Chat Highlights From 11/20/2013

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(05:41 am) JoeyTSA :early gap up: BMRN,SGOC,SSYS,DE (05:41 am) JoeyTSA :early gap down: DWRE,SSW,LOW,TSLA (06:24 am) JoeyTSA :keeping DVN on radar (06:30 am) Ed :eye on Solars SCTy FSLR CSIQ (06:30 am) JoeyTSA :home sales report top of the hour (06:30 am) JoeyTSA :eye on LEN (06:31 am) Ed :ICLD monitoring for potential long, but would like more selling first (06:32 am) JoeyTSA :eye on NFLX pullback (06:32 am) Ed :oppportune if could get selling @near 12 level on ICLD (06:33 am) JoeyTSA :eye on CRM (06:33 am) Ed :Diosna my asst. is out today, so wil not be able to change charts in room as often, as computer is to my extreeeme right (06:34 am) JoeyTSA :/ES testing 1790 again (06:35 am) JoeyTSA :GMCR on watch (06:36 am) Ed :LULU has room to run if wants, keep eye on potential resistance 69 then 70 level (06:39 am) JoeyTSA :/ES slight pullback to pp (06:40 am) Ed :DTV monitoring for potential long would like selling @near 63ish level (06:41 am) Mitch King:watching ETE for top to short (06:41 am) JoeyTSA :VJET nice pullback (06:42 am) Ed :SCTY monitoring, would like test @near 46.72 level see how price reacts (06:42 am) Mitch King:watching NUGT (06:42 am) Mitch King:monitoring MAS (06:43 am) Mitch King:watching DDD for bottom (06:43 am) Mitch King:watching BA (06:43 am) Ed :SCTY is for potential long (06:44 am) Mitch King:watching SJM for short on top of bounce (06:44 am) JoeyTSA :2nd test of pp support on /ES (06:44 am) Mitch King:monitoring DVN (06:44 am) Mitch King:monitoring ADT for bottom, missed top (06:45 am) Mitch King:monitoring BMRN for possible short, no hurry (06:46 am) JoeyTSA :/CL testing pp support now (06:46 am) Mitch King:monitoring DKS (06:47 am) Murano :watching ADT (06:47 am) Mitch King:watching GME for bottom, no hurry (06:48 am) Mitch King:monitoring ETN (06:49 am) Mitch King:IPCI moving (06:50 am) Mitch King:still watching DDD for bottom to buy (06:52 am) Mitch King:looking for small bounce in CL (06:54 am) Mitch King:watching SSYS for bottom (06:54 am) JoeyTSA :2 reports out in 5min (06:56 am) Mitch King:watching TS for bottom, no hurry (06:57 am) Mitch King:monitoring PRLB (07:00 am) Ed :*(US) OCT EXISTING HOME SALES: 5.12M V 5.14ME Prior revised XXX from 5.29M to M (07:00 am) Ed :US) SEPT BUSINESS INVENTORIES: 0.6% V 0.3%E revised higher from 0.3% to 0.4% (07:04 am) Mitch King:watching ADT for bounce (07:08 am) JoeyTSA :DDD another weak one so far (07:12 am) Mitch King:remember on these big trends, like downtrend in CL, don't try to pick bottom. if you do decide to buy, your profit targets are really small. (07:13 am) Mitch King:its best to wait for a leveling out of a downtrend and see price move up off bottom, then take next bottom (07:14 am) Mitch King:IPCI bottoming here, low priced stock (07:15 am) Mitch King:watching NOAH again today, looking for bottom (07:16 am) Ed :if anyone took long on SCTY would reduce (07:16 am) Mitch King:regarding this downtrend in CL, you dont have a confirmed reversal in trend until a new bounce is higher highs than previous top (07:20 am) Ed :gettting pop based on news out of Europe (07:21 am) Ed :(EU) ECB said to be considering a -0.1% deposit rate if more easing is needed- (07:22 am) JoeyTSA :large red vol candle on Z (07:26 am) JoeyTSA :crude inv in 3 min (07:27 am) JoeyTSA :close eye on ETE again (07:30 am) Ed :*(US) DOE CRUDE: +380K V +1ME; GASOLINE: -345K V 0ME; DISTILLATE: -4.75M V -0.5ME Utilization rate: % v 89.3%e Distillate demand K to 3.xxM bpd Gasoline demand K to 9.xxM bpd (07:37 am) Mitch King:double top on CL 01-14 (08:08 am) Mitch King:watching TTS closer (08:13 am) JoeyTSA :tighten QCOR if short (08:17 am) Ed :QCOM having analysy day (08:29 am) JoeyTSA :eye on VRTX (08:30 am) Mitch King:got sell signal on Thunder 2, late post, sorry about that (08:31 am) JoeyTSA :also watching CLVS (08:38 am) JoeyTSA :eye on TSLA (08:54 am) JoeyTSA :tighten VRTX if short (09:07 am) Ed :PM just