Chat Highlights From 10/28/2011

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[06:15 am] Brent : good morning
[06:19 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:31 am] Kris : DECK long half
[06:31 am] Kris : KBR short half
[06:32 am] Kris : out half DECK long
[06:32 am] Mitch : watching VRTX for bottom to buy
[06:33 am] Kris : kbr[06:33 am] Kris : out half KBR short
[06:33 am] Mitch : NWL shortable, try 15.45
[06:33 am] Mitch : watching for bottom in CVC
[06:34 am] Kris : MGA short half
[06:34 am] Mitch : monitoring ARBA for short, not in hurry
[06:35 am] Brent : watching VRTX for a bounce
[06:35 am] Kris : AON falling, missed the short
[06:35 am] Kris : CLF short half
[06:35 am] Kris : watching for a long reversal
[06:35 am] Mitch : watching AON for long
[06:36 am] Mitch : LNG shortable[06:38 am] Kris : NIHD short
[06:38 am] Mitch : watching for shorts in SWN, QLIK on top
[06:39 am] Kris : out another 1/4 KBR short
[06:41 am] Kris : out half NIHD short
[06:41 am] Kris : remind me later and I'll answer you shawn. not a time for questions right now.
[06:43 am] Kris : out all KBR short
[06:43 am] Mitch : consider covering QLIK
[06:43 am] Mitch : CVC got a boost from CNBC positive mention by Cramer and David Faber
[06:44 am] Kris : out another 1/4 NIHD short
[06:45 am] Kris : out all NIHD short
[06:45 am] Kris : will wait to short a bounce in CERN
[06:45 am] Mitch : HGSI shortable[06:46 am] Kris : I would prefer one more bounce with a lower high or some consolidation before the break below 90.
[06:46 am] Kris : PRGO short under 90.00
[06:46 am] Mitch : consider covering half of QLIK
[06:46 am] Mitch : consider covering LNG short
[06:47 am] Kris : CERN setting up for a possible quickie long
[06:48 am] Kris : it's dropped enough from the open
[06:48 am] Kris : SPY coming into lod support
[06:49 am] Kris : looking for a new lod in MGA
[06:50 am] Mitch : watching GMCR for short
[06:50 am] Mitch : watching GMCR for short NFLX shortable but be extra careful;
[06:51 am] Mitch : consider covering more QLIK short
[06:51 am] Mitch : last comment was NFLX short idea, not long term short, just quick short scalp, news on NFLX could spike it up big
[06:52 am] Mitch : NFLX stopped, forget that one
[06:55 am] Kris : look for V to pullback or consolidate and then take long on a new hod.
[06:58 am] Kris : CERN long half
[06:58 am] Mitch : watching SODA for short
[06:59 am] Kris : increasing volume and accelerating price
[06:59 am] Kris : watching VAR for a short
[06:59 am] Mitch : let these stop moving up and turn down a little before considering short
[06:59 am] Mitch : watching for tops in VAR, GMCR as possible shorts
[07:02 am] Kris : out all MGA short
[07:02 am] Mitch : starting to watch LVS for top, take your time
[07:03 am] Mitch : watching WYNN for top as well as LVS, WYNN turning over now
[07:04 am] Mitch : SODA not coming down easily, consider closing short
[07:09 am] Mitch : now SODA coming down, lol[07:11 am] Mitch : looking for 2nd helping short on WYNN
[07:12 am] Mitch : new high on WYNN is reason to wait before 2nd helping short on WYNN
[07:13 am] Brent : SPY at trendline resistance
[07:15 am] Mitch : LVS toppy
[07:17 am] Kris : SPY acting weak today so far, start looking for short setups
[07:20 am] Kris : I'll take TZA long over 28.52
[07:20 am] Mitch : lot of stocks spiking
[07:20 am] Mitch : watching for short in FLS
[07:21 am] Mitch : monitoring for 2nd short helping in QLIK
[07:25 am] Kris : V finally starting to move
[07:26 am] Mitch : projector not working again now
[07:28 am] Mitch : WLT turning over
[07:37 am] Brent : SPY at hod[07:39 am] Mitch : most stocks trending up
[07:47 am] Brent : AVGO alert
[07:47 am] Mitch : AVGO should be a good one}
[07:47 am] Mitch : on the long side
[07:55 am] Mitch : weak bounce
[07:56 am] Mitch : AVGO should be stopped
[08:08 am] Mitch : do you see why you should keep watching the ones you stopped on ? emotionally people quit and get upset when they lose but now look at the 3% off the latest bottom.
[08:41 am] Mitch : if anyone went long AVGO or held it through that drop, consider selling here
[08:57 am] Kris : Everyone have a great weekend and I'll see you all Monday morning.
[08:57 am] Kris : ok guys. I'm taking off for the weekend early. Spending it with my son.
[09:13 am] Mitch : CERN trending, like many stocks today after that drop. The pop after drop became an uptrending[09:27 am] Brent : SPY approaching lod[10:17 am] Brent : good one lovlu[10:17 am] Brent : watching VR for a bounce
[11:23 am] Brent : SPY in a tight range today
[12:05 pm] Brent : SPY approaching hod again
[01:00 pm] Brent : Have a great weekend everyone, see you on Monday
[06:13 am] joeytsa : Gap down: CSTR,GTU,WHR,QLIK,INFY
[06:14 am] joeytsa : Gap Up:SOHU,SINA,BIDU,LVS,DECK[06:17 am] derns : Joeytsa...can you briefly describe your strategy in how you may play the gap ups/downs?
[06:20 am] joeytsa : usually i think fade...which kind of lines up with Kris' Egap[06:21 am] joeytsa : but it's not a true Egap per the rules
[06:22 am] joeytsa : actually Kris' rules have actually made me look at gaps differently..in a good way
[06:22 am] joeytsa : my 1st reaction is gap=overreaction
[06:22 am] joeytsa : but now tying it in with indicators and previous days actions
[06:23 am] joeytsa : and i avoid playing gaps on buyouts etc[06:28 am] joeytsa : BIDU already tumbling
[06:31 am] joeytsa : BIDU was quick
[06:31 am] joeytsa : CTXS falling big
[06:32 am] joeytsa : missed that short on DECK
[06:34 am] joeytsa : tighten stop on CSTR if in
[06:34 am] joeytsa : will be looking for more weakness in WHR before a short
[06:36 am] joeytsa : CSTR may set up a short as well
[06:37 am] joeytsa : VRSN running nice
[06:37 am] joeytsa : might get toppy
[06:37 am] joeytsa : QLIK closed gp...missed that, again might be getting toppy
[06:40 am] joeytsa : VRSN setting up a 3mf possibly
[06:41 am] shawnt4 : why did we short CLF When they had a great quarter
[06:42 am] joeytsa : missed both sides of that CLF...great call Kris
[06:43 am] mhaus : watching BWA
[06:43 am] derns : NFLX...may be a possible 3-min face
[06:43 am] derns : fade...
