Chat Highlights From 11/03/2011

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[06:05 am] Mitch : My guess is we get good trading today both directions with a slight bias toward shorting the tops.
[06:05 am] Mitch : This morning jobless claims are down, labor costs down and productivity up 3.1% so the pre-market futures are up 142 Dow30 points so far after being sharply down last night on the worries that Greece could default and exit the Euro.
[06:14 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:14 am] Kris : HGSI, CECO, FWLT, ANR and RLD as possible shorts.
[06:14 am] Kris : Today I'm watching CEG, CVBF, NLC, FIO, MELI, QCOM, DNDN and ANF as possible longs
[06:15 am] Kris : Experts and Maniacs only
[06:15 am] Mitch : tomorrow Groupon IPO trades and has small float so volatility will be high. Please, Please, only expert traders work with an IPO on opening day.
[06:16 am] Kris : yes candelas, I'm talking to you
[06:16 am] Mitch : I don't expect Groupon to be an easy trade but there is only one way I like to trade them. Let them peak, watch for the first BIG BIG drop and then watch for a bottom with an extra small long position
[06:17 am] Mitch : if no BIG drop, then Mitch doesn't buy and only on the FIRST big drop, write this down
[06:21 am] Brent : good morning
[06:21 am] Mitch : by the way, on that Groupon deal.... AMZN and GOOG been sending me similar deals via email. compelling version of Groupon's business. Others stepping in this business. They are also not proven this business model profitably and have a young CEO founder who has an attitude
[06:22 am] Mitch : big egos often result in big failures
[06:23 am] Mitch : I wonder if I can make my last comment a fortune cookie saying
[06:28 am] Kris : 2 minutes, time to rock!
[06:32 am] Kris : RIG long half
[06:33 am] Kris : AIG long half
[06:34 am] Kris : watching NFLX for a long
[06:34 am] Mitch : MDVN should give multiple trades today both ways
[06:34 am] Mitch : watching for short in VRX top
[06:35 am] Mitch : AMGN toppy, watching for short
[06:35 am] Mitch : watching CE for top to short
[06:36 am] Kris : PPL long half
[06:36 am] Mitch : CVI shortable here
[06:37 am] Kris : OPEN long half
[06:37 am] Mitch : consider covering short on VRX at least half
[06:37 am] Mitch : watching for short in MELI, spiking on earnings, from 63 to 83
[06:39 am] Kris : RIG long second half
[06:40 am] Kris : still watching NFLX for a long
[06:41 am] Kris : CCJ buyout rumors
[06:41 am] Mitch : consider covering remaining short on VRX, then look for 2nd helping short later
[06:41 am] Mitch : MELI too strong for short, cancel
[06:42 am] Brent : watching RL for a bounce
[06:43 am] Mitch : EL shortable[06:45 am] Kris : NFLX long half position
[06:48 am] Kris : watching GMCR for a short
[06:49 am] Brent : watching LBTYA for a short
[06:50 am] Mitch : we missed the CLGX short but monitor for 2nd helping sometime later
[06:51 am] Mitch : AMGN getting close to covering for half of short
[06:51 am] Mitch : CE getting close to covering half or more of short
[06:51 am] Mitch : watching for bottom in MCP to buy
[06:52 am] Kris : NFLX long second half
[06:52 am] Mitch : MDVN bouncing
[06:53 am] Kris : TSLA strong
[06:53 am] Kris : watching TNA for a long
[06:53 am] Mitch : cover remaining CE short position
[06:54 am] Kris : SPy coming into support area
[06:54 am] Kris : watching DNDN for a long
[06:55 am] Kris : out half NFLX long
[06:55 am] Mitch : lower low on CVI but needs more drop to hold short
[06:55 am] Mitch : watch DNDN for long, getting interesting
[06:55 am] Mitch : watching CBS for bottom
[06:55 am] Mitch : watching TSLA for short soon
[06:56 am] Mitch : watching TDC for bottom to buy
[06:57 am] Mitch : please don't load the boat on DNDN long, might sink boat
[06:58 am] Brent : watching JEF for a bounce
[07:00 am] Brent : consider reducing LBTYA
[07:00 am] Mitch : consider covering AMGN
[07:00 am] Mitch : JEF halted
[07:01 am] Mitch : JEF halt code M, price change of 10% within 5 min
[07:02 am] Mitch : I want to give you guys a short lesson later on some things I saw today, might help you. let's start at 1130 eastern
[07:03 am] Mitch : new low of day on indexes
[07:04 am] Kris : SPY getting increasing volume and accelerating price move
[07:04 am] Mitch : JEF resumed trading
[07:04 am] Mitch : ok good place to cover AMGN short here
[07:05 am] Mitch : JEF resumed trading TDC accelerating, changing chart to 2 min
[07:06 am] Kris : out another 1/4 NFLX long
[07:06 am] Mitch : consider covering EL short here
[07:07 am] Brent : watching MGA for a bounce
[07:07 am] Kris : TNA long half
[07:07 am] Mitch : monitor EL for 2nd short later
[07:07 am] Mitch : monitor EL for 2nd short later don't be buying JEF now, way too late
[07:07 am] Mitch : the TDC class V pattern, JEF classic V pattern chart for long as well,
[07:09 am] Mitch : somewhere around 116.50 for 2nd helping on EL
[07:10 am] Kris : out all NFLX long
[07:11 am] Kris : out half TNA long
[07:12 am] Kris : out another 1/4 TNA long
[07:12 am] Mitch : I'm sorry, forgot to follow through with the MCP long, anyone go long? consider selling here 38.40 area
[07:13 am] Mitch : aggressive traders consider shorting top o fTDC bounce here
[07:13 am] Mitch : TDC early sell signal, consider selling TDC long
[07:14 am] Brent : if anyone is long, consider reducing
[07:14 am] Brent : JEF resumed
[07:14 am] Kris : PPO long half
[07:14 am] Mitch : hold off on TDC short, really lower volume now