monitoring right now, would like more selling for setup (09:09 am) Ed :DDD 3D printing names experiencing weakness following cautious comments by CNBC Guest (related ONVO - (09:12 am) JoeyTSA :PM dropping (09:12 am) Murano :watching MM (09:13 am) Ed :PM Revises FY13 EPS guidance to $5.37-5.42 v $5.39e (prior $5.35-5.40), citing FX impact; guides initial FY14 EPS +6-8% y/y – filing (09:21 am) Ed :reducing 3/4 PM long (09:22 am) Ed :trail last 1/4 PM long 89.31 (09:32 am) Ed :VJET/XONe just monitoring see if get acclerated vol/selling (09:33 am) Ed :so far stair step down (09:39 am) Ed :VJET Citron Research makes cautious comments (timing uncertain) (09:40 am) Ed :if ur new to trading or inconsistent I would not trade VJET (09:46 am) Qwert :VJET selling picking up (09:55 am) Murano :watching P (09:56 am) Ed :P Albert Fried & Co. Cuts P to Underweight from Market Perform, price target: $23 (timing uncertain)- (09:56 am) Ed :ELLI Hearing weakness attributed to cautious commentary in an M&A Blog- (09:56 am) JoeyTSA :eye on DDD (10:04 am) Ed's assistant :Monitoring BGS (10:15 am) Mitch King:looking for CL 1-14 to drop, short at 93.98 (10:15 am) Ed's assistant :PASSING ON BGS NO VOL (10:23 am) Ed :solars selling hard (10:25 am) Ed :SPY nearing lod (10:25 am) Ed :selling picked up in markets (10:28 am) Mitch King:short term traders consider covering CL but should break down more (10:43 am) Ed :US) Preview: Minutes of the Oct 29-30 FOMC meeting due out at 14:00ET (11:00 am) Ed :14:00 *(US) MINUTES OF THE OCT 30 FOMC MEETING:OFFICIALS WEIGHING TRIMMING PUIRCHASES BEFORE OUTLOOK IMPROVES, CONSIDERING EQUAL CUTS TO MBS AND TREASURY PURCHASES - (11:00 am) JoeyTSA :quick drop (11:06 am) JoeyTSA :watching SSYS also (11:14 am) Ed :SPY low of day (11:24 am) JoeyTSA :tighten SSYS if you took it long (11:34 am) JoeyTSA :DVN lots of vol past 10-15 minutes (11:35 am) Ed :DVN Said to be nearing deal to purchase privately held GeoSouthern Energy for $6B - press (11:40 am) JoeyTSA :/ES testing S1 again (12:04 pm) JoeyTSA :/ES trying to hold 1777 now (12:16 pm) JoeyTSA :eye on TTS (12:38 pm) Ed :4938.TW Said to have seen orders from Apple fall by over 50% and was asked to return some production equipment amid weaker than expected sales of iPhone 5c - DigiTimes (update) (related AAPL )- (12:40 pm) Ed :US) President Obama: Health law rollout has been rough, Washington must stop governing by crisis - WSJ meeting- (12:56 pm) Ed :have great eve traders (12:59 pm) Ed :have great eve traders (05:31 am) Qwert :Good morning to everyone (05:32 am) JoeyTSA :Good morning everyone (05:33 am) JoeyTSA :some reports just came out, gave slight bounce (05:33 am) JoeyTSA :existing home sales, business inv @ 7pdt, crude inv 7:30pdt, fomc minutes @ 11pdt (05:50 am) skydiver :gm all (05:50 am) Murano :good morning (05:52 am) skydiver :nice upward move on \CL (05:53 am) skydiver :thnx for gappers joey (05:58 am) skydiver :short \CL 94.27 - this may a small dip ? will see (05:59 am) skydiver :I jumped in to this trade a bit early I think on \CL (06:02 am) skydiver :with the indicators so high on Thunder at bottom - should have heeded those (06:02 am) skydiver :on \CL (06:03 am) JoeyTSA :eye on /ES 1790 level (06:05 am) taco :sky, i've noticed in /cl and /gc the moves come in 3's, sometimes also insurfing the biggest wave is third of a set of three. just something i've noticed (06:05 am) skydiver :thnx Taco -- good eye on \CL movements :) (06:06 am) JoeyTSA :like elliot wave-type moves? (06:06 am) taco :then i think odds shift to short better, but i'm still putting things together so take w grain of salt (06:06 am) skydiver :understood taco -- but interesting (06:06 am) taco :perhaps, not sure of elliot (06:06 am) JoeyTSA :oh ok (06:06 am) taco :not always but i've noticed the trend a bit (06:07 am) JoeyTSA :NFLX on radar (06:08 am) Qwert :sky another thing about /CL usually trend at pit open continues like this am at open trend was up (06:09 am) JoeyTSA :qwert: do you mean the trend leading