Chat Highlights From 10/24/2011

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[06:07 am] Brent : thanks Joey, good morning
[06:14 am] Kris : AEM, APKT, UAM, GT and CAT as possible short trades.
[06:14 am] Kris : good morning traders
[06:14 am] Kris : Today I'm watching EDR, GIS, GRMN, ARG, AMT, SODA, RIO and XLNX as possible long trades
[06:26 am] Kris : 3 Minutes. Time to Rock!
[06:30 am] Kris : CAT short half
[06:31 am] Kris : APKT short half
[06:31 am] Kris : SNDK long half
[06:31 am] Mitch : watching SINA for top
[06:32 am] Kris : HON long half
[06:32 am] Mitch : watching for top in LVS
[06:32 am] Mitch : watching for top on HUM
[06:33 am] Kris : JNPR long half
[06:34 am] Kris : COF long half
[06:34 am] Mitch : watching for top in COF
[06:34 am] Mitch : watching for top in UNH
[06:35 am] Kris : DECK long half
[06:36 am] Kris : out half SNDK long
[06:36 am] Mitch : consider covering LVS short scalp and look for 2nd helping later
[06:36 am] Mitch : WYNN also same as LVS, topping
[06:37 am] Mitch : consider covering SINA
[06:37 am] Mitch : watching SFSF for top
[06:38 am] Kris : out half DECK long
[06:38 am] Kris : SPY new hod[06:38 am] Mitch : watching HGSI for bottom
[06:39 am] Mitch : HUM turning over
[06:40 am] Kris : out half COF long
[06:41 am] Mitch : watching CI for bottom. in health category as UNH, HUM
[06:42 am] Kris : out half JNPR long
[06:42 am] Kris : starting to scan for weak stocks for if the markets pull back
[06:42 am] Mitch : no hurry to short 2nd helping shorts, could go higher
[06:43 am] Kris : out all DECK long
[06:43 am] Mitch : consider selling HGSI long or reducing most of long
[06:44 am] Kris : out another 1/4 COF long
[06:44 am] Mitch : CI bottoming
[06:44 am] Mitch : consider reducing HUM short; watching UNH for bottom to cover
[06:44 am] Mitch : missed VFC long, watching for top
[06:44 am] Mitch : monitor SINA for 2nd helping short
[06:45 am] Kris : SPY starting to turn over
[06:45 am] Mitch : FSLR top
[06:45 am] Mitch : watching ILMN for short, toppy
[06:46 am] Mitch : more downside on UNH, HUM turning over more
[06:46 am] Mitch : WYNN toppy
[06:47 am] Kris : GMCR long half
[06:48 am] Mitch : WRC toppy
[06:49 am] Kris : NFLX looking weak
[06:50 am] Mitch : CI trying to bounce
[06:52 am] Mitch : ANR turning over, consider short
[06:52 am] Mitch : looking for top in URBN for short
[06:56 am] Mitch : forget WRC short, no likey[06:57 am] Kris : GMCR new hod[06:58 am] Mitch : on this FSLR, you might consider grabbing first helping short around this 56.75 area here soon
[06:59 am] Kris : starting to look for a long in TNA soon
[06:59 am] Mitch : health care stocks really falling apart
[07:01 am] Kris : out half GMCR long
[07:05 am] Kris : out half HON long
[07:06 am] Kris : TNA long half
[07:06 am] Mitch : looking for top to short on LVLT
[07:07 am] Mitch : CI starting to turn up
[07:09 am] Kris : out another 1/4 GMCR long
[07:09 am] Kris : out half TNA long
[07:10 am] Kris : markets looking strong
[07:10 am] Kris : SPY about to test hod resistance
[07:10 am] Mitch : FOSL toppy
[07:11 am] Kris : out another 1/4 HON long
[07:12 am] Kris : SPY new hod[07:12 am] Mitch : analyst on CNBC says purchase for CI was good, buying health spring
[07:13 am] Kris : out another 1/4 TNA long
[07:13 am] Mitch : watching for URBN cowboy for 2nd helping short, like to wait if new high though
[07:14 am] Mitch : consider covering SFSF short here
[07:15 am] Kris : KMB looking weak
[07:15 am] Mitch : consider reducing CI long
[07:15 am] Mitch : watching SINA for 2nd helping short
[07:16 am] Kris : getting more green coming across the board, watch that trendline resistance.
[07:16 am] Mitch : consider reducing LVLT short
[07:18 am] Kris : out all TNA long
[07:18 am] Mitch : doubtful that the Groupon IPO Wednesday will be tradable,
[07:19 am] Mitch : CI might be stuck here
[07:19 am] Mitch : cover remaining LVLT short
[07:19 am] Mitch : ILMN top
[07:20 am] Mitch : aggressive and nimble trader for CI short
[07:20 am] Mitch : CI might be worth small short
[07:20 am] Mitch : late to see ILMN
[07:21 am] Kris : watching TZA for a long
[07:21 am] Mitch : watch NOV for 2nd helping short
[07:22 am] Mitch : my projector here in Trading Room not working
[07:23 am] Kris : TZA long half
[07:24 am] Mitch : EBAY toppy
[07:25 am] Mitch : SINA 2nd helping short soon
[07:27 am] Kris : out TZA, not acting right here
[07:27 am] Mitch : looking at ATI for short
[07:29 am] Kris : SPY new hod[07:44 am] Mitch : CI short not working; close short
[07:46 am] Mitch : possible 2nd helping short on SFSF
[07:47 am] Kris : I got out BE mike, I posted it
[07:47 am] Kris : watch for a breakout to new hod in SPY soon
[07:48 am] Kris : [07:27 am] Kris : out TZA, not acting right here
[08:06 am] Kris : SPY new hod[08:22 am] Mitch : watching MCP
[08:34 am] Mitch : mkt just trending up
[08:46 am] Mitch : the initial opportunity in shorting stocks this morning on scalps is over and the pattern is trending up and likely to continue, probably through Tuesday as well
[08:50 am] Kris : if we break this trendline we could get a pullback in the SPY to the 125 area
[08:50 am] Kris : SPY coming into trendline support
[08:58 am] Kris : welcome to the room khall[09:25 am] Brent : I don't see a trade here in SXCI boomboom[09:53 am] Mitch : looking for rebound in SPY, indexes
[09:56 am] Mitch : oil over $91 now
[10:29 am] Mitch : If you are looking for any trades, they would be micro trades on the long side, as in buying on dips
[10:29 am] Mitch : like we just saw with the SPY alert 22 minutes ago
[10:31 am] Mitch : the big moves, as usual, are in the first 90 minutes of the day. What you want to do is lower your expectations and try not to make any careless mistakes because this time of day is not good to make new bets
[10:43 am] Brent : SPY testing hod[10:48 am] Brent : SPY new hod[11:22 am] Mitch : another bounce, probably in TNA
[12:00 pm] Brent : VHC moving
[12:59 pm] Brent : have a great night, see you in the morning
[01:00 pm] Kris : goodnight everyone. see you in the morning.