[07:15 am] Kris : out all TNA long
[07:15 am] Mitch : be patient with EL on 2nd helping short, she is a girl
[07:15 am] Mitch : monitor CCJ for short ; consider selling 1/3 if long
[07:16 am] Brent : consider reducing MGA
[07:16 am] Mitch : JEF shortable soon
[07:16 am] Mitch : ok thanks guys, my projector freezes a lot
[07:17 am] Mitch : JEF toppy
[07:18 am] Brent : next target 33.70 area on MGA
[07:18 am] Kris : out half PPO long
[07:18 am] Mitch : 50 cents in JEF is 4.5% profit, use limit orders, too late to short here
[07:19 am] Brent : trail last piece of MGA with your stop if still long
[07:19 am] Mitch : see if we can get under $11 to cover JEF short
[07:20 am] Kris : out another 1/4 PPO long
[07:21 am] Kris : TSLA consolidating under hod, look for a breakout to new highs
[07:21 am] Mitch : headlines on JEF saying exposure to Europe debt practically negligible"
[07:22 am] Kris : watching SNI for a long
[07:22 am] Mitch : can't remember if i posted CTXS long but watching for short now
[07:23 am] Kris : I exited to early on NFLX, if anyone still long coming into hod resistance
[07:23 am] Mitch : watching HGSI for short on top of this bounce, same with CCJ
[07:24 am] Mitch : if JEF doesn't go below $11, consider covering
[07:24 am] Mitch : sorry guys missed the 2nd top in EL for you
[07:24 am] Mitch : watching SNMI drop, take your time on this one watch if JEF goes below $11
[07:24 am] Mitch : watching SNMI drop, take your time on this one
[07:25 am] Mitch : general downtrend with MDVN, decent for smaller short position
[07:26 am] Kris : out all PPO long
[07:26 am] Mitch : if anyone shorted EL again, you want to see if new low below 11.57. if so, then hold short longer
[07:27 am] Mitch : if you went long SNI, consider reducing
[07:28 am] Mitch : Repeat: MDVN worth smaller short for trending down, came from $17 to 40 TODAY! on a positive FDA trial
[07:28 am] Mitch : that's a drug trial, not criminal trial, lol[07:32 am] Mitch : SNI probably returns to downtrend nothing left in SNI
[07:33 am] Mitch : correction: nothing left in JEF
[07:35 am] Mitch : still like MDVN downtrend short idea
[07:35 am] Mitch : still watching CCJ for top to short,
[07:36 am] Mitch : anyone get that MCP long and then short?
[07:36 am] Mitch : CE decent short idea soon
[07:36 am] Mitch : MGA shortable[07:38 am] Mitch : you guys see gray?
[07:39 am] Mitch : anyone short MGA now?
[07:39 am] Mitch : watching PANL now
[07:40 am] Mitch : forget SNI short idea,
[07:41 am] Mitch : if anyone shorted the bounce in VRX, consider covering here
[07:50 am] Mitch : nice quickie long in PANL, good action trading today
[07:51 am] Mitch : watching MCP for short
[07:53 am] Mitch : watching TS for short
[07:54 am] Mitch : the MCP trade was a quickie short consider covering now 38.40 here
[08:09 am] Brent : watching VCLK for a bounce, support at 16.05 area
[08:10 am] Mitch : sure nice trades in MCP today. fast
[08:20 am] Brent : consider reducing VCLK
[08:20 am] Brent : next target 16.70 area on VCLK
[08:21 am] Mitch : I'm running late on the lesson, starting at 12 noon eastern
[08:37 am] Kris : MAR buyout rumor
[08:46 am] Brent : see if SPY can bounce off support here
[08:53 am] Kris : SHW long half
[08:54 am] Brent : reduce more VCLK if still long, trail last piece with trailing stop
[09:56 am] Kris : drop in the bucket
[09:56 am] Kris : out half SHW long
[10:43 am] Brent : XEC and MUR both nice guys.
[10:49 am] Kris : no short for me in OPEN here, not enough money yet in that move to short the reversal
[10:49 am] Kris : out all SHW long
[12:27 pm] Brent : SPY new hod[12:22 pm] Brent : SPY consolidating under hod[01:00 pm] Brent : Have a good night everyone, see you in the morning.
[01:03 pm] Kris : everyone have a good night. see you in the morning.
[01:02 pm] Mitch : was this a good day or what?
[01:02 pm] Kris : yeah, I was watching it all day candelas
[06:10 am] taco : ANF
[06:11 am] candelas : MDVN up 133%
[06:16 am] candelas : I'm in the maniac catgry[06:22 am] shark : WAY TOO MANY GROUPON Competitors! I agree, Mitch
[06:23 am] shark : nothing really proprietary
[06:26 am] mikewd2 -: CNBC spending a lot of time on QCOM this morning
[06:30 am] shark : FIO -up 16%
[06:35 am] shark : lot of pops, fading quickly
[06:41 am] apple : +2 on VRX - thx MK
[06:42 am] electrader : s VRX 43.06 cover 1/2 42.28 cover last half 42.05
[06:42 am] apple : good job electrader[06:45 am] michael : BIDU
[06:47 am] shark : FIO possible bottom, turn up!
[06:48 am] mikewd2 -: good call on EL, Mitch - i missed
[06:48 am] shark : awesome call, Mitch!
[06:49 am] apple : thx for FIO shark
[06:50 am] taco : thx for EL
[06:50 am] shark : SPY -DIA lod[06:50 am] apple : +2.40 on EL, thx MK
[06:51 am] go4it : EL YES!
[06:53 am] shark : consider FIO buyable again here if it holds lod[06:56 am] mhaus : AIG stopped out
[06:58 am] skydiver : EL just broke MA 20 on 2 minute chart
[06:58 am] skydiver : still holding onto it
[06:58 am] rusty : JEF alert
[06:59 am] rusty : JEF halted
[06:59 am] apple : thx rusty
[06:59 am] steele : EL sinking well Mitch. Nice call
[07:00 am] mhaus : LUK
[07:00 am] chinhngo : thanks for call el
[07:00 am] skydiver : moving stop down on EL
[07:00 am] shark : JEF -Jefferies Group confirms it has no meaningful exposure to the sovereign debt of the nations of Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain
[07:00 am] Mitch : rusty, what kind of halt for JEF imbalance?