up to the pit open (06:09 am) skydiver :thnx qwert -- glad I'm in Sim mode at the moment :) (06:09 am) Qwert :i use 5min and 2 min if they are the same then i look to go long if different then i pas (06:10 am) Qwert :of course by the same this am they were both up (06:10 am) Qwert :ye trend up to the open joey (06:10 am) JoeyTSA :ive noticed that also (06:11 am) taco :this third top is a good scalp /CL (06:11 am) taco :i feel (06:11 am) skydiver :gotcha taco -- your 3 rule :) (06:11 am) JoeyTSA :you can even scalp that open qwert (06:12 am) skydiver :well, I'm almost at break even now (06:12 am) Qwert :i have been joey got 12 tics this am have only been trading 1 contract on that setup for now (06:13 am) JoeyTSA :good one (06:13 am) skydiver :nice qwert (06:13 am) Qwert :its been working pretty well (06:14 am) skydiver :so you're using 5 minute and 2 minute qwert? interesting - i've been using 5R or 4R next to a one minute chart as well. (06:14 am) Qwert :sky only to determine trend (06:14 am) skydiver :gotcha (06:14 am) skydiver :very good qwert (06:15 am) Qwert :back test you will see good win pct. (06:15 am) skydiver :will do (06:15 am) skydiver :thnxk (06:17 am) rd :Good Morning to all (06:17 am) skydiver :gm rd (06:18 am) taco :electrader sent this to me, shed some light on /GC perhaps? (06:18 am) taco :http://www.bloomberg.com/video/how-does-dow- 16-000-impact-the-gold-market-BwCDMWUJStS4Use kz1bP2w.html (06:18 am) taco :if you have time (06:19 am) Qwert :thx taco (06:19 am) skydiver :thnx taco (06:22 am) skydiver :well, closed my \CL short for now after it went against me for quite sometime - only made 10 ticks, but better than loss . . . (06:23 am) JoeyTSA :thx for link taco (06:23 am) JoeyTSA :PCLN up big today (06:23 am) taco :thanks elec :) (06:27 am) JoeyTSA :dont forget we have crude inv today and fomc (06:27 am) skydiver :thnx joe -- completely forgot (06:27 am) skydiver :joey (06:32 am) JoeyTSA :keeping VJET on radar also (06:35 am) skydiver :monitoring LULU (06:36 am) skydiver :thnx Ed (06:36 am) JoeyTSA :LULU had issues @ $70 a few days back (06:36 am) JoeyTSA :wasnt that the one sky?? (06:37 am) skydiver :I think so joey (06:39 am) skydiver :TSLA - bouncy one today -- not traded it so far (06:41 am) JoeyTSA :some hesitant trading? (06:41 am) skydiver :on TSLA - yep (06:41 am) JoeyTSA :maybe with fomc, not sure, just a feeling (06:42 am) skydiver :gotcha joey - you may be right (06:42 am) JoeyTSA :not sure, keep eye on this /ES bounce if at all (06:44 am) JoeyTSA :eye on BIDU,TSLA for potential bottoms (06:45 am) JoeyTSA :/ES pp = 1787 area (06:45 am) skydiver :LULU finally dropped nicely (06:45 am) JoeyTSA :VJET still trying to bottom (06:46 am) skydiver :monitoring TSLA now . . . (06:47 am) JoeyTSA :was nice short i missed (06:47 am) skydiver :yep - me too joey (06:49 am) skydiver :well, hit another short target on \CL - nice sound (06:50 am) skydiver :my timing is bad on entering it seems, but eventually goes my way . . more work to do (06:50 am) skydiver :\CL (06:51 am) JoeyTSA :been a great short (06:51 am) electrader :Sky, Thunder seems to be very forgiving (06:51 am) skydiver :seems llike it electrader -- exactly what I need :) (06:51 am) electrader :yu and me both (06:51 am) skydiver ::) (06:52 am) JoeyTSA :maybe i should rename my wife Thunder :) (06:52 am) electrader :too funny Joey (06:52 am) skydiver :lol joey :) (06:53 am) JoeyTSA :ETE having issues so far @ $74, watching that area for potential breakout (06:53 am) skydiver :TSLA still trying to find a bottom (06:53 am) JoeyTSA :overall things dont feel strong to me (06:54 am) JoeyTSA :most big names are closer to lows than highs (06:54 am) skydiver :LNKD dropped - missed -- yes -- I agree joey (06:54 am) JoeyTSA :/TF l ost 1100 (06:54 am) JoeyTSA :lost (06:59 am) JoeyTSA :some buying coming in (06:59 am) JoeyTSA :not trusting it yet though (07:01 am) JoeyTSA :thx Ed (07:02 am) electrader :100+ tick drop on CL (07:03 am) Murano :covered all ADT (07:04 