[06:43 am] skydiver : Take over chatter HGSI
[06:44 am] joeytsa : BIDU lod and falling
[06:45 am] joeytsa : left a bunch of money on that one
[06:46 am] doji : CSTR S
[06:46 am] skydiver : SNDK - take over chatter
[06:47 am] doji : LVS toppy
[06:47 am] doji : all out CSTR S
[06:48 am] trvlntrdr : IDCC hitting (falling) on to support
[06:49 am] joeytsa : AEM hod, pulled back to support and ran to higher high
[06:50 am] derns : NFLX turning..no shares available at Schwab to short
[06:51 am] joeytsa : ATHN diving
[06:52 am] doji : GMCR
[06:52 am] joeytsa : CSTR might be a slow bleeder today..if you have patience :)
[06:52 am] eyes-inthenow : S SWN 42.77
[06:52 am] eyes-inthenow : S VRSN
[06:52 am] derns : NFLX is strong
[06:53 am] eyes-inthenow : 34.55 out Half 1%
[06:53 am] joeytsa : yeah derns..following that 5ma up
[06:54 am] eyes-inthenow : Any thoughts on SWN
[06:54 am] joeytsa : LNKD running
[06:54 am] eyes-inthenow : out 1/4 33.86 VRSN
[06:56 am] shark : LNKD alert!!!
[06:56 am] shark : LNKD alert!!!
[06:57 am] trvlntrdr : vrtx turning up
[06:58 am] trvlntrdr : GMCR just won't stop!
[06:58 am] joeytsa : CLF double top around 72.45
[06:58 am] shark : shorts have gone on long on GMCR trvlntrdr[06:58 am] doji : GMCR spiking
[06:59 am] joeytsa : CHTR dropping hard
[06:59 am] joeytsa : low volume on CHTR though
[06:59 am] trvlntrdr : yep maybe gmcr luck has finally returned
[06:59 am] shark : possibly back to 200day ma as a target GMCR
[06:59 am] eyes-inthenow : Kris Any thoughts on SWN I am S 42.76
[06:59 am] doji : Any news?
[07:01 am] joeytsa : eyes where is your stop?
[07:01 am] shark : NFLX strong up
[07:02 am] joeytsa : NEM trying to close get to the prv cl
[07:03 am] sonorant : LVS running up
[07:03 am] mhaus : VAR toppy
[07:03 am] doji : SODA
[07:03 am] eyes-inthenow : out last 1/4 VRSN 36.33 +94
[07:04 am] joeytsa : CTXS looked to have some res just over 75...double top at the moment
[07:04 am] doji : LVS S
[07:04 am] joeytsa : eye on CLF
[07:05 am] doji : WYNN dropped LVS should follow?
[07:06 am] joeytsa : only diff i see doji is that WYNN broke thru prv cl support, LVS didn't
[07:06 am] doji : yeap Joey
[07:07 am] doji : I saw that also
[07:07 am] doji : have a tight stop above 49
[07:07 am] apple : joey, what is your other eye on?
[07:07 am] doji : SODA, GMCR very strong
[07:08 am] truck : VAR & lt really nice !
[07:08 am] joeytsa : WHR slow bleed
[07:09 am] shark : I like that one joeytsa: WHR
[07:09 am] joeytsa : bad news on earnings [07:10 am] doji : too late to see SODA
[07:10 am] joeytsa : starting to lose patience with CLF short
[07:10 am] joeytsa : lowering stop..hope to get out haha[07:11 am] doji : LVS and WYNN new HOD
[07:11 am] joeytsa : finally stopped on CLF...30cents woohoo[07:12 am] joeytsa : NEM broke thru
[07:12 am] joeytsa : prv close i mean
[07:12 am] scalpman : SODA S @ 31.76 out 1/2
[07:13 am] doji : NFLX also turning up
[07:14 am] joeytsa : wait for GMCR weakness to short, been pretty strong holding the ma's
[07:14 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent any thoughts on SWN I S 3 min fade 42.76 stop 43.47
[07:14 am] doji : added to LVS S
[07:15 am] joeytsa : the 3mf on VRSN worked great...too bad i was watching something else doh[07:15 am] scalpman : Trailing down stop on SODA
[07:15 am] richard : CVC bottoming
[07:16 am] joeytsa : FLS might set up a short
[07:16 am] joeytsa : not the biggest volume stock
[07:16 am] doji : stop in LVS at be
[07:16 am] eyes-inthenow : Stopped out SWN
[07:17 am] scalpman : LVS 2 (half) @ 48.99
[07:17 am] joeytsa : nice $1-1.50 profit on VRSN if you took it
[07:17 am] scalpman : Out EVEN LVS
[07:18 am] joeytsa : I'm out until the closing hour...keep the great trades coming !!!!
[07:19 am] mhaus : VPRT
[07:19 am] derns : Short LVS...
[07:19 am] joeytsa : might look for some profit taking plays that last hour :)
[07:20 am] joeytsa : VIX is under 26
[07:20 am] scalpman : All out SODA
[07:21 am] doji : all out LVS at be
[07:23 am] eyes-inthenow : S LVS 48.77 Stopped out 49.34
[07:23 am] lightning : stopped LVS. Struggling today so far, but more trades to do
[07:25 am] zentrader : kaboom on FLS - thanks
[07:30 am] doji : was watching QLIK!
[07:31 am] truck : SWN,,,,making new hod[07:31 am] doji : LVS turning over again
[07:31 am] doji : CSTR moving up
[07:32 am] trvlntrdr : vrtx up against resistance, might breakthrough
[07:33 am] doji : QLIK is a runner
[07:36 am] skydiver : HOG - take over chatter
[07:37 am] doji : SPY nod
[07:37 am] truck : CMI,,,,,hod[07:38 am] shark : NFLX looks ready to break up some more
[07:38 am] shark : testing hod[07:39 am] doji : FSLR nod
[07:39 am] doji : SLB nod
[07:39 am] doji : FLS nod
[07:42 am] richard : I'm attending the live Worden Brothers Seminar here in Denver today...have a great week-end and thanks all !
[07:43 am] lightning : watching ACOM jump...needs more volume
[07:44 am] monster : avgo[07:44 am] shawnt4 : WYNN is on a role
[07:51 am] doji : just watching AVGO
[07:52 am] doji : LVS
[07:53 am] derns : yes..LVS finally dropped!
[07:53 am] doji : YEap Derns, did you short it again?
[07:54 am] derns : yes I did...49.32
[07:55 am] derns : I just adjusted my stop to 48.80
[07:55 am] candelas : berry berry weak bounce
[07:57 am] derns : stopped on AVGO for a loss and LVS for a gain
[07:58 am] doji : Yeap, I also got 45c in LVS second short
[07:58 am] mhaus : watching JLL
[07:58 am] doji : I have my eyes on QLIK
[07:58 am] dano : yea derns, avgo got me too...min loss. got cern early though...good stuff
[07:59 am] derns : AVGO did look like a good set up...anyone watching APKT?
[08:00 am] derns : APKT is on a study upward move
[08:00 am] apple : yes i am
[08:00 am] derns : I'm expecting it to turn soon enough...Apple..what do you think..fade?
[08:00 am] doji : I am Derns, APKT
[08:01 am] doji : Remember the 3min fades yesterday...
[08:01 am] apple : moving down, let's see
[08:02 am] doji : AVGO breaking down
[08:02 am] doji : APKT has resistance around 36.1 from yesterday Apple
[08:02 am] doji : support sorry
[08:03 am] doji : so at best it could give 1% for the current top
[08:10 am] jsn13 : So Mitch for AVGO, at which price and what time would u go long? What confirms u?
[08:10 am] scalpman : MCP L @ 41.20
[08:10 am] lightning : there's the right question jsn. I'm very interested in the answer
[08:10 am] scalpman : MCP new hod[08:12 am] apple : DECK still going strong
[08:13 am] scalpman : out 2/5 MCP L
[08:13 am] jsn13 : WOuld u wait till that bar closes? and what limit price would u put?