[06:13 am] joeytsa : gap down: LO,SXCI,SHPGY
[06:14 am] joeytsa : gap up: CAT,EXEL,NFLX,SINA,WYNNWBMD,SILC,
[06:15 am] mikewd2 -: RNOW to be bought by Oracle
[06:16 am] joeytsa : ADLR,HS,RNOW,SEMG...all moving on acquisitions/buyouts
[06:19 am] joeytsa : was either reading or watching some stuff from "bears"..1 guy calling for DOW sub 4000 when all is said and done
[06:20 am] anthonyb : what year was this predicted/
[06:21 am] joeytsa : not sure if he mentioned it...but i think it seemed 2012-13
[06:22 am] joeytsa : Harry Dent was the dow 4000 guy..you can google him..also saw him on tv yesterday actually
[06:28 am] joeytsa : CAT reported decent earnings, but i think they had lowered them a few weeks back?
[06:28 am] mikewd2 -: CAT positive comments on 2012
[06:30 am] doji : CAT S
[06:35 am] mhaus : FIO
[06:36 am] joeytsa : thanks for LVS Mitch...great call !!!
[06:37 am] joeytsa : KMB turning up
[06:37 am] joeytsa : the ES trying for 1240
[06:38 am] lightning : watching JVA for a bounce
[06:39 am] joeytsa : ES got 1240
[06:39 am] joeytsa : great call on DECK !!
[06:39 am] joeytsa : VRUS broke prv cl support
[06:39 am] observer : Thx, Kris, DECK .79 pts.
[06:41 am] joeytsa : VMW nice move off bottom
[06:41 am] mhaus : ITMN
[06:41 am] mhaus : WRC
[06:41 am] rusty : KMB radar
[06:42 am] joeytsa : watching FSLR
[06:43 am] joeytsa : WBMD turned, late call though
[06:44 am] joeytsa : nice double move on VFC though
[06:46 am] joeytsa : add CVH to the health stock watch
[06:47 am] joeytsa : looking for a top in ULTA
[06:47 am] mhaus : AEO runner
[06:47 am] ppann : shorted ES 1241.5
[06:48 am] ppann : added at 1242
[06:48 am] shark : CROX running
[06:50 am] anthonyb : BWLD
[06:50 am] joeytsa : LVS hod[06:50 am] joeytsa : yeah kris...lower highs and now with the gap close
[06:50 am] observer : New hod, SLW
[06:50 am] observer : VALE near hod[06:51 am] apple : thx K for DECK - almost 2 pts[06:51 am] doji : L TZA 34.19
[06:51 am] joeytsa : watching VFC again..higher high on lower indis[06:52 am] anthonyb : missed BIDU short
[06:53 am] mikewd2 -: TZA L 34.20
[06:54 am] doji : I bet you for 1 c Mike
[06:54 am] joeytsa : STRA big spike down
[06:55 am] lightning : having some Lightspeed troubles... connection flickering this morning. :(
[06:55 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, i waited to long
[06:56 am] joeytsa : my LS seems ok so far
[06:56 am] joeytsa : WLT moving down
[06:57 am] doji : APKT
[06:57 am] joeytsa : CI just trending down
[06:57 am] rusty : SXCI defended by analyst here
[06:58 am] boomboom : Yeah, I'm still in CI...we thinking it might come back up? :/
[06:58 am] joeytsa : eye on BIIB
[06:59 am] doji : All out TZA
[06:59 am] joeytsa : trailing stop on CI short
[07:00 am] skydiver : take over chatter on NBR
[07:01 am] doji : Good Mike, I sold all at 34.54, locked profits
[07:01 am] joeytsa : all out CI :)
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: head faked out doji, i'm still in
[07:02 am] doji : 1% profit
[07:03 am] joeytsa : AET closed gap too
[07:03 am] joeytsa : FOSL hod[07:04 am] mhaus : LVLT
[07:04 am] ppann : cvrd at 1239.25 half position..
[07:07 am] junior : out all SFSF short....thanks Mitch
[07:09 am] mikewd2 -: go GMCR
[07:09 am] rusty : SODA radar
[07:10 am] joeytsa : CMI lower highs all morning
[07:10 am] joeytsa : FOSL moving higher..might get toppy
[07:10 am] ronfrac : ilmn up
[07:10 am] rusty : moving down kind of fast
[07:11 am] doji : Did you sell your previous TZA Mike?
[07:11 am] mikewd2 -: 34.68
[07:11 am] mikewd2 -: TZA L 34.20 again
[07:11 am] rusty : RL breaking out on daily chart....kind of extended
[07:13 am] anthonyb : profit target officially met for the morning with 4 trades still on and making $ woohoo!
[07:13 am] doji : will wait longer for TZA again
[07:13 am] joeytsa : FOSL keeps bouncing off 5ma...waiting for a crack b4 i short...strong move
[07:14 am] joeytsa : ES banging head just under 1244
[07:15 am] joeytsa : grabbed CI short, forgot to go long
[07:15 am] observer : Thx, Mitch, CI chart a quick .18
[07:16 am] joeytsa : GMCR cracking
[07:16 am] shark : NFLX further weakness
[07:17 am] joeytsa : yeah shark..looks awful
[07:17 am] mhaus : Watching TGI
[07:17 am] observer : Svm Keeps setting new highs
[07:17 am] observer : VALE new high
[07:18 am] joeytsa : GOOG just crazy moves today
[07:18 am] observer : SLW new high
[07:18 am] rusty : KMB lod worth watching
[07:19 am] amersaeed : is anyone short on ANR
[07:19 am] doji : SPY new hod[07:19 am] mhaus : ETN
[07:19 am] rusty : KMB sitting on 50dma
[07:20 am] joeytsa : FOSL cracked, but has been strong, keep a tight stop if you short
[07:21 am] ppann : short ES at 1244.75
[07:22 am] doji : ETn S 43.06
[07:24 am] amersaeed : Anyone short on ANR....??
