Chat Highlights From 11/09/2012

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[08:42 am] Mitch K: im gone 8.17
[06:27 am] Ed : on JCP would watch that 20 level on any bounces
[06:28 am] Ed : ENR also got lot of action late yesterday and up this am
[06:29 am] Ed : if gets pass that had issue with 80 in past
[06:29 am] Ed : ENR hit 79 premarkt so level to keep an eye on
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching JAZZ for bottom
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching COV for bottom
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching DIS for bottom
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching PRGO for bottom
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching LULU
[06:31 am] Mitch K: monitoring DOV
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching MPC for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: monitoring TRV
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching OHI for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching DDD for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching THRX for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching DLB for top to short
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching BEAM for short on top of this bounce
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching TSLA for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: SD low priced
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching SD for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching ENR for top
[06:36 am] Mitch K: consider reducing JAZZ soon, gradually
[06:37 am] Mitch K: high
[06:37 am] Mitch K: hig of day on SPY
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching GXP for bottom
[06:38 am] Mitch K: consider selling COV if long, watch for short soon
[06:38 am] Mitch K: consider reducing DOV long, gradually
[06:38 am] Mitch K: monitoring AGU for top, too early now
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching ERF for bottom
[06:39 am] Mitch K: consider reducing more JAZZ if long
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching DUK but taking time,
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching SD closer
[06:41 am] Mitch K: soon
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching TRIP for short on top of bounce
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching COH for short, retailer, coach bags
[06:41 am] Mitch K: JAZZ toppy
[06:42 am] Mitch K: no hurry on ERF
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watching AFFY for top
[06:43 am] Mitch K: watching DGIT for top to short
[06:43 am] Mitch K: THRX toppy
[06:44 am] Mitch K: DIS tends to trend, bigger moves up, smaller pullbacks, then higher highs
[06:46 am] Mitch K: watching RAX for bottom
[06:46 am] Mitch K: still interested in LULU
[06:48 am] Mitch K: ERF still dead but continue to monitor for bottom
[06:48 am] Mitch K: prefer rebound first before shorting, thats what i mean
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching FLT for short, prefer rebound
[06:50 am] Mitch K: consider selling JAZZ, be cautious on a short with this
[06:51 am] Mitch K: watching ORLY for top, same sector as AAP, autoparts retailer.  AAP turning over now
[06:52 am] Mitch K: not liking ERF yet, check news on that
[06:52 am] Mitch K: SD bounce still strong
[06:53 am] Mitch K: i wouldnt short SD
[06:53 am] Ed : ERF has conference call this am
[06:53 am] Mitch K: SD strong on all charts
[06:55 am] Mitch K: you notice when i say comments like earlier on FLT has more downside, prefer rebound . . . . most always these just keep dropping down down down with little rebound.  its a little wishful thinking it rebounds so i short half position right when i see that pattern and wait for rebound and hit it again.  most times i just end up with half position because does not rebound until after bigger drop
[06:56 am] Mitch K: dont touch ERF yet, remind me to explain that pattern to you later
[06:56 am] Mitch K: on the 1 min chart
[06:56 am] Mitch K: SD little toppy here
[06:57 am] Mitch K: watching COH to cover short soon
[06:58 am] Mitch K: if you short SD take any profit, smalelr ones.  its coming out of a big bottom on daily chart, so these tend to have lot more power on the upside
[06:59 am] Mitch K: LULU bouncing
[07:02 am] Mitch K: not seeing the quantity of good ideas
[07:05 am] Mitch K: Second, if anyone here voted for Obama, we still love you but you need to spread the wealth around if you make money
[07:05 am] Mitch K: i wanted to say a couple things before i forget.  first, i really appreciate working with all of you, this is a really fun group and I get a lot of pleasure out of being here.
[07:08 am] Ed : SPY newhod
[07:09 am] Mitch K: looking for 68 area on LULU
[07:09 am] Mitch K: ERF trying to bounce here, smaller than normal position
[07:09 am] Mitch K: and you look at the daily chart on the extreme drop it has had, that also tells you the sellers are exhausted, mostly done selling
[07:09 am] Mitch K: the SD chart is perfect example of consolidation, hardly any pullback, mostly sideways action.  that tells you it is strong
[07:12 am] Mitch K: when i use the word monitoring, that means it is not ready but just starting to watch it
[07:12 am] Mitch K: monitoring MDVN
[07:14 am] Mitch K: ok RAX weakening a little
[07:14 am] Mitch K: RAX bounce still strong
[07:17 am] Mitch K: is in the middle of the two other prices that are purple and blue.
[07:17 am] Mitch K: since it is really slow this morning id like to explain a little how to read this on how strong a bounce is
[07:17 am] Mitch K: 2 min chart on RAX
[07:17 am] Mitch K: the black price that says 60.01 right now .. . . . .
[07:18 am] Mitch K: ok see how the black price of 60.16 is now higher than purple, that means it is still accelerating up
[07:18 am] Mitch K: so if i switch to a 1 min chart, lets look at that
[07:18 am] Mitch K: when you see the black price, which is the current price, toward the top or higher than the purple, that means it is really strong
[07:19 am] Mitch K: when you see the black 60.14 price down toward or below the blue, it is starting to weaken
[07:20 am] Mitch K: and the position it is in
[07:20 am] Mitch K: so if you are long something like RAX, you want to watch that black price marker.
[07:20 am] Mitch K: this is SPY etf, black price is below the other two colors right?  means it is weak, wants to go down
[07:21 am] Mitch K: but you may remember i didnt like how it was acting, i think i said it a couple times
[07:21 am] Mitch K: i am not sure quite how to intellectually explain this but i think what i am going to try to explain is based on so many years of watching charts
[07:21 am] Mitch K: let me go through ERF with you for a second
[07:22 am] Mitch K: right here in that blue area, i clearly saw this wasn tready to buy, not even close
[07:22 am] Mitch K: im not showing this so you can buy it , i am just explaining something
[07:24 am] Mitch K: first of all, this is a 2 min candle. so you see lower lows, lower highs and stock charts or futures charts they rarely move up without some transition period of going flat for at least 2 candles or 3 on a 2 min chart
[07:24 am] Mitch K: and you see at the bottom i ttook like 5-6 candles to even think about moving up
[07:25 am] Mitch K: i like stocks that have an accelerating drop, bigger down candles and biggest one is almost at bottom
[07:25 am] Mitch K: i liked SD for a different reason, it
[07:26 am] Mitch K: you touch anywhere in the chart and type in 1m, for 1 minute
[07:26 am] Mitch K: this is RAX gave very clear signal on the bottom of both 1 and 2 min, this one is a 2 min chart, let me switch to 1
[07:27 am] Mitch K: back to ERF chart here.  hope that helps you a little
[07:36 am] Mitch K: housing stocks really in the dog house today:  DHI, TOL, PHM
[07:36 am] Ed : Pres. Obama speaks at 1:30est today
[07:37 am] Mitch K: also KBH
[08:22 am] Ed : Speaker of house speaking
[08:24 am] Mitch K: someone get news on MCP, looks real good
[08:24 am] Ed : MCP fits of being more advanced trade
[08:25 am] Ed : Molycorp discloses formal order of investigation from SEC
[08:26 am] Mitch K: who wrote story on SEC investigation on MCP
[08:26 am] Ed : thx mike/doji
[08:27 am] Mitch K: oh ok
[08:27 am] Mitch K: i mean whats the news source
[08:28 am] Ed : ciruit breaker halt
[08:28 am] Mitch K: prob circuit breaker halt
[08:29 am] Mitch K: code M
[08:29 am] Mitch K: Individual Security Volatility Trading Pause Trading has been paused in an Exchange-Listed issue (Market Category Code = C) that experiences a price change of 10% or more within a rolling 5 minute period of time.
