Chat Highlights From 10/25/2011

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[06:18 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:19 am] Kris : GIS, AEM, UIS, DGX and MNTA on the short side.
[06:19 am] Kris : This morning I'm watching DG, ERTS, ALXN, FTNT, NFLX and MMM on the long side.
[06:22 am] Brent : good morning
[06:29 am] Kris : Time to Rock!
[06:30 am] Kris : AMGN short half
[06:31 am] Kris : CROX short half
[06:31 am] Kris : RIMM short half
[06:32 am] Kris : PCAR short half
[06:33 am] Kris : APKT short half
[06:33 am] Kris : DLTR holding up, will watch for a long on a market reversal
[06:33 am] Kris : out half RIMM short
[06:33 am] Mitch : watching MOS for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch : watching MPC for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch : watching X for bottom
[06:34 am] Kris : DGX long half
[06:35 am] Kris : out another 1/4 RIMM short
[06:35 am] Kris : out half PCAR short
[06:36 am] Kris : be selective
[06:36 am] Kris : look for the most money and the cleanest moves
[06:36 am] Kris : we should get some nice long reversal setups soon
[06:36 am] Mitch : watching for bottom in FSLR
[06:36 am] Mitch : watching ITUB for bottom
[06:36 am] Mitch : watching WFT for bottom
[06:37 am] Brent : watching F for a bounce
[06:37 am] Kris : out half AMGN short
[06:37 am] Kris : out half CROX short
[06:37 am] Mitch : watching for bottom in DNR
[06:38 am] Mitch : index stocks bottoming
[06:38 am] Mitch : watching bottom for FCX
[06:39 am] Mitch : VLO started bouncing
[06:42 am] Mitch : SINA bouncing
[06:43 am] Kris : NVLS long
[06:44 am] Kris : DLTR long half
[06:44 am] Kris : OCN long half
[06:44 am] Mitch : watching for rebound in DGX for 2nd short, missed first
[06:45 am] Mitch : consider reducing VLO
[06:45 am] Mitch : consider selling VLO
[06:46 am] Brent : consider reducing F
[06:46 am] Kris : RCII long half
[06:46 am] Mitch : consider reducing FSLR
[06:46 am] Mitch : consider short CRZO
[06:46 am] Mitch : let CRZO stop going up first
[06:48 am] Kris : out half RCII long
[06:50 am] Kris : out another 1/4 RCII long
[06:50 am] Kris : out half DLTR long
[06:52 am] Mitch : monitor RMD for top for short but will take lot more time
[06:52 am] Mitch : watch DGX for top; don't short on new high
[06:54 am] Brent : watching SHW for a short
[06:54 am] Kris : NVLS consolidating near the hod, looking for another move up through resistance
[06:54 am] Mitch : if WFT bounce here fails to reach new highs, consider selling
[06:55 am] Mitch : correction: that was for ITUB, last comment
[06:55 am] Mitch : WFT is acting strong still
[06:56 am] Mitch : PBR shortable[06:56 am] Mitch : X stalling
[06:57 am] Kris : SKS long over 10.88
[06:58 am] Kris : AMG short
[06:58 am] Mitch : RMD turning down
[06:59 am] Kris : TRV short
[07:00 am] Kris : PRGO long over 101.57
[07:02 am] Brent : consider reducing SHW
[07:02 am] Brent : next target 84.15 area on SHW
[07:02 am] Kris : will watch ILMN for a pullback to take long
[07:03 am] Mitch : consider reducing SINA long
[07:04 am] Kris : GMCR starting to round off a little, coming into trendline support
[07:04 am] Mitch : CRZO turning over
[07:04 am] Mitch : DGX turned over 2nd time, look for series of shorts today
[07:05 am] Brent : consider reducing more SHW, next target 83.52 area
[07:05 am] Kris : out half AMG short
[07:06 am] Kris : out half TRV short
[07:06 am] Mitch : short on RMD over; consider covering
[07:06 am] Mitch : short on RMD over; consider covering short on SINA top here
[07:07 am] Mitch : hold many shorts longer than normal. indexes dropping
[07:09 am] Kris : nice V pattern setup on MF
[07:09 am] Kris : thanks rustdog[07:10 am] Kris : I think the lowest it can go is $0 apple
[07:10 am] Kris : lol[07:10 am] Mitch : SINA too strong to short.
[07:11 am] Brent : SPY testing trendline resistance
[07:13 am] Kris : SPY trying to put in a higher low, if we break that trendline bert mentioned look for a move into hod.
[07:13 am] Mitch : forgot to alert you to sell MOS and short that followed; hope you got out long and maybe shorted
[07:14 am] Kris : long small position in ILMN
[07:15 am] Mitch : argh, missed UA short, look for rebound to 80.50 area for 2nd short, too late to short first helping
[07:17 am] Mitch : lost projector, conflicts with Power Etrade's flash
[07:17 am] Mitch : watching SHW for 2nd short on top of this bounce
[07:18 am] Mitch : consider reducing CRZO short, was big percentage move, too late now to open short
[07:19 am] Kris : watching DMND for a long soon
[07:24 am] Kris : out half ILMN long
[07:28 am] Kris : out all ILMN long
[07:37 am] Kris : ILMN could be setting up for a short
[07:40 am] Kris : ARUN long over 25.05
[07:41 am] Kris : would like some consolidation or a higher low pullback before the break long.
[07:45 am] Kris : NFLX new hod[07:47 am] Kris : JNPR new hod, looking trendy
[07:48 am] Kris : VRUS has fleas
[08:04 am] Kris : it means VRUS is very weak against the market, nobody wants to pet that dog.
[08:05 am] Kris : not responding to market rallies
[08:05 am] Kris : not responding to market rallies
[08:34 am] Mitch : see that chart on the left, CRZO? when you have that high volatility very quickly, there are multiple chances to scalp those.
[08:35 am] Mitch : and with this pattern when you see a fast drop, then a fast rebound, i start looking for what has happened in the last hour, a descent that gives up most of the gains of the fast rebound
[08:41 am] Mitch : here is another example similar to my comments to CRZO but this is MOS, Mosaic this morning, lot of initial volatility usually means you can keep looking for more trades of it
[08:42 am] Mitch : and then you see same pattern with another stock in same sector, POT
[08:42 am] Mitch : just a reminder, keep looking for more trades in the same stock that gave a big one, like SHW did earlier that Brent posted
[08:43 am] Mitch : it should be a habit of yours like doing your laundry or taking a shower. hopefully you do those things
[08:44 am] Kris : ALB setting up for a short
[08:44 am] Mitch : ALB going to be a good short, look at volume and price
[08:44 am] Mitch : beat you kris[08:45 am] Mitch : no sell signal yet, just earliest one on 1 min but not strong enough
[08:47 am] Mitch : but still looks strong though, I'm waiting longer
[08:47 am] Mitch : first signal in ALB on 1 min chart
[08:47 am] Mitch : ok better signal developing on short of ALB
[08:48 am] Mitch : ok strong, ALB still strong
[08:48 am] Mitch : when they are strong, focus on 2 or 3 min chart,
[08:49 am] Mitch : if you use a 1 min chart on a really bullish stock for a short signal, going to get a lot more false alarms
[08:57 am] Mitch : i think that Art Cashin is the smartest guy on TV when it comes to shorter term interpretation and forecasting of the market
[09:32 am] Kris : if you got it, lock in some profit and get ahead of the trade.
[09:32 am] Kris : not at this price eyes, it was borderline around 32.30's.