[07:01 am] shark : maybe 20% drop
[07:01 am] mhaus : MOS rumor
[07:01 am] Kris : circuit breaker
[07:01 am] shark : has to cool down
[07:01 am] shark : that's the phrase, thx Kris
[07:01 am] skydiver : out 1/2 EL
[07:01 am] lightning : JEF: Individual Security Volatility Trading PauseTrading has been paused in an Exchange-Listed issue (Market Category Code = C) that experiences a price change of 10% or more within a rolling 5 minute period of time.
[07:03 am] irvinglee : LUK
[07:04 am] ronfrac : fst dropping sht 14.81 out half 14.66
[07:04 am] skydiver : Amazing - EL still dropping
[07:05 am] rusty : JEF open
[07:05 am] ronfrac : out all fst[07:05 am] ronfrac : dji near negative
[07:06 am] skydiver : stopped out of EL
[07:07 am] skydiver : S EL 118.83 - covered 113.10 - Great call Mitch
[07:08 am] ronfrac : long FST 14.40
[07:08 am] Mitch : thanks for LUK irving, pretty good idea, too late but good
[07:09 am] Mitch : was good when you posted i mean but too late now
[07:09 am] rusty : JEF halted
[07:09 am] ronfrac : YOKU bottoming
[07:09 am] neuronx : APKT
[07:11 am] steele : Mitch, EL turning over?
[07:12 am] mhaus : ANF
[07:15 am] rusty : JEF raises MDVN price target to 62
[07:16 am] skydiver : Watching EL -
[07:16 am] chinhngo : what price to short el?
[07:17 am] Mitch : chin, it isn't exactly a price to buy or sell but what the indicators say,
[07:18 am] candelas : u guys rock
[07:19 am] apple : they do, they really do...
[07:20 am] skydiver : agreed!
[07:20 am] mikewd2 -: Jefferies exposure to PIIGS in 10's of millions, almost nothing
[07:22 am] shark : DNDN getting more interesting
[07:22 am] candelas : sni[07:23 am] apple : still in NFLX, thx K
[07:24 am] apple : I got it, MK
[07:25 am] rusty : UBS out positive on DVA
[07:25 am] taco : nice 2nd on EL thx again
[07:30 am] apple : another +2.40 on EL
[07:30 am] mhaus : CCC
[07:30 am] mikewd2 -: nat gas inventories up 78BCF
[07:31 am] rusty : x
[07:31 am] mikewd2 -: RIG
[07:31 am] steele : Mitch, EL 3rd helping possible?
[07:32 am] ronfrac : out all fst in 14.40 out 14.56-14.67
[07:34 am] lightning : watching MDR for possible short
[07:35 am] Mitch : i don't care for EL now steele, a 3rd helping is smaller. It is like a ball that is dropped and biggest drop has biggest rebound and the oscillations (bounces) get smaller and smaller
[07:35 am] candelas : and it becomes too obvious
[07:35 am] steele : Thx Mitch
[07:36 am] apple : reverb
[07:37 am] apple : missed it
[07:37 am] Mitch : CCC too low of volume mhaus[07:37 am] pow : aro[07:38 am] mhaus : thx
[07:38 am] apple : white
[07:38 am] skydiver : white here too
[07:38 am] mikewd2 -: white
[07:38 am] skydiver : now grey
[07:38 am] apple : gray
[07:39 am] mhaus : PANL
[07:39 am] mikewd2 -: gray now with no applications shared
[07:39 am] monster : kris, still in rig? if not, do you like it down here
[07:40 am] steele : Yes I shorted MGA 33.91
[07:40 am] bopp : Could CECO be at it's bottom?
[07:40 am] neuronx : MGA 33.9
[07:40 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch i went long on MGA at 33.86
[07:42 am] skydiver : Greek referendum has been scrapped
[07:43 am] skydiver : L PANL 41.53
[07:44 am] mikewd2 -: out MGA long 34.24
[07:44 am] rusty : GREEK BAILOUT REFERENDUM SCRAPPED
[07:47 am] lightning : watching SCHW for possible short
[07:48 am] skydiver : all out of PANL
[07:48 am] rusty : MA and V radar
[07:48 am] rusty : unconfirmed downgrade by Meredith Whitney
[08:01 am] skydiver : Thanks to all for great input today. Thanks Mitch, Kris and Brent. Have to take off. Have a great day!
[08:03 am] dmitry : watching RIG for a bounce
[08:03 am] ronfrac : short FST 15.02
[08:05 am] richard : watching RIG
[08:07 am] rusty : AKAM radar
[08:07 am] pow : TZA
[08:12 am] candelas : nflx was classic breakout
[08:13 am] rusty : NFLX hod[08:13 am] rusty : moving up fast
[08:13 am] candelas : keep an eye for climax
[08:14 am] lightning : my favorite anti-Occupy Oakland sign: "Occupy Your Parents' Basement"
[08:15 am] monster : apl[08:15 am] dmitry : RIG working nicely
[08:16 am] rusty : http://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2011/11/ 03/netflix-ceo-hit-pause-on-your-stock-sellin g/
[08:16 am] rusty : NFLX out earlier....fwiw[08:17 am] rusty : TZOO moving up
[08:18 am] richard : RIG close
[08:18 am] ronfrac : Mitch: Target on NFLX long second time around. @84.38
[08:21 am] apple : anytime MK is good, thx
[08:25 am] shark : SPY -DIA retesting hod[08:31 am] scalpman : I made some trades...I couldn't post..but am 5/6...thanks for RIG from Richard...
[08:32 am] ronfrac : out nflx 86.57 short 86.41
[08:32 am] trvlntrdr : EL going up fast
[08:33 am] apple : el
[08:35 am] joeytsa : EL announced a split
[08:35 am] ronfrac : covered nflx .35 loss
[08:35 am] shark : WOW! a split...
[08:40 am] ronfrac : nflx long 87.01
[08:41 am] lightning : watching GMCR for possible short
[08:45 am] scalpman : Out 1/2 TS
[08:46 am] rusty : CECO starting to get interesting....for possible swing
[08:46 am] rusty : radar
[08:46 am] rusty : worth looking at eod[08:48 am] apple : thx rusty
[08:48 am] dmitry : is LPS shortable here?