[08:30 am] Mitch K: no resumption time yet
[08:30 am] Mitch K: copy this in favorites:  http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/Trader.aspx?id=Tr adehalts
[08:30 am] Mitch K: what we want isa  gap down on opening of MCP and get lower price, im loking for a bounce but want lower
[08:31 am] Mitch K: look at daily chart, clearly people knew of this before today, selling for 2 weeks, accelerating drop, should bounce strongly
[08:32 am] Mitch K: we used to trade MCP a lot year ago
[08:33 am] Mitch K: re opened
[08:36 am] Mitch K: you earned an ice cream cone
[08:36 am] Mitch K: thanks for MCP murano
[08:37 am] Mitch K: but on MOnday Murano, you have to start all over again or you go back in the dog house
[08:38 am] Mitch K: code M halt again
[08:38 am] Mitch K: looks halted again
[08:39 am] Mitch K: i dont see this gapping down on this next opening
[08:39 am] Mitch K: has a lot of potential
[08:39 am] Mitch K: dont worry mike, this should keep moving up
[08:39 am] Mitch K: too much vol buying
[08:39 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[08:40 am] Mitch K: we are talking about MCP right now
[08:42 am] Mitch K: try for best price to close, my suggestion
[08:42 am] Mitch K: thats probably the top here
[08:42 am] Mitch K: topped out
[08:42 am] Mitch K: open
[08:42 am] Mitch K: no resumption time quoted yet
[08:43 am] Mitch K: yeah it is struggling
[08:44 am] Mitch K: another ice cream cone for Murano on short
[08:45 am] Mitch K: aMCP was around $79 high
[08:50 am] Mitch K: nice one murano, MRX
[08:50 am] Mitch K: half day trading after THanksgiving
[08:50 am] Mitch K: only holidays left this year is thanksgiving and christmas
[08:52 am] Mitch K: keep some shares short on MCP to see if goes below 7.50
[08:53 am] Mitch K: MCP looking like trying to bottom
[08:55 am] Mitch K: buy signal on MCP
[08:57 am] Mitch K: looking for short soon on MRX
[08:59 am] Mitch K: good man murano, you earned your keep for Monday now.  Work on TUesday ok?
[09:01 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[09:27 am] Mitch K: consider covering MRX here
[09:30 am] Mitch K: MRX buy signal
[09:42 am] Ed : would like a  move on CHRW into 63 area b4 considering potential short
[09:50 am] Ed : the time is 1pm est. the Prez will speak
[10:08 am] Ed : our Prez is about to speak
[10:15 am] Mitch K: MCP bouncing
[10:19 am] Mitch K: watching VRX for top to short, missed bottom
[10:20 am] Mitch K: i sure had a hard time keeping a straight face when i was posting "Watching LTD for bottom"  last week
[10:22 am] Mitch K: " and watching for bottom in LIFE"
[10:23 am] Mitch K: thanks for making us all money today Murano
[10:25 am] Mitch K: but VRX is low vol
[10:25 am] Mitch K: still watching VRX for short
[10:26 am] Mitch K: Hey Joey, did you see that AET, Aetna CEO forecasting 8.9% unemployment rate by end of first quarter
[10:27 am] Mitch K: and layoffs would be likely, esp because of healthcare costs
[10:27 am] Mitch K: yeah, he gauged that by talking to the other 80 CEOs in that group that said similar strategy to manage by costs, not by growth
[10:28 am] Mitch K: low of day on SPY
[10:29 am] Mitch K: new low again, lower low on SPY
[10:29 am] Mitch K: thanks qwert on CL, got buy signal alerted
[10:31 am] Ed : alert DTGT/HTZ
[10:33 am] Ed : FTC seeks more divestitures related to deal
[10:40 am] Ed : covering 3/4 of HTZ and DTG short
[11:34 am] Mitch K: lot
[11:34 am] Mitch K: lo of short covering going on
[12:57 pm] Ed : have a great weekend traders
[01:04 pm] Mitch K: later guys
[10:33 am] Ed : HTZ extends offer to aquire DTG to 11/16

[05:25 am] qwert  : Good morning to everybody
[05:49 am] mikewd2 -: good morning traders, nice 5 pt move in AAPL premarket
[06:01 am] taco  : good morning all
[06:02 am] taco  : MDRX might have a good move today
[06:05 am] joeytsa  : good morning Mitch, everyone
[06:07 am] qwert  : gm taco, joey
[06:07 am] qwert  : gm mike
[06:07 am] reshef  : g.morning
[06:08 am] taco  : hi qwert
[06:12 am] mikewd2 -: hi qwert
[06:14 am] joeytsa  : gap down: SPRD,STRA,DIS,JCP
[06:14 am] doji  : Good morning
[06:14 am] joeytsa  : gap up: AAPL,ZIP,NFLX,KYAK on buyout
[06:14 am] doji  : Missed APPL run in the pre=market.... I was too busy\
[06:14 am] taco  : thanks joey
[06:16 am] joeytsa  : not sure how today will play out..will traders try to pick up bargains or stay clear over teh weekend?
[06:17 am] joeytsa  : prelim U0fM #'s @ 6:55pdt, wholesale inv @ 7pdt, 0bama speaks @ 10:05pdt
[06:17 am] mikewd2 -: is monday a holiday?
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : still trading on monday
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : but yes, veterans day
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : banks closed etc
[06:18 am] mikewd2 -: ok, something flashed up on etrade and i didn't see it except holiday - haha
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : yeah that happened to me on columbus day..thought we had a 3 day weekend haha
[06:19 am] mikewd2 -: doji: a bit worried on AAPL premarket went down to 533.35'ish
[06:19 am] mikewd2 -: nice 10 pt rebound
[06:19 am] joeytsa  : mike: are you in AAPL?
[06:19 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, i still have weekly options
[06:20 am] mikewd2 -: calls
[06:20 am] joeytsa  : gotya
[06:20 am] mikewd2 -: 540's
[06:21 am] doji  : Holding the calls Mike. I  missed going long on the stock at the pre-market...
[06:21 am] mikewd2 -: i almost pulled the trigger, but kept thinking of that 528 area
[06:22 am] Ed : until Mitch gets back in room which should be shortly, I will be giving out alot of ideas, u want to pull up chart as soon as possible and see it it fits ur trading style
[06:22 am] mikewd2 -: good sign AAPL bounced back with down market
[06:22 am] qwert  : sure thing ed
[06:23 am] mikewd2 -: Ed, oh we suppose to have a trading style??? lol
[06:23 am] taco  : got it
[06:23 am] doji  : I'll most probbly run up at the open Mike... everyone wanting to upload in APPL.. at least for the next 2-3 days
[06:23 am] Ed : yea
[06:23 am] Ed : i think
[06:24 am] Ed : AAPL has dropped  from 700 so not uncommon to see some sort of bounce
[06:24 am] mikewd2 -: would love a big bounce
[06:24 am] skydiver  : gm all
[06:24 am] Ed : FSU won last night so Im happy
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: big bounce = lunch on doji
[06:25 am] qwert  : yay
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, saw that Ed
[06:25 am] doji  : I'd love it to pull back and then run up.... so gives the chance to load up first
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: if A&M wins saturday i will be happy too
[06:25 am] Ed : yea hokies are 11-3 playing at home
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: nice win
[06:25 am] Ed : who's on deck for a&m
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: haha - Alabama
[06:25 am] Ed : u guys at home
[06:25 am] mikewd2 -: at their place
[06:26 am] doji  : Hey Mike, APPL has moved but the options have not
[06:26 am] mikewd2 -: options don't open until 8:30am
[06:26 am] reshef  : sd
[06:26 am] mikewd2 -: reshef: if you post a stock for us to look at please make it in CAPS, ie SD
[06:27 am] reshef  : what is caos?