[10:50 am] Kris : FSLR ALERT
[10:50 am] Kris : thanks rustoleum[10:50 am] Kris : watching FSLR for a long
[10:58 am] Kris : FSLR long
[11:39 am] Mitch : hard to tell what the market is going to do on any or no news from Europe tomorrow. UK released a headline that Finance ministers are not meeting on Wednesday
[11:39 am] Mitch : which is the reason why stocks might be down today
[11:57 am] Kris : break time. be back in 30.
[12:03 pm] Mitch : you guys know that the stocks I show on projector are ones I'm interested in? occasionally i forget to announce it, like the POT. been watching it for a while, too late to buy now, was trying to sync that with the indexes, which it did very well
[12:04 pm] Mitch : both at 1140am pacific time
[12:04 pm] Mitch : see the crosshairs on both carts, correspond with same candle on bottom
[12:04 pm] Mitch : both at 1140am pacific time
[01:00 pm] Brent : have a great night, see you in the morning
[01:00 pm] Kris : goodnight everyone. see you all back here tomorrow morning.
[01:25 pm] Mitch : you guys looking at AMZN?
[06:00 am] boomboom : Hope someone in here was short NFLX yesterday.
[06:07 am] shark : die, NFLX, die! Target $50
[06:07 am] boomboom : Are you short, Shark?
[06:07 am] shark : The MEAT of the drop is nearing its end and it could be very CHOPPY here
[06:07 am] shark : Been short since the first gap down
[06:08 am] boomboom : Gooooooorgeous, Shark. Way to have patience. :)
[06:08 am] shark : I was not in last night.
[06:08 am] shark : I was actually slightly bullish on earnings which beat by .22cents
[06:08 am] shark : BUT they guided down...
[06:08 am] shark : Clearly the TREND on this is down.
[06:08 am] shark : and it is Ferocious...
[06:10 am] shark : so...my longer term target is $50 -based on about PE15 - for a "mature" co.
[06:11 am] shark : will have to recalculate that after today
[06:18 am] joeytsa : consumer confidence at 7am pst[06:20 am] joeytsa : gap down : NFLX,SINA,BHP,VECO,MMM
[06:20 am] doji : S at 116.23 yesterday although only a small amount
[06:21 am] joeytsa : gap up: CSTR,DGX,FTNT
[06:22 am] joeytsa : CMI,MMM bad earnings...good thing the economy has picked up
[06:28 am] joeytsa : i think i read that europe might push back decision again..will try to confirm that
[06:30 am] rusty : SCSS downgraded to neutral from buy
[06:32 am] skydiver : L NFLX 74.70
[06:34 am] skydiver : yes
[06:34 am] skydiver : out 1/2
[06:34 am] skydiver : L 74.70 sold 76.22
[06:35 am] joeytsa : CSTR with the gap close :)
[06:35 am] joeytsa : UPL nice leg down
[06:36 am] joeytsa : follow stop down on NFLX
[06:37 am] joeytsa : smart advice Kris, thanks for the reminder
[06:37 am] shark : NFLX new lod[06:37 am] joeytsa : yeah shark, see if it takes out the 73.50 level
[06:39 am] shark : NO eurozone finance meeting tomorrow
[06:39 am] shark : consider AAPL short below $400
[06:40 am] skydiver : AAPL SINA AMZN dropping
[06:40 am] joeytsa : just got stopped on my biggest ES trade of the year...1243 down to 1229 !!!!
[06:41 am] shark : Wow!
[06:42 am] ppann : Joey!!!!!!You the man
[06:42 am] joeytsa : nice 10 minute day :) just imagine if i had done the shark short on NFLX haha[06:42 am] jewels0 : Thanks for the RIMM call guys
[06:43 am] ppann : lol i got 1252 down to 1230...18 cars.....shhhh[06:44 am] joeytsa : so busy watching the ES i missed the bounce in CSTR...it's getting toppy again
[06:44 am] shark : AAPL finding support at $400
[06:44 am] joeytsa : NFLX with a lower high
[06:44 am] scalpman : Out 1/2 TNA L
[06:45 am] joeytsa : FSLR weak on that last bounce..look for more downside
[06:45 am] doji : TZA
[06:46 am] rusty : SPEX radar
[06:46 am] rusty : big move low volume
[06:46 am] ppann : cvrd SFSF at 25.25 from 25.97.....700 shares....now i sit on my spread and watch the market for a while..
[06:46 am] joeytsa : missed nice move in NOV..keep it on the watchlist[06:47 am] scalpman : Out another 1/4 TNA L
[06:47 am] rusty : EU LEADERS' SUMMITS WILL TAKE PLACE TOMORROW, U.K. SAYS
[06:47 am] scalpman : All out TNA L
[06:47 am] joeytsa : ANF hod[06:48 am] joeytsa : thanks rusty..that's probably what cause the quick spike on the ES
[06:49 am] lightning : watching UA for a short opportunity
[06:52 am] joeytsa : UA reports earnings today
[06:52 am] shark : volume drying up on my 5 min NFLX chart
[06:52 am] joeytsa : tighten stop on NOV if you are in
[06:52 am] rusty : SPEX hard to borrow
[06:54 am] joeytsa : GMCR nice trend down
[06:54 am] rusty : KMB hod... people using toilet paper again
[06:54 am] joeytsa : FOSL punching thru prev cl
[06:56 am] joeytsa : UA turned, see if find support
[06:56 am] mhaus : TGI
[06:56 am] boomboom : Nice call on SHW short, Brent..couldn't grab is fast enough
[06:57 am] joeytsa : X was over $60 earlier in the year, now struggling under $25
[06:58 am] joeytsa : UA held support and trying for hod[06:58 am] rusty : NFLX rsi 22
[06:59 am] lisas : consumer confidence at 10 am est[06:59 am] joeytsa : rusty: rsi = reduced subscriber index for them
[07:00 am] joeytsa : GMCR lod[07:00 am] rusty : everyone liked it at 300
[07:00 am] mikewd2 -: anyone long NFLX?
[07:00 am] anthonyb : CRZO got .01 from my stop. Sheez...
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: 39.8 confidence
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: way down from august
[07:01 am] rusty : vs 46 expected
[07:02 am] scalpman : Out 1/3 SHW S
[07:03 am] rusty : MF not happy
[07:03 am] rusty : looks like someone thinking bankruptcy
[07:04 am] joeytsa : I'm sure more than 1 someone
[07:04 am] joeytsa : GS pushing for lod[07:04 am] anthonyb : who? 's short the ES? Joey? Ppann?
[07:05 am] joeytsa : no, i missed that last drop
[07:06 am] joeytsa : UFS looks ugly, lower vol stock
[07:06 am] joeytsa : trail UA long
[07:07 am] shark : Analyst Montgomery Scott - NFLX est $51 price target
[07:07 am] boomboom : Mitch...target on that DGX short?
[07:07 am] anthonyb : Thanks Mitch. Will do
[07:08 am] scalpman : All out SHW great one Kris
[07:08 am] rusty : MF - "Man Overboard"
[07:09 am] apple : how low can it go???
[07:10 am] ppann : long es at 32.75
[07:10 am] ppann : 1/3 position
[07:10 am] apple : lol - of course --
[07:11 am] shark : did you pick up an GMCR s, joey?