[08:14 am] eyes-inthenow : X setting up nice for 3 m
[08:14 am] Kris : AVGO was a tough trade on 3MF
[08:15 am] Kris : that's why I like to start with half and see if it could hold a double bottom or make a higher low on the pullback before adding.
[08:15 am] scalpman : AVGO K @ 32.00
[08:15 am] shark : GREAT, GREAT point Kris!!!
[08:15 am] Kris : also, adding a trendline has never hurt me when trying to trade it a second or the rare 3rd try
[08:15 am] scalpman : All out MCP L
[08:16 am] scalpman : OUt 1/2 AVGO L
[08:17 am] jewels0 : What a day! My first red one in a while. I can't seem to get on the right side of a trade today.
[08:17 am] jsn13 : So Kris, for AVGO would u open ur position juz below 32 once it breaks the trendline resistance?
[08:18 am] eyes-inthenow : what you think about X 3m
[08:19 am] scalpman : AVGO breaking VWAP
[08:20 am] pow : watch ALGN for short
[08:21 am] scalpman : Target AVGO @ .64
[08:22 am] scalpman : OUt another 1/4 on AVGO L
[08:22 am] scalpman : One 1/4 remaining...
[08:22 am] lightning : nice scalpman!
[08:23 am] Kris : sorry jsn13
[08:23 am] Kris : on my strategy trading the AVGO reversal
[08:23 am] jewels0 : GMCR really put the hurts to me earlier
[08:23 am] doji : AVGO S
[08:23 am] Kris : I entered half on the open of the 10:54 3min candle
[08:23 am] scalpman : Stopped @ .61 on all out AVGO
[08:23 am] Kris : stopped out on the new lod[08:24 am] pow : tza[08:24 am] Kris : I backed off and waited for a break of trendline to put in a more solid base
[08:24 am] Kris : you can also switch to the 5min if you're getting a choppy bottom
[08:24 am] anthonyb : X ramping up
[08:24 am] Kris : on your second attempt
[08:25 am] candelas : keep eye on DTV to see if vol picks up
[08:25 am] scalpman : Wow....Mitch is right...no emotion...on the matter...keep watching for the opportunity...turned a flat day green!
[08:25 am] Kris : then once it breaks the previous candle high, add your second half.
[08:25 am] dmitry : X is working
[08:27 am] eyes-inthenow : are you long X
[08:27 am] anthonyb : volume spike in X
[08:27 am] scalpman : Will short AVGO @ .63
[08:29 am] scalpman : nope ...avgo pass
[08:30 am] eyes-inthenow : S X 27.00
[08:32 am] dmitry : I am long X @25.15
[08:32 am] pow : ALGN breaking down
[08:34 am] jsn13 : That means ur average price is still high right? then the stop loss would be wide right? So would u stop urself out or let it stop out when it is not acting well?
[08:34 am] scalpman : AVGO S @ 32.60
[08:35 am] skydiver : Nice scalpman on AGVO
[08:36 am] doji : in AVGO S 32.69
[08:36 am] eyes-inthenow : Full position Short X 26.96 were would be a good Stop I have it at 27.28
[08:37 am] dmitry : x good short now
[08:38 am] scalpman : AVGO hooking down on the 2 min
[08:38 am] derns : This market still baffles me...financial advisors say buy on every dip thru y/e, but the values scare me...we've had a big run
[08:39 am] doji : QLIK S 30.18.... been waiting the whole morning
[08:39 am] derns : LVS dropping with volume
[08:40 am] eyes-inthenow : out Half X 26.74
[08:41 am] michael : I'll offer an opinion from a nobody. These markets have been rough for months, but eventually will fix themselves. During that time we should have two goals, the first being to not lose a lot of money, the second being to make a little here and there.
[08:41 am] skydiver : Nice eyes
[08:41 am] apple : hear, hear, michael!
[08:42 am] eyes-inthenow : Still in the red but working on it
[08:42 am] derns : Good point Michael...thx
[08:42 am] dano : stopped cern...in 61.92...out 63.68
[08:43 am] apple : nice dano[08:43 am] pow : nice short on CERN
[08:44 am] dano : it's a win..albeit small (position)
[08:45 am] jewels0 : dano, good job. All the wins count in this market.
[08:46 am] dano : it was moving nicely since its early rev...not sure why it suddenly tanked
[08:46 am] scalpman : Out 1/5 AVGO S
[08:46 am] mhaus : FLS
[08:47 am] skydiver : missed SODA short - been on a phone call --
[08:47 am] dano : any type of mrkt news out there??
[08:48 am] scalpman : Out another 1/5...AVGO reluctant
[08:49 am] eyes-inthenow : PCP
[08:51 am] michael : NANO spike almost 4% in less than 10 minutes
[08:51 am] scalpman : OUt another 1/4 AVGO
[08:52 am] scalpman : stop @ .48 AVGO
[08:52 am] trvlntrdr : aon about to make a breakout, IMHO
[08:52 am] scalpman : I'm nibbling away...AVGO
[08:52 am] scalpman : Will hold last 3/10.
[08:52 am] lightning : me too scalp, nibbling away at AVGO.
[08:53 am] scalpman : Trailing down stop aVGO[08:53 am] jewels0 : I'm shorting AVGO with you guys.
[08:54 am] lightning : out 1/2 X short
[08:56 am] lightning : out another 1/3 AVGO short. Still holding 1/3.
[08:56 am] scalpman : AvGO a good candidate for 2 or 3 minute chart
[08:56 am] jewels0 : Stoch's turning down on 5 min AVGO
[08:59 am] doji : AVGO doing its job
[08:59 am] trvlntrdr : thanks for warning us to get out of AVGO, Mitch
[09:00 am] trvlntrdr : I thought it was just on a pull back
[09:00 am] scalpman : AVGO target 32.02
[09:01 am] skydiver : Okay - see you all -- have a funeral to attend this morning. Have a great week-end and see you all Monday
[09:01 am] scalpman : Out another 1/10 AVGO S
[09:02 am] mhaus : DLX
[09:02 am] eyes-inthenow : out 1/4 X .76
[09:02 am] scalpman : Out 1/10 AVGO *ha
[09:03 am] scalpman : 32.02 alright!
[09:03 am] apple : good one scalp
[09:03 am] doji : All out AVGO 32.04
[09:03 am] scalpman : ALL OUT Avgo....what a run! very excited
[09:04 am] jewels0 : I'm still holding all AVGO... will see what happens here
[09:04 am] scalpman : Great way to finish today...9 for 14...with good managed losses.
[09:04 am] doji : FSLR
[09:05 am] scalpman : Time to go now...a solid week. Thanks for all the help from Mitch, Kris and Brent and Trade room friends...
[09:06 am] Brent : have a good weekend scalpman[09:06 am] scalpman : Today AVGO was a winner on the Long and short.
[09:08 am] khall : I'm out for the day as well - see everyone Monday morning!