[06:27 am] reshef  : caps
[06:27 am] mikewd2 -: capitals
[06:27 am] doji  : it is almost 9:30AM ET
[06:27 am] joeytsa  : capital letters
[06:27 am] reshef  : ok
[06:27 am] mikewd2 -: thank you
[06:28 am] joeytsa  : but type regular words in lowercase
[06:28 am] joeytsa  : or it looks like you are shouting haha
[06:28 am] doji  : Watching FB
[06:28 am] reshef  : MCD
[06:28 am] joeytsa  : :)
[06:29 am] elisha  : Good Morning Mitch, Ed and everyone
[06:30 am] shark  : hi elisha, everyone
[06:30 am] elisha  : hey shark
[06:31 am] qwert  : watching DIS
[06:32 am] shark  : NFLX
[06:32 am] doji  : NFLX the usual ATM at the open
[06:33 am] joeytsa  : low prided SD falling
[06:33 am] joeytsa  : priced not prided
[06:33 am] joeytsa  : ES trying to break up
[06:33 am] mikewd2 -: maybe both joey
[06:33 am] doji  : Dang missed JCP
[06:34 am] doji  : APPL dropping... needs to hold 528
[06:34 am] joeytsa  : should be some support there doji
[06:35 am] joeytsa  : but like the saying goes, there is no support in a falling stock/market
[06:36 am] joeytsa  : KORS testing $51 res
[06:36 am] doji  : JCP
[06:37 am] doji  : ES very strong ...at least since the open
[06:38 am] shark  : FLT
[06:38 am] doji  : Ouch APPL
[06:41 am] taco  : dang, doing better today:)
[06:42 am] doji  : Watching AGU
[06:42 am] shark  : CMG back to b/e
[06:42 am] shark  : FLT
[06:43 am] doji  : SPY turned positive now
[06:43 am] shark  : thx, doji :)
[06:43 am] joeytsa  : DGIT spike, lower priced
[06:44 am] shark  : DIS
[06:44 am] joeytsa  : ORLY might get toppy
[06:45 am] shark  : thx, Mitch
[06:45 am] skydiver  : L SD 4.99 - out 3/4  at 5.26
[06:45 am] skydiver  : thnx Mitch for SD
[06:45 am] qwert  : nice sky
[06:45 am] skydiver  : slow today -- my first trade
[06:45 am] shark  : wake up, wake up, sky
[06:46 am] skydiver  : need coffee!!!
[06:46 am] shark  : lol
[06:46 am] skydiver  : :)_
[06:46 am] joeytsa  : AMZN lod
[06:46 am] joeytsa  : ES pulled back a bit
[06:46 am] doji  : a bit?
[06:46 am] shark  : about time on AMZN drop, joey
[06:47 am] shark  : teflon stock
[06:47 am] reshef  : CLB
[06:48 am] skydiver  : moving stop up on SD long
[06:50 am] joeytsa  : tighten SPRD if short
[06:50 am] joeytsa  : UofM#'s in 5 minutes
[06:50 am] doji  : FLT no rebound
[06:50 am] mikewd2 -: SD, been nice up 7% so far
[06:50 am] skydiver  : guess SD is a good stock for a foggy brain this morning :)
[06:50 am] joeytsa  : yeah, working nice
[06:51 am] mikewd2 -: loaded the boat with it, haha
[06:51 am] skydiver  : glad I doubled my normal position on SD
[06:52 am] joeytsa  : AAPL lod
[06:52 am] skydiver  : making more money on my last 1/4 piece of SD than my first 3/4!
[06:52 am] qwert  : same here sky
[06:53 am] doji  : ORLY strong
[06:53 am] skydiver  : nice qwert
[06:53 am] qwert  : i only went 1/2 position because low price stock
[06:53 am] doji  : Just one trade today, NFLX...
[06:54 am] mikewd2 -: out half SD, 12% gain
[06:54 am] qwert  : nice mike
[06:54 am] mikewd2 -: trailing last half 10 cents
[06:54 am] doji  : Nice Mike
[06:54 am] skydiver  : yeah qwert - I doubled mine since it was so low priced, but had tight stop on it and then jumped out a bit early on the first part
[06:54 am] joeytsa  : all out SD
[06:54 am] skydiver  : all out of SD long
[06:55 am] mikewd2 -: bought APPL 540 calls
[06:55 am] skydiver  : nice joey
[06:55 am] joeytsa  : :)
[06:55 am] mikewd2 -: at 2.70 for the calls
[06:55 am] mikewd2 -: michigan sentiment 84.9
[06:55 am] joeytsa  : those low priced ones dont usually hit my scanner, glad this one did
[06:56 am] mikewd2 -: me too joey
[06:56 am] mikewd2 -: stopped on last half, same 12%
[06:56 am] eyes  : way to go Mike
[06:56 am] doji  : ORLY
[06:57 am] joeytsa  : tigthen ORLY if long
[06:57 am] doji  : Long?
[06:57 am] doji  : I was waiting for the short
[06:57 am] qwert  : me to doji
[06:57 am] joeytsa  : i will sell you my shares :)
[06:57 am] qwert  : nice joey
[06:59 am] eyes  : any thoughts on S affy Here
[06:59 am] doji  : Big hammer on the daily on SD
[06:59 am] shark  : NFLX testing hod
[07:00 am] joeytsa  : ALXN been strong
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : ABT trying to move
[07:01 am] skydiver  : monitoring LNKD
[07:01 am] skydiver  : SPY moving up
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : RAX fighting at $59
[07:03 am] qwert  : ENR still moving up
[07:03 am] joeytsa  : out ORLY, looks tired but ready to jump again over $92
[07:03 am] skydiver  : nice joey on ORLY long
[07:03 am] joeytsa  : i mean i will jump if it pushes over $92
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : thx
[07:04 am] doji  : It's me or the market is very slow?
[07:04 am] Ed : very slow
[07:04 am] joeytsa  : just your internet h aha
[07:04 am] doji  : SD
[07:04 am] shark  : you trading on yesterdays data, doji?
[07:05 am] joeytsa  : yeah, like running in heavy sand
[07:05 am] doji  : Shark, ?
[07:05 am] joeytsa  : haha..we love it here too
[07:05 am] shark  : love it here too, Mi
[07:06 am] qwert  : best room ever
[07:06 am] doji  : Does sim vote counts Mike?
[07:06 am] skydiver  : This is a fantastic group to be with!!!   Thnx Mitch :)
[07:06 am] elisha  : same here, I love it here too Mitch
[07:06 am] taco  : glad we found each other!
[07:06 am] shark  : taco, taco, taco!
[07:06 am] joeytsa  : i honestly cant even remember how i stumbled upon TSA
[07:06 am] taco  : )
[07:06 am] elisha  : divine intervention joey
[07:06 am] joeytsa  : think i was just doing daytrading searches on the internet
[07:07 am] doji  : hahaha I saw it in The Street... Mitch saying he made millions of dollars....
[07:07 am] joeytsa  : saw some smiling Chinese guy and said  what the heck haha
[07:07 am] qwert  : hahaha
[07:08 am] joeytsa  : BIIB strong
[07:09 am] shark  : SPY new hod
[07:10 am] shark  : DIA positive now
[07:12 am] joeytsa  : if long RAX, its coming into $60
[07:13 am] doji  : APPL couereld brekout h
[07:14 am] mikewd2 -: traded calls 3 times today doji,
[07:14 am] mikewd2 -: on AAPL
[07:14 am] joeytsa  : RAX approx 50% retracement
[07:16 am] mikewd2 -: out SVXY from 62.00
[07:16 am] doji  : Mi calls are positive now Mike...let's see how it goes
[07:16 am] reshef  : ADT
[07:16 am] eyes  : ENR triangle any Thoughts
[07:16 am] mikewd2 -: i dumped my overnight on that first bump
[07:17 am] mikewd2 -: in puts now
[07:17 am] qwert  : okay listening
[07:18 am] skydiver  : ok
[07:19 am] shark  : yes
[07:21 am] doji  : APPL
[07:22 am] cowboyh  : ERF looks like a dead cat bounce
[07:22 am] skydiver  : yes you did Mitch
[07:22 am] mikewd2 -: sold the puts for small profits, but didn't get the call - doji
[07:23 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL at pivot
[07:24 am] qwert  : yep
[07:24 am] reshef  : Mitch can you show on fast mover like SD
[07:25 am] joeytsa  : ES touched 1380
[07:25 am] reshef  : Thanks
[07:25 am] joeytsa  : nice jump on AAPL
[07:27 am] mikewd2 -: doji, you still in your calls on APPL from yesterday?
[07:27 am] doji  : Selling 1/2 calls position at 7.60... from 4.7 yesterday
[07:27 am] joeytsa  : nice one doji
[07:27 am] joeytsa  : thanks Mitch
[07:27 am] mikewd2 -: very good
[07:27 am] qwert  : thx mitch
[07:27 am] doji  : Thanks Mike
[07:27 am] elisha  : thank you Mitch, for the lesson
[07:28 am] mikewd2 -: don't get to greedy, remember they expire today - lol
[07:28 am] reshef  : Mitch,when can start with?