[07:24 am] doji : 1/2 ETN out at 42.48
[07:24 am] joeytsa : all out FOSL short..talk about a small drop in the bucket, oh well
[07:24 am] joeytsa : i guess that's what i get trying to short a strong stock
[07:24 am] joeytsa : PANL strong so far
[07:25 am] joeytsa : ATI big spike
[07:25 am] joeytsa : not me amer, been strong all morning also
[07:26 am] joeytsa : ppann : did you take that 1 pt profit or letting it run?
[07:28 am] doji : all out ETN, thanks for the call mhaus[07:28 am] doji : still in TZA Mike?
[07:28 am] joeytsa : BUD running up a bit
[07:28 am] mhaus : COG
[07:28 am] ppann : oh i took .75
[07:29 am] boomboom : I was short ANR, ameraseed...from 22.87 but got out for a loss when it acted like it wanted to move up.
[07:29 am] ppann : :)...just shorted ay 1245.75
[07:31 am] amersaeed : I am in a $400 loss so far
[07:32 am] doji : Market is very slow today
[07:34 am] derns : long APKT
[07:34 am] doji : URBN S 26.32
[07:36 am] eyes-inthenow : S URBN 26.20
[07:36 am] sonorant : good price doji, URBN S 26.24. Too bad it doesn't drop!
[07:37 am] eyes-inthenow : GME ALERT
[07:39 am] doji : S APKT
[07:39 am] doji : tight stop
[07:41 am] derns : Doji...I'm closing my long APKT at 32.0
[07:41 am] doji : Good Derns, make sure you sell your 10,000 shares so it helps my S
[07:42 am] derns : not quite 10000 shares!...just didn't have a lot of conviction and then I saw your post.
[07:42 am] eyes-inthenow : ILMN just pulled a fast one
[07:42 am] observer : Alert FNSR
[07:43 am] derns : Doji...there goes my 3 shares....stopped out
[07:43 am] doji : I am moving my stop in URBN above break even
[07:44 am] anthonyb : Gosh I hope this market takes a major dump starting now
[07:44 am] doji : trailing stop on APKT
[07:44 am] scalpman : S APKt @ 31.93 ....
[07:45 am] amersaeed : ANR is finally coming down..
[07:45 am] anthonyb : and continues until my short swings are in the green lol[07:45 am] doji : SPY is consolidating at 125 for the last 30min or so
[07:45 am] joeytsa : anthony, it's been trending slowly down but indis are bottoming
[07:45 am] scalpman : APKT ...stopped out even... will look for re-entry
[07:46 am] doji : it could move in any direction
[07:46 am] eyes-inthenow : Be careful Guy I sold ILMN 20.82 and I had a 1% stop sold me 30.42
[07:46 am] joeytsa : still has room though
[07:46 am] joeytsa : yeah amersaeed, but indis are bottoming also on the 1min
[07:46 am] khall : I just wish it would go one way or the other
[07:46 am] khall : I was so frustrated Friday when it did nothing
[07:46 am] mikewd2 -: out half GMCR 70.50
[07:47 am] eyes-inthenow : 28.82
[07:47 am] joeytsa : eyes: you got hit on that spike?
[07:47 am] joeytsa : khall: what moving?
[07:47 am] khall : yup
[07:47 am] mikewd2 -: u stopped on TZA? Kris
[07:48 am] doji : closing APKT here
[07:48 am] doji : will just keep URBN S
[07:48 am] eyes-inthenow : why didn't it stop me at my stop
[07:48 am] mhaus : TZA l@33.70
[07:48 am] rusty : RL might be worth watching for a swing short...very strong but extended imo[07:49 am] doji : What is your average in TZA Miki?
[07:49 am] eyes-inthenow : That hit me for 2.00
[07:49 am] hobart : Thanks for CI Mitch. L 44.35 out 45.35, S 45.45 out 45.15
[07:49 am] joeytsa : some neg div on PANL..might be setting up something
[07:49 am] mikewd2 -: 34.13
[07:49 am] mikewd2 -: I'm holding mine
[07:50 am] eyes-inthenow : down 800
[07:50 am] joeytsa : yeah i see that eyes
[07:50 am] mikewd2 -: 34.13
[07:51 am] doji : so you added to your 34.2
[07:51 am] doji : SPY challenging previous resistance here
[07:51 am] doji : Thanks Mike
[07:51 am] joeytsa : not sure there is anything you can do on something like that...weird spike though
[07:51 am] mikewd2 -: when Kris went in
[07:51 am] mikewd2 -: yes 34.07
[07:51 am] victor51 : fslr good short but can't find it
[07:52 am] joeytsa : ES still trending down
[07:53 am] mikewd2 -: VIX down 5%
[07:53 am] pow : optr rolling over
[07:53 am] ppann : looking for 1239ish to cvr on ES
[07:54 am] joeytsa : anyone follow the TRIN??
[07:55 am] anthonyb : nope
[07:55 am] joeytsa : good to know haha[07:55 am] ronfrac : derns: I think apkt a good swing trade
[07:55 am] scalpman : KMB moving up
[07:56 am] joeytsa : just asked, I'm starting to look at a few things that i did years ago, see if i can spot any patterns that's all
[07:57 am] ppann : i was just gonna say trying is old school:)
[07:58 am] derns : Doji...look at APKT...I should have had more conviction!
[07:58 am] joeytsa : yeah ppann, just figured i would take a look...everything has its cycle
[07:58 am] ppann : yes sir u got that right
[07:59 am] doji : Have a meeting, will leave URBN stop be price and buy order at 25.8, see you in 30min
[08:02 am] ppann : grabbed SFSF short at 25.43
[08:03 am] ppann : Kris may i have your thoughts on CVX long
[08:05 am] Kris : a long over 106 but it doesn't move that much so it's not worth the risk for me.
[08:05 am] Kris : maybe get .50 out of the break
[08:06 am] junior : intc breaking out
[08:06 am] ppann : thank you was considering but i see what u mean
[08:07 am] eyes-inthenow : Kris any thoughts on my post about ILMN I S 28.82 with a 1% stop bought me at 30.43
[08:08 am] Kris : what's your question eyes?
[08:08 am] ppann : buy program on the hour
[08:08 am] shark : WOW!
[08:08 am] sonorant : It looked awful Kris -- he got caught on this huge spike
[08:11 am] trvlntrdr : It sounds like you used a stop order, eyes, that means when the price is hit it generate a market order. it is bad luck in a surge in volume
[08:12 am] trvlntrdr : the only way to avoid this is to use stop limit but then you might not fill
[08:13 am] ppann : shorted more at 1246 on ES
[08:13 am] ronfrac : OVTI turning over
[08:13 am] sonorant : Am I correct on that?