[08:49 am] scalpman : OUt another 1/5 TS S
[08:49 am] dmitry : is LPS shortable here?
[08:49 am] shark : too thin dmitry[08:49 am] apple : looks like a 3 min. fade, dmitry, no volume tho[08:49 am] mh : vhc moving
[08:50 am] dmitry : is LPS shortable here?
[08:51 am] Kris : no
[08:51 am] Kris : LPS is not a good short
[08:51 am] scalpman : All out TS
[08:56 am] lightning : MDVN approaching LOD
[08:56 am] jsn13 : LAMR looks good as a swing short?
[08:57 am] Kris : no jsn13, not a good setup for a swing short
[08:58 am] scalpman : LPS dropping
[08:58 am] Kris : lol[08:58 am] Kris : not really dropping
[08:58 am] Kris : ticking down
[08:59 am] jsn13 : why so? but the increasing volume for 15 minutes and hourly chart has increasing volume and price movements right? and it seems like it has peaked put at 8.40
[08:59 am] scalpman : correct...going down....
[08:59 am] Kris : our price is 25.00 on LAMR
[08:59 am] scalpman : I was late to see.
[09:00 am] Kris : we have strong support at 24.00
[09:00 am] Kris : and stronger support at 23.20 to 23.00
[09:00 am] Kris : you're gonna have another wave up soon that could retest the highs so even if you enter at this time you're gonna take some heat
[09:00 am] scalpman : yes
[09:00 am] trvlntrdr : y
[09:00 am] apple : yes
[09:00 am] Brent : yes
[09:00 am] taco : ya[09:00 am] candelas : yes
[09:00 am] dmitry : yes
[09:00 am] Kris : it's a breakout on the daily chart
[09:01 am] Kris : look at the daily momentum
[09:01 am] Kris : go ahead mitch, I'm done
[09:01 am] jsn13 : Ok i see ur point....Thanks Kris....
[09:07 am] mhaus : watching PANL
[09:08 am] mhaus : watching IACI
[09:08 am] apple : MK your post was at 7:32
[09:09 am] apple : and at 7:40
[09:13 am] jsn13 : Why won't u cover at 6.52 at around 116ish? it looks like it's bouncing...
[09:15 am] lightning : VVUS spike
[09:18 am] dan : MKing, stochastic is a bouncing indicator which is from 0-100
[09:18 am] lightning : no worries. thanks for the point
[09:19 am] rusty : VVUS news
[09:19 am] rusty : FDA accepts NDA for Qnexa[09:20 am] shark : TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!
[09:20 am] apple : congrats, MK!
[09:21 am] steele : Mitch, this kind of volatility can find only in first 90 min, right?
[09:21 am] shark : YES
[09:21 am] apple : yes
[09:21 am] candelas : yes
[09:21 am] shark : Excellent!
[09:21 am] rusty : x
[09:21 am] jsn13 : Fantastic
[09:21 am] taco : way better than yest[09:21 am] pirate : yes
[09:21 am] electrader : yes
[09:21 am] qwert : very good
[09:22 am] justin : excellent calls
[09:22 am] jsn13 : JEF is juz fantastic
[09:30 am] shark : YES
[09:31 am] rusty : Float on GRPN supposedly real small too
[09:31 am] shark : he should have sold to GOOG for $6B
[09:32 am] shark : 5 million float
[09:32 am] shark : 5% of total -correction
[09:32 am] apple : rusty, is that the correct symbol?
[09:32 am] rusty : http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-01/g roupon-propped-up-with-lowest-internet-float- in-a-decade.html
[09:32 am] shark : 19-21 today
[09:32 am] shark : on CNBC this morning
[09:33 am] apple : will be interesting to watch
[09:34 am] rusty : “What Groupon is doing is way outside what should be acceptable,” said Josef Schuster, founder of Chicago-based IPOX Schuster LLC, who oversees $2.5 billion and is weighing whether to order the stock. “They're using a low float to keep up the valuation, but it's really outside what you historically have had in U.S. IPOs.”
[09:34 am] shark : WHO WILL HAVE SHARES TO SHORT?
[09:34 am] jolliffboy : Thanks apple.
[09:34 am] shark : ok
[09:36 am] apple : yes, very much, thx MK
[09:36 am] rusty : Thanks Mitch
[09:36 am] rusty : good stuff
[09:36 am] taco : Awesome thx
[09:36 am] observer : Thx for all inf, Mitch. Good stuff.
[09:36 am] ben4givn : thx
[09:36 am] shark : Thank you, Mitch!!!
[09:36 am] qwert : thanks mk[09:36 am] steele : Thx Mitch
[09:37 am] badboy : thanks mk[09:37 am] rusty : cha ching[09:37 am] shark : hahaha[09:37 am] apple : cha ching...
[09:37 am] hobart : Thank you very much Mitch
[09:39 am] qwert : anf near lod[09:39 am] vision : thanks a lot Mitch
[09:44 am] michael : personally shawnt4 I would suggest starting with breakouts/breakdowns, they're easy to see and focus on and usually very successful
[09:45 am] apple : shawn - just pay attention, papertrade, and trade what you see. It takes some time, but you will see you do know what you are doing. Be patient.
[09:45 am] Mitch : it takes a lot of study shawn, and you have to have more realistic expectations about your progress. i personally have observed that there is a big breakthrough at the 18 month point in someone's learning curve
[09:45 am] Mitch : you have to stop trading real money shawn, or anyone losing money, stop trading and go to a simulator. you should do that anyway
[09:45 am] apple : I agree MK
[09:46 am] Mitch : and invest even 90 days on that and you practice and build good habit s and confidence.
[09:46 am] Mitch : ask Kris, when he came off of simulator he was ready, day 1 was a slight loss but from them on, he was solid
[09:46 am] taco : I'm a virtual trader at ninja
[09:46 am] apple : shawn - we have all been through this
[09:46 am] Mitch : yeah Ninja is probably best one
[09:46 am] taco : i lost money before
[09:47 am] Mitch : also shawn, don't beat yourself up anymore, just get to work on the studying, review charts,
[09:47 am] taco : now I'm listening a lot
[09:47 am] rusty : Greece Confirms Won't Hold Bailout Referendum
[09:47 am] apple : and shawn, you can do this - MK said so - we all can learn this!!!