[07:11 am] observer : Metals at HOD
[07:11 am] rusty : IBM buyback
[07:12 am] ppann : scalpd +2 all out
[07:13 am] anthonyb : I'm done early today. ;-)
[07:14 am] joeytsa : yeah shark..shorted it at 70 covered 69
[07:14 am] anthonyb : like Joey says, I'll watch for fastballs down the middle
[07:14 am] joeytsa : amen...why swing at a pitch that's not over the plate
[07:15 am] rusty : JNPR alert
[07:15 am] rusty : JNPR alert
[07:16 am] joeytsa : AGQ hod[07:16 am] ppann : bulls must convert1239 on the ES
[07:16 am] eyes-inthenow : DV
[07:16 am] rusty : SPEX 2's
[07:17 am] joeytsa : NEM running
[07:19 am] shawnt4 : Nice call on CRZO short Mitch
[07:19 am] joeytsa : tighten AGQ stop if in
[07:19 am] rusty : JNPR hod[07:20 am] rusty : running on ISI data
[07:20 am] apple : thx rusty, L JNPR 22.95
[07:20 am] ppann : took half of my spread off +30 handles so far
[07:20 am] joeytsa : AGQ..90cents for the good guys :)
[07:22 am] scalpman : Out 3/5 ILMN L
[07:25 am] rusty : SPEX lod[07:26 am] scalpman : nwe hod on ILMN
[07:26 am] scalpman : Out 2/3 SHW L
[07:27 am] mbear : CMI
[07:27 am] scalpman : All out ILMN forgot to move up my limit...oh well.
[07:27 am] scalpman : All out SHW L
[07:28 am] mbear : THANKS for ILMN Kris
[07:29 am] victor51 : thanks Kris for ILMN
[07:29 am] observer : nice, Kris, ILMN
[07:29 am] joeytsa : gold miners had a nice run
[07:29 am] apple : thx for ILMN, K
[07:31 am] mikewd2 -: SHW turning over
[07:31 am] lightning : still hanging onto my last 1/4 ILMN. You never know.
[07:32 am] sonorant : out all ILMN, what a run, thanks Kris
[07:32 am] eyes-inthenow : Did anyone get DV very nice
[07:34 am] lightning : out my last ILMN
[07:36 am] Kris : good job matt
[07:36 am] Kris : thanks for holding some for me
[07:37 am] lightning : no problem. 1/4 of a share was worth about an extra 5 cents
[07:37 am] klas : Thanks for ILMN Kris
[07:37 am] ronfrac : Kris: In ILMN 28.87 out late 30.56. Thanks
[07:38 am] rusty : UIA radar
[07:38 am] rusty : UIS pardon
[07:39 am] rusty : UIS running on earnings beat
[07:41 am] eyes-inthenow : DV perfect V
[07:42 am] chinhngo : i have short crm mon cam can i still hold it or buy cover please help
[07:43 am] lisas : chin, did you use stops?, when did you enter?
[07:44 am] apple : +2 on ILMN - thx K
[07:45 am] Kris : let's take one at a time chinhngo[07:45 am] Kris : what price are you short CRM and do you have a full position?
[07:55 am] lisas : selling puts on nflx shortly after open would have been very profitable. Not trading options yet myself, just an observation.
[08:03 am] jsn13 : Kris did u go in to NFLX juz now?
[08:03 am] derns : NFLX...setting up for a 3 min fade?
[08:03 am] khall : okay, can I ask a newbie question
[08:03 am] pmarvel : What does it mean VRUS has fleas?
[08:04 am] apple : as i said before, K how do you know VRUS has fleas?
[08:04 am] khall : When we go into positions in the am, I am jumping out too early I think . Do we get guidance in and out of positions or are we kind of using our own judgement to exit?
[08:05 am] pmarvel : Oh I see.
[08:05 am] trvlntrdr : khall sometimes they warn you on some positions but you should not rely on that.
[08:05 am] trvlntrdr : because they can't hold our hand on everything.
[08:05 am] trvlntrdr : make sure you study mitch's courses
[08:06 am] lisas : khall, generally try for 1% first target, also look at support and resistance
[08:06 am] trvlntrdr : and the webinars if you attended
[08:06 am] ronfrac : short ILMN, ARUN
[08:06 am] apple : right, trv and lisa -- khall ultimately you make the decisions.
[08:06 am] lisas : Webinar is best, see if they plan on selling DVD's or access for people that missed it
[08:06 am] khall : I've watched the webinars - most of them
[08:07 am] khall : I really wish they'd do the dvd[08:07 am] khall : I keep going back and reviewing!
[08:07 am] khall : thanks for the answers :-)
[08:07 am] apple : khall - web 4,5,6 explain the strategies and where stops should be and when to get out
[08:08 am] boomboom : SHW finally cracking
[08:08 am] trvlntrdr : unfortunately this is not an exact science and the market doesn't perform as desired even for the masters
[08:09 am] mhaus : ALB
[08:09 am] lisas : Keeping the set ups/ entries/stops from webinars nearby initially until you have them memorized. focus on just a few trades to start. Far more ideas will be posted than you can trade, so pick and choose.
[08:10 am] khall : right
[08:10 am] khall : I'm going to have to review webinar again tonight
[08:10 am] khall : even so, I'm batting about 60%
[08:11 am] khall : but I lost way more on one trade today than I should have - my own fault, I knew better
[08:11 am] lisas : well, that very good, keep it up.
[08:12 am] khall : being in here really helps a whole lot though
[08:12 am] khall : now to figure out what is up with my ninjatrader[08:12 am] khall : it's frustrating bcuz prices on there don't always match IB
[08:15 am] sonorant : khalll, are you using kinetick as a data provider?
[08:16 am] ronfrac : Looks like indexes turning up covered ARUN and ILMN for small profit
[08:17 am] jsn13 : Kris were u in NFLX juz now?
[08:17 am] boomboom : Neg ( NXPI ) - GOOGLE CANCELS NFC STRATEGY
[08:17 am] Kris : I took a trade on it earlier jsn, I'm out now
[08:18 am] jsn13 : Did u post an alert?
[08:18 am] Kris : [07:45 am] Kris : NFLX new hod[08:18 am] pmarvel : AMD alert
[08:18 am] jsn13 : so at that point means u were already in or how did u trade NFLX?
[08:19 am] pmarvel : AMG sorry
[08:19 am] Kris : that was my trade. I didn't feel confident posting a trade alert on it. I don't post every single trade I take every day in the room.
[08:19 am] jsn13 : Ok thanks....
[08:19 am] trvlntrdr : i think NFLX is losing its oomph for this am
[08:23 am] eyes-inthenow : TSO
[08:26 am] eyes-inthenow : SLM
[08:26 am] scalpman : ALB L @ 48.58 out 4/5
[08:26 am] scalpman : Sorry....late to post...
[08:27 am] mhaus : UA
[08:27 am] scalpman : All out ALB
[08:28 am] scalpman : thanks mhaus...good one.
[08:29 am] mhaus : just scalped GMCR. L68, out 68.75
[08:31 am] ronfrac : ilmn breaking up
[08:31 am] scalpman : ALB S @ 49.00
[08:31 am] mhaus : no, too dangerous for me
[08:32 am] scalpman : ALB strong...tightening stop...
[08:33 am] scalpman : stopped....
[08:34 am] mhaus : scalpman, ALB is in an uptrend. All indicators point upwards.
[08:34 am] apple : scalp, i was thinking this morning how much i loved Lake Forest!
[08:34 am] scalpman : but ALB still toppy, that was a last gasp maybe...I will watch...
[08:34 am] mhaus : why short?
[08:34 am] mhaus : look at the 3M chart
[08:34 am] scalpman : Probably will consolidate for a while....should have thought of that earlier.
[08:35 am] scalpman : So much for consolidation on ALB....