[07:28 am] ticktrader  : Thank you Mitch
[07:28 am] taco  : thanks Mitch
[07:28 am] doji  : YEs thanks
[07:28 am] mikewd2 -: might want to use a stop
[07:28 am] mikewd2 -: fyi, i'm back in puts
[07:28 am] skydiver  : yes .. . thanks Mitch!!
[07:29 am] eyes  : mike you play in the money
[07:29 am] mikewd2 -: been playing the 540's both ways
[07:30 am] mikewd2 -: might look at moving the next calls up to 545 if i trade again
[07:31 am] Mitch K: eyes, dont play options, you need to get good at one thing and not jump around.  YOu need to stabilize one working with stocks
[07:31 am] mikewd2 -: very true Mitch, good advice
[07:31 am] eyes  : i am not playing them was just curios
[07:31 am] eyes  : i lost a lot on them a few years ago
[07:32 am] Mitch K: dont even look at them, get good at this pattern in stocks, reversals
[07:32 am] joeytsa  : options can be tricky
[07:33 am] shark  : options are like stocks on steroids, huge leverage, which can work both ways
[07:33 am] eyes  : Got it thanks Mitch
[07:33 am] joeytsa  : you can get lost in the greeks etc
[07:33 am] shark  : risk mgmnt is different than with stocks
[07:33 am] mikewd2 -: and I am playing only on thursdays and fridays on friday expiration
[07:34 am] doji  : Close all my options in APPL... thanks Mike
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: and only with a small portion of my weekly day trading profits
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: so get some profits first eyes -
[07:34 am] joeytsa  : ES making lower highs on my 340tick
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: very nice doji
[07:34 am] joeytsa  : nice doji
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: my puts working out nicely now
[07:34 am] shark  : trade like 1-2% of your portfolio size on any one position
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: die AAPL haha
[07:35 am] eyes  : Ya mike I am holding on by a thread right now
[07:35 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, you don't need options
[07:35 am] joeytsa  : the most important thing about options is that its still all about the stock
[07:35 am] mikewd2 -: you need to develop sound strategy and stick to the stuff Ed, Mitch has taught you
[07:35 am] eyes  : I am not trading it was just a question
[07:35 am] mikewd2 -: understand
[07:35 am] shark  : ok, eyes ;)
[07:36 am] doji  : FSLR
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : it was 1:05 earlier  haha
[07:36 am] taco  : eyes, have you read trading in the zone? it has helped me a lot
[07:37 am] eyes  : about four times
[07:37 am] shark  : TOL @ S3
[07:37 am] mikewd2 -: second term for Obama, might have the "i didn't not have sex with that women speech"
[07:37 am] taco  : k
[07:37 am] qwert  : love that book
[07:38 am] reshef  : CLF
[07:38 am] mikewd2 -: yeah coal stocks moving
[07:39 am] joeytsa  : http://tradersbase.com/backup/ebooks/summaryt radinginthezone.pdf
[07:39 am] joeytsa  : summary of the book
[07:39 am] doji  : another breakout in APPL?
[07:39 am] mikewd2 -: not able to take out 547.00 yet
[07:42 am] skydiver  : LNKD has been steady climb for awhile
[07:42 am] doji  : I will break it Mike... too many people wanting to get on boeard for sure
[07:42 am] doji  : It
[07:43 am] joeytsa  : break time, nice morning..make some money :)
[07:43 am] skydiver  : I have an early meeting to get too.   All out of LNKD long -- see ya all and have good break joey
[07:43 am] joeytsa  : enjoy sky, thanks
[07:44 am] skydiver  : :)
[07:44 am] taco  : bye sky
[07:44 am] taco  : cya j
[07:44 am] apple  : gm all fun traders, was in a futures class
[07:44 am] apple  : bye sky have fun
[07:44 am] taco  : hi apple
[07:45 am] qwert  : gm apple   cya sky
[07:45 am] klas  : gm apple
[07:45 am] apple  : gm klas
[07:45 am] apple  : gm taco
[07:45 am] apple  : gm qwert
[07:45 am] apple  : gm joey
[07:45 am] apple  : gm doji
[07:45 am] apple  : gm E
[07:45 am] regatta  : CLF
[07:45 am] apple  : gm MK
[07:46 am] doji  : HI Appl
[07:46 am] doji  : I sent you an e-mail apple
[07:46 am] apple  : i did a quick reply
[07:46 am] apple  : more later
[07:47 am] doji  : Tnaks
[07:49 am] shark  : LULU nearing b/e
[07:49 am] shark  : hi & thx, apple :)
[07:50 am] qwert  : Watching MDRX
[07:50 am] shark  : NFLX 3x hod retest
[07:51 am] eyes  : CLF
[07:51 am] apple  : pres to speak at 1 EST
[07:51 am] apple  : saw that shark
[07:52 am] doji  : Hummm. could drag the markets?
[07:52 am] shark  : what doji?
[07:53 am] doji  : The President
[07:53 am] shark  : haha, oh yeah, of course
[07:53 am] taco  : MDRX
[07:59 am] Ed : this is suggestion for eyes and others who are having issues with being consistently profitable, or just starting. I would stongly recommend going back to basics, keeping it simple. And pick 1 strategy and stick with it for as long as it takes to become highly proficient with that particular startegy
[08:00 am] apple  : great advice E
[08:00 am] Ed : Proficient meaning ur win% is far outweighing ur loss, and ur profitable more days than not
[08:00 am] shawn  : Anybody short CLF?
[08:01 am] Ed : no matter what level, we tend to forget and think we have to trade everything, this is far from the trutk, u woill only make ur broker happy
[08:02 am] shark  : ZIP
[08:02 am] Ed : even if ur particular strategy yields 5 trades per week, who cares, u dont need alot of trades to have a profitable day,week,month,year
[08:02 am] taco  : agree
[08:03 am] taco  : much better than 20 losing trades
[08:03 am] taco  : i'm turning the corner there
[08:03 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL at 550
[08:03 am] apple  : good for you taco
[08:03 am] taco  : ty
[08:04 am] Ed : never feel like u have to catch every trade, if u miss so be it, you have to know that opportunities abound in market place, and the best think u can do is be mentally, prepared for when it comes,
[08:04 am] apple  : also helps to be familiar with a few stocks and recognizing the patterns
[08:05 am] Ed : and so much easier to recognize 1 pattern
[08:05 am] doji  : APPL has been slowliy drifting hihgers....
[08:05 am] apple  : right and when you see it, go4it!
[08:05 am] doji  : look like a controlled buying
[08:06 am] Ed : does that make sense????
[08:06 am] eyes  : i have done three trades today -12 dollars
[08:06 am] taco  : yezz
[08:07 am] taco  : very much
[08:07 am] elisha  : Ed, your Saturday lesson was so encouraging.  I had to laugh when the reference to setting small daily profit goals was mentioned at $200 per day to start.   I had, prior to your class, had figured $100 per day would keep me off the streets.
[08:07 am] apple  : earlier i took an AAPL 550 call
[08:07 am] Ed : right,  u dont have to make it such a huuge goal
[08:07 am] Ed : baby steps
[08:09 am] Ed : on what u mentioned on SD, thats a small adjustment eyes
[08:09 am] eyes  : Well at this Point I have not been able to do that Elisha so you are good
[08:09 am] elisha  : I have discovered, however the trade has gone, when I am out to just take it off the screen and look for something else.  I say to myself, there is ALWAYS another trade.
[08:09 am] reshef  : Ed, as I understand all about S/R whow win buyer or seller and to be on the trend
[08:09 am] Ed : its different for everyone, but u want the goal to be measurable, and realistic
[08:10 am] elisha  : Eyes, I am not live yet so for me this is all theory.  I don't yet have your courage.
[08:10 am] Ed : nice elisha, u find things that work best 4u
[08:10 am] elisha  : You and Mitch and everyone here are all so helpful.
[08:10 am] ticktrader  : One of the things I am struggling with is that Mitch has SO many ideas within first few minutes, and I start looking at few whihc may have not signala and miss th signlas on other. Big challenge
[08:11 am] apple  : it's best to try to execute your trades flawlessly and be worried about the cash, it will come
[08:11 am] Ed : so, what u want to do tick if ur trading off ideas in room, is to work on ur speed
[08:12 am] elisha  : Tick, I have that same problem but joey put it in perspective for me.  He said just a few days ago that you can only catch a few and you don't know if the ones you catch will be big or not.