[09:09 am] jewels0 : C'mon AVGO... looking for new lows here
[09:11 am] eyes-inthenow : Stopped Break even last 1/4 X
[09:11 am] Brent : good job eyes
[09:12 am] shailan : CERN moving
[09:12 am] lightning : covered last 1/3 AVGO short here
[09:12 am] lightning : (just in time)
[09:13 am] eyes-inthenow : Did anyone get that PCP
[09:14 am] jewels0 : Sheesh, made a whole $4 on AVGO
[09:14 am] doji : Hey guys, are you seeing incurrent % gain/loss in your platform? [09:15 am] doji : From the yesterday close
[09:15 am] doji : I use TOS
[09:15 am] doji : and the helpdesk says it's ARCA issue
[09:15 am] eyes-inthenow : Run from TOS
[09:15 am] jewels0 : I thought AVGO was consolidating for more downside
[09:16 am] doji : QLIK in a mission
[09:20 am] michael : NANO is good for some good percent moves each way today
[09:20 am] apple : B- what do you think of VPRT as a swing? thx
[09:20 am] pow : double top stmp turning over
[09:21 am] apple : pow - it had a nice run today
[09:21 am] candelas : hey Jewels, whenever ur down overall, don't focus on it and don't try to make it up on 1trade and don't force it. Just relax refocus and take the next opportunity focusing only on trade in front of you
[09:22 am] jewels0 : Thanks candelas
[09:22 am] Brent : VPRT is a little late in my opinion apple
[09:23 am] apple : i thought so... just checking, thx
[09:23 am] eyes-inthenow : How about X brent second helping
[09:23 am] candelas : I know easier said than done, but you can. I was down $5800 on monday, took break refocused and was up nicely end of the day.
[09:24 am] jewels0 : Whew... I need that encouragement
[09:24 am] candelas : so it's all about focusing and not thinking about ur losers
[09:25 am] jewels0 : That's why I take short brief walks.
[09:25 am] eyes-inthenow : Amen Candelas I am reading The zone for the second time
[09:25 am] trvlntrdr : thanks for the encouragement and thoughts candelas
[09:25 am] candelas : good deal
[09:25 am] candelas : i think I have read it 4 times Eyes, learn something new every time
[09:26 am] apple : i just got it, will read this weekend
[09:27 am] candelas : u will enjoy it apple guaranteed, it will open ur eyes
[09:27 am] jewels0 : I have The Zone but haven't read it yet. So, it's a good one?
[09:27 am] eyes-inthenow : S X 26.95 Half
[09:28 am] candelas : by far jewels
[09:28 am] candelas : a must read
[09:28 am] lightning : Jewels, it's a very good one, it's about your mental approach and not about techniques. Very good.
[09:28 am] jewels0 : Okay. I'll get on it. Thanks.
[09:33 am] doji : Candelas is The Zone book the same as the Trading in the Zone by Mark Douglas?
[09:34 am] candelas : there is more than 1, but u want by mark douglas[09:36 am] eyes-inthenow : Well Time to Watch Brent's 3 Min fade video again
[09:37 am] candelas : anyone get the DTV trade
[09:37 am] apple : does anybody have any other recommendations for books - besides John Murphy?
[09:38 am] eyes-inthenow : Turners books are really good
[09:38 am] Brent : you have it down eyes. You already knew that the second short on X wasn't a 3mf right?
[09:38 am] eyes-inthenow : yes
[09:38 am] lightning : apple, I just began reading Japanese Candlestick Charting Techniques by Steve Nison. Very interesting so far.
[09:38 am] lightning : That book was on Brent's list of books he liked
[09:38 am] candelas : its great learning Light
[09:39 am] Brent : my top four
[09:39 am] Brent : The John Murphy one, Stive Nison, Trading in the Zone, and the one about Jesse Livermore
[09:40 am] candelas : "trading from the gut" by Curtis Faith
[09:40 am] Brent : Technical Analysis of the Financial Markets
[09:40 am] trvlntrdr : is nt that the classic-- from the 50s
[09:41 am] Brent : there's a newer edition
[09:41 am] Brent : http://www.amazon.com/Technical-Analysis-Fina ncial-Markets-Comprehensive/dp/0735200661/ref =sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1319820091&am p;sr=8-3
[09:41 am] trvlntrdr : I haven't decided if I want that one or the Technical analysis in multiple time frames
[09:41 am] trvlntrdr : I was going to buy one of them
[09:42 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent the only thing is Get full position after close of 1 min or 3 min that
[09:42 am] eyes-inthenow : second candle
[09:44 am] Brent : 2nd half when the second 3 min candle breaks the high (if you are long) of the first 3min candle
[09:44 am] Brent : I don't switch to 1min, until my position is full
[09:44 am] eyes-inthenow : got it that is where I was Confused
[09:44 am] eyes-inthenow : I was switching to early
[09:46 am] eyes-inthenow : I am Still Down For the Day But what A difference trading with a actual setup makes
[09:48 am] Brent : that's good eyes. Just trade consistent, the money will come, and review your trades at night, winners and losers. Make sure the set up, your entry and exit was correct
[09:49 am] eyes-inthenow : Will Do
[09:49 am] eyes-inthenow : The one that Got me Was SWN
[09:52 am] Brent : 3 min fade rules require a min of 4 candles in a row. SWN had 3
[09:52 am] Brent : lol[09:52 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent Does the 3% apply for every move or just the first one I S SWN9.43 got stopped out and S 10.21 Stopped out
[09:52 am] Brent : lots of rules
[09:53 am] Brent : SWN? 9.43?
[09:53 am] eyes-inthenow : Ok seminar was min 3 kris i will change
[09:54 am] Brent : use the one from the webinar
[09:54 am] sonorant : mhaus, how are you doing today? yesterday everything worked for me. Today I am down. I think I am going to have to go to variable number of shares. I think my winners this morning were mostly the lower priced stocks, and my losers, stops were the higher priced ones.
[09:55 am] sonorant : so I am in the red $28. yesterday I was up $19
[09:55 am] Brent : I think a dollar amount works better then a number of shares sonorant
[09:55 am] Brent : for that very reason
[09:56 am] sonorant : I'll have to look at the ATM strategies
[09:56 am] doji : Dollar amount works for me also...
[09:56 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent on Ninja are you S on the Ask
[09:56 am] Brent : yes
[09:56 am] Brent : I sell on the Ask, and Buy on the Bid
[09:56 am] sonorant : Brent, the ATM strategies ask for an "order quantity" how do you make it $$?
[09:57 am] eyes-inthenow : I tried that a few times and didn't get filled
[09:57 am] Brent : you can't sonorant. but you can make multiple ATM strategies, each with a different number of shares
[09:58 am] sonorant : I did that, and I was losing fills while I scrolled down and chose my strategy. Maybe I will be quicker now
[09:58 am] Brent : yeah, sometimes you need to move that limit order around on the dom to get filled eyes. But it helps keep you from getting a bad price on the bigger spreads
[09:59 am] Brent : yeah, I just do it manually sonorant. Don't use ATM's
[09:59 am] sonorant : what do you mean, you just do it manually? are you setting your stops and targets after the fact?
[09:59 am] Brent : yes
[09:59 am] doji : SPY moving
[09:59 am] mhaus : watching ADS
[10:01 am] eyes-inthenow : my bad Kris's Was 4 Candles
[10:01 am] eyes-inthenow : that would have saved me 300
[10:02 am] Brent : yeah, everyone of these rules helped us get the strategy to over 80%
[10:02 am] eyes-inthenow : I am Imprinting them into my Skull
[10:04 am] jewels0 : Brent, what strategies are you talking about?
[10:04 am] jewels0 : ... and rules?