[08:13 am] sonorant : you most likely would not have filled with a stop limit --your market order got you such a bad price because it surged so quickly
[08:14 am] trvlntrdr : I think you are right and then if the surge continues you are out of luck on the stop
[08:14 am] trvlntrdr : In this case it would have filled the next minute or so
[08:14 am] trvlntrdr : so it would have helped here
[08:15 am] ppann : going to build a position on the ES for an attempt to swing it short....yah right! like i'm gonna hold for that long...LOL
[08:17 am] sonorant : most of my shorts have been REALLY bad news today.
[08:18 am] ppann : added more SFSF short at 25.58
[08:19 am] anthonyb : sorry sonorant :-( My shorts worked for the most part
[08:19 am] ppann : ss more ES at 1247.5...that should do it for the high's imo[08:19 am] ronfrac : RUT new hod[08:19 am] sonorant : anthony, you have wider stops than I do, more patience, and a deeper understanding!
[08:20 am] doji : Sonorant, what were your shorts
[08:20 am] sonorant : then I also tried to short FOSL -- that didn't work, though I am doing quite well on it now as a long
[08:20 am] sonorant : well URBN for one
[08:21 am] anthonyb : You should have gotten 1% on 1/2 on URBN and stopped out 1/2 at BE or a little better
[08:21 am] doji : Did you S URBN in the second help?
[08:21 am] sonorant : I also tried to short ATI...
[08:22 am] joeytsa : no thanks..i work :)
[08:22 am] Mitch : anyone want to join me in Occupy Wall Street and be part of the 1% ?
[08:23 am] Mitch : we will need helmets, padding and riot gear. come on joey
[08:23 am] pmarvel : I mean MCP.
[08:23 am] pmarvel : Watching for up or down? What should I do?
[08:23 am] rusty : wear Tradestocksamerica.com T-shirts?
[08:23 am] sonorant : I was short back when you were, and tried to go in again as it went up. May try and short it again.
[08:23 am] trvlntrdr : done by a major democratic party pollster
[08:23 am] trvlntrdr : interesting article in WSJ about a poll of the occupiers
[08:24 am] doji : in my next trip to south of Chile, close to the south pole, I'll wear my TradeStocksAmerica shirt so you can post it in the website
[08:24 am] doji : we are all over the world!
[08:24 am] trvlntrdr : He recommends for the Democrats not to identify with them.
[08:25 am] anthonyb : buy guys! I mean bye guys. See you tomorrow
[08:25 am] trvlntrdr : doji that would be great!
[08:26 am] lisas : bye anthony[08:26 am] scalpman : Watching RRC
[08:27 am] doji : TZA consolidating...
[08:27 am] ppann : Goldman is doing his trick right now on the ES
[08:28 am] joeytsa : BIDU hod[08:29 am] doji : High Of the DAY pmarvel[08:29 am] pmarvel : hod?
[08:31 am] joeytsa : Mitch : here is the link to those 2 videos i mentioned earlier...watch them after hours, 1st the Martin Weiss video which is kind of long, 2nd the Harry Dent interview from Bloomberg tv..about 5 minutes long
[08:32 am] doji : TZA will be a good short soon
[08:32 am] joeytsa : http://finance.moneyandmarkets.com/reports/SM R/euroquake/eq-5-lp.php?s=CLST&e=4652 125
[08:32 am] joeytsa : http://www.bloomberg.com/video/76381244/
[08:33 am] joeytsa : better get your riot gear on :)
[08:33 am] sonorant : short SFSF $26.04 -- with a nod to ppann[08:35 am] derns : TZA really confuses me...with all the uncertainty still in the market, I have a hard time understanding why this continues to drop so much
[08:35 am] joeytsa : ES didn't quite want to crack 1250 yet
[08:35 am] sonorant : doji, do you have any pending orders on URBN?
[08:36 am] joeytsa : because the market is trending up ..for whatever reason
[08:36 am] Kris : and earnings reports
[08:36 am] Kris : derns, markets are not logical
[08:36 am] Kris : it feels like bad news exhaustion
[08:36 am] ppann : TZA is an indicator not a company...so it represents the flipside of the market
[08:36 am] shark : YEAH!
[08:37 am] derns : Thx for reminding me Kris...
[08:37 am] Kris : and now we're getting a lot of short covering and more longs on the breakouts
[08:37 am] Kris : made the markets consolidate near resistance
[08:37 am] ppann : finally a sell program
[08:37 am] sonorant : right, the short covering makes it go up too, I had forgotten that.
[08:38 am] joeytsa : every breakout is partly short covering
[08:38 am] joeytsa : spot on ppann..reverse for bull market
[08:38 am] ppann : The market's rally early in the week and early in the day in a Bear Market
[08:38 am] shark : Co's making their #'s after they were downgraded, with lower #'s - easier to beat here
[08:38 am] sonorant : very interesting
[08:39 am] derns : Joeytsa...I watched part of the video you posted...started it the other day..do you believe the concerns Weiss raises?
[08:39 am] ppann : remember Mutual funds end of year is end of OCT
[08:39 am] shark : AAPL profit taking here
[08:40 am] joeytsa : GOOG has had some neg div...keeping an eye on it
[08:40 am] shark : div? joey
[08:40 am] sonorant : ppann, can you say more about mutual funds Oct eoy and how that influences it?
[08:41 am] joeytsa : between price/indis[08:41 am] joeytsa : neg div = negative divergence
[08:42 am] joeytsa : derns : i think weiss has the concerns correct...but that doesn't mean it will play it like that...
[08:42 am] joeytsa : he says we are 1 step away from "game over"
[08:42 am] joeytsa : honestly, his main concern is that europe/US is bankrupt..for the most part [08:43 am] amersaeed : thanks Jewels... you made money...??
[08:43 am] jewels : I'm done trading for the day, gang. Have a good one.
[08:43 am] jewels : Made a little... but it's my birthday so I'm off to celebrate it :)
[08:43 am] joeytsa : that step being the day the debt buyers say " no more"
[08:44 am] jewels : lol... thanks...
[08:44 am] Kris : Happy Birthday Jewels
[08:46 am] joeytsa : PCLN monster day..trading above all 3 ma's on the daily..still below recent highs
[08:46 am] ppann : i believe that this 16% run up from the lows mixed with funds getting killed, adding to the run up, squeezing shorts, to give us this rally....Funds gonna dump soon.imo...the pit is short at 1249
[08:46 am] shark : need some birthday music, Kris!