[08:12 am] Ed : ur challenge right now is not unique to you, many of us had same issue when we started in room
[08:12 am] elisha  : so back to there's always another trade
[08:13 am] reshef  : Ed, Do you see sell on CLF?
[08:13 am] ticktrader  : I am realizing that 2 monitors is not enough and I can't be indecisive during that first hour.
[08:13 am] apple  : yes, right.  joey is corect.  and we have all been through it
[08:13 am] doji  : FB
[08:14 am] Ed : hey reshef, thats more of a wear u out type of trade if ur tryn to short, so would pass
[08:14 am] sman  : are the graphs on screen the better choices of Mitch's suggestions?
[08:15 am] reshef  : Thanks
[08:15 am] taco  : i am greatful to have found this trading room for sure
[08:15 am] elisha  : Another thing that blows me away is how you guys can trade and banter - especially in the first 90 minutes.  I can barely keep up with the calls - let alone the chat.
[08:16 am] Ed : when Mitch, calls them, I try to put up the charts for viewing, some may not get chance to get placed
[08:16 am] eyes  : see you all later
[08:16 am] apple  : elisha you just have to pick and choose
[08:17 am] taco  : bye eyes
[08:17 am] apple  : bye eyes
[08:17 am] elisha  : bye eyes
[08:17 am] Ed : c ya eyes
[08:18 am] joeytsa  : good lesson Ed, just catching up
[08:18 am] joeytsa  : boehner getting ready to speak
[08:18 am] elisha  : apple, i am guessing the picking and choosing gets more instinctive after viewing the first million charts.
[08:18 am] ticktrader  : Elisha- I agree with you it is difficult to chat and trade during the first hour.
[08:19 am] Ed : sman, this time of day things tend to slow down, so we get from time to time some news mover or buyout rumor to exploit for trade
[08:19 am] elisha  : Tick, you misunderstood me, right now for me its impossible
[08:19 am] Ed : they are typically more advanced
[08:19 am] apple  : again, it's recognizing the pattern and making a quick decision
[08:19 am] Ed : are you new sman?
[08:20 am] sman  : yes
[08:20 am] joeytsa  : welcome to the room sman
[08:20 am] Ed : welcome to the room
[08:20 am] ticktrader  : Elisha- I am flat or in a slow moving position with stops and targets in place, I can manage multitasking. But, when I am trying to get into a trade duirign the first hour, it is impossible for me.
[08:20 am] taco  : hey sman
[08:20 am] apple  : sman you pcked the right place, welcome
[08:21 am] apple  : tick, some people wait until after 10, find out what will work best for you
[08:21 am] ticktrader  : SMAN- Big Welcome from Los Angeles
[08:21 am] Ed : good point, tick, as trader its important to know not only the types of trades that fit ur personality but also the time u have the most success
[08:21 am] Ed : time of day that it
[08:21 am] taco  : or what Mitch said the other day 1 look for big mover 2 wait for signal 3 monitor for closing signal
[08:21 am] murano  : MCP
[08:22 am] reshef  : MCP
[08:22 am] joeytsa  : ES pulling back
[08:22 am] mikewd2 -: Molycorp discloses formal order of investigation from SEC
[08:22 am] doji  : SEC Investigation in MCP
[08:22 am] apple  : MCP has really hit the skids!
[08:24 am] murano  : No shorts at Lightspeed
[08:24 am] doji  : It's a formal investigation from the SEC
[08:25 am] mikewd2 -: we posted it mitch
[08:25 am] apple  : thx doji
[08:26 am] Ed : Mitch has 101 monitors
[08:26 am] apple  : thx mike
[08:27 am] doji  : I did
[08:27 am] apple  : and 50 hands
[08:27 am] mikewd2 -: Molycorp disclosed
[08:27 am] doji  : 10-Q
[08:28 am] qwert  : halted
[08:28 am] murano  : Halted
[08:28 am] doji  : 1/2 million shares /minute being dumped
[08:28 am] doji  : halted
[08:28 am] qwert  : so that means hands off?
[08:28 am] joeytsa  : looks like it Mitch
[08:28 am] victor51  : Need to go uut. Good luck everyone
[08:28 am] mikewd2 -: dang, just put in a long order but halted before executed - either luck or ??
[08:28 am] ticktrader  : Cya Victor
[08:29 am] joeytsa  : have to be careful with those fast/big moves...halts can come
[08:30 am] doji  : Tell me that
[08:30 am] ticktrader  : how long is the pause
[08:30 am] mikewd2 -: minutes to days tick
[08:34 am] apple  : bye victor have fun
[08:34 am] Ed : sweet
[08:36 am] joeytsa  : haha
[08:36 am] joeytsa  : i will throw in the sprinkles on top
[08:37 am] cowboyh  : I make it 2 scoops
[08:37 am] taco  : 2 of those/wk properly handled is great $
[08:37 am] taco  : even 1
[08:37 am] joeytsa  : yep
[08:38 am] taco  : lots of time too
[08:38 am] Ed : he had bankers hours yesterday Mitch
[08:38 am] ticktrader  : Halted again?
[08:38 am] qwert  : yep
[08:38 am] Ed : halted again
[08:39 am] mikewd2 -: damn, had a sell at 8.31 and didn't get executed
[08:39 am] mikewd2 -: canceled sale order - maybe i got lucky
[08:40 am] apple  : may be, mike
[08:40 am] mikewd2 -: yep
[08:41 am] eyes  : what did i miss
[08:41 am] Ed : MCP short/long
[08:41 am] taco  : hey eyes
[08:42 am] eyes  : wow nice move
[08:42 am] mikewd2 -: i'm long from 7.72
[08:42 am] joeytsa  : trading
[08:43 am] joeytsa  : AAPL tri top on 1min
[08:44 am] joeytsa  : MCP has been a dog for around 18months
[08:44 am] apple  : thx joey, remember when it was in the 60s?
[08:45 am] joeytsa  : yeah, it was in the 70's at one point
[08:45 am] qwert  : no shares at light speed for short
[08:45 am] joeytsa  : back when "rare earth" was the next big thing
[08:46 am] qwert  : now just checked and they have some at light speed
[08:46 am] joeytsa  : still on the L list
[08:46 am] joeytsa  : but that doesnt mean they dont have them
[08:46 am] doji  : No shares in TDA
[08:47 am] qwert  : yeah first time i checked was none and now they have them
[08:47 am] joeytsa  : hard to borrow at schwab too surprise surprise  haha
[08:47 am] joeytsa  : ENR broke down a bit
[08:48 am] doji  : We need another leg down in MCP...
[08:48 am] apple  : nice long moves off lod on ES
[08:48 am] joeytsa  : trading really slow though
[08:48 am] mikewd2 -: wonder how high it would have bounced without vol breaker
[08:48 am] apple  : everything seems slow, is monday a market holiday - veteran's' day
[08:48 am] joeytsa  : trading open on monday
[08:49 am] apple  : well, robert has off of school and it's supposed to about 65 degrees, so it's a playday -- may trade early am tho
[08:50 am] murano  : MRX
[08:50 am] apple  : thx MK
[08:50 am] joeytsa  : yeah, might just skip that day
[08:51 am] taco  : nice murano
[08:51 am] joeytsa  : thx murano
[08:51 am] reshef  : STRA
[08:55 am] mikewd2 -: die AAPL
[08:56 am] mikewd2 -: Google websites blocked in China, Washington Post reports
[08:57 am] mikewd2 -: back in MCP L
[08:59 am] murano  : Ok
[09:00 am] apple  : high noon rally?
[09:07 am] apple  : NFLX has been hugging 77 for about 7 days, getting reading for another breakout?
[09:08 am] doji  : I had nice rallies at the open Apple
[09:09 am] apple  : right, but i was looking on 15 min 15 day
[09:09 am] apple  : more long term
[09:09 am] reshef  : NS
[09:10 am] doji  : Look at APPL in the 15min chrta
[09:12 am] ticktrader  : looks like a down step ladder
[09:12 am] reshef  : SCO
[09:13 am] apple  : has been bearish along with GOOG since october
[09:13 am] scalpman  : Time To go...a great trading day 6/7...UBNT, MRX, ACIW, and MCP  to name a few.
[09:14 am] scalpman  : TS scanner proved to be valuable today...