[09:48 am] Mitch : ok that pop in the indexes last 6 minutes must be from that no referendum rusty?
[09:48 am] Kris : I guess the greeks are back from their mandatory vacation day yesterday
[09:48 am] ben4givn : ecb rate cut
[09:49 am] shawnt4 : I set my charts up on Scottrade just like you said. what time periods do i use
[09:49 am] Kris : do you want to be a successful day trader shawn?
[09:49 am] shawnt4 : yes. it is the only thing that i have not been successful in
[09:50 am] Kris : first step, get off of scottrade[09:50 am] Kris : doesn't matter what version
[09:50 am] Kris : Super Eliter Mega Trader Beta Whatever 3.2
[09:50 am] Kris : close that down and get a real platform that is for day trading
[09:50 am] shawnt4 : scottrade is that bad
[09:51 am] Kris : yes
[09:51 am] Kris : it's not the best or one of the best
[09:51 am] Kris : that's what you want
[09:51 am] apple : for day trading you need a daytrading platform shawn[09:51 am] storage : what is the best kris?
[09:52 am] Kris : in the lower right hand corner of this room
[09:52 am] Kris : there is a documents tab
[09:52 am] Kris : inside there is a recommended brokers/platform document
[09:53 am] Kris : here is what you want for day trading....
[09:53 am] Kris : 1. Fast
[09:53 am] Kris : 2. Cheap
[09:53 am] Kris : 3. Good Short Inventory
[09:53 am] Kris : 4. Tools
[09:54 am] victor51 : How is Tradestation's platform
[09:54 am] Kris : one of the best
[09:54 am] victor51 : I need to learn a lot
[09:55 am] snowcat : anyone use lightspeed-and how is it for short inventory?
[09:55 am] steele : I have problems with Ninja linked with IB data. Slow and many error messages. Any idea?
[09:56 am] trvlntrdr : steele, I would talk to NT support
[09:56 am] trvlntrdr : they are very responsive and familiar w/ IB
[09:57 am] lightning : we're coming close to the DJI at 12,000 -- 14 points away
[09:58 am] steele : Yes I talked to NT but problems still remain. I am thinking to use Kinetic instead
[09:58 am] Kris : use kinetic
[09:58 am] Kris : you can use 2 data services at the same time steele[09:58 am] shark : it's the only way, apple
[09:58 am] apple : right.
[09:59 am] trvlntrdr : yes I converted to kinetic on Kris advice, the data is faster in the am
[09:59 am] trvlntrdr : plus you have a back up
[09:59 am] trvlntrdr : Ib has restrictions on data flow, for instance to fill the market analyzer
[09:59 am] steele : Tnx. I need to know about ATM strategies too.
[10:00 am] neuronx : Kris kinetic is data feed for chart ?
[10:00 am] Kris : yes neuronx[10:00 am] Kris : fast data, especially the first hour of the market
[10:00 am] neuronx : esignal is much slower ?
[10:01 am] Kris : no, esignal is good on their own charting
[10:01 am] neuronx : I got esignal premier
[10:01 am] Kris : but if you try to connect esignal data to ninja it is slower than using esignal[10:01 am] neuronx : I see
[10:01 am] Brent : plus you can't use Ninja 64 bit when connecting to Esignal[10:01 am] neuronx : tks[10:04 am] kittel1 : symbol for Groupon he just talked about?
[10:04 am] rusty : GRPN
[10:05 am] rusty : GSVC worth putting on radar tomorrow
[10:05 am] rusty : low float GRPN sympathy play
[10:05 am] kittel1 : but my platform does nor recognize GPRN
[10:05 am] rusty : GRPN doesn't IPO until tomorrow
[10:05 am] Mitch : it's not open yet kittel1, scheduled for tomorrow on Friday
[10:05 am] apple : because it's not out yet
[10:08 am] kittel1 : GSVC we look for long or short?
[10:09 am] candelas : EVEP needs more vol[10:13 am] rusty : GSVC not for the faint of heart.... I am looking for a run up hopefully in order to short it
[10:13 am] rusty : it's very low float and not for beginners
[10:14 am] rusty : not sure it's even good for advanced traders
[10:14 am] rusty : low float stocks can kill long and short
[10:16 am] rusty : Dow 12K
[10:18 am] rusty : RTK another one to watch
[10:19 am] rusty : as sort of a Mitch-type bullshort[10:23 am] rusty : XEC radar
[10:23 am] rusty : moving down a bit fast
[10:28 am] rusty : CECO lod[10:30 am] mhaus : XEC
[10:36 am] Mitch : by the way, to answer anyone's question about a list of stocks ranked by beta. you can do that in many databases, i use Worden TElechart and sort by Beta every once in a while to see what are the biggest movers
[10:36 am] irvinglee : MUR
[10:36 am] lightning : MUR dropping
[10:36 am] Kris : you can do it in finviz and export the file to use in your trading platform as a watch list
[10:42 am] qwert : nice call on mur just missed entry
[10:43 am] lightning : yep, me too qwert. Just watching it.
[10:43 am] go4it : wow open breakout!
[10:44 am] qwert : kris or brent is there a way to sort by beta in finviz[10:45 am] Brent : yes there is a field for that
[10:46 am] Kris : under all filters, first column on the left at the bottom I think dave[10:46 am] qwert : i found the field and set it for over 3 but then they just come up in alphabetical order
[10:46 am] Kris : export and then sort
[10:46 am] qwert : was hoping for highest to lowest
[10:46 am] Kris : for the highest beta
[10:47 am] qwert : i don't see where it says what the actual beta is
[10:48 am] Kris : go to custom tab
[10:48 am] Kris : check the beta box
[10:48 am] Kris : to display beta in the table
[10:48 am] qwert : sweet thanks kris[10:48 am] go4it : Kris is there a short in OPEN?
[10:49 am] chinhngo : el hod[10:49 am] chinhngo : iwm hod[10:50 am] chinhngo : vxx lod[10:50 am] chinhngo : eog hod[10:51 am] chinhngo : i am in big trouble underwater for short
[10:52 am] trvlntrdr : short what chinh?