[08:35 am] joeytsa : AGQ hod[08:36 am] joeytsa : thanks for ALB scalp
[08:37 am] mhaus : BTU
[08:37 am] scalpman : Riding up ALB from 49.70
[08:38 am] scalpman : Out 3/5 ALB 1%
[08:39 am] scalpman : Out another 1/5 ALB L
[08:41 am] scalpman : All out ALB wow....
[08:41 am] joeytsa : beautiful chart Mitch
[08:41 am] candelas : nice scalp
[08:42 am] apple : thx MK - very helpful
[08:43 am] joeytsa : thank you for the reminders...always know what to do, just don't always do what i know :)
[08:44 am] joeytsa : ALB still rockin' it
[08:44 am] joeytsa : just wear your clothes while you shower..kill 2 birds with 1 stone :)
[08:45 am] Brent : that's what wives are for
[08:47 am] scalpman : SLB S @ 51.95
[08:48 am] scalpman : stopped in the green
[08:48 am] scalpman : ALB
[08:48 am] scalpman : OUt EVEN ALB
[08:48 am] scalpman : It is strong....
[08:49 am] joeytsa : AMZN lod[08:50 am] mhaus : all out ALB @52
[08:51 am] apple : nice nhaus[08:52 am] rusty : Merrill downgrades NFLX
[08:52 am] mhaus : Thx. Done for the day. Going in SIM mode.
[08:52 am] Kris : lol Merrill
[08:53 am] joeytsa : how timely of them
[08:53 am] joeytsa : i hereby downgrade WorldCom and enron :)
[08:56 am] joeytsa : NVS big spikes
[08:57 am] rusty : NVS rumored to have received subpoena
[08:58 am] joeytsa : thanks rusty
[08:58 am] scalpman : ALB S @ 52.00
[08:59 am] scalpman : OUt 3/5 ALB S 1%
[08:59 am] pandozzi : gotta love art'
[08:59 am] observer : I agree, Mitch. He's sharp.
[09:02 am] joeytsa : agreed Mitch, Art is one of only a handful of guys i think grasp things
[09:02 am] scalpman : All out ALB....last stop in the green...
[09:02 am] joeytsa : SINA taking a dump
[09:02 am] sonorant : I have gotten eaten alive on ALB
[09:03 am] joeytsa : AGQ still strong
[09:03 am] scalpman : Probably too tight, but with this stock today it could run up again.
[09:03 am] derns : Thx..he does call it the way it is...a good umpire
[09:04 am] joeytsa : yeah, i don't want someone to sugarcoat things
[09:05 am] rusty : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-25/nova rtis-s-alcon-unit-got-u-s-subpoena-on-marketi ng-payments.html
[09:05 am] rusty : NVS
[09:06 am] pmarvel : Where should be ALB sell signal? Stoch up on 2 or 1 min chart?
[09:06 am] scalpman : Time to go...I have to depart at 11:00ish. Another positive day...5 for 6.... Thanks for all the good recos..[09:08 am] lightning : out 1/2 ALB short
[09:08 am] scalpman : Thanks all...you too....love this room and am appreciative of all the good folks here.
[09:08 am] trvlntrdr : The sad thing is, Germany, UK and France aren't in good shape financially either. they just can still make payments on debt
[09:08 am] dano : GM everyone...S ALB 51.3
[09:09 am] joeytsa : terrible shape...i think the euro is doomed..just don't see a plan that will work right now
[09:09 am] Mitch : hi dano, that sure is late on the ALB short entry, just have very big stop loss from that price
[09:10 am] dano : roger that, thnx M
[09:10 am] joeytsa : i read that if we paid back our debt at the rate of $1000/second....it would take close to 300 yrs to pay it off
[09:10 am] dano : have a SL at 51.83 currently
[09:11 am] mikewd2 -: might not be big enough
[09:12 am] trvlntrdr : my understanding, is that none of the countries are keeping the agreements to be financially sound for the Euro
[09:12 am] trvlntrdr : that none of them would be permitted to join the euro now
[09:13 am] joeytsa : original plan was for yearly budgets to NOT exceed 3% of GDP
[09:13 am] joeytsa : some are between 10-32% right now
[09:14 am] trvlntrdr : yep
[09:14 am] joeytsa : FOSL with a nice move
[09:18 am] pmarvel : Where should I look for ALB short exit ?
[09:19 am] joeytsa : in this area i think
[09:19 am] joeytsa : indis hooking up
[09:20 am] joeytsa : pmarvel, i didnt catch your entry price
[09:20 am] pandozzi : grabbed a buck on alb short thx guys
[09:20 am] pmarvel : 51.85
[09:20 am] Mitch : good job pandozz[09:21 am] joeytsa : lock that profit pmarvel, or at least trail it to the profit zone
[09:21 am] Mitch : marvel, ALB is very strong and is a stock i would look for repeated scalps but you have to be precise on your entries
[09:22 am] pmarvel : Exit at 51.55 paper trade
[09:22 am] joeytsa : AGQ still moving hod[09:24 am] joeytsa : on your first "live" trade, use a small position so you can get that emotional tie to the trade
[09:24 am] pmarvel : Whoa ALB shot up, lucky me!
[09:24 am] joeytsa : you'll learn more from 1 REAL trade than from 10 sim trades....
[09:24 am] joeytsa : but sim is GREAT to learn your technique with
[09:25 am] dano : ...back to the drawing board. Thought a week off to regroup would help...I suppose not...LOL. Just not my time yet.
[09:25 am] joeytsa : only problem is that you lose real money when things go wrong :)
[09:25 am] joeytsa : what happened dano[09:25 am] ronfrac : Mitch: CRZO in 400@26.46 out 26.97 Thanks good one
[09:26 am] joeytsa : nice ron[09:26 am] apple : nice ronfrac[09:26 am] pandozzi : nice trade
[09:26 am] joeytsa : what got into the gold sector today
[09:26 am] eyes-inthenow : ILMN looking good
[09:26 am] dano : shorted alb, late I suppose and got stopped. Thought it would go well as I watched the SPY go down..alb then spiked up...LOL wow.
[09:26 am] joeytsa : that face that euope is kaput? :)
[09:27 am] eyes-inthenow : Kris would you consider Fade ILMN HERE
[09:28 am] joeytsa : unless you are quick, those trades can be tricky
[09:30 am] dano : it seems when I enter immediate on some, I get belted. When I wait to be more sure of the move, I enter and then get belted. Right now, can't win to save my...
[09:30 am] joeytsa : closing out AGQ gain...nice trend up
[09:30 am] pmarvel : I exited ALB by Joey's advice. What is the signal actually?
[09:31 am] eyes-inthenow : Any thoughts on ILMN Joey
[09:31 am] lisas : dano, what helped my trade a lot, is NOT entering when the post, but making sure I have a clear signal via the set ups. If I miss it, I wait for next trade
[09:31 am] joeytsa : i won't be shorting ILMN
[09:31 am] ronfrac : ILMN in avg 31.20 out 400 at avg 31.93. Thanks to someone. One of my favorite stocks
[09:31 am] joeytsa : might look to buy it on next support test
[09:32 am] dano : looked at my indicators and looked good to enter
[09:32 am] apple : good advice, lisa -- if I miss it, there is always another trade to take
[09:33 am] eyes-inthenow : I did not get it
[09:33 am] joeytsa : shorting strong stocks can be tough
[09:33 am] joeytsa : might want to avoid that for now and just buy dips on stocks moving up or shorting stocks moving down
[09:34 am] joeytsa : look at GMCR...
[09:34 am] joeytsa : just trending down
[09:35 am] dano : was ready to get back on the horse after last week. Thrown to the ground again. Time to dust off and re-think this mess.