[08:47 am] joeytsa : much easier to trade the trend
[08:47 am] pmarvel : It means MCP is going up?
[08:47 am] ppann : stops run up to 1255
[08:48 am] apple : thx for info MK
[08:48 am] joeytsa : mistake i made earlier ( still made $) and mistake new traders make is trying to take every indicator call
[08:48 am] scalpman : Time to go....5 for 7 today with one B.E. So, a good day. Thanks to Mitch and Kris. See you all tomorrow.
[08:48 am] shark : FSLR shorts ran for the hills -up 13%
[08:49 am] doji : Sonorant, just saw your post, my trailing stop in URBN was hit at breakeven
[08:49 am] Kris : Great Job Scalpman[08:49 am] Kris : you're becoming very consistent
[08:50 am] apple : also possible noon reversal
[08:50 am] sonorant : doji, did you have any buys or sells in place on either side of the consolidation?
[08:51 am] doji : No Sonorant, I am in the middle of a meeting so cannot trade at this moment, just watching your comments in the trading room for teh rest of teh day
[08:52 am] shark : TZA, here, Kris?
[08:53 am] ppann : 1 yr ESZ has a lot of resistance at the 1250 area of march,april,june[08:54 am] doji : Too risky for me TZA, SPY can rebound from trendline support
[08:56 am] doji : See you later, have to move to another office....
[08:58 am] joeytsa : ppann: thanks...2 pts on that last drop since your call of the pits at 1249
[08:58 am] khall : :-) Thanks Kris
[08:58 am] khall : well, for my first day I'm not doing too badly - 60% success rate and getting better. you guys help a BUNCH
[08:58 am] shark : Awesome khall! Sweet!
[08:58 am] sonorant : right, the trend line!!! good point, just drew it in. it is hard to make all of these pieces second nature
[09:00 am] joeytsa : LO slowly trying to close that gap..step by step, inch by inch
[09:02 am] joeytsa : BIDU still rollin'
[09:03 am] cowboyh : by guys have to go to work have a good day
[09:03 am] ppann : small sell program
[09:04 am] joeytsa : PRGO quick 50cent spike
[09:08 am] sonorant : joey, at what point did you go long LO?
[09:09 am] joeytsa : it was approx 110, out just under 111
[09:09 am] joeytsa : that was just after the bell...didn't keep following it unfortunately
[09:10 am] joeytsa : you mean on the downside?
[09:10 am] sonorant : how did you keep from getting stopped out on it?
[09:10 am] sonorant : I guess my question is really when?
[09:11 am] joeytsa : i let it fall, then bought as it recovered...gunslinged a bit
[09:11 am] joeytsa : the big one down below 109.50
[09:11 am] sonorant : did you go long after the big red spike down at 6:31 or 6:32?
[09:12 am] joeytsa : technically a "wrong" trade...more of a gut feel
[09:12 am] joeytsa : the correct technical trade would have been the test below 109.5
[09:12 am] sonorant : so you actually did not get it right out of the slot -- how did you know to wait?
[09:12 am] sonorant : yep, that one.
[09:13 am] joeytsa : after the open i mean...trying not to catch a falling knife
[09:13 am] joeytsa : when i emailed you, did i write that on gap downs i wait to see if they will fall?
[09:13 am] sonorant : ah, the mysterious gut feel of the seasoned trader..... argh!
[09:14 am] sonorant : I'm not sure, on one of them, you were waiting for a turnaround, but I thought it was the other way -- when you wanted to short because they had gapped up.
[09:15 am] joeytsa : that is my new way..old way was to just short the gap up due to the uptick rule
[09:16 am] joeytsa : look at NFLX on the open..gapped up but the indis were low..so i avoided the short until i saw them higher and turn down
[09:16 am] sonorant : ok. So the correct technical way -- on test below 109.5 -- at about what minute are you referring to? And I believe I am endin this sentence in a preposition, Somone nailed me on that last week.
[09:18 am] joeytsa : hate to say it..but its not an exact science...
[09:18 am] joeytsa : on LO..i liked the test appro 9:37 est..it was a higher low and the indis pointed up
[09:18 am] joeytsa : same set up tomorrow might be a loss for me
[09:19 am] joeytsa : and what makes it 100 times harder is that it happens very quickly...
[09:19 am] joeytsa : i only premarket on
[09:19 am] joeytsa : it's easy to explain and learn from after the fact
[09:19 am] sonorant : okay, so here is a question for you, do your charts show extended trading hours? because I played with this on Sat, and the indis would vary dependinng on extended or regular hour time frame.
[09:20 am] joeytsa : now on a day where a stock trends higher especially if the market trends higher...
[09:20 am] sonorant : looking at NFLX still. which indis? stochs? settings? MACD?
[09:21 am] joeytsa : i try to avoid stochastic sell signals except for possible areas to sell my long position...on days that are trending up
[09:21 am] joeytsa : i use stochastics only for buys
[09:21 am] ppann : NFLX reports today?
[09:22 am] joeytsa : both as support and res
[09:22 am] joeytsa : yeah ppann: NFLX bouncing on that prev cl
[09:24 am] boomboom : Is there any play on SXCI, Mitch/Kris?
[09:24 am] joeytsa : had they been overbought..i probably would have pulled the short on the open
[09:24 am] joeytsa : sonorant : on NFLX the stochs were in oversold territory on the open
[09:24 am] ppann : mondays are a popular day for mutual funds buying into the market aswe[09:25 am] joeytsa : sonorant : best place to short NFLX technically for me was right around the 9:40est area
[09:25 am] ppann : ftnt[09:25 am] sonorant : back to considering LO -- actually pretty weak given the strength of the market. And I see what you mean about the 9:37 bar. Thnks. will look at NFLX again now.
[09:26 am] mhaus : SXCI
[09:27 am] joeytsa : right around 9:40 ( NFLX), green candle looked weak, followed by red candle..both which were lower highs from the 9:33 area
[09:29 am] joeytsa : BIDU hod after hod[09:29 am] joeytsa : sonorant: did that make sense about NFLX?
[09:30 am] joeytsa : again..its much easier to see after the fact..heat of the battle sometimes you don't have the luxury of analyzing a bunch of stuff
[09:31 am] joeytsa : Mitch always says to put the odds on your side..i just happened to see a lower high + reversal candle + indis trending down
[09:31 am] ppann : grabbed more short on SFSF at 26.25
[09:31 am] sonorant : yes, it makes perfect sense! after the fact... lol[09:32 am] sonorant : so that is the best way to have shorted -- what did you actually do?