[10:04 am] eyes-inthenow : Just maid 100 Oncl up 30 for the day Cool
[10:05 am] jewels0 : I'm lost when you guys talk about 3 min fades too
[10:05 am] eyes-inthenow : Three Profitable trades on Cl 10ticks each
[10:06 am] eyes-inthenow : I love the Cl I am Good at that
[10:07 am] eyes-inthenow : I just need to learn to go after more than 10 ticks
[10:08 am] eyes-inthenow : I wait all day for good se3tups and only take ten ticks it's a work in progress
[10:11 am] apple : sounds good. I have not traded CL yet, trying to master one thing here first.
[10:11 am] candelas : Deck hod[10:13 am] doji : What principles do you use to trade CL Eyes?
[10:14 am] eyes-inthenow : When it test high of day 99% of the time it gives a good 30tick drop
[10:14 am] eyes-inthenow : i get out at 10 thou
[10:15 am] doji : Let's see, high of the day is 93.9 so as per your strategy, it should rebound from there, 99% of the time right?
[10:16 am] eyes-inthenow : See how it didn't make new high right when it turns i am s
[10:16 am] eyes-inthenow : you have to be fast
[10:16 am] lovlu : vr alert
[10:16 am] sonorant : CL is the oil futures?
[10:17 am] apple : yes
[10:17 am] apple : nice one lovlu[10:19 am] eyes-inthenow : L VR 1/2 27.53
[10:20 am] sonorant : L VR 27.50
[10:21 am] doji : VR still dropping
[10:21 am] eyes-inthenow : stop 27.19
[10:22 am] sonorant : you might be right doji[10:23 am] jewels0 : Well, I've lost too much today. And I'll sit and watch you guys now.
[10:25 am] apple : jewels, sometimes you just have to stop and call it a day. Go enjoy the weekend early.
[10:25 am] jewels0 : That's my intention. My family is in visiting my parents for the weekend so I'm going to enjoy my time.
[10:26 am] doji : VR still hesitating while the SPY is moving up...
[10:27 am] sonorant : should I throw in the towel on VR? it isn't acting quite right
[10:27 am] jewels0 : I'll stick around here and watch you all for a bit.
[10:27 am] eyes-inthenow : Any thoughts Brent on VR
[10:28 am] Brent : not a strong bounce that's for sure
[10:32 am] doji : SPY reversing, watch out VR
[10:33 am] jewels0 : VR looks like it's just grabbing people's stops at the moment
[10:34 am] sonorant : small loss on VR -- had a tiny amount of profit to offset loss
[10:36 am] apple : Thx B and Mk and everyone for a wonderful day. Everybody have a fun and safe Halloween weekend. Boo
[10:36 am] sonorant : man, look at a full screen view of VR -- look at all the chop down where we just tried to trade!
[10:38 am] mhaus : SODA
[10:39 am] go4it : SODA breakout
[10:40 am] jewels0 : DD
[10:40 am] doji : SINA tanking
[10:42 am] eyes-inthenow : VR not acting very Good
[10:42 am] jewels0 : DD pulling back
[10:46 am] sonorant : mhaus, are you in SODA?
[10:46 am] eyes-inthenow : when it cleared 93.45 the next support 93.30 and then 93.13
[10:47 am] eyes-inthenow : it below 200 sma and ema[10:48 am] eyes-inthenow : i think i am going to close out VR
[10:50 am] jewels0 : AON more downside?
[10:51 am] doji : It's bouncing from the VWAP
[10:52 am] trvlntrdr : not clear to me what AON might do
[10:54 am] jewels0 : AON looks good short. but heck, I've been wrong all day.
[10:55 am] trvlntrdr : yes I agree now
[10:56 am] trvlntrdr : it had a good chance of going up so I stayed out
[10:56 am] trvlntrdr : stochs were already down too
[10:56 am] jewels0 : 2 min stoch is pegged
[10:57 am] trvlntrdr : I short SINA though at 87.11
[10:57 am] eyes-inthenow : stoped out VR
[10:58 am] jewels0 : hope SINA gives you some $
[11:00 am] jewels0 : I think the spread is usually jacked on SINA. I hate that.
[11:01 am] trvlntrdr : yes I would never use a market order on SINA
[11:02 am] trvlntrdr : and for those volatile tech stocks I try to put my limit where I want it figure it will hit it in a few minutes
[11:02 am] jewels0 : That's what I do too.
[11:03 am] trvlntrdr : That is what I plan to do. sometimes I get excited.
[11:03 am] trvlntrdr : I stopped out of Sina. lost 0.12
[11:03 am] trvlntrdr : =12 bucks
[11:04 am] jewels0 : Today was tough trading for me.
[11:04 am] trvlntrdr : me too. half my fault half bad luck
[11:04 am] jewels0 : My impatience killed me today. And I woke up with a bad feeling for trading today. I should have just sat out.
[11:05 am] monster : vc[11:05 am] trvlntrdr : impatience and fear. always the problem
[11:06 am] eyes-inthenow : Read the Zone
[11:06 am] trvlntrdr : also, bias that you will be right
[11:06 am] trvlntrdr : I intend to
[11:06 am] eyes-inthenow : it's my new bible
[11:06 am] jewels0 : Honestly, I have the Zone but thought it was a bunch of philosophical muck.
[11:07 am] jewels0 : I hadn't read it yet.
[11:07 am] jewels0 : So, my bias prevented me from starting it.
[11:07 am] jewels0 : SINA drop
[11:07 am] trvlntrdr : every successful trader I learned from says emotion is the most difficult thing
[11:07 am] jewels0 : Well, I'll read it now :)
[11:08 am] trvlntrdr : And that is my experience
[11:08 am] eyes-inthenow : I think you will love it
[11:08 am] lightning : VC: Visteon considering sale of two units for up to $450M, reports Bloomberg :theflyonthewall.com
[11:15 am] pow : TZA
[11:21 am] trvlntrdr : Avgo has really been strong since the pullback at 32
[11:21 am] talaakil : ms[11:24 am] dan : anyone here still in VR?
[11:24 am] lightning : No, VR spit me out.
[11:25 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent on the 3 Min fades I noticed a lot of the time my stops are closer to 2% is that ok or is there a rule because the first candle can be a big drop
[11:26 am] sonorant : candles, what have you traded today?
[11:27 am] candelas : traded bidu,whr,clf,sina[11:27 am] candelas : cern[11:27 am] candelas : and gmcr [11:27 am] sonorant : but only in CO
[11:27 am] jewels0 : Candelas, did you make money in GMCR?
[11:28 am] Brent : they have been larger than normal lately eyes. If I'm in a situation where the 3min entry puts me in with that big of stop. I'll only add my second half on a pullback. Not on the break of the next candle like normal. If it keeps going up, then I will just finish the trade with 1/2 position
[11:28 am] candelas : bidu,whr,clf,sina,var,gmcr, and cern[11:28 am] candelas : yes made money on gmcr[11:28 am] Brent : make sense eyes?
[11:28 am] jewels0 : Darn, I should have followed you into it. It took it out of me today.
[11:28 am] trvlntrdr : didn't do good with gmcr today
[11:29 am] eyes-inthenow : yes it does thank you
[11:30 am] candelas : did u short or long gmcr Trvl?
[11:30 am] michael : TEN dropping on volume
[11:32 am] sonorant : candles -- it is too late in the day, can you give me approx. times of trades, if you don't mind?
[11:33 am] jewels0 : GMCR ready for some downside here?