[09:35 am] mikewd2 -: dano: I've had a rough couple of weeks also.
[09:35 am] mikewd2 -: it happens
[09:35 am] sonorant : dano,d I know the feeling. I was doing great early on, and then I hit ALB.
[09:35 am] mikewd2 -: went back to old habits - which really cost me a lot of money.
[09:36 am] sonorant : I'm often slow to recognize chop
[09:36 am] apple : take a deep breath, dano and try to regroup. Be cautious, choosey and most of all, patient -- esp. w/yourself
[09:36 am] mikewd2 -: really need to spend the weekend reviewing the webinar again.
[09:36 am] joeytsa : AGQ was another multi-signal buy on the upmove[09:37 am] dano : at 8% acct drawdown. Kinda hurts trying to regain and ya keep gettin' the golden frying pan
[09:37 am] lisas : do you guys have platforms that show your trades on the chart, review those every night to see what you could do better, what you did right, etc[09:37 am] joeytsa : cut that down to a lower % if you can
[09:37 am] khall : check out mpc chart
[09:38 am] mikewd2 -: i know my mistakes - being STUPID
[09:38 am] dano : ...yea, I've been viewing the webs too. At this point I think it's mostly mental.
[09:38 am] mikewd2 -: mine too dano[09:38 am] joeytsa : same here
[09:38 am] mikewd2 -: i bet way too much on TZA
[09:38 am] eyes-inthenow : Dano 80% mental 20% strategies
[09:38 am] joeytsa : if i did the correct thing, but still take a loss..i just blow it off
[09:39 am] joeytsa : if i make a mistake, that's when it throws me off
[09:39 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, you can't argue with that joey.
[09:39 am] joeytsa : losing trades are a part of this biz
[09:39 am] mikewd2 -: i'm in a major hitting slump
[09:39 am] joeytsa : put your trade on, set your target/loss...should stop any fear
[09:40 am] dano : sometimes I just don't know what was right and what was wrong. Not a good place to be. Keeps you guessing which is not good.
[09:40 am] joeytsa : i have been on a roll...which usually sets me up for something stupid
[09:40 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, the stop has been part of my problem. I was getting so good with that and then went away.
[09:40 am] joeytsa : it's one of Mitch's rules
[09:41 am] joeytsa : you have to have rules for stops..and keep them
[09:41 am] joeytsa : if you break 1 rule and it costs you learn...
[09:41 am] dano : I can say this, you guys here do help me keep my head above water. It's inspiring. Gonna go off to work and ponder the move.
[09:41 am] joeytsa : if you break 1 rule and it works in your favor, you end up breaking more rules
[09:41 am] joeytsa : keep the faith dano[09:42 am] dano : sure is tough now, joey
[09:42 am] joeytsa : mike: you have gotten better with stops though
[09:42 am] joeytsa : been there, still get there from time to time
[09:45 am] sonorant : my biggest problem is looking at a chart and thinking I see a pattern and acting accordingly, and then discovering that it was not the pattern. Sometimes I didn't look at a bigger chunk of the chart -- just saw a little piece. Usually, if I were to back out and give the chart the entire screen I would have a different perspective. But I don't always do that.
[09:45 am] eyes-inthenow : Joey you use hard or mental
[09:46 am] pandozzi : looks like alb is sitting in this trading range. up or down from here?
[09:46 am] joeytsa : hard on anything i swing/hold...3% of total account value
[09:46 am] eyes-inthenow : how about day
[09:46 am] dano : yea son, I am always looking at the diff timeframes for that perspective.
[09:46 am] joeytsa : both on daytrades[09:46 am] joeytsa : usually
[09:46 am] sonorant : pandozzi, or sideways? I didn't see it was sideways nearly soon enough.
[09:47 am] joeytsa : most are mental...i do the eyeball-scan technique :)
[09:47 am] sonorant : though you are right, it will be up or down eventually
[09:47 am] eyes-inthenow : Look at ILMN I read it ok
[09:47 am] joeytsa : i also use a monthly stop loss
[09:47 am] eyes-inthenow : just didn't trade
[09:48 am] joeytsa : all accounts have a 10% total account stop each month
[09:48 am] joeytsa : i figure that if it hits that, my trading is wayyy off
[09:49 am] sonorant : that is smart joey
[09:49 am] dano : that's where I set mine at joey..gettin' darn close to that %
[09:49 am] pmarvel : Is SHW trending down?
[09:49 am] joeytsa : even if i lost that 10% each month....that buys me a heck of a lot of time to get a nice winner
[09:50 am] joeytsa : but it gives me a closer stop loss each month, which forces me to be more selective
[09:51 am] dano : well I think I will just have to stop the train. Maybe monitor TSA along with the market and wait for a good swing set up to help replenish the damage
[09:52 am] joeytsa : the %basis makes each month loss lower in worst case scenario
[09:52 am] candelas : Hans on watch
[09:52 am] dano : ...although that's been great too...LOL. Sheesh...
[09:52 am] apple : that sounds like a good plan, dano, and study and learn... hang in there
[09:53 am] joeytsa : UA looks a little weak on that last bump up
[09:53 am] joeytsa : yeah dano..take your time
[09:53 am] joeytsa : put all of the odds on your side...i love that Mitch says that EVERY night
[09:54 am] dano : biggest issue I think is timing. Seems to be a day late and a dollar (or two) short
[09:55 am] joeytsa : keep at it..it will come
[09:55 am] eyes-inthenow : My biggest problem is not trading even dollar amounts
[09:56 am] dano : Ok guys, off to get the icepack again. thanks for all the support. It really means a ton...kinda gets ya a little misty eyed..lol. You guys rock. Peace out and kick some for me.
[09:56 am] joeytsa : have a great one dano[09:56 am] Kris : have a good one dano[09:56 am] joeytsa : i do that too
[09:57 am] boomboom : OPEN nhod[09:59 am] pmarvel : ALB shortable on top of this bounce?
[10:00 am] joeytsa : not enough profit for me on that
[10:00 am] pmarvel : OK
[10:01 am] joeytsa : doesn't mean you can't take it
[10:02 am] eyes-inthenow : DM
[10:02 am] eyes-inthenow : DMND sorry
[10:02 am] boomboom : VRUS kicking off some of those fleas
[10:02 am] duckfan : TEVA
[10:03 am] joeytsa : pmarvel: what i look at might be different than what you or someone else might be looking at..in terms of a profit
[10:03 am] candelas : selling 3/4 of Hans 87.93
[10:04 am] candelas : stop b/e 87.38
[10:04 am] joeytsa : VRUS made a nice correcting
[10:08 am] joeytsa : pmarvel, re:ALB , i DO like that chart pattern of lower highs to put a short on, along with the overbought stochs signal
[10:09 am] pandozzi : im short @ 52
[10:15 am] boomboom : Got short at 52, as well, Pandozii[10:15 am] boomboom : here's to a death drop on ALB
[10:20 am] boomboom : Covered my ALB at 51.85 for $15, bcuz that's the kinda wimp this girl is ;)
[10:20 am] joeytsa : sure beats a $15 loss
[10:21 am] eyes-inthenow : DMND any thoughts
[10:21 am] pandozzi : i got 2000 shares open still
[10:21 am] pandozzi : I'm crazy though
[10:21 am] boomboom : Crazy, brave, gutsy, full of chutzpah..yep, at 2,000 shares, you're a tiger.