[09:33 am] sonorant : on NFLX
[09:34 am] ppann : sell program
[09:35 am] joeytsa : DVN lod[09:36 am] joeytsa : the old me would have done the exact same thing
[09:36 am] sonorant : see, if I had been trading NFLX this morning, I probably would have gone in on teh big red candle down around 9:35 est, then panicked when it started up again. I probably would have stopped out at about 119.68 Right Before if turned around again and went south
[09:37 am] joeytsa : the old me most likely would have used a $2 stop loss...i was more reckless back then
[09:37 am] sonorant : yes?? and so what do you do now? what did you do today? go in a little later, or not panic quite so quickly?
[09:38 am] ppann : sell program
[09:38 am] sonorant : I think you would have held on to your cookies in that particular trade with a $2 stop
[09:39 am] joeytsa : had i entered on the open today..i would have been stopped out for $1
[09:40 am] sonorant : which stochastic settings are you using?
[09:40 am] sonorant : yes, you would have lost in that scenario
[09:42 am] joeytsa : 8%k, 6%d
[09:43 am] joeytsa : i think that's what a lot of TSA members are using
[09:44 am] joeytsa : i'm still fairly new with using stochastics...I'm sure there are others in here who have much better insight on them
[09:44 am] ppann : took .30 on ftnt 1k shares
[09:44 am] sonorant : I bet I have used half a dozen different stoch settings since I came to the room based on different peoples recommendations! lol[09:45 am] joeytsa : still looks like 1250 is the resistance level on ES
[09:46 am] joeytsa : i didn't take any of these, but it's a great learning example
[09:46 am] joeytsa : sonorant : look at the MCP chart mitch has up...
[09:46 am] sonorant : how do you choose which of your many options to trade at 6:30?
[09:47 am] joeytsa : the logical buy on MCP, since it was trending up is approx the 38.70 area, 30.30 area
[09:47 am] ppann : i use 14,3,3,1 or 14,3,1 whatever i can enter in my platform
[09:47 am] ppann : on the slow stochs[09:48 am] joeytsa : a chart like this is one i print off and stare at
[09:48 am] joeytsa : only short i would have been comfortable with was that 1st one off of the steep up move
[09:48 am] ppann : arba, nice hod[09:48 am] sonorant : and by the time I got it back up, CAT was moving up.
[09:48 am] sonorant : oh no, so what did you take? I was determined to short CAT because it had gone up so very much, and then I discovered when the bell rang that my data feed wasn't working.
[09:49 am] sonorant : wait, I lost the thread, a chart like which one?
[09:50 am] boomboom : PPan, what's your target on the SFSF short?
[09:50 am] joeytsa : it's a great chart to study
[09:50 am] joeytsa : the MCP chart that Mitch has up
[09:50 am] sonorant : MCP?
[09:50 am] sonorant : so did you go long on anything besides LO?
[09:52 am] eyes-inthenow : Kris is there a way to better protect myself in ninja on my stops so that don't happen
[09:52 am] ppann : gonna see how it acts on the 50sma around the 25.30 area
[09:52 am] ppann : on the 5 min
[09:53 am] boomboom : Thank, PP
[09:53 am] Brent : that would've happened on any platform Eyes. Your stop market order was filled in a spike. No way to prevent it
[09:53 am] joeytsa : and a small short on CI
[09:53 am] joeytsa : i did catch Mitch's call on LVS
[09:53 am] joeytsa : no sonorant, only because i had an ES trade on the open
[09:53 am] ppann : your welcome boom
[09:54 am] eyes-inthenow : Thanks Brent I guess the rule is anything can Happen in the Markets I got to get used to that
[09:54 am] go4it : die nflx die
[09:55 am] Brent : that's just the way it goes sometimes.
[09:55 am] joeytsa : LO closed that gap...nice move, think they have earnings today also
[09:55 am] joeytsa : those are tough beats eyes
[09:56 am] eyes-inthenow : Well at least I am Trading a Plan not Trying to be Right
[09:56 am] joeytsa : smart eyes...can't break the rules
[09:56 am] ppann : It's a very hard discipline, but having mental stops solves that problem
[09:56 am] sonorant : eyes, there is something in the Ninja Automated trading strategy advanced section that lets you specify a required amount of volume in order for a market stop to trigger. It is intended to prevent something like that. The catch is first, knowing what to set the volume at, and secondly, if it isn't a spike, but the start of a trend, you will be badly screwed.
[09:56 am] sonorant : much worse than you were.
[09:57 am] ppann : I NEVER post my stops, But that took years of getting killed trying to develop that disassociation
[09:58 am] ppann : ONLY mental stops
[09:58 am] sonorant : so you never set actually stops, they are all just mental?
[09:59 am] joeytsa : higher volume right b4 the big jump
[09:59 am] joeytsa : IDCC big spike up , higher vol[09:59 am] joeytsa : missed a beauty of a consolidation breakout
[09:59 am] ppann : lol currently i'm in 11 positions
[09:59 am] sonorant : how many positions do you trade at one time?
[09:59 am] trvlntrdr : It makes sense if you have large positions in a stock
[09:59 am] trvlntrdr : Sonorant, a lot of people do mental stops to prevent the big boys from seeing your stops.
[10:00 am] joeytsa : CL running big move
[10:00 am] joeytsa : up 50cents in 2 minutes
[10:00 am] trvlntrdr : I don't think anyone cares about me but once you have more than a 1000 shares you might be noticed, the way I see it
[10:01 am] trvlntrdr : I know they see all the orders but it has to make sense to move the market to take out stops
[10:02 am] ppann : it's all accumulative
[10:02 am] sonorant : a program could be quite efficient at it.
[10:02 am] sonorant : but the "person" doing this -- looking at the stops, is probably a computer, yes?
[10:02 am] trvlntrdr : But PPAN I agree with you if I were moving the amount you do I would not post stops
[10:03 am] ppann : in milliseconds
[10:03 am] trvlntrdr : At my level I need the discipline to make sure I stop out. I just need to learn to give volatile stocks more leeway.
[10:04 am] pmarvel : What are blue lines means?
[10:04 am] trvlntrdr : but that is better than letting it go against you and not stopping out at all. :(
[10:04 am] trvlntrdr : I often get stopped out at a higher high to see the stock return to a down trend
[10:05 am] eyes-inthenow : As long as you have the Discipline to execute your stop that way great most traders stay hoping it will come back I have been guilty of that quite often
[10:05 am] ppann : don't ask me to explain this, but that is what the rule of 3's is based on...i was taught to take out stops
[10:05 am] ppann : no commenting from me on the rule of 3's
[10:06 am] trvlntrdr : I will learn later.