am) skydiver :nice one Murano (07:05 am) Murano :thanks sky (07:06 am) JoeyTSA :yeah ADT good one , good trade murano (07:07 am) JoeyTSA :/CL S1 is 93.35 (07:07 am) skydiver :thnx joey (07:07 am) JoeyTSA :murano: clone that blind squirrel and ship me one for Christmas :) (07:07 am) skydiver :good one joey (07:07 am) Murano :My internet cpmpany has just informed me that my service will be down off and on for the next two hours for maintenance. I will not be trading until they finish. (07:08 am) skydiver :wow Murano - not fun (07:08 am) JoeyTSA :at least they informed you, mine just goes out (07:08 am) taco :hope to get you back soon M (07:08 am) skydiver :I went long on TSLA - looked for a small bounce (07:08 am) Murano :I will post ideas if I have service (07:08 am) Qwert :Murano at least they let you know (07:09 am) JoeyTSA :smart to not trade though (07:09 am) Murano :They say it is scheduled maintenance (07:09 am) JoeyTSA :you would think 2am would be more convenient for the public (07:09 am) skydiver :3/4 out of TSLA long - let last piece ride for a bit (07:10 am) Mitch King:anyone know why NG, Natural Gas is up today? no inventory report until tomorrow (07:11 am) JoeyTSA :not sure Mitch, i see it now, didnt have chart up (07:12 am) electrader :thnx Mitch (07:13 am) alan3 :Thanks Mitch. (07:13 am) skydiver :thnx Mitch (07:13 am) JoeyTSA :makes sense, kinda been a short the bounce type day so far (07:15 am) taco :DDD had nice dbl dot, VJET too (07:15 am) JoeyTSA :yeah taco (07:15 am) Ed :nice read taco (07:15 am) JoeyTSA :DDD dbl bot had pos div also (07:16 am) JoeyTSA :so did VJET (07:16 am) skydiver :thnx Mitch -- good info (07:18 am) skydiver :stopped out on last piece of TSLA long (07:18 am) skydiver :at be basically (07:19 am) Mitch King:ok see that quick bounce in CL? if you get a higher high then that is first possible clue you could have a trend reversal but so far doesnt look like it yet (07:19 am) alan3 :Got it. (07:20 am) Mitch King:best to see CL go to 93.25 area, hold that level and then bounce up to higher moves. (07:20 am) Mitch King:if you see 93.25 hold for a few candles and stay level or try to bounce, ok to try to buy but be aware that if it fails and goes lower, then thats your stop (07:20 am) JoeyTSA :nice pop there, what was the news (07:21 am) Mitch King:ok right now what you want is over 93.50 (07:21 am) JoeyTSA :thx (07:21 am) Mitch King:CL 01-14 still weak but trying to move up (07:22 am) Mitch King:ok right here is earliest sign of trend reversal but not confirmed (07:25 am) Mitch King:ok did those comments make sense on CL? (07:25 am) skydiver :yes Mitch -- good lesson (07:25 am) taco :yes (07:25 am) jasio :yes (07:25 am) skydiver :CLF - watching (07:25 am) Mitch King:now you are looking for is another pullback to buy the bottom (07:25 am) skydiver :CLF - rumors (07:26 am) Mitch King:at this point of being off the bottom of CL by 35 ticks, there is no reason to buy at this price, best to wait for a 10-15 tick pullback (07:26 am) taco :thx joey (07:27 am) Mitch King:if you are long CL from that 93.40 area, just hold for awhile. (07:28 am) alan3 :Ok (07:28 am) JoeyTSA :just be careful with report coming out (07:28 am) alan3 :Got it thanks Joey. (07:29 am) JoeyTSA :no prob, just have a stop ready for worst case scenario (07:29 am) Mitch King:thanks joey, forgot 1 minute to crude (07:29 am) Mitch King:i like to be out of positions during report (07:29 am) Mitch King:its Russian roulette (07:29 am) JoeyTSA ::) (07:29 am) skydiver :thnx joey and Mitch (07:29 am) JoeyTSA :im not gunslingin' the report today (07:32 am) JoeyTSA :break time, see you in 20 (07:34 am) skydiver :take care joey (07:38 am) skydiver :all out of CLF short (07:47 am) Mitch King:got a funny story. got a call from one of my daughters saying her Ninja chart trader buttons arent working. she said she has a position. i said do you have a stop? is it long or short? she says she was long CL. i said exit Ninja and reload. she said locked up. i said, reset