[10:21 am] pandozzi : you tiger now
[10:22 am] boomboom : I hope it dies. I'll put a stick in its spokes for ya. Head over handle bars. ;)
[10:23 am] candelas : im out all of Hans
[10:23 am] pandozzi : i think if we can make a low below 51.65ish it will drop
[10:25 am] boomboom : I agree
[10:25 am] boomboom : FN found it's bottom maybe
[10:25 am] boomboom : its
[10:27 am] sonorant : candels, was the last of your HANS set at B/E? I went in on it on the first green candle and then got cold feet when it went down again, and didn't get back in a timely fashion. But the example really helps. What is a good set up, what is worth trading, [10:28 am] candelas : yes
[10:28 am] sonorant : thanks for the details of the trade. great teaching example.
[10:28 am] lightning : CW spiking
[10:29 am] sonorant : all you ALB people, I have an alert line set at 52. 21, and another alert line set at 51.13. And I am not touching it until one of those alerts fires, and then I will look at it.
[10:29 am] rusty : Fabrinet today announced that as of approximately 11:00PM Saturday night, Bangkok time, flood waters had infiltrated the offices and manufacturing floorspace at its Chokchai campus in Pathum Thani, Thailand. The manufacturing buildings at Chokchai, known as buildings 1 and 2, remain filled with water to a level of approximately 3.5 feet.
[10:30 am] rusty : FN bottom is underwater so to speak
[10:31 am] lightning : Funny, it only took FN 3 days (1 1/2 trading days) to make that announcement
[10:31 am] Kris : I guess they don't have to worry about it still being a sweat shop
[10:31 am] Brent : lol[10:32 am] boomboom : Thanks for the FN info..
[10:37 am] sonorant : ALB up
[10:37 am] pandozzi : missed that long on alb[10:38 am] mikewd2 -: FSLR
[10:38 am] boomboom : Gee wiz, ALB
[10:39 am] boomboom : whoa, FSLR..bad news??
[10:39 am] boomboom : CEO of FSLR resigns
[10:40 am] pow : fslr tanking
[10:40 am] candelas : it was no shares for short
[10:41 am] boomboom : a moment of silence for those that were long on FSLR
[10:41 am] sonorant : GMCR heading down
[10:41 am] khall : okay, that made me laugh
[10:42 am] derns : With no shares to short, does that offer a chance for a nice, but brief rebound at some point?
[10:43 am] lightning : HANS dropping, setting up for a bounce I think
[10:43 am] rusty : FSLR alert
[10:50 am] mikewd2 -: 3min fade
[10:52 am] doji : FSLR not yet
[10:53 am] mikewd2 -: be patient
[10:56 am] doji : L half here
[10:58 am] mikewd2 -: L 47.60
[11:01 am] sonorant : HANS starting to turn
[11:03 am] rusty : MHS radar
[11:03 am] mikewd2 -: head fake on HANS
[11:03 am] pandozzi : riding this alb short
[11:04 am] boomboom : Way to go, Pandozzi[11:04 am] mikewd2 -: we should get a bounce in FSLR at some point
[11:04 am] mikewd2 -: right?
[11:05 am] trvlntrdr : FSLR knows something we don't
[11:05 am] qwert : fslr replacing ceo[11:05 am] trvlntrdr : I bet the F word is involved.
[11:05 am] rusty : FSLR firm support at zero
[11:05 am] mikewd2 -: first real bounce maybe
[11:05 am] trvlntrdr : no one wants congress after them before election
[11:06 am] boomboom : Aren't FSLR earnings coming up?
[11:06 am] pandozzi : covered made .50
[11:07 am] joeytsa : nice trade pandozzi[11:08 am] pmarvel : FSLR in V pattern
[11:08 am] mikewd2 -: Kris, you back in FSLR?
[11:09 am] Kris : yes mike
[11:09 am] sonorant : I only got a fill of 1 share
[11:09 am] pmarvel : Let us know exit
[11:09 am] joeytsa : BIDU lod[11:10 am] Kris : running into resistance here, I would exit most and tighten stop here
[11:11 am] joeytsa : good call kris[11:11 am] apple : thx MK, K, B and everyone. Gotta leave early today - everyone have a fun evening.
[11:11 am] mikewd2 -: didn't someone want to buy FSLR back a few months ago?
[11:13 am] rusty : TLT hod[11:18 am] joeytsa : RRC lod[11:19 am] derns : Is anyone long FSLR?
[11:19 am] mikewd2 -: i am
[11:20 am] derns : It sure is moving slowly..I suspect those who shorted in the run down are waiting to cover
[11:21 am] joeytsa : AAPL lod[11:21 am] mikewd2 -: wish they would hurry up and cover, getting a bit worried.
[11:22 am] joeytsa : they might have covered on that rise to 48
[11:23 am] mikewd2 -: not enough shares i don't think
[11:23 am] mikewd2 -: although i tried to short and no shares
[11:23 am] joeytsa : UA tanking
[11:23 am] joeytsa : they were strong this morning..total 180
[11:24 am] joeytsa : might be profit taking b4 earnings?
[11:24 am] joeytsa : UA had 2 really nice run-up's since the Oct low
[11:27 am] mikewd2 -: wonder if FSLR is going to miss earnings expectations
[11:27 am] rusty : Citi out on FSLR
[11:27 am] rusty : negative of course
[11:27 am] joeytsa : or worse to made the guy quit
[11:28 am] mikewd2 -: he gets 2 years severance, not bad
[11:28 am] trvlntrdr : I suspect it is something bad with congress looking into them
[11:29 am] trvlntrdr : it isn't formal yet but I bet some aides are snooping around and FSLR has something to hide.
[11:29 am] joeytsa : a few yrs back, some guy got $100M severance, can't remember the full story
[11:29 am] joeytsa : this was after he ran the company into the ground
[11:30 am] joeytsa : AGQ hod[11:30 am] rusty : Dick Grasso, lol[11:30 am] trvlntrdr : I just don't get these severances after incompetence
[11:30 am] rusty : at the NYSE
[11:30 am] mikewd2 -: me either
[11:31 am] trvlntrdr : I can see a month's salary.. but 2 years
[11:32 am] rusty : IDXX alert
[11:32 am] rusty : moving down kinda fast but low volume
[11:32 am] rusty : forget it
[11:36 am] rusty : playing for bounces not so easy after market overbought and up 1500 points in couple of weeks
[11:36 am] rusty : and today first down day
[11:36 am] joeytsa : yeah rusty..
[11:38 am] joeytsa : as of last night, NYSE BPI, %above 30wk,%of 10wk were all on buy signals, in column of X's
[11:38 am] joeytsa : interesting to see where they land today...
[11:38 am] joeytsa : 78% of stocks above 10wk ma
[11:38 am] rusty : joey, did you see the NYMO as of last night?
[11:39 am] joeytsa : re: severance..i think it was Qwest where the guy got the $100M to leave
[11:39 am] joeytsa : glanced at it quick..didn't write it down
[11:40 am] joeytsa : you are talking about the mcclellan?