[09:14 am] Ed : nice going scalp
[09:14 am] apple  : great job scalp, have a fun weekend
[09:14 am] scalpman  : Thanks Ed....see you monday. Bye guys!
[09:14 am] scalpman  : ...and gals!
[09:14 am] scalpman  : ha
[09:14 am] ticktrader  : Scalpman we will have to exchange notes on the TS scanner
[09:14 am] qwert  : bye scalp have a great weekend
[09:15 am] scalpman  : See qwert
[09:15 am] scalpman  : see ya
[09:17 am] elisha  : bye scalp
[09:18 am] Ed : hey taco u see the videos about the 8year old girl that plays football
[09:18 am] apple  : she is amazing
[09:18 am] Ed : and fast
[09:19 am] apple  : football is not just for boys, apparently
[09:20 am] apple  : nice pop on HaIN
[09:20 am] joeytsa  : yeah i saw her
[09:21 am] Ed : I would mute the music
[09:21 am] Ed : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3FkyJ5qTs
[09:25 am] mikewd2 -: nice Ed, supposedly FSU is looking to offer scholarship
[09:25 am] Ed : :)
[09:26 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL, new hod
[09:26 am] eyes  : CL on the move
[09:28 am] sman  : MRX
[09:28 am] doji  : Have been waiting on a pull back but it seems most stocks won't look back today... will wait until Monday
[09:28 am] mikewd2 -: those 540 calls doji are now over 13
[09:31 am] apple  : wow good one mike
[09:31 am] doji  : YEs, left 50% on the table.... dang
[09:32 am] mikewd2 -: i left more than half
[09:32 am] taco  : hey ed, just got back..
[09:32 am] apple  : what did you get them for, mike?
[09:32 am] mikewd2 -: i bought 540 calls as low as 2.30 this morning
[09:32 am] joeytsa  : thats why its a bad habit to go back and look sometimes
[09:32 am] mikewd2 -: i know joey
[09:32 am] apple  : smart guy
[09:32 am] joeytsa  : we all do it though haha
[09:32 am] mikewd2 -: apple, i dumped them at 4.60 from 2.30
[09:33 am] joeytsa  : traders are never happy unless they can buy at the exact bottom and sell at the exact top
[09:34 am] taco  : is she related to you ed?
[09:34 am] Ed : no, alot of teams could use her though
[09:34 am] taco  : wow ya
[09:35 am] doji  : I bough this morning APPL 585 calls weelkly next week at 1.19, now 1.65
[09:35 am] apple  : that was still a great profit, or you could have sold half
[09:35 am] apple  : good one doji
[09:35 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL at pivot
[09:36 am] doji  : It will break that pivot Mike.... peopke just getting nuts at APPL
[09:37 am] mikewd2 -: I've given back some money tried puts a couple times
[09:37 am] doji  : especially after that drop from $700
[09:38 am] joeytsa  : either that or setting up a nice short entry area
[09:44 am] joeytsa  : not trading it yet, but WTW just lost its support ma's
[09:50 am] regatta  : KYAK
[09:51 am] doji  : Was not bought by PCLN?
[09:52 am] joeytsa  : thought they were
[09:52 am] shark  : yes
[09:53 am] shark  : AAPL testing R1
[09:54 am] doji  : It will break that also Shark
[09:54 am] shark  : ;)
[09:55 am] joeytsa  : break here should get it to $560
[09:55 am] joeytsa  : $570ish looks to be some trendline res
[09:57 am] joeytsa  : PHH spike up
[09:58 am] joeytsa  : about 60cents
[09:59 am] shark  : doji, you catch any of the move in TOL?
[10:00 am] shark  : KBH was good too, nicer chart
[10:03 am] doji  : No
[10:04 am] shark  : housing stocks are you other baby, doji.
[10:12 am] doji  : SPY pulling back... is Obama speaking?
[10:12 am] shark  : yes
[10:12 am] qwert  : Monitoring PVH
[10:13 am] shark  : KORS, LULU too
[10:13 am] joeytsa  : tighten PHH if short
[10:15 am] aussie123  : LOOK OUT Obama on TV
[10:15 am] shark  : australia tv too, aussie?
[10:16 am] aussie123  : NO... i live in Phoenix
[10:16 am] shark  : hahaha :)
[10:19 am] joeytsa  : ES popped too
[10:21 am] shark  : nice one, Mitch
[10:22 am] shark  : :)
[10:22 am] murano  : Have a good weekend, see ya'll Monday
[10:22 am] joeytsa  : "looking for a round bottom"
[10:23 am] shark  : lod in LIFE ;)
[10:23 am] joeytsa  : you too murano..nice calls
[10:23 am] taco  : c ya murano
[10:23 am] shark  : bye murano
[10:23 am] Ed : c ya murano
[10:23 am] qwert  : cya murano have a great weekend
[10:23 am] elisha  : I thought it was funny when you posted "monitoring Ed".  I wanted to post back, "why? what's he doing?"
[10:23 am] shark  : keep up the good work
[10:23 am] apple  : have a great weekend murano
[10:23 am] Mitch K: well i was laughing on that post too for another meaning elisha
[10:24 am] elisha  : ok, i'll bite - what other meaning?
[10:24 am] Ed : its the power company ED
[10:24 am] doji  : Markets dropping
[10:25 am] joeytsa  : http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercool er/2012/nov/8/picket-companies-plan-massive-l ayoffs-obamacare-be/
[10:25 am] shark  : thx, joey
[10:26 am] joeytsa  : also read somewhere that 45 companies have already given 60day layoff notices due to 0care
[10:26 am] elisha  : Ed, I know it's a company, but I naturally thought of you!
[10:26 am] Ed : ahh how sweet
[10:26 am] doji  : Ouchhh....Ed the man!
[10:26 am] doji  : Mrs. Mood.........
[10:26 am] Ed : shhhhhh
[10:27 am] joeytsa  : yeah, wasnt the ceo on cnbc the other day
[10:27 am] elisha  : don't get verklempt - the application was "monitoring"
[10:27 am] Ed : oh good point
[10:27 am] joeytsa  : also heard an estimate of 700k jobs will be lost
[10:27 am] qwert  : CL dropping
[10:28 am] shark  : don't know how Obama can create jobs, when states like CA do good enough job being anti-business
[10:28 am] qwert  : CL 12-12
[10:28 am] joeytsa  : the jobs not cut will get dropped to below 28hrs
[10:28 am] shark  : good point, joey
[10:29 am] joeytsa  : ES lost 1380..big swings
[10:29 am] joeytsa  : is this traders saying a collective " BS "
[10:30 am] shark  : yup!
[10:30 am] shark  : Traders just need a trend
[10:30 am] shark  : we don't care which way
[10:33 am] qwert  : news on dtg, htz?
[10:33 am] joeytsa  : lunchtime..see you all in 30
[10:33 am] shark  : c ya joey
[10:34 am] apple  : look at hertz go
[10:36 am] apple  : bye joey have fun
[10:37 am] apple  : down
[10:38 am] qwert  : CAR going higher
[10:38 am] eyes  : is there a bar timer for TS
[10:39 am] sman  : CAR spike up
[10:42 am] Ed : not sure eyes
[10:42 am] shark  : CMG testing lod
[10:46 am] mikewd2 -: nice 8pt drop in AAPL over last hour
[10:46 am] apple  : yeah
[10:46 am] shark  : :)
[10:47 am] mikewd2 -: apple, on your option strategy - how many contracts are you doing?
[10:48 am] apple  : i had done 5 in one account and 10 in another
[10:48 am] mikewd2 -: ok
[10:48 am] mikewd2 -: need to look into that play
[10:49 am] shark  : ;)
[10:49 am] apple  : do it on paper and just watch, in TS you can have theoretical trades running
[10:52 am] Ed : mike sold his cattle so he could bid on the picasso art
[10:52 am] qwert  : hahaha
[10:53 am] apple  : but mike is not laughing
[10:54 am] Ed : he probably lost the bid
[10:59 am] eyes  : Have a awesome weekend everyone
[11:00 am] qwert  : cya eyes  have a great weekend
[11:01 am] Ed : c ya eyes
[11:01 am] taco  : beyes
[11:01 am] qwert  : Ed are u still in HTZ
[11:02 am] Ed : yes just last 1/4
[11:02 am] qwert  : was curious i exited full instead of 3/4 like normal
[11:03 am] Ed : i do that alot also
[11:03 am] qwert  : where are u trailing your stop at?