[10:52 am] zentrader : which position Chinhngo and what is your entry?
[10:53 am] chinhngo : el at 116.0 short
[10:53 am] trvlntrdr : oh no
[10:53 am] chinhngo : eog at 95 short
[10:53 am] chinhngo : sni ai 40.25 short
[10:53 am] trvlntrdr : I shorted EL there too but got out at a loss
[10:54 am] chinhngo : iaci at 39.5 short
[10:54 am] trvlntrdr : EL is strong, I think it will break through 120 before close
[10:54 am] trvlntrdr : I would cover your short when it pulls back to a little below 19 or so
[10:54 am] zentrader : did you set stops?
[10:54 am] chinhngo : el but what is the new forgo up like that?
[10:55 am] trvlntrdr : whatsh the MACD to cover at the bottom
[10:55 am] Kris : EL was up on earnings
[10:55 am] chinhngo : el did break hod and come down
[10:55 am] trvlntrdr : EL is the best perform today in its sector
[10:55 am] trvlntrdr : on a strong day
[10:56 am] trvlntrdr : EL has a lot of time to go back up
[10:56 am] trvlntrdr : and no overhead resistance above 120
[10:56 am] chinhngo : yes i agreed but what is support fundamental for that rally?
[10:56 am] trvlntrdr : don't think act
[10:57 am] trvlntrdr : react I mean
[10:58 am] chinhngo : most analysts said spx 500 top resistant is 1260 and will go down wave 3 of 3 is very strong may be spx 500 go down to 1190
[10:58 am] trvlntrdr : they might be right
[10:58 am] trvlntrdr : but right this minute
[10:58 am] trvlntrdr : and in this stock
[10:58 am] trvlntrdr : that is what matters
[10:59 am] trvlntrdr : I would cover when EL slows the pullback
[10:59 am] trvlntrdr : you are lucky it is violent
[10:59 am] chinhngo : what is price to buy cover el please?
[11:00 am] trvlntrdr : watch 2 min MACD and cover when it flattens
[11:00 am] chinhngo : i have no live chart
[11:00 am] chinhngo : just give me the range
[11:00 am] apple : makes it difficult to trade then
[11:01 am] trvlntrdr : do you watch the tape?
[11:01 am] chinhngo : i know but need to learn el now is 118.74
[11:01 am] trvlntrdr : get on freestock charts .com
[11:01 am] trvlntrdr : I would probably cover soon
[11:02 am] trvlntrdr : it might turn around fast
[11:02 am] Mitch : chinhgo, you don't have live charts?
[11:02 am] Brent : are you trading live chinhgo?
[11:02 am] lightning : MUR new low
[11:02 am] chinhngo : no i have no live chart
[11:02 am] Brent : or papertrading?
[11:02 am] rusty : Whitney defending JEF
[11:02 am] Mitch : don't trade chingo, stop
[11:02 am] apple : now would be good..
[11:03 am] chinhngo : yes live trade just blind or listen your guys
[11:03 am] Mitch : that's like flying at night time in the clouds with no instruments
[11:03 am] trvlntrdr : el on trend line
[11:03 am] apple : right, MK -- pretty scary
[11:03 am] Mitch : no don't do that, give your money to charity instead, at least you can get a deduction
[11:03 am] chinhngo : so buy cover el now at 118.86?
[11:03 am] Mitch : no chingo, no
[11:03 am] irvinglee : thoughts on MUR long again?
[11:03 am] Mitch : stop
[11:03 am] trvlntrdr : mitch he is short
[11:04 am] trvlntrdr : I think it is going to reverse
[11:05 am] trvlntrdr : Chinh I hope you are out other trades
[11:06 am] chinhngo : do you think el will go up again?
[11:06 am] trvlntrdr : yes
[11:07 am] trvlntrdr : I do, fwiw[11:07 am] trvlntrdr : i might be wrong so I have a stop
[11:07 am] chinhngo : thank you very much
[11:07 am] trvlntrdr : still has 2 hours trading left
[11:07 am] trvlntrdr : If you don't have live charts you need to get MK's wizard course and start from scratch
[11:08 am] trvlntrdr : I think we all want to help you that is why we are being honest
[11:08 am] apple : chin, you cannot daytrade without them, you need live charting
[11:08 am] zentrader : I am long MUR at 56.34
[11:09 am] chinhngo : charles schwab have live chart i need to learn how to use it
[11:09 am] lightning : MDVN new high
[11:09 am] apple : read what K posted earlier about charting and platforms...
[11:09 am] mh : me too zentrader 56.4 what's your target
[11:09 am] trvlntrdr : study Mitch's wizard course first
[11:09 am] chinhngo : ok
[11:09 am] rusty : MDVN 87 rsi [11:10 am] trvlntrdr : I agree you need a good charting platform but you need the basics to begin live trading
[11:10 am] zentrader : you need to stop trading and listen to Mitch and get educated via his training courses, etc[11:11 am] chinhngo : thank zentrader will do it
[11:12 am] apple : please, we all want to help you, but you have to put your money where it will benefit you most, wizard course, charting platform for daytraders, and paper or sim trade for at least 90 days.
[11:12 am] trvlntrdr : I would paper trade during the day after you have learned a little more so you can get familiar with the markets pattern and lack o it
[11:12 am] trvlntrdr : I agree with apple
[11:13 am] trvlntrdr : I have been trading almost 3 years (not full time) and still struggle
[11:14 am] trvlntrdr : It takes a lot of time to be consistently profitable, and most people lose money even after they are trained.
[11:14 am] trvlntrdr : and equipped
[11:14 am] apple : true, trv[11:14 am] mh : zentrader i may get out of mur not acting good what do you think
[11:15 am] trvlntrdr : I would recommend put your money in conservative investment until you prove to yourself that you are consistently profitable
[11:16 am] trvlntrdr : on sim trading
[11:16 am] candelas : nflx looks good on 15min
[11:16 am] trvlntrdr : nflx look good all day
[11:17 am] apple : otherwise you will stress yourself out when you don't have to -- love yourself enough to learn how to daytrade and believe me, you will be much happier by doing the right things for yourself and your job trading
[11:18 am] mhaus : TDC
[11:19 am] zentrader : mh - I closed MUR out already, was a quick trade for me I sold at 56.41 and last half at 56.57 - sorry I did not post
[11:19 am] zentrader : I didn't see it acting the way I liked and took my profit
[11:20 am] trvlntrdr : Chinh take advantage of the resources here, and the recommended reading from the moderators.