[11:40 am] rusty : http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NYMO&am p;p=W&yr=2&mn=0&dy=0& amp;amp;id=p51055034527
[11:40 am] rusty : 91.33
[11:40 am] rusty : pretty rare occurrence
[11:40 am] joeytsa : nasdaq mo up high too
[11:41 am] rusty : yup
[11:41 am] joeytsa : mcclellan i use for a longer term look usually
[11:42 am] joeytsa : i check them every night though
[11:42 am] hobart : T2108 @ 78%, or was
[11:42 am] rusty : http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$BPNYA&a mp;p=W&yr=2&mn=0&dy=0 &id=p06295236064
[11:42 am] rusty : NYSE Bullish %
[11:42 am] joeytsa : that's a good one also hobart, that's what Mitch looks at on the DSR
[11:43 am] hobart : yes
[11:43 am] joeytsa : i always look at the BPI...on a p&f chart
[11:43 am] rusty : PIPR defending FSLR
[11:46 am] mikewd2 -: defending the change in CEO? or earning? or ?[11:46 am] joeytsa : the FXE hasn't been able to get above the 140 level for a few weeks
[11:48 am] joeytsa : yeah Mitch...i just don't think they know what to do
[11:49 am] rusty : re CEO mostly mike
[11:50 am] rusty : management will not be making any comments until earnings
[11:51 am] joeytsa : combine europe with no answers and our consumer confidence #'s...things look ugly
[11:52 am] joeytsa : but there's always a bull market somewhere.....think i heard someone say that :)
[11:52 am] jsn13 : so u still holding on to ur tza mikewd2?
[11:53 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, but my average is a lot higher than were we are
[11:54 am] jsn13 : Why not juz get stopped out and reenter?
[11:54 am] mikewd2 -: would have been the smart thing to do
[11:54 am] joeytsa : what is this stopped out you speak of :)
[11:55 am] mikewd2 -: i've done bad things the last few days with no stops.
[11:55 am] joeytsa : interesting that TZA has weekly's but TNA doesn't
[11:55 am] mikewd2 -: I've actually looked at weeklies to sell calls on my TZA, but haven't yet
[11:55 am] joeytsa : when the market turns, TZA/options on it will be nice
[11:56 am] shawnt4 : Think we can find a couple of good trades in the last hour
[11:56 am] mikewd2 -: i was looking at them to try to get back even - bad idea
[11:56 am] joeytsa : stay alert shawn, might be a couple...
[11:57 am] joeytsa : my guess would be on stocks with earnings releases ah
[11:57 am] mikewd2 -: earnings overall haven't been that good
[11:57 am] rusty : Whitney Tilson buying NFLX
[11:57 am] joeytsa : i don't like ANZN's crappy run into earnings
[11:58 am] rusty : Tilson covered his NFLX short at the high
[11:58 am] joeytsa : will be watching AMZN,UA,COH
[11:58 am] joeytsa : for the last hour
[11:59 am] joeytsa : plus the stocks on the top riser/faller list
[11:59 am] rusty : http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/10/25/netflix -whitney-tilson-changes-his-mind/
[11:59 am] mhaus : WDR
[12:03 pm] mhaus : LII
[12:03 pm] sonorant : well, so much for WDR
[12:11 pm] pmarvel : Trailing stops should be set as how many %?
[12:13 pm] joeytsa : wish i had a good answer for you pmarvel[12:15 pm] joeytsa : i go by feel, s/r levels..some of the other traders here might have a much better use of them
[12:16 pm] pmarvel : I'm just finding out how to set trailing stops in IB's TWS.
[12:16 pm] lisas : Back from taking cats to vet, what fun!
[12:17 pm] sonorant : pmarvel, why are you using IB's TWS? Kris (and I think Brent) and many traders here are using NInja Trader with IB
[12:18 pm] trvlntrdr : TWS charting is bad
[12:18 pm] trvlntrdr : although order entry isn't terrible
[12:18 pm] trvlntrdr : NT is better everyone admits.
[12:19 pm] trvlntrdr : but if you don't have the money you can chart with NT for free
[12:20 pm] lisas : may be sell off into close today, bonds heading up
[12:20 pm] pmarvel : How Trv?
[12:20 pm] trvlntrdr : download NT at ninjatrader .com
[12:20 pm] pmarvel : Then?
[12:20 pm] trvlntrdr : then link it to IB
[12:21 pm] lisas : often doesn't firm up until 3:40 these days
[12:21 pm] joeytsa : ES turned down approx 12:08 est[12:21 pm] trvlntrdr : you have to do your order entry in TWS
[12:21 pm] joeytsa : down 5 points since
[12:21 pm] trvlntrdr : until you rent or buy NT
[12:22 pm] pmarvel : I did but every time I call up a symbol instrument error message hit me.
[12:22 pm] trvlntrdr : you do have to preload many small cap stocks into NT though
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : tighten stop on AMZN if in
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : closed AMZN, look to short again
[12:23 pm] joeytsa : SPY falling
[12:23 pm] trvlntrdr : well you can go for free to FINVIZ.com
[12:24 pm] trvlntrdr : put in parameters of stocks you want
[12:24 pm] mikewd2 -: TZA hod[12:24 pm] trvlntrdr : export the list to Excel file
[12:24 pm] trvlntrdr : copy and paste into NT
[12:24 pm] trvlntrdr : have to be grouped by stock exchange though
[12:25 pm] joeytsa : all of the momentum/darlings taking it on the chin today
[12:25 pm] trvlntrdr : use the import stock list function in NT
[12:25 pm] pmarvel : Can I use NT for real time charts?
[12:26 pm] trvlntrdr : yes if it is linked to IB
[12:26 pm] trvlntrdr : or pay for kinetick[12:26 pm] joeytsa : FSLR under $43
[12:26 pm] trvlntrdr : NT has free webinars every day
[12:26 pm] joeytsa : i mean 44
[12:27 pm] trvlntrdr : you'll find NT has a lot of help available for it
[12:28 pm] trvlntrdr : if you preload all the stock you want it will be fixed
[12:28 pm] trvlntrdr : and then you know if someone says buy XXX and you don't have it
[12:29 pm] trvlntrdr : it didn't meet your criteria anyway
[12:29 pm] trvlntrdr : Brent recommends updating the stock list 1/ week
[12:29 pm] rusty : It's been frustrating to see our original investment thesis validated, yet not profit from it. It certainly highlights the importance of getting the timing right and maintaining your conviction even when the market moves against you. The core of our short thesis was always Netflix's high valuation. In light of the stock's collapse, we now think it's cheap and today established a small long position. We hope it gets cheaper so we can add to it.
[12:30 pm] rusty : Tilson re NFLX
[12:30 pm] rusty : fwiw[12:31 pm] sonorant : again, easier after the fact
[12:31 pm] trvlntrdr : he sound like one of us
[12:31 pm] joeytsa : they want to add to positions when price goes down...i only want to add if the price goes up
[12:31 pm] rusty : except he covered his short at the NFLX high
[12:32 pm] derns : FSLR long...hopefully better than last time.
[12:33 pm] mikewd2 -: day or swing, derns[12:34 pm] derns : well..I was only going to have a intra-day trade, but I guess I'm open to thots. What do you think? I missed the details on the news of the CEO departure
[12:34 pm] trvlntrdr : you only have 30 min
[12:35 pm] mikewd2 -: i was thinking of swing a 200 for a few days, but a bit worried about EU, etc that might have effect
[12:35 pm] trvlntrdr : and there are a lot of people who only trade the last 10 min
[12:35 pm] mikewd2 -: issue is we don't just have to worry about FSLR
[12:35 pm] mikewd2 -: for a long
[12:36 pm] derns : yes...that EU thing concerns me as well...I will see how it runs up this last 25 mins..perhaps some exciting covering will occur.
[12:37 pm] trvlntrdr : I figured at least the EU would meet and say nothing on Wed
[12:37 pm] trvlntrdr : not even meeting is bad
[12:38 pm] mikewd2 -: that's what i think trvlntrdr, be surprised they have a solution.
[12:39 pm] sonorant : candels, are you willing to share what you traded today?