[11:33 am] jewels0 : and no, I'm not touching it
[11:34 am] doji : With you Jewels
[11:35 am] michael : YOKU up, maybe ready for short
[11:36 am] michael : YOKU looks like breakout, short would have to be quick
[11:36 am] candelas : will give a couple, had more than my avg trades today
[11:36 am] sonorant : sound good
[11:38 am] eyes-inthenow : LNG
[11:39 am] candelas : cern 1st entry 9:51 @60.21, 2nd entry 9:53 @60.53
[11:39 am] talaakil : morgan stanley guys
[11:39 am] candelas : times are est.
[11:40 am] sonorant : okay -- estimates good, I am most interested in what you saw as a viable set up --
[11:40 am] candelas : those were actual times
[11:40 am] eyes-inthenow : Good night everyone have a awesome weekend
[11:40 am] Brent : you too eyes
[11:41 am] candelas : to clear up, I was able to get full position on cern[11:42 am] sonorant : heavens, yoku finally sank
[11:43 am] jewels0 : Anybody else feel like they got conflicting messages today on indicators and higher time frames?
[11:44 am] trvlntrdr : yes
[11:44 am] jewels0 : I couldn't read anything right today
[11:44 am] trvlntrdr : I think because not a lot of clear direction from buying
[11:44 am] jewels0 : Yeah... man, that was sure sign to sit out.
[11:44 am] trvlntrdr : that's my story and I m sticking to it
[11:44 am] jewels0 : lol, I'm with you on that
[11:44 am] jewels0 : Annnd, it's Friday
[11:45 am] trvlntrdr : AVGO has been good to me, tho, too bad I didn't put 1000 shares in
[11:46 am] jewels0 : Wow! Good one there!
[11:46 am] trvlntrdr : AVGO?
[11:46 am] candelas : var entry @ 10:01 price 62.01 exit 60.73 time 10:03
[11:46 am] jewels0 : Yes, AVGO if you took it long here from the low.
[11:47 am] doji : YOKU could pull back in the last hour
[11:47 am] trvlntrdr : yes I did got in and out a few times. but we won't talk about my failures
[11:47 am] doji : it has moved over 12% only today
[11:48 am] jewels0 : learn from the failures but keep the account green trvl[11:49 am] sonorant : candles, how did you find CERN, was it called? I see why it was compelling if you look at the daily -- it dropped off a cliff.
[11:49 am] trvlntrdr : I learn-- and ignore---
[11:49 am] trvlntrdr : var was a great trade, candles
[11:50 am] trvlntrdr : avgo accelerating, may pull back soon
[11:50 am] candelas : it was called by Kris
[11:51 am] trvlntrdr : I need to look at all the trades to pick a few good ones. need more charts out I guess
[11:52 am] trvlntrdr : AVGO into resistance
[11:53 am] sonorant : wow, you got in and out of VAR quickly -- that is good to know
[11:53 am] trvlntrdr : candelas do you put each order in or use an ATM
[11:54 am] candelas : close to 2% so quick, did not want to overstay or get greaady[11:54 am] sonorant : look at AVGO -- right back where it started, 3 1/2 hours later!!!
[11:54 am] candelas : i place them, if I miss I just wait for next setup
[11:54 am] sonorant : ah, that makes sense.
[11:54 am] trvlntrdr : OK thanks
[11:55 am] sonorant : another one?
[11:56 am] doji : AVGO for S
[11:58 am] candelas : i lost on the first short on gmcr, but small entry 69.23@ 10:08 covd. 69.37@10:09
[12:00 pm] candelas : the other gmcr short 70.47@11:33 covered 69.33@11:40
[12:02 pm] jewels0 : candelas, what time frames do you trade off of?
[12:02 pm] candelas : est. time
[12:03 pm] doji : Candelas, you used a very tight stop in your first trade in GMCR
[12:04 pm] sonorant : on that first one, you didn't let it do much damage -- 14 cents on a $70 stock. that is I believe about 1/5 of 1 percent. Valuable information.
[12:04 pm] candelas : sometimes I don't let my stop hit the 1%,
[12:04 pm] candelas : actually a lot of times
[12:05 pm] sonorant : right now I am getting eaten by AVGO , which is not turning around at resistance.... I should have shortened my stop
[12:06 pm] candelas : just my .02 I figure just bcuz i have 1% stop does not mean i have to take it. I can get out for less if does not feel right
[12:06 pm] trvlntrdr : I wouldn't short aVGO right now
[12:06 pm] mhaus : TZOO
[12:07 pm] doji : But in GMCR, with a 0.14c stop you will most probably be stopped immediately
[12:07 pm] sonorant : doji, TZA?
[12:08 pm] candelas : u missed my point, my stop is 1%
[12:09 pm] candelas : however, it does not mean that I allow it to get to 1% if trade does not feel right
[12:09 pm] candelas : gmcr on the move
[12:10 pm] candelas : broke out from consolidation
[12:10 pm] jewels0 : I was just going to say that
[12:11 pm] candelas : does that make sense Doji[12:11 pm] doji : No Sonorant, don't want to risk my overall day profit with TZA
[12:12 pm] doji : Yes candle
[12:12 pm] sonorant : trlntrder, the idea was to short AVGO at resistance -- how is this a bad idea?
[12:12 pm] doji : but I need to see how GMCR moved after you enter your trade to agree/disagree
[12:13 pm] candelas : not matter of u agreeing with me or not, it's just how I trade, unique to me
[12:13 pm] doji : I do the same by the way... move my stop if the stock go in the opposite direction of my trade
[12:13 pm] candelas : there u go, the wonderful part of trading
[12:14 pm] candelas : it fits your style, or should
[12:14 pm] doji : What you do make sense Candelas...
[12:14 pm] sonorant : I'm just trying to make a list of 1001 BAD ideas and 100 GOOD ideas.
[12:14 pm] candelas : I'm glad u think so, LOL
[12:15 pm] sonorant : the important thing is to learn why the bad ideas are bad -- I would learn eventually by intuition, but I need to learn faster
[12:15 pm] trvlntrdr : sonorant resistance does not always mean reversal I would tighten stops and look at short if it does reverse. I ended my long but it didn't look like a short yet, plus spy was going up
[12:15 pm] michael : Sonorant On a strong stock like AVGO I prefer to get a double top for confirmation to short it.
[12:16 pm] sonorant : well, you are obviously right because the trade isn't working!
[12:16 pm] michael : Sonoran You may see one right here, still not a guarantee
[12:17 pm] doji : like GMCR right now Mchael[12:17 pm] candelas : who was it that said all stocks are bad until they go up
[12:17 pm] michael : Looks good Doji[12:18 pm] doji : unless you are short Candy
[12:18 pm] trvlntrdr : I agree with michael, double top or lower high before shorting a strong stock
[12:18 pm] candelas : ur right
[12:18 pm] sonorant : no, I wouldn't take GMCR right now - unless I took it long, overall trending up
[12:18 pm] doji : and the SPY is helping
[12:18 pm] jewels0 : One thing is always the same with stock prices... they fluctuate!
[12:18 pm] doji : with the indicators reversing
[12:18 pm] doji : so we had three points to short GMCR
[12:19 pm] jewels0 : I like to be on the right side of the fluc's[12:19 pm] doji : who did it?
[12:19 pm] candelas : was GMCR the stock that gave many times today
[12:20 pm] michael : Sonorant See how AVGO actually turned pretty smooth around 33.75? Not a sure thing, but gives you some comfort room
[12:21 pm] mhaus : Mitch, how do you look for setups on such a slow day? I find it hard keeping awake.