[10:06 am] trvlntrdr : ppan-- we appreciate your comments. I don't expect you to explain everything in the chat room--too burdensome.
[10:07 am] joeytsa : i just added pivot lines to a few charts, see what the heck they mean haha[10:08 am] trvlntrdr : I think even if you master trading, Ie get rich, you still would have to learn, as the technology and tactics change, the economy changes the market.
[10:10 am] eyes-inthenow : AGP
[10:12 am] joeytsa : trv: the only thing you can count on is constant change :)
[10:14 am] ppann : took +1 on the ES ..huge buy in the ESZ
[10:15 am] ppann : gonna see if i can get short again..
[10:20 am] ppann : grabbd some at 1248.75
[10:20 am] sonorant : candles, you have been so quiet. What have you traded today?
[10:21 am] candelas : aapl,sxci,gmcr,sina[10:21 am] lisas : Gotta run for a while, great start to the week. Thanks all
[10:25 am] ppann : FTNT and ARBA hod[10:29 am] mhaus : BCSI alert
[10:29 am] ppann : CL is short capitulation
[10:30 am] ppann : between 90 and 93
[10:32 am] apple : agree, MK, caution in the afternoon is always best
[10:34 am] trvlntrdr : gonna see if SINA has a higher low
[10:36 am] sonorant : Thanks mhaus -- in BCSI long, one target left to go
[10:36 am] sonorant : thanks Mitch.
[10:37 am] victor51 : Thanks for your Not to Do list. It's very helpful
[10:42 am] pmarvel : Anybody knows real time charts for free or low priced?
[10:43 am] lightning : freestockcharts.com
[10:44 am] rusty : http://www.freerealtime.com
[10:45 am] apple : pmarvel - freestockcharts are great - it's run by Worden Bros.
[10:45 am] khall : off to the dentist for me. Thanks everyone - see you tomorrow!
[10:45 am] ppann : shortd more 1249.75
[10:47 am] pmarvel : Apple are they real time or delayed? I think delayed because different from MK's charts.
[10:48 am] ppann : es going for 1253 to 1255 buy stops...
[10:48 am] ppann : hedge fund buying right now
[10:48 am] rusty : SCSS merits watching on the daily....possible early bullshort[10:49 am] mikewd2 -: trying to ring out the shorts, they will turn soon
[10:49 am] rusty : but worth watching
[10:49 am] rusty : SCSS all times highs for air/foam mattress maker
[10:49 am] rusty : SCSS sorry not all time highs ------- hit high 20's in 2006
[10:50 am] apple : real time, I have it up now, price is in sync with esignal[10:50 am] ppann : shortd more at 1252
[10:54 am] rusty : CMG hod - 5 points from prev all time high
[10:55 am] eyes-inthenow : Everyone Goodbye
[10:56 am] eyes-inthenow : 8 out of nine trades went south not Good
[10:57 am] trvlntrdr : sorry, I have been there last week
[10:58 am] Brent : see you tomorrow eyes
[10:58 am] eyes-inthenow : -1150
[10:58 am] eyes-inthenow : See you All
[10:58 am] rusty : we're up 1500 points from the low, no one wanted to buy just two weeks ago and now everyone is getting bullish
[10:58 am] sonorant : eyes, I am not much better today -- 2/3 losing, 1/3 winning
[10:59 am] mhaus : CL
[10:59 am] mhaus : MLM
[10:59 am] rusty : Dow 30 almost back to it's 200dma and everyone getting bullish
[11:00 am] ppann : long TLT 113.3/short 125.75 .......ie i bought TLT nov calls and tied them with buying spy 125 nov puts...believing that the market will go down
[11:01 am] mikewd2 -: hope your right ppann[11:05 am] qwert : kmb new lod[11:07 am] rusty : Some negative rumors on FSLR
[11:13 am] trvlntrdr : I had OCT 27.5 vix puts from early august. figuring the vix would go down eventually. We all know how that turned out.
[11:14 am] mikewd2 -: looks like VIX at resistance, time to head up
[11:14 am] trvlntrdr : it is rare that the vix stays elevated for so long. but it did this time
[11:15 am] trvlntrdr : it seems like the market is a little over extended. but I am tired of arguing with it. it always wins the argument
[11:16 am] rusty : Keep an eye on the SPY volume - it's really low
[11:18 am] ppann : cvrd at 1247
[11:19 am] mbear : Does anyone have any recommendations on finding stocks that are in consolidation patterns like CRS was before today?
[11:19 am] mikewd2 -: my thoughts rusty
[11:19 am] rusty : in order for a breakout to be valid you need volume and it's just not there - looks like short covering is fueling the market
[11:20 am] mbear : I have been trying the S/R scan on Finviz.com, but it doesn't seem to find these types of stocks
[11:20 am] mikewd2 -: Analyst on CNBC really trying to sell the rally
[11:20 am] ppann : out of my spread tlt +.2 and spy+.2 on 20 contracts each
[11:22 am] rusty : http://www.thegreedytrader.com/ good site to look for chart ideas
[11:22 am] trvlntrdr : my wild guess if they don't come up with something solid on WED (Greece) the market may turn over
[11:23 am] trvlntrdr : plus the longer we get into earnings season thing s can fizzle out
[11:26 am] joeytsa : sites do that...i remember when briefing gave a ton of free stuff
[11:26 am] rusty : but still worth taking a look at
[11:26 am] rusty : looks like greedy trader site got greedy and put some of the better stuff under wraps
[11:27 am] joeytsa : me either...i gave a few sites out last week..some decent free stuff, but the main stuff is subscription
[11:27 am] ppann : gonna sell every rally from here
[11:27 am] rusty : can't blame them
[11:27 am] trvlntrdr : FSLR going down as predicted earlier
[11:27 am] trvlntrdr : I think they do that to get people interested -- and advertisers. no reason they shouldn't
[11:29 am] mikewd2 -: VRUS at lod[11:30 am] trvlntrdr : rusty get s credit for FSLR notification
[11:31 am] trvlntrdr : made a (sim) $1
[11:35 am] joeytsa : nice job trv !!
[11:37 am] ronfrac : FSLR approaching support
[11:37 am] sonorant : I know that problem -- nailed by low blood sugar
[11:37 am] trvlntrdr : well as I pointed out I give Rusty the credit. I should have made more but I got hungry and had to leave!