computer, load ninja and try again. that worked. in the meantime, she was up 58 ticks and sold. best trade she has ever done. (07:47 am) Mitch King:she has same habits as skydiver, real small profits and gets out. (07:48 am) taco :haha nice one (07:48 am) Mitch King:lol, i told her best trade she ever had. is Lightning still green on uptrend? she said yes but felt compelled to close and capture the profit. same problem we all have. (07:49 am) skydiver :good story Mitch -- I think I like your daughter's trading style :) (07:49 am) Mitch King:all time frames show purple dash line is pegged to top on Thunder chart, so i think best to keep riding it out long but i think people see all that money in profit and loss column and when it moves around the human reaction is to capture it. (07:49 am) skydiver :and I do have that same problem :) (07:49 am) Mitch King:no on this uptrend, this strong of one, you really want to do the same thing we did on the downtrend and wait, wait wait for confirmation of a topping action, nothing in sight now. all up (07:50 am) Mitch King:see how the blue, red and purple lines are pegged to the top? all three lines? (07:50 am) skydiver :yes (07:50 am) taco :yes (07:50 am) Mitch King:dont even think about selling if you are long (07:50 am) alan3 :Yes (07:51 am) Mitch King:the first line that will turn down is red, and if you had more than 1 contract, a good procedure is to sell 1 contract on a red line turnign down after an uptrend like this (07:51 am) Mitch King:another thing you can do if you wanted to focus just on CL, is build 3 charts with a 4 range, 5 range and maybe a 1 min chart of thunder chart (07:52 am) Mitch King:it looks like going to bottom here and make higher highs, probably (07:52 am) Mitch King:im talking about CL 1-14 (07:55 am) skydiver :Out of time for today . thnx for great teaching again . . been a good day . see you all tomorrow morning :) (07:55 am) Mitch King:the key thoughts you should have now on CL, and you got to get this imprinted in your brain is on any big trend like this, there is plenty, plenty of time to get the price you want, enter, sell, whatever you are trying to do (07:55 am) skydiver :thnx again Mitch . . good lessons (07:55 am) taco :right Mitch, thx (07:55 am) taco :cya sky (07:56 am) Mitch King:prices go in small cycles like we breath air, small pullback, then some buying and creates a high, then small selling, and you can time yoru entries and exits on that "breathing" No need to stress (07:56 am) skydiver :Im gone :) (07:56 am) Mitch King:later sky (07:56 am) skydiver ::) (07:56 am) Mitch King:there is no better position to have than being long in a strong uptrend. you are in the drivers seat because you know you have time (07:57 am) Qwert :thx mitch (07:58 am) electrader :thx for the lesson Mitch (07:58 am) Mitch King:so let's look at this CL now, flat for about 20 candles or so. still no need to sell, you can pick your price on a little movement up but now what we are trying to do is see if it has a shallow pullback and then levels out and moves higher OR it makes a top and sells down. either way, you have lots of time, no need for panic selling or buying, thought process should be very calm, you are in the drivers seat, you have control (07:59 am) Mitch King:if you dont have any position, we just wait but remember this, there will be a tradable setup within 20-30 minutes. (07:59 am) JoeyTSA :good lesson (08:00 am) JoeyTSA :its been trying to hold R1 (08:00 am) Mitch King:i have red line turning down at earlies setting at 3 range, (08:01 am) JoeyTSA :DDD another dbl bot, this time @ $71 (08:01 am) JoeyTSA :not trusting this one (08:01 am) Mitch King:ok now, since the red line is the first one turning down, and what im personally looking for, which i think is most likely scenario is red line goes down a little maybe red line even goes down half way down the scale. (08:02 am) Mitch King:what is most likely, not sure, just guessing, is red line levels out somewhere without