[12:21 pm] Mitch : I don't trade now mhaus[12:22 pm] jewels0 : I love this room. This is a good place to be!
[12:22 pm] sonorant : okay, I must look at candles lat GMCR example
[12:22 pm] pow : yoiu[12:22 pm] trvlntrdr : Sonorant, also if you look at mitches guidance on indicators, the 5 min sma did not turn down yet on AVGO when you shorted. plus the stochs were still above 80
[12:23 pm] candelas : this is a great room
[12:23 pm] jewels0 : You guys are like sunshine every day
[12:23 pm] mhaus : AON moving up slowly
[12:24 pm] sonorant : trv -- stochastics were turning down and just at 80 when I shorted. I actually thought I was late. But you are right about the flat or double top
[12:24 pm] doji : also you have to look at the support level to see the money potential
[12:25 pm] doji : on AVGO sonorant
[12:26 pm] trvlntrdr : For a strong uptrending stock I think Mitch wants them below 80 on 2 or 3 min chart
[12:26 pm] mhaus : Mitch, I have a question for you
[12:26 pm] mhaus : What kind of a monitor stand you have?
[12:26 pm] candelas : if market was not in tight range the gmcr breakout would have been stronger @ 3:08 est[12:26 pm] sonorant : interesting thanks trvln[12:26 pm] mhaus : I was looking for an adjustable 4 or 6 monitor stand so I could work either sitting or standing
[12:27 pm] sonorant : doji, where do you see the support? on AVGO?
[12:27 pm] trvlntrdr : I see now that there was a little dip below 80 for on of the stochs[12:27 pm] trvlntrdr : when you shorted.
[12:28 pm] trvlntrdr : I got out of the long but I wasn't convinced it was reversing. could just consolidate.
[12:28 pm] sonorant : which is precisely what it seems to be doing!
[12:28 pm] doji : around 33.50 before the close yesterday and today after the open
[12:29 pm] trvlntrdr : yes, it still hasn't made a lower high or lower low
[12:29 pm] trvlntrdr : well one tiny lower low
[12:29 pm] sonorant : my dip to 80 on the stochs was only on the 1 minute -- did not show up on 2 or 3 minute
[12:29 pm] doji : On Wednesday it rebounded from 33.6 +/-
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : you guys talking AVGO ?
[12:30 pm] doji : yes,
[12:30 pm] doji : 33.70 is a good support for AVGO right now
[12:30 pm] sonorant : yes, joey, we are dissecting my mistake in hopes I will be smarter next time
[12:31 pm] doji : Don't feel sorry Sonorant, it's easy to say that now
[12:32 pm] doji : but on realtime, it's a different story
[12:32 pm] doji : so how do I do is to chose the stock, put it on my monitor
[12:32 pm] doji : draw lines from previous support resistance
[12:32 pm] doji : and then monitor
[12:33 pm] sonorant : yes, I see the support from Wednesday, but it could have been resistance at the point where I shorted! It had just turned over at 33.64
[12:33 pm] trvlntrdr : it is both sup and res, but you have to make sure the price declares itself
[12:34 pm] doji : See the drop in FSLR now, it has a strong support at 53.15
[12:34 pm] doji : around
[12:34 pm] doji : above 53
[12:35 pm] sonorant : what chart do you find that on?
[12:36 pm] trvlntrdr : yes it does have strong support but it needs to go back up where I bought it.
[12:36 pm] trvlntrdr : That is my mistake--FSLR
[12:36 pm] doji : see how FSLT just bounced?
[12:36 pm] doji : FSLR
[12:36 pm] sonorant : the support -- on today's 1 minute chart?
[12:36 pm] doji : yes
[12:36 pm] doji : and 2min
[12:37 pm] trvlntrdr : it's been support there all day
[12:37 pm] joeytsa : you have the support level pegged, if it breaks thru, might take a nice tumble
[12:37 pm] doji : if it breaks 53, next support is 52.5 and then 52
[12:38 pm] doji : and next 51
[12:39 pm] sonorant : I see the support at 52, but not 52.5 -- not on today's chart. you must be backing up
[12:39 pm] doji : Here she goes
[12:40 pm] doji : with high volume
[12:41 pm] doji : Yes Sonorant, you have to see previous days also
[12:41 pm] sonorant : so a 10 or 15 minute chart
[12:41 pm] doji : YOKU
[12:42 pm] doji : You can use 1min and still see many days back
[12:42 pm] joeytsa : FSLR just had a nice pop
[12:42 pm] doji : freestockcharts for example
[12:43 pm] trvlntrdr : I was just going to recommend to sonorant
[12:43 pm] sonorant : so just scrunch up the 1 minute real tight and draw the lines?
[12:43 pm] trvlntrdr : if you want to cruise around multiple time frame on all kinds of instruments
[12:43 pm] trvlntrdr : the worden Bros. products are better than NT
[12:44 pm] trvlntrdr : inc. Freestockcharts.com
[12:44 pm] sonorant : I really have to stick with NT -- I have limited monitor space, and you are trying to figure this out on the fly -- no time to go switching platforms
[12:45 pm] doji : freestockcharts is we based Sono, so you just need to open Explorer
[12:46 pm] trvlntrdr : I don't recommend switching , you can leave it open and consult as needed
[12:46 pm] joeytsa : STMP has had a nice day
[12:46 pm] sonorant : Yes, but I can do this on NT -- and I can trade off the NT charts
[12:46 pm] trvlntrdr : I use worden in conjunction.
[12:46 pm] doji : Sno, see how FSLR rebounded up to from 53 up to 53.75
[12:47 pm] trvlntrdr : it is so fast and easy to use
[12:47 pm] sonorant : it is more a matter of getting in the habit of tossing the lines in there. So what did you see in YOKU?
[12:47 pm] trvlntrdr : the charts load faster in TC2000 and freestockcharts[12:47 pm] doji : For instance, I have TOS and have two monitors and I am able to monitor 12 stocks at the same time
[12:47 pm] sonorant : did you know it was going to pop from the resistance around 22.70?
[12:48 pm] doji : and in my laptop I have the trading room and freestockcharts opened
[12:48 pm] sonorant : can't you get the charts you want from TOS?
[12:49 pm] sonorant : trvln, what is your platform?
[12:49 pm] trvlntrdr : I use NT for trading, and worden for evaluation
[12:50 pm] trvlntrdr : I have tc2000 the paid version of Freestockcharts[12:50 pm] doji : Yes I can but I have my TV connected to my laptop where I have only one chart from freestockcharts where I look at several days back in one stock
[12:50 pm] sonorant : doji, yes, I see the FSLR pop from 53. very impressive
[12:50 pm] doji : for a full picture of previous support resistance
[12:50 pm] trvlntrdr : I do the same as Doji[12:51 pm] trvlntrdr : it moves between times very quickly
[12:51 pm] trvlntrdr : plus you can look at the euro/USD etc[12:51 pm] trvlntrdr : the spy has been moving with the euro for weeks
[12:51 pm] doji : SODA spiking
[12:52 pm] doji : has some resistance at 34
[12:52 pm] trvlntrdr : I'm really mad about getting faked out of my long fslr[12:53 pm] joeytsa : it happens trv[12:53 pm] joeytsa : there is no perfection in trading
[12:53 pm] joeytsa : ALXN had a quick spike
[12:54 pm] doji : nothing is 100% sure in trading
[12:54 pm] joeytsa : quick recap, where and when did you go long?