[11:38 am] joeytsa : still a profit..good call rusty
[11:40 am] joeytsa : ANF hod...not sure if there is much money in it, but has been trending up all day
[11:42 am] apple : thx MK, B, K and everyone. Gotta go pick up my son from school. Everyone have a terrific evening. See you all tomorrow!
[11:42 am] ronfrac : MRO trending
[11:44 am] joeytsa : not sure if this will lead to a trade, but NFLX seems to using that 117 level as a hinge
[11:46 am] rusty : NFLX earnings today
[11:46 am] sonorant : trv, what is tc2000?
[11:46 am] trvlntrdr : on tc2000
[11:46 am] trvlntrdr : pn tc2000 117 is where the most volume has occurred in the last month
[11:47 am] joeytsa : interesting trv[11:47 am] sonorant : ok, thanks
[11:47 am] trvlntrdr : the newest worden bros charts
[11:48 am] sonorant : and what does pn mean?
[11:48 am] trvlntrdr : for support and resistance. I meant to type on
[11:48 am] trvlntrdr : they have a "volume at price" indicator. I think freestockcharts has it too
[11:49 am] amersaeed : pn was typo for ON
[11:49 am] joeytsa : funny, internet lingo for owned is pwned[11:49 am] joeytsa : MCP little spike up
[11:49 am] trvlntrdr : yep
[11:51 am] joeytsa : MCP just spiked up to the r2 level and then a bit down...need to learn more about pivot points
[11:51 am] trvlntrdr : Do you remember PM Batty in Dallas?
[11:52 am] joeytsa : i don't remember, might have been b4 i joined
[11:52 am] trvlntrdr : He had pivots on his charts that seemed different than normal pivots
[11:53 am] joeytsa : you can get indicator crazy
[11:53 am] trvlntrdr : I was intrigued by his charts but I couldn't find those pivots since.
[11:53 am] trvlntrdr : The ones I now are only from the day before.
[11:54 am] trvlntrdr : I know I think they all have value but i am sticking to Mitch's that he uses on the videos plus VWAP
[11:55 am] joeytsa : i like the look of Mitch's charts in the room
[11:55 am] joeytsa : same here, still trying to get LS to add vwap....most likely will sign on with esignal soon though
[11:56 am] trvlntrdr : what charts do you use with LS?
[11:57 am] joeytsa : and 19 on street smart edge
[11:57 am] joeytsa : i use 1 LS chart
[11:57 am] joeytsa : well
[11:58 am] amersaeed : did any one bullish on NFLX... how about earning .. what you guys think
[11:58 am] joeytsa : ES/Cl charts up on NT
[11:58 am] joeytsa : then whatever charts Mitch puts up
[11:59 am] amersaeed : thanks
[11:59 am] joeytsa : GMCR getting a little pop
[11:59 am] rusty : KMB bounce
[11:59 am] trvlntrdr : amer, I was taught not to hold positions into earnings
[11:59 am] trvlntrdr : it is a total gamble
[12:00 pm] joeytsa : if anything amersaeed, maybe hold an option...smaller loss that way if it goes against you
[12:00 pm] rusty : market hod[12:00 pm] rusty : SODA hod[12:02 pm] ppann : short ES1251.75 1st leg
[12:02 pm] trvlntrdr : Brent do agree about not buying a stock right before earnings? PPAN?
[12:04 pm] amersaeed : I am subscribe for a new letter from Zacs wisper... made lot of money but lose lot of money as well
[12:04 pm] amersaeed : Zacks.com
[12:04 pm] rusty : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Nd1qtk1Go video of trader buying stocks before earnings
[12:05 pm] joeytsa : honestly to me the earnings play is either the run up/down into the report but get out b4, and sometimes a nice play on the opening after the report
[12:05 pm] ppann : 1252 's are no good
[12:05 pm] rusty : agree joey, better to play the reaction that guessing which way it will go
[12:05 pm] trvlntrdr : Exactly, joey, that is not what he is doing though
[12:05 pm] trvlntrdr : you are right the stock will move around a lot. But even insiders cant predict reaction to earnings. Only hold it you are willing to have short term loss
[12:06 pm] joeytsa : NFLX weekly 115c is $7.50, 120p $10...seems expensive to me
[12:06 pm] trvlntrdr : very volatile stock
[12:07 pm] joeytsa : lower volume stock
[12:07 pm] joeytsa : STRA nice spike up
[12:07 pm] ppann : redid the same tlt/spy spread
[12:08 pm] joeytsa : obama just landed here in vegas[12:11 pm] joeytsa : i have to get up there
[12:11 pm] joeytsa : NFLX broke thru that 117 level
[12:12 pm] joeytsa : that break came on higher volume also
[12:14 pm] ppann : took half off +3.25 10 cars
[12:14 pm] trvlntrdr : my best trade ever on GMCR.
[12:15 pm] sonorant : NFLX was pretty strong on that drop
[12:17 pm] mikewd2 -: let's see if SPY can break this resistance
[12:18 pm] mikewd2 -: i guess that was support - for a reason
[12:19 pm] candelas : got some of the move
[12:19 pm] candelas : that was a nice ride
[12:19 pm] joeytsa : NFLX rockin'
[12:19 pm] joeytsa : started with that break over 117
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : i took $1
[12:20 pm] mikewd2 -: are u long Joey?
[12:20 pm] mikewd2 -: on NFLX, haha[12:20 pm] sonorant : do I dare dip again for more?
[12:24 pm] lightning : Brent/Kris, on the breakaway strategy one of the scans is for stocks that haven't moved much in the last week. I can't seem to do that on FinViz. Can it be done on Trade-Ideas?
[12:28 pm] rusty : SCSS retreating
[12:29 pm] Brent : I haven't found a good scan for that strategy on Trade ideas Lightning
[12:29 pm] Kris : what platform are you using matt?
[12:29 pm] Kris : with esignal?
[12:29 pm] lightning : Lightspeed[12:29 pm] lightning : thanks, Brent.
[12:29 pm] ppann : took another 5 off at 1246, from 1251.75...5 left
[12:30 pm] Kris : you have trade ideas right?
[12:30 pm] lightning : yes
[12:31 pm] Kris : http://www.trade-ideas.com/StockInfo/7_day_co nsolidation.html
[12:31 pm] Kris : you can do it in tradeideas[12:31 pm] lightning : great...now I really have reasons to get trade-ideas
[12:31 pm] lightning : not yet.
[12:31 pm] lightning : thanks, Kris
[12:32 pm] Kris : and then set your alerts on esignal[12:32 pm] Kris : for something like that matt