[11:04 am] Ed : right behind 20sma
[11:04 am] qwert  : on 1 min?
[11:04 am] Ed : yes
[11:06 am] qwert  : do u ever split the last 1/4
[11:06 am] Ed : never
[11:06 am] qwert  : always stop or still use a tgt
[11:06 am] sman  : OMPI spiking up
[11:07 am] Ed : i make that last 1/4 fun so sometimes use tgt other times trail
[11:07 am] qwert  : so what r u doing this time
[11:07 am] Ed : trail
[11:08 am] Ed : trial until i get stopped
[11:08 am] qwert  : right okay thx
[11:12 am] apple  : V
[11:13 am] joeytsa  : thank you for the email apple  :)
[11:14 am] apple  : np, V just shot up
[11:15 am] qwert  : i want to get an email from apple  :(
[11:16 am] apple  : np, COST
[11:16 am] joeytsa  : only prob with that is that the check she send via email is scanned :)
[11:16 am] qwert  : haha
[11:17 am] apple  : haha
[11:19 am] apple  : nice drop on V
[11:19 am] joeytsa  : V was too quick for me
[11:19 am] joeytsa  : nice call though
[11:20 am] apple  : joey you're slowing down!
[11:20 am] joeytsa  : more conservative :)
[11:20 am] joeytsa  : fading those really fast ones is my weak area
[11:21 am] apple  : i thought you liked those
[11:21 am] joeytsa  : i usually do better jumping on a continued move..catching the run early
[11:21 am] apple  : ok
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : that gave no signal ( building momentum ), it just jumped on high vol...Ed does well with the setup that V had
[11:22 am] apple  : right
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : had there been a couple of slightly higher vol green candles, plus it sitting on the whole # ( $142) ,might have been a play
[11:23 am] apple  : agree
[11:24 am] joeytsa  : not even sure i would have caught a cup breakout at 142.50 with how quick it shot
[11:26 am] apple  : right, would have had to be looking at it
[11:26 am] joeytsa  : yeah
[11:29 am] qwert  : Lakers fire Mike Brown
[11:29 am] joeytsa  : LNKD keeps hitting my scanner, not seeing anythign yet, but will keep the chart up
[11:30 am] ticktrader  : I was expecting firing of Mike Brown. They need Phil Jackson back.
[11:31 am] joeytsa  : i used to see Phil Jackson coach for $5 when he was coach of the Albany Patroons of the CBA league
[11:33 am] ticktrader  : HOw long ago was that?
[11:33 am] joeytsa  : the ES is at the pp
[11:33 am] joeytsa  : back in the 1980's
[11:33 am] joeytsa  : albany,ny
[11:34 am] joeytsa  : any idea if monday will be slower volume due to veterans day...i cant remember last year?
[11:35 am] apple  : the schools have off and i don't know about the banks, etc.  may be lower volume day
[11:37 am] joeytsa  : bank holiday, no settlement day
[11:38 am] apple  : i am sure government offices also closed
[11:39 am] joeytsa  : correct, fed holiday..banks,post office closed
[11:41 am] apple  : then i will take this opportunity to thank all our veterans and those in service
[11:43 am] joeytsa  : definately
[11:44 am] joeytsa  : ES pulling back to pp
[11:44 am] joeytsa  : might test 1380 support
[11:51 am] joeytsa  : PANL vol spike
[11:58 am] klas  : Any vets in the room?
[11:58 am] klas  : Veterans
[11:59 am] klas  : what happend to Rusty
[11:59 am] apple  : he's gone klas
[11:59 am] klas  : were too
[12:00 pm] apple  : just not here
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : just read that Petraeus resigned
[12:03 pm] mikewd2 -: was he tired of fighting with Obama?
[12:03 pm] joeytsa  : stated extra-marital affair
[12:03 pm] joeytsa  : so yes  haha
[12:03 pm] mikewd2 -: with Obama - haha
[12:04 pm] mikewd2 -: dang , dumped my AAPL puts too early
[12:04 pm] apple  : MUC
[12:07 pm] ticktrader  : apple what scanner did you use for MUC?
[12:09 pm] apple  : saw it on etrade hi/lo
[12:10 pm] ticktrader  : TKS
[12:11 pm] ticktrader  : I meant thank you
[12:11 pm] apple  : np
[12:11 pm] joeytsa  : AAPL forming a h/s type pattern
[12:12 pm] shark  : on intraday, joey?
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : break down could net 5-10pts
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : on the 1min..sorry
[12:12 pm] shark  : was nice at 550.50 level
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : yeah, lower high to short into
[12:13 pm] joeytsa  : so easy to see now  haha
[12:14 pm] mikewd2 -: if i noticed the h/s would have held my puts closer to close
[12:16 pm] joeytsa  : its funny, when you look at a chart, how many patterns you see..always more than 1
[12:17 pm] shark  : yeah, joey
[12:17 pm] shark  : mike, you had today expiry puts, AAPL?
[12:17 pm] mikewd2 -: and calls
[12:18 pm] mikewd2 -: traded both several times
[12:18 pm] shark  : :)
[12:18 pm] shark  : DDD had pocket pivot yesterday, nice vol today, too
[12:18 pm] mikewd2 -: looks like AAPL wanting to settle in that 545 area
[12:19 pm] joeytsa  : neckline area
[12:19 pm] shark  : not much price progress relative to vol on daily
[12:20 pm] mikewd2 -: and 545.61 is pivot on my chart
[12:20 pm] joeytsa  : i have one at 544,68 and it just bounced off it
[12:20 pm] shark  : 545.117 my PIVOT on AAPL
[12:21 pm] mikewd2 -: difference in floor traders and Camarilla
[12:21 pm] joeytsa  : thats why i said 545 area..price can over/under shoot
[12:21 pm] shark  : thought math should be same for pivot #
[12:21 pm] shark  : ??
[12:21 pm] joeytsa  : TS pp's are a bit different
[12:21 pm] mikewd2 -: different math guys
[12:22 pm] mikewd2 -: different formulas
[12:22 pm] joeytsa  : hate the way they work on the open
[12:22 pm] joeytsa  : esig's worked great
[12:23 pm] joeytsa  : one day i will trade mainly on price action..wont need all these lines  haha
[12:24 pm] apple  : shark, my pivot was 545.12 on TS close enough
[12:24 pm] shark  : yeahhhh! :)
[12:24 pm] apple  : joey did you take ken's webinar
[12:25 pm] joeytsa  : i have seen a few of them
[12:25 pm] joeytsa  : looks like $23.90 is some res on PANL
[12:25 pm] apple  : no, did you sign up for his course, i have seen a couple as well
[12:26 pm] joeytsa  : no, just the free stuff
[12:26 pm] apple  : oh, ok
[12:27 pm] joeytsa  : i find it strange that he seems to be really good...but can only trade low # of shares
[12:29 pm] apple  : i didn't get that either
[12:29 pm] joeytsa  : we all have our "breaking point" i guess
[12:31 pm] jsn13  : most of his materials overlapped...but he always says that they r brand new...
[12:31 pm] klas  : Have a great weekend traders see you next week
[12:31 pm] joeytsa  : but now i hear him on his weekly update " he shoots, he scores"...and i know that his 2pt move made him $45  :)
[12:31 pm] Ed : c ya klas
[12:31 pm] jsn13  : hahahaha....
[12:31 pm] joeytsa  : bye klas
[12:31 pm] Ed : lol
[12:31 pm] taco  : bye klas
[12:32 pm] shark  : bye klas...
[12:32 pm] Ed : and u see why he may trade 100 to 300 stocks a day
[12:32 pm] joeytsa  : exactly...but that makes no sense to me
[12:32 pm] klas  : Joey traying to go to the trader expo nest week and hook up a shark for lunch i will let you know
[12:32 pm] joeytsa  : but thats just me
[12:32 pm] joeytsa  : sounds good..shoot a message
[12:33 pm] shark  : yes, joey...