having dropped to bottom of scale (08:02 am) Mitch King:and if that happens, price is leveling out and watch for a resurgence of uptrend. (08:03 am) Mitch King:if red line levels out and turns up, thats buy signal, its a late one but is worth buying smaller long position (08:03 am) Mitch King:is this making sense? (08:03 am) JoeyTSA :yep (08:03 am) taco :yes, buy the dip (08:03 am) taco :if the stage is right (08:03 am) Qwert :yes for sure (08:04 am) Mitch King:well, buy the dip IF and only IF the red line levels out and stops going down (08:04 am) jasio :yes (08:04 am) Mitch King:we have no confirmation of that happening yet (08:04 am) taco :its pegged on 5 range chart (08:04 am) taco :4r shows (08:05 am) electrader :what time frame are yu following Mitch (08:05 am) alan3 :Yes (08:05 am) Mitch King:if you try to buy these countertrend trades, which is a long entry on a dip, you are asking for BIG trouble and eventually you will lose doing that (08:05 am) Mitch King:i have a 3 range chart up and red line going down, just go down the scale of timeframe, 3 being faster time frame than a 5 range (08:06 am) Mitch King:just trust me on that comment , 2 comments above, dont get into habit buying countertrend trades, you wont consistently win and you get lost in the forest (08:06 am) Mitch King:thats not where the money is, and the odds are terrible (08:07 am) Mitch King:my personal mistake was not listening to myself at 726am when we all know your stats you researched how much money is usually left when white zone just starts appearing and 3 lines are moving up off bottom (08:08 am) Mitch King:we know over 70% of them have at least 25 tick potential profit on the long side and yet i was dinking around looking for a pullback to add to long position (08:08 am) JoeyTSA :understandable with report coming out though (08:08 am) Mitch King:right, that is what threw me off, plus i was teaching and posting (08:08 am) Mitch King:back to red line, tell me what you guys see (08:08 am) JoeyTSA :you can make it up at the craps table later :) (08:08 am) Qwert :yeah i got out prior to report (08:09 am) Mitch King:funny, i hate gambling, totally against my thinking (08:09 am) Mitch King:i know the odds are stacked against me (08:09 am) Mitch King:tell me what you guys see on red line now (08:09 am) JoeyTSA :you just wait for the "red" to bottom and then bet black haha (08:09 am) taco :on 3r its down still (08:09 am) taco :pointing (08:09 am) Qwert :slight dip on 5r (08:10 am) JoeyTSA :i dont like /CL chart at the moment (08:10 am) electrader :still going down on 4R (08:11 am) Mitch King:i have still gradual downtrend on 3r, no leveling yet but checkout the purple line, still toward top (08:11 am) Qwert :haha just noticed i still have a small position in ADT (08:11 am) Mitch King:so it is still strong on the long side (08:11 am) electrader :looks like its starting to level out on 4r (08:11 am) Mitch King:my read on Thunder chart is it is strong and long entry is best trade, on slight dip, maybe 5-7 tick drop (08:12 am) Mitch King:3r red line is turning up, (08:12 am) Mitch King:a long entry on this trade has a small stop setting, maybe 15 tick stop, real tight (08:13 am) Mitch King:3 range chart definiitely has red line upsloping, blue line starting to level (08:13 am) Murano :I don't have Thunder but I look at CL 1-14 as being in a not trade zone right now. (08:14 am) electrader :In this strong of an uptrend can you expect a green buy signal? (08:14 am) Mitch King:this is playing out as i expected, most likely setup was a leveling of a redline somewhere in teh middle of scale (08:14 am) Mitch King:no electrader, not yet but im working on that with Thunder 2 (08:15 am) electrader :thx (08:15 am) Mitch King:now the mindset on this setup is not having high expectations of a big whopping profit, you are just positioning yourself on a smaller size positino long and just monitoring what is happening. (08:16 am) JoeyTSA :that $94.35 area has some res (08:16 am) Mitch