[11:20 am] trvlntrdr : that will take a while but the market will still be here in a few months
[11:20 am] zentrader : I'll be sure to post my exits whenever I post and entry. Apologies, I was tied up in some other stuff
[11:20 am] apple : mh - if it doesn't act the way you want it to, it's best to get out of the trade with a profit
[11:20 am] mh : nice zentrader i think i will get out at small loss thanks
[11:21 am] candelas : anyone in nflx short
[11:21 am] apple : no, are you?
[11:22 am] zentrader : mh - there is some support here, so you may want to set your stop jsut below 56.00 and see if it bounces
[11:22 am] steele : Yes NFLX short 88.75 sim[11:22 am] zentrader : up to you though
[11:23 am] candelas : yep. out 3/4 already, stop @b/e last 1/4 89.11
[11:23 am] trvlntrdr : chinh, I don't want to make it seem that Mitch's way is the only way because there are lots of techniques, but every successful trader would agree with the basics of having knowledge, a plan, discipline to effect the plan, good equipment, sound money management (stops for instance) and control of emotions
[11:24 am] apple : candelas - you were just waiting for that short on NFLX - good for you!
[11:26 am] candelas : i was, new not to expect whole lot on short though
[11:26 am] candelas : that's why i banked majority on quick drop
[11:26 am] mh : thanks zentrader i set it for 56.88 we'll see what happens thanks
[11:26 am] mh : 55.88
[11:27 am] candelas : missed the xec short
[11:28 am] candelas : that was better bang for money
[11:28 am] apple : oh, yeah...
[11:29 am] candelas : go figure and the chart is up in room
[11:29 am] candelas : duuuh[11:29 am] apple : right in front of our faces....
[11:30 am] candelas : it was saying helloooooo, please short me
[11:30 am] apple : does it get any better than that?
[11:30 am] mh : do you guys use trail stops i seem to get poor results??
[11:30 am] candelas : nope
[11:30 am] apple : no
[11:31 am] candelas : out last 1/4 nflx b/e[11:32 am] steele : Will XEC rebound and go long?
[11:34 am] steele : I am in sim. I found that XEC is short restricted. How come you guys short it?
[11:35 am] lightning : Steele, it depends on who your brokerage firm is...some will may have inventory to short and others may not
[11:36 am] steele : Oh I see. I think all brokerages do the same restriction as IB.
[11:36 am] trvlntrdr : I have found some time s on IB
[11:36 am] trvlntrdr : that it says it is restricted but they are available anyway
[11:37 am] bopp : I'm confused what CECO is doing right now. It seems to be consolidating on an uptrend. Am I right?
[11:38 am] Kris : CECO is rounding off from a continuation day down from yesterday's drop
[11:38 am] Kris : it's starting to put in a longer term bottom
[11:39 am] Kris : it may have one more down day and then could have 1-3 days up if it can build hold support lows
[11:39 am] bopp : I'm in and up right now. Is it a good idea to stay in for a bit more?
[11:41 am] Kris : if you're in day trade size position I would reduce and hold half for higher highs, you only have about an hour left then you have to make a decision about taking it home.
[11:42 am] Kris : you might reduce again and keep a small piece for overnight
[11:42 am] Kris : or close out if you don't want to swing it
[11:42 am] bopp : Thanks. Don't usually keep things overnight unless I get caught out.
[11:42 am] Kris : SPY is consolidating near resistance and if we break that tomorrow we could get another move up.
[11:43 am] Kris : you only swing when you get caught out?
[11:43 am] Kris : I would close out before the end of day
[11:43 am] bopp : Will do. Thanks
[11:44 am] dmitry : BDX alert
[11:44 am] apple : thx MK, B, K and everyone for another great trading day. Everyone have a super evening.
[11:44 am] Kris : BDX alert dmitry?
[11:45 am] Brent : you too apple, see you tomorrow
[11:46 am] dmitry : thinking a bounce play Kris?
[11:46 am] dmitry : on BDX
[11:46 am] Kris : resistance is 72.40
[11:47 am] Kris : not a good long play here
[11:47 am] lightning : new high on MDVN
[11:47 am] dmitry : i see
[11:50 am] zentrader : watching CELG
[11:52 am] zentrader : ignore CELG, not enough money there
[11:52 am] candelas : now u tell me Zentrader[11:54 am] candelas : that's old news, nflx cutting 15 jobs
[11:54 am] candelas : MDVN hod[11:55 am] candelas : hit 42.01 premarket
[11:56 am] mh : candelas do you think it's worth a small short
[11:57 am] zentrader : MDVN is only up 140%
[11:57 am] zentrader : that's weak.
[11:57 am] candelas : this last in day, I would pass
[11:58 am] candelas : this late in day rather
[11:58 am] mh : thanks
[11:59 am] candelas : everything is compelling, but a stock so strong they could ramp it up on u so quick and catch u flat footed
[12:00 pm] mh : boy i have been there before
[12:01 pm] Mitch : you guys know how I can tell EL is a girl?
[12:01 pm] candelas : we all have that's for sure
[12:01 pm] candelas : how?
[12:01 pm] Mitch : Her name, Estee Lauder
[12:02 pm] Mitch : now ladies, that was shawnt4 and he is not on our staff, lol[12:02 pm] trvlntrdr : I think EL does have her mind made up to go higher
[12:03 pm] trvlntrdr : maybe tomorrow tho[12:03 pm] steele : I'm watching MDVN for short. When stochs go down its time to short, correct?
[12:03 pm] trvlntrdr : I figured she would go up to 120 2 more times this pm/ too bad I got out early
[12:04 pm] trvlntrdr : still made some money tho[12:05 pm] candelas : you see it now MH?