[12:33 pm] Ed : right strangely enough thats his comfort zone
[12:33 pm] klas  : Thursday is my best day
[12:33 pm] joeytsa  : yeah, its wierd because he seems to pick decent stocks
[12:33 pm] qwert  : sounds like he needs to get just a little outside his comfort zone
[12:33 pm] joeytsa  : and has his pattern recognition down
[12:33 pm] apple  : i would rather trade just a few with more shares if the setups meet the criteria
[12:34 pm] apple  : agree ed, qwert, joey
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : same here apple
[12:34 pm] jsn13  : quality rather than quantity...
[12:34 pm] jsn13  : but well it's his style...
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : thankfully its not mine haha
[12:34 pm] qwert  : i was gonna say its his livelihood
[12:35 pm] qwert  : wow think that spelling is wrong
[12:35 pm] joeytsa  : hard enough making money using 100 shares, much less scaling up to 100  :)
[12:35 pm] qwert  : hahaha
[12:35 pm] joeytsa  : but, it works for him
[12:36 pm] qwert  : guess depends which stock  100 brk.a ?
[12:36 pm] joeytsa  : try that using schwab
[12:36 pm] jsn13  : anyone here practices his method?
[12:37 pm] joeytsa  : most here in the room probably dont remember $19.95 was an amazing commission rate
[12:37 pm] jsn13  : his breakout strategy for day trading i mean....
[12:37 pm] shark  : I used to pay at least $139 each way
[12:37 pm] joeytsa  : i like his cup breaks
[12:37 pm] shark  : and that wasn't Southwest LA to Florida
[12:37 pm] joeytsa  : haha
[12:38 pm] apple  : nice one shark
[12:38 pm] jsn13  : do u think that 10 cent stop is to tight sometimes?
[12:38 pm] ticktrader  : Have a great weekend
[12:38 pm] shark  : bye tick
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : we are blessed with what we have technology/pricing now
[12:38 pm] mikewd2 -: nice 4pt bear cup on AAPL in lasst 20 minutes
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : yes jason
[12:38 pm] shark  : yes, joey...modern life becoming more efficient in many ways
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : unless you are already in the profit zone
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : mentioned b4 that i used to trade with no charts
[12:39 pm] reshef  : AEE
[12:41 pm] joeytsa  : jsn: i also find 10cent stop to be much too tight the higher the stock is in price
[12:41 pm] joeytsa  : or if any priced stock makes candles more than 10cents in size
[12:42 pm] Ed : thats why i like playn support/res levels it gives u good r/r based on price of stock
[12:42 pm] joeytsa  : yep
[12:42 pm] Ed : be it $1 or 700
[12:42 pm] joeytsa  : and sometimes it also depends on your price target
[12:42 pm] apple  : agree
[12:43 pm] joeytsa  : if you expect a $4 move like AAPL,  you cant have a 10cent stop
[12:43 pm] apple  : uh, no
[12:43 pm] Ed : i shoot for the moon or starts, wait which is farthest
[12:43 pm] joeytsa  : you can, but you will probably get hit
[12:43 pm] jsn13  : my 10 cent stop argument is based on ken's context of him  trading stocks with price between 20-70 bucks...
[12:44 pm] jsn13  : but still sometimes u will still be stopped out with thta 10-15cents stops bcos of the fluctuations...
[12:44 pm] jsn13  : he said it's dump to have 20 cents stops or more....
[12:44 pm] joeytsa  : i dont like that at entry, but if the trade is in profits, nothing wrong with protecting it
[12:45 pm] apple  : i would think with a 10 cent you would probably get stopped out a lot
[12:45 pm] jsn13  : and thats for entry...
[12:45 pm] jsn13  : ya but he said 1% stop is just too wide....all the PROS dont do like that...
[12:45 pm] jsn13  : im not sure how he money then...
[12:46 pm] joeytsa  : also, as your daily profits grow, you can give yourself a bit more leeway
[12:46 pm] jsn13  : *makes money
[12:46 pm] jsn13  : but he said it is not profesional...
[12:46 pm] joeytsa  : ES back over 1380
[12:47 pm] jsn13  : so im not sure how im going to practice his strategy...
[12:47 pm] jsn13  : not sure if i have misunderstood his message....
[12:47 pm] Ed : u have to adapt or want to adapt things to fit you
[12:47 pm] joeytsa  : i just look at his patterns
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : good point Ed
[12:48 pm] apple  : right E
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : again, with his small share size, he could use a wider stop..but he has his own style
[12:48 pm] jsn13  : i do that...just not sure how he can make money with that tight stops....
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : who cares how he makes money
[12:49 pm] Ed : hard to be exactly like another trader, u never know fullness of whats in another traders mind
[12:49 pm] apple  : follow the pattern jsn, not the stops... do your own thing
[12:49 pm] Ed : dont worry how he makes money, just like joey never worries how I make money, it wil drive u crazy
[12:50 pm] Ed : just saying
[12:50 pm] joeytsa  : i worry abotu you Ed  :)
[12:50 pm] jsn13  : no worry i was just curious....
[12:50 pm] joeytsa  : pizza delivery can be dangerous in the hood  haha
[12:50 pm] Ed : HOw will it help ur trading
[12:50 pm] qwert  : we all want to be like you Ed
[12:50 pm] Ed : cool
[12:51 pm] jsn13  : maybe he has a way to have smaller losses....who knows....maybe i did not fully understand his method....
[12:51 pm] Ed : see the other thing with ken, that many forget is that he puts on a ton of pilot trades
[12:51 pm] joeytsa  : higher lows, lower highs, dbl tops and bottoms etc..find patterns that make sense to you
[12:51 pm] joeytsa  : yeah, a lot of them
[12:52 pm] joeytsa  : my guess is he adds to the winners and cuts the losers/stagnent ones quick
[12:52 pm] jsn13  : im good with my style...i know exactly what i want.....just that i attened his coruse and not sure how i can benefit from there....
[12:52 pm] jsn13  : so since most of u took his course i wanna check if i got the wrong message...
[12:52 pm] Ed : so on that  say $1500 position he will stop it if it goes to $1495
[12:53 pm] jsn13  : u know im too slow in learning....i asked the same questions like 10 times....
[12:53 pm] Ed : but if it increase to $1515 he will add
[12:53 pm] jsn13  : ya i got his idea...add on strength....
[12:53 pm] Ed : thats the math on $30 stock of 50 shares
[12:54 pm] jsn13  : thank u all for advices....
[12:54 pm] joeytsa  : to me that works better on swings, than quick scalps like we get here..25cent moves, 40cent moves etc
[12:54 pm] jsn13  : i like learning from successful traders, cos u guys have proven successful recipe for trading....
[12:55 pm] Ed : but what u do jsn, is the things u here u may like from say 2 good traders, apply it in sim, tweek se what works, what does not, and after a while u have ur own style
[12:55 pm] joeytsa  : to me it always goes back to "where is my profit target"
[12:55 pm] Ed : here=hear
[12:56 pm] joeytsa  : Thanks Mitch,Ed, everyone..hope you all have a great weekend
[12:56 pm] Ed : c ya joey
[12:56 pm] jsn13  : ya understand ed....thank u for ur advices....
[12:56 pm] taco  : c ya joey
[12:56 pm] jsn13  : bye joey....
[12:56 pm] Ed : and write it down, as u try new things, u dont want to forget
[12:57 pm] joeytsa  : good advice Ed, otherwise you walk back and forth over teh same path
[12:57 pm] qwert  : bye joey have a great weekend
[12:57 pm] jsn13  : ya i have a journal.... it helped me alot...
[12:57 pm] Ed : I speaky from experience
[12:57 pm] qwert  : bye everybody cya all next week
[12:57 pm] jsn13  : that trading plan is really effective...
[12:58 pm] taco  : thanks d, Mitch and ell c you monday
[12:58 pm] taco  : Ed
[12:58 pm] jsn13  : thank u guys for the calls and advices....
[12:59 pm] reshef  : Have a nice weekend
[12:59 pm] shark  : http://ireader.olivesoftware.com/Olive/iReade r/IBDD25/SharedArticle.ashx?document=iIBD%5C2 012%5C11%5C07&article=Ar00400
[01: 00 pm] shark  : article on 3D printers
[01:00 pm] shark  : the new technology
[01:00 pm] shark  : becoming very efficient and quick
[01:00 pm] shark  : you can order parts over the internet, and they will send blue print to your 3d printer to print it out
[01:01 pm] apple  : all have a wonderful weekend.  thx everyone, MK and E
[01:01 pm] shark  : bye apple

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