King:your job now is to see if we continue to get higher highs, and with most important one is a new high for today (08:16 am) Mitch King:right joey (08:16 am) Mitch King:ok, problem, stop (08:16 am) JoeyTSA :didnt want to get back over R1 either (08:16 am) JoeyTSA :see close to $94 what happens (08:17 am) JoeyTSA :big vol candle Ed (08:17 am) Mitch King:got a sell signal on 3 range chart on Thunder 2, that can be used as your stop, probalby a bounce back to 94.20 and id use that bounce to sell on this top (08:18 am) Mitch King:no reason for panic sell (08:19 am) Mitch King:id consider selling on CL soon, take break (08:20 am) Mitch King:did that help you? thats another setup that often is worth taking but IS NOT near as good of a setup as out of a trend (08:21 am) Mitch King:and you guys did good homework on that, which proves beginning of trend like we saw when green turned to white has good potential profit (08:22 am) Mitch King:you guys should probably copy this text, by right clicking in the gray scroll bar area and pasting it to a wordpad or word doc and review later today (08:22 am) taco :i`ll keep my eye on that setup Mitch (08:23 am) Mitch King:it can be really useful when market is trending strongly one way or the other, both directions (08:26 am) Mitch King:ok now look at 4 range chart, purple line came off that extreme and looks leveling, redline still shallow downtrend, still looks bullish to me so far, (08:28 am) Mitch King:key thing to remember is whenever you make a trade or are thinking about making it, be on the side of trend. and you use this buy sell zones to determine that trend. Even if you trade for smaller profits, make sure your trades are short in a downtrend and long in an uptrend. (08:28 am) Mitch King:if you cannot interpret the trend, and it is not clear to you, then dont make a trade (08:28 am) JoeyTSA :smart advice (08:29 am) Mitch King:not getting enough bullish evidence for long in CL now (08:31 am) Mitch King:also, listen to your own thoughts, if something is bothering you about an existing trade, just calm down and talk out loud and go through procedure checklist. ask yourself questions, first one: "OK, what is the trend?" am i fighting that trend? (08:31 am) JoeyTSA :agree again Mitch, thats part of my "instinct based trading" (08:34 am) Mitch King:look for evidence of what is happening and you need to agree with charts and your interpretation before making trade. you notice how you react when you see a setup you really really like? for me, its like "Oh, theres a good one, and i sit down real quick, grab mouse, scoot up chair and im ready. (08:35 am) Mitch King:that tells me i really like it, i got a good signal on a chart, or a setup, and compare that with the crappy ideas we chase after. notice the difference in your mindset? big difference right? so use that word picture to remind you to wait for good setup (08:36 am) alan3 :Take care guys (08:36 am) Mitch King:you can easily turn a mediocre day into a crappy day by chasing garbage ideas (08:36 am) Mitch King:later alan (08:36 am) Ed :c ya alan (08:36 am) JoeyTSA :bye alan (08:37 am) taco :cya alan (08:38 am) Mitch King:its still bullish chart on CL (08:40 am) taco :are those two related joeyÉ (08:40 am) JoeyTSA :not sure (08:46 am) Mitch King:probably worth a 1 contract long here on CL (08:46 am) Mitch King:94.10 area (08:50 am) rd :Got to go. Thx for vrtx joey. good day to all (08:51 am) taco :cya rd (08:52 am) Ed :c ya rd (08:53 am) JoeyTSA :bye rd (09:12 am) JoeyTSA :i saw NY past law that you have to be 21 to buy cigarettes (09:13 am) taco :see the 5 yr old in indonesia who smokes 40 cigarets a day? (09:13 am) JoeyTSA :yeah (09:13 am) taco :child smoking an issue there.. (09:13 am) JoeyTSA :Ed: did you see that running back from wash st, high school? (09:13 am) taco :thx ed (09:13 am) JoeyTSA :6'4" 400lbs (09:14 am) Ed :yea (09:14 am) Ed :big kid (09:14 am) JoeyTSA :i wouldnt try to tackle him haha (09:15 am) Ed :lol (09:15 am) JoeyTSA :$13 