think
[12:51 pm] michael  : I'm with you joey, just waiting
[12:51 pm] derns  : joey...do you mean in terms of broad usage or stock market value, or both?
[12:51 pm] joeytsa  : most investors are thinking that natgas is the actual play...they are wrong
[12:52 pm] joeytsa  : in my opinion
[12:53 pm] joeytsa  : derns: i think the real natgas winners will be the companies that get the jump on technologies that actually use natgas
[12:54 pm] joeytsa  : WAB big spike
[12:54 pm] derns  : joey...what does today's AMZN activity tell us?  It dropped below 177, created a new floor and bounced up
[12:54 pm] joeytsa  : lower vol
[12:54 pm] rusty  : BPAX looks like results must have leaked
[12:55 pm] joeytsa  : i have no idea derns but that area is a key for now
[12:56 pm] derns  : and it has created that interesting candle on the daily..I think it is called a hammer.  What a great lesson from yesterday..thx
[12:57 pm] vilazio  : What kind of chart is this? What are the box like indicators?
[12:57 pm] derns  : vilazio...I think the light green boxes are darvis boxes.
[12:58 pm] joeytsa  : dern: best guess is AMZn has strong support here, which means that it if does break and close under it should tumble
[12:58 pm] joeytsa  : again, just a guess, but it has been a strong area all year
[12:59 pm] derns  : got it...like I said, I watched it closely..wish I had shorted, took it off, and then went long for the day
[12:59 pm] joeytsa  : same here
[12:59 pm] vilazio  : darvis box? For what? How to use it?
[01:00 pm] Brent : Darvis boxes basically show recent support/resistance areas vilazio
[01:00 pm] Brent : Darvis boxes basically show recent support/resistance areas vilazio
[01:01 pm] derns  : anyone..what does it mean when the last trade of the day has a huge candle?
[01:02 pm] vilazio  : Brent they aren't they easier to check support / resistance?
[01:02 pm] joeytsa  : thanks mitch
[01:02 pm] derns  : thx MK
[01:02 pm] Brent : I don't understand the question vilazio
[01:03 pm] michael  : my understanding is they are cleanup orders Derns
[01:03 pm] joeytsa  : been seeing those a lot
[01:03 pm] derns  : ok..so I shouldn't read anything like a huge buy or sell in the last minute?  I get suspicious
[01:03 pm] vilazio  : I mean aren't they easier for beginners to find support and resistance at a glance?
[01:04 pm] joeytsa  : lots of s/r to look at...darvis is just another
[01:04 pm] Brent : yes that's right vilazio
[01:04 pm] michael  : you can see them on the level 2 also, one single deal
[01:04 pm] michael  : last was for Derns
[01:05 pm] Brent : they don't show all s/r, just recent areas
[01:05 pm] vilazio  : Thank you Brent and all. Have a nice one. Good bye
[01:05 pm] joeytsa  : those throw me off too derns
[01:06 pm] joeytsa  : i wonder if they would trigger stop losses
[01:06 pm] michael  : level 2 really shows 'em, you see 3, 2, 5, 2000
[01:06 pm] derns  : thx michael...I'm looking at a number of last minute charts now...there was a lot of final trade clean-ups...perhaps by the market maker?  Or is it something more sinister...like an institutional trade?
[01:07 pm] joeytsa  : time/sales is more accurate than L2
[01:07 pm] michael  : that answer is way above my pay grade
[01:07 pm] joeytsa  : L3 is better than L2 for order flow also
[01:08 pm] joeytsa  : L2...doesn't always end up going thru...
[01:08 pm] joeytsa  : time/sales is the only way to confirm if the order went thru

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