[12:39 pm] trvlntrdr : I think if they had a general solution they would have said it
[12:39 pm] mikewd2 -: wonder if that small long position by Whitney was 100 shares, haha[12:39 pm] mhaus : IIVI
[12:40 pm] trvlntrdr : the best theoretical ideas out there require restructuring the EU
[12:40 pm] Mitch : gold is up $52 today
[12:40 pm] derns : Mikewd2..that was my 100 shares...not his
[12:40 pm] trvlntrdr : I don't see that happening any time soon
[12:40 pm] candelas : here goes NFLX,AAPL,ILMN,Hans,ALB, last but not least FSLR
[12:40 pm] mikewd2 -: gold up, i hope is an indication of further downside in market
[12:41 pm] candelas : made a couple of errors in middle of the day but recovered nicely
[12:42 pm] mikewd2 -: also, lots of downgrades today from analyst
[12:43 pm] Mitch : the older gentleman really has gold fever, like buck fever when they see a deer
[12:44 pm] sonorant : candles, what were you entries and exits on ALB? the one that nailed me.
[12:44 pm] lisas : will have to watch that for sure!
[12:45 pm] mikewd2 -: VIX up 7.5% today, i like
[12:45 pm] lisas : new lows
[12:46 pm] mikewd2 -: SPY lod[12:47 pm] candelas : 52.17 and covered 51.52
[12:48 pm] candelas : time was 11:53 est covered 11:59
[12:50 pm] candelas : had an earlier entry that did not work short 50.91 @11:42est covered 51.21@ 11:43est
[12:51 pm] candelas : i lost real small but made out quite a bit
[12:52 pm] candelas : re:Sonorant[12:52 pm] sonorant : okay thanks, will bring up the chart
[12:54 pm] sonorant : kris -- how do you turn on the record feature in NT?
[12:54 pm] sonorant : and is it specific to individual stocks?
[12:56 pm] go4it : Any thoughts on taking NFLX home?
[12:58 pm] trvlntrdr : don't do it
[12:58 pm] derns : go4it...only my thots...I would pass
[12:59 pm] mikewd2 -: derns, what u doing with FSLR?
[01:00 pm] trvlntrdr : I like NFLX-- just not as an investment or swing trade!
[01:00 pm] sonorant : candles, how did you know NOT to go in on the other pair of green/red candles with similar tops? actually were two of them between your first entry and your second.
[01:01 pm] sonorant : I tried to go in when you did the first time, and then on successive pairs of green/reds. By the time the winning one came along I was so cautious that I had a horrible entry due to waiting.
[01:01 pm] mhaus : PNRA good earnings
[01:02 pm] candelas : are u speaking of 842 pst[01:02 pm] sonorant : 8:46-ish and8:50-ish
[01:02 pm] trvlntrdr : sonorant I got messed up by ALB too-- I am not sure why
[01:02 pm] trvlntrdr : but I will study it later
[01:02 pm] sonorant : yes pst[01:02 pm] candelas : i closed it out at 843pst
[01:03 pm] candelas : i reentered 853pst
[01:04 pm] sonorant : yes, but I went in again on the second red candle after you exited 11:48 your time. How did you know not to take that?
[01:05 pm] sonorant : also the 11:51 candle your time...
[01:05 pm] candelas : it was acting like a strong stock so I want to give it more room for better entry as well as high probability trade
[01:05 pm] lisas : amzn earnings oops
[01:05 pm] lisas : not reacting well to say the least
[01:06 pm] rusty : AMZN = NFLX the sequel?
[01:06 pm] rusty : [01:06 pm] lisas : nflx hard to beat
[01:06 pm] rusty : good point lisa[01:07 pm] rusty : AMZN big miss
[01:07 pm] candelas : the candle 1150 and 1151 was telling me that it was rejecting lower prices for that particular time
[01:07 pm] rusty : .14 v .24 expected
[01:08 pm] candelas : does that answer ur question Sonorant
[01:08 pm] lisas : guidance weak also
[01:09 pm] candelas : weak and weaker
[01:09 pm] sonorant : okay, that makes sense, but it didn't last...
[01:10 pm] sonorant : though in a sense it did last -- as these shorts go, it did not go down very much.
[01:10 pm] candelas : right, that's why I said it rejected lower prices for that particular time
[01:10 pm] sonorant : I think the other thing I need to really look at here is that it took about 50 minutes to run up.
[01:11 pm] sonorant : not 10 minutes.
[01:11 pm] candelas : I learned to give the strong stocks more time same for the weak ones, if they are not parabolic
[01:12 pm] sonorant : and you knew in advance it was strong because??
[01:12 pm] sonorant : length of time for run up? amount of run up?
[01:13 pm] candelas : the market was weak
[01:13 pm] sonorant : right, and market was weak
[01:13 pm] sonorant : so it was not just going to turn over and say 'die' at the first chance.
[01:14 pm] candelas : u have to take notice of how stock is performing
[01:14 pm] sonorant : okay -- meaning -- against the market?
[01:14 pm] candelas : sometimes it can croak on a dime with rest of the market other times it will contimue moving up
[01:15 pm] candelas : and eventually croak
[01:15 pm] candelas : this is where u have to clue in to vol[01:16 pm] candelas : and all of ur other clues
[01:16 pm] sonorant : Well at 8:47 there was a really nice run up in volume, but the candle was a doji[01:17 pm] candelas : I see doji at 845est
[01:18 pm] sonorant : right 8:45. I am off 1 minute from you and I should have subtracted, not added ;)
[01:18 pm] candelas : doji does not say long/short it is just a potential warning that tide could turn
[01:18 pm] candelas : potential is key word,
[01:18 pm] sonorant : okay, but then the volume tanked on the next candle...
[01:19 pm] candelas : it did, due to the potential warning sign of doji[01:19 pm] sonorant : and it was red --and down slightly
[01:19 pm] sonorant : really? the doji will cause the volume to drop
[01:19 pm] sonorant : that many people read it?
[01:20 pm] candelas : but buyers came in again
[01:20 pm] candelas : the doji does not cause it
[01:20 pm] sonorant : well, no, but people interpreting it could cause the volume to drop
[01:21 pm] candelas : its just a candle to signify that buyer/sellers are equal at that point, warning since buyers had been in control
[01:22 pm] candelas : so thinking is buyers have been in control and now all of a sudden buyers/sellers are =
[01:22 pm] sonorant : and enough people are aware of that they slow down?
[01:22 pm] sonorant : and think twice about buying more?
[01:22 pm] candelas : for people who read candles
[01:23 pm] candelas : even for people who don't and read the tape or level2
[01:23 pm] candelas : they see buyers drop off as well
[01:23 pm] sonorant : so it feeds on itself
[01:24 pm] sonorant : were you reading the tape at that point?
[01:24 pm] candelas : it could, that why just bcuz u see the doji does not mean go short or go long
[01:24 pm] candelas : u have to apply in the whole context be it indicators, price & vol, etc[01:25 pm] sonorant : right -- that is where experience comes in -- something I have in exceedingly short supply... lol[01:25 pm] candelas : yes indeed
[01:25 pm] sonorant : no Mitch -- going over the ALB trade, but yes, I have the AMZN chart up now!!!
[01:26 pm] candelas : thats why u should take a picture of as many charts as possible and study
[01:26 pm] candelas : sorry for taking up so much time Mitch
[01:26 pm] sonorant : well that is why I am going back over this one.
[01:26 pm] sonorant : Thanks candelas
[01:27 pm] candelas : anytime, hope it helped some
[01:27 pm] sonorant : tomorrow
[01:27 pm] sonorant : yes, it did, if I can last long enough, I will eventually put the pieces together. Thanks.
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