for pack of cigarettes..so glad i dont smoke (09:21 am) taco :and most who smoke cant afford it (09:23 am) JoeyTSA :have to leave in a few, hope to be back for fomc release (09:25 am) Qwert :nice /CL call mitch still melting up (09:37 am) Mitch King:yeah not big potential, my read on it is not strong uptrend, not real interesting to me. (09:37 am) Mitch King:on CL (09:37 am) Mitch King:im taking break now (09:39 am) Qwert :i stopped out for 10 tic winner only 1 contract (09:40 am) Mitch King:ok good (09:41 am) Qwert :had good low risk entry after your call 94.08 (09:51 am) Murano :VJET not shortable at Lightspeed (09:52 am) JoeyTSA :didnt think so, thanks Murano (09:52 am) Ed :thx for VJET qwert (10:00 am) Murano :covered 3/4 P (10:06 am) JoeyTSA :eye on NFLX pullback (10:08 am) Murano :covered last 1/4 P (10:07 am) Ed :who trades with ninja and IB? (10:12 am) taco :i do ed (10:13 am) Ed :how do you like it (10:14 am) taco :its great, mind you i haven't any experience with much else that's good (10:14 am) Ed :ok (10:15 am) taco :the only thing i'm not sure about is sometimes ii have to reload my charts (10:15 am) taco :not sure if it's my internet, or what (10:15 am) Ed :ok (10:15 am) taco :not ideal when its a fast mover (10:16 am) taco :ninja thinks it has to do with having too many days history (10:16 am) Ed :that could do it (10:23 am) Ed :do you also use kinetic taco (10:23 am) taco :yes (10:52 am) JoeyTSA :VJET ugly since that nice up day a couple days back (10:55 am) Ed :sure is, citron report has done some damage (10:55 am) JoeyTSA :ever since that dbl top near $70 (10:56 am) JoeyTSA :DDD big red vol candle (10:56 am) Ed :DDD getting hammered (10:59 am) JoeyTSA :http://www.cnbc.com/id/101214861 (10:59 am) JoeyTSA :just in case anyone missed it (11:01 am) JoeyTSA :interesting that GS had been trickling down going into the announcement (11:03 am) JoeyTSA :looking at a few charts, its feels like the market should be down more (11:03 am) JoeyTSA :some ugly charts out there today (11:20 am) Ed :agreed joey (11:24 am) JoeyTSA :decent bounce on DDD (11:48 am) JoeyTSA :great bounce on VJET too (11:05 am) Qwert :/GC is all over the place (11:06 am) JoeyTSA :too dangerous for me, but nice $20 move down at one point (11:06 am) Qwert :was almost instant joey (11:06 am) JoeyTSA :lots of profit or loss for someone (11:06 am) Qwert :yeah not me just watching (11:07 am) JoeyTSA :same here (11:14 am) JoeyTSA :def watching 1780 (11:22 am) JoeyTSA :healthcare.gov crashes during sebilius tour in miami hahaha (11:24 am) Qwert :Gonna take off and take the family out to lunch cya all in the am, great calls today and teaching (11:24 am) JoeyTSA :have a good one Qwert (11:28 am) taco :cya qwert (11:42 am) Ed :c ya qwert (12:05 pm) Ed :we needed this, (12:06 pm) JoeyTSA :yeah but i honestly thought it would come after the holidays (12:07 pm) Ed :they just want to take some fluff out the markets (12:07 pm) JoeyTSA :before another runup? (12:28 pm) JoeyTSA :Thanks Mitch,Ed,Murano,Qwert,traders (12:28 pm) JoeyTSA :have a great day, see you all tomorrow (12:28 pm) Ed :c ya joey (12:31 pm) JoeyTSA :THanks Mitch,Ed,Diosna,Murano,Qwert,traders (12:31 pm) JoeyTSA :have a great day, see you tomorrow (12:32 pm) skydiver :take care joey (12:33 pm) Murano :see you joey (12:33 pm) Ed :c ya joey (12:34 pm) taco :cya joey (12:36 pm) Qwert :bye joey have a great night (12:45 pm) jasio :Ths Everyone (12:46 pm) taco :cya jasio (12:46 pm) Ed :c ya jasio (12:47 pm) rd :See you all tomorrow (12:47 pm) Ed :c ya rd (12:47 pm) taco :bye rd (12:58 pm) taco :thanks everyone have a great night, cya in the am (12:58 pm) Murano :see you taco (12:38 pm) taco :cya joey (12:52 pm) jasio :Thank you for today's education :). Have a nice day. (12:52 pm) Ed :take care jasio (12:53 pm) taco :cya jasio, thanks everyone have a nice night (12:55 pm) jasio :You keep busy learning :)See you all tomorrow. (01:00 pm) Qwert :good night everybody
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