[12:54 pm] trvlntrdr : at least AVGO and GMCR and AON were my friends
[12:55 pm] trvlntrdr : I I went long at 54.36, it was pointing up
[12:55 pm] joeytsa : honestly looking at FSLR..i see a stock in a fairly tight range in a longer term downtrend
[12:55 pm] joeytsa : what time?
[12:55 pm] trvlntrdr : I should have exited at 54.08
[12:55 pm] trvlntrdr : 11 am EST
[12:56 pm] trvlntrdr : but I accidently lost my stopped, thought it was a head fake
[12:56 pm] sonorant : well, I'm not sure I'm going to bring up other charts, but I will start going back and putting some lines in. It is pretty easily done.
[12:56 pm] joeytsa : you took it on the double top with neg div on the indis[12:56 pm] doji : Bye guys, please make a ton of money next week for me!
[12:56 pm] trvlntrdr : so I decided to stay in because of support at 53.13
[12:56 pm] sonorant : I still want to look at candles last GMCR example -- the one that worked for him!
[12:57 pm] trvlntrdr : I have seen FSLR consolidate and move up lately
[12:57 pm] sonorant : thanks for the help everyone.
[12:57 pm] trvlntrdr : any way I agree I wouldn't hold FSLR overnight, joey
[12:58 pm] joeytsa : look at each peak from the open until your entry...
[12:58 pm] sonorant : I'm pissed I didn't go long on GMCR back where you guys wanted to short! I would have been up a dollar now!
[12:58 pm] pandozzi : have a good weekend all wasn't out here till the end of day but have a great week thanks mitch and guys
[12:58 pm] joeytsa : each macd peak was lower...
[12:58 pm] sonorant : on what joey?
[12:59 pm] joeytsa : with res around 55.20...easy to see after the fact
[12:59 pm] joeytsa : FSLR
[12:59 pm] candelas : that's where u have to learn to be flexible Sonorant, it will help make strides in trading
[01:00 pm] joeytsa : right candelas...flexible but not over-consumed with looking for everything to line up perfectly
[01:00 pm] sonorant : I still haven't looked at your last GMCR trade candles !!! must scroll back
[01:00 pm] trvlntrdr : Joey 55 was my target
[01:00 pm] joeytsa : still didn't give you a lot of wiggle room
[01:01 pm] trvlntrdr : no I didn't intend it to go that way ,
[01:01 pm] joeytsa : CP just shot up
[01:01 pm] joeytsa : again..it's much easier to see after the fact
[01:01 pm] trvlntrdr : But i got biased then I figured I didn't have any more to lose with the support
[01:02 pm] trvlntrdr : when it momentarily broke support i got out-- and I would have recovered 80% if I stayed in a few more minutes
[01:02 pm] joeytsa : yeah candelas..i get caught up looking at too many things sometimes
[01:02 pm] jewels0 : I need to read back over the chat history today and LEARN
[01:02 pm] joeytsa : too much analysis leads to paralysis :)
[01:02 pm] candelas : yep, over thinking, been there
[01:02 pm] joeytsa : just put as many factors on your side b4 you try to force trades
[01:02 pm] dano : take care all. 1 for 3 down $24.00 on the day. smart play paid off. Numbskull play gave it all back...you'd think I learned...sheeesh. But I am improving though.
[01:03 pm] sonorant : which trade are you referring to trvln?
[01:03 pm] joeytsa : even then...your best entry is ALWAYS just a guess
[01:03 pm] jewels0 : dano, we all understand
[01:03 pm] candelas : good Dano, just keep the study going
[01:03 pm] trvlntrdr : I always seem to lose bigger and win a few more
[01:04 pm] trvlntrdr : FSLR
[01:04 pm] dano : tna and tza are my crack...need to back off those puppies. those are my big losses...stks have been in the green
[01:04 pm] trvlntrdr : I was just venting to Joey
[01:04 pm] joeytsa : problem is..especially in the beginning..you look at the 1m chart, looks great until your first loss, then you switch to a 5 min chart..then 15..drive yourself crazy
[01:04 pm] sonorant : at what time trvln?
[01:04 pm] trvlntrdr : I was in it all day. the sordid details are in here!
[01:05 pm] sonorant : I will learn from everyone else's mistakes.
[01:05 pm] trvlntrdr : that is the best way
[01:05 pm] candelas : i always trade off the 1min, although i glance at 2min and 15min
[01:05 pm] trvlntrdr : I try to
[01:05 pm] sonorant : It is so much easier to learn from other peoples mistakes than from mine!!! ;-)
[01:05 pm] trvlntrdr : I think most traders make the same mistakes
[01:05 pm] joeytsa : same here candelas
[01:05 pm] trvlntrdr : I think it is human nature
[01:05 pm] jewels0 : you guys are trading off of 2 mins?
[01:05 pm] joeytsa : or course we make the same mistakes...and then go search for the holy grail
[01:06 pm] dano : I like 2 and 3 min...keeps me calm
[01:06 pm] jewels0 : I mean, 1 min charts?
[01:06 pm] candelas : and u find out the holy grail is within each of us
[01:06 pm] sonorant : there is no holy grail, but some of us definitely have better intuition and experience than others.
[01:06 pm] joeytsa : 2 min keeps me calmer...but i trade with the 1min
[01:06 pm] trvlntrdr : Mitch makes a good point about using 2 and 3 min for decision making
[01:06 pm] trvlntrdr : then entry on 1 min for fine tune
[01:07 pm] trvlntrdr : keeps you calmer, less head fake on 2-3 min
[01:07 pm] jewels0 : I trade off the 2 min but look for entry exit on 1 min
[01:07 pm] joeytsa : i find the 2min chart is great on slower developing/longer time working trends
[01:07 pm] dano : yea, I have been looking at the 1 min to get accustomed. It's the darn hampster wheel upstairs that throws me off
[01:07 pm] jewels0 : But lately I've been keeping the 5 and 15 min charts up
[01:07 pm] trvlntrdr : I don't know about using 2 min in the first 30 min of day yet
[01:08 pm] sonorant : candles, are you still there?
[01:08 pm] jewels0 : I use 1 min charts first thing in the morning but those early entries can still whack me hard.
[01:08 pm] trvlntrdr : yeah I don't know what the right answer is in the first 30
[01:08 pm] joeytsa : if you are looking at a setup on a 15min chart...remember that it might take multiple 15min intervals for that idea to work out
[01:09 pm] jewels0 : I think I'm taking off the 15 min charts. It definitely threw me for a loop today.
[01:09 pm] trvlntrdr : The adrenaline-- that's the killer
[01:09 pm] joeytsa : there really is no right answer..just find what works best for the strategy you are using
[01:09 pm] joeytsa : i use the 15min/5day timeframe for a quick s/r look
[01:10 pm] joeytsa : i believe Kris uses that from time to time also
[01:10 pm] trvlntrdr : I try to stay away from anything but the most obvious trades in the first30 min
[01:10 pm] jewels0 : I've been liking the 1, 2, 5 min charts.
[01:10 pm] joeytsa : but honestly..when a quick trade is jumping off...i just do a quick eyeball scan
[01:10 pm] jewels0 : I added the 15 in today and definitely mis-used it.
[01:11 pm] trvlntrdr : me too. it is fairly obvious when something is crashing it is going down
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