[12:05 pm] trvlntrdr : I bet this is a strong stock over the next few weeks
[12:05 pm] trvlntrdr : EL
[12:05 pm] candelas : it would wear you out
[12:06 pm] mh : yep
[12:06 pm] trvlntrdr : EL almost wore me out today but it was fun
[12:07 pm] trvlntrdr : to trade
[12:07 pm] candelas : cool
[12:07 pm] mh : i am so bad i still find myself wanting to short the move i am a joke lol[12:08 pm] candelas : ur not a joke, it's just a matter of becoming more disciplined which is the hardest part
[12:10 pm] jsn13 : Anyone shorted JEF and went long again juz now at 2.15 est?
[12:10 pm] candelas : nope
[12:13 pm] mh : candelas how many trades at a time can you handle seems for me i tend to not put stops in if i am working to many undisplined[12:14 pm] candelas : i am comfortable with 3 at a time
[12:14 pm] jolliffboy : Anybody have any thoughts about futures for DNDN which was on the morning watch list today as a long. It has been up and down like a yo yo today.
[12:14 pm] candelas : I have has as many as 6, but 3 is what's comfortable
[12:15 pm] rusty : CALIFORNIA AG CALLS ON FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC TO REDUCE PRINCIPALS ON MORTGAGES THEY OWN
[12:16 pm] candelas : may be best to focus on 1 at a time as u become more consistent and disciplined
[12:16 pm] steele : I tried to short MDVN but it's too strong. The lesson is never go against the trend.
[12:17 pm] mhaus : Steele, remember Mitch's words - "Trend is your friend"
[12:17 pm] trvlntrdr : thanks for posting XEC, TSA, turned my day to a very nice one!
[12:20 pm] rusty : NFLX hod[12:20 pm] steele : Candelas, in the morning there are many calls from TSA staff. How you pick 3 trades among them?
[12:21 pm] candelas : MH asked how many do i handle at one time
[12:22 pm] rusty : you can filter them out by volume
[12:22 pm] rusty : pick the higher volume trades as a start
[12:23 pm] steele : thx
[12:23 pm] mh : candelas i don't mean to cover you with questions but i am wondering do you but in stops on every trade and if you do how do you do it with scale buys like 1/3 1/3 1/3
[12:23 pm] rusty : another filter = news, earnings or reason for the run
[12:23 pm] rusty : rather than just technical
[12:24 pm] candelas : yes I place stops on every trade, I use an automatic 1% stop and adjust once I am in it, my exits are usually 2, of at 3/4 and last 1/4 will let market strop me out
[12:25 pm] candelas : keep in mind my exit is what works for me
[12:26 pm] steele : Rusty, there is no time to check news, earning etc, in the first 90 min
[12:26 pm] candelas : some may exit in 1/3 or 1/4 or 1/5
[12:27 pm] candelas : I check the news starting at 730est.
[12:27 pm] lightning : SPY at high
[12:27 pm] candelas : dar she goes
[12:27 pm] mh : thanks candelas i need to stop exiting with losses lol[12:28 pm] rusty : if you just want to trade technical's that's fine...but if you follow the earnings news etc a bit....I think it helps your trading
[12:28 pm] rusty : I make a basket of stocks the night before
[12:28 pm] rusty : so I have time to check news before the open
[12:28 pm] candelas : if i don't make list night before, i feel ill prepared
[12:28 pm] rusty : agree
[12:29 pm] rusty : preparation is key
[12:29 pm] candelas : agreed
[12:29 pm] rusty : if you expect to come in and just make $, you will lose
[12:29 pm] rusty : over time
[12:30 pm] trvlntrdr : thanks TSA folks for an exciting and profitable day
[12:32 pm] victor51 : Thanks to all seasoned traders for sharing your knowledge. I am still beginner to Day Trading
[12:32 pm] candelas : that's great Victor, keep up the good work
[12:32 pm] trvlntrdr : I am reading a book recommended here that is helping me already
[12:32 pm] candelas : which one?
[12:32 pm] trvlntrdr : trading in the zone by Douglas
[12:33 pm] candelas : it's a great read
[12:33 pm] trvlntrdr : a lot of folks recommended it
[12:34 pm] trvlntrdr : I was getting frustrated because I generally knew what to do or what would happen with the stock but I wouldnt respond appropriately
[12:34 pm] rusty : Lefevre Remembrances of a Stock Operator
[12:34 pm] trvlntrdr : the book addresses that problem
[12:34 pm] trvlntrdr : I did read lefevres book too
[12:35 pm] trvlntrdr : But I think my fear in the trade was the biggest problem.
[12:35 pm] trvlntrdr : still is but I am recognizing it
[12:35 pm] rusty : see how many times Jesse Livermore went bk[12:35 pm] rusty : despite being the best trader
[12:36 pm] zentrader : SPR got a nice late day run
[12:38 pm] trvlntrdr : well good nite all!
[12:39 pm] Brent : have a good night Trv[12:43 pm] rusty : anyone notice that the market closes at the high or low most of the time?
[12:45 pm] rusty : makes it even more difficult to trade....especially if one likes to trade counter to the trend
[12:45 pm] candelas : NFLX hod[12:45 pm] candelas : it even had nice breakout on 15min
[12:46 pm] michael : when it does close at the high or low the next day usually follows that trend seems like
[12:46 pm] lightning : you can pull up a SPY daily chart and test that hypothesis
[12:48 pm] lightning : TSLA on a nice end of day run here
[12:50 pm] michael : I'm outta here. Taking 14 year old deer hunting in Minnesota so no trading for a week and a half. Wish you all the best and make some Christmas coin, it's around the corner
[12:50 pm] rusty : Papandreou has struck a deal to step down
[12:50 pm] candelas : safe travels michael
[12:50 pm] Brent : have a good time michael, get a biggun[12:51 pm] michael : My priority is getting him one. You're all great, gonna miss ya[12:57 pm] rusty : DJ Two Jefferies Directors Also Bought 1M Shares Of The Company's Stock
[12:59 pm] candelas : Kris don't look at NFLX stock price
[12:59 pm] candelas : oops should not have said anything
[12:59 pm] richard : GN all...ty...see U am
[01:00 pm] lightning : Thanks TSA and everyone. See you tomorrow
[01:00 pm] taco : thanks for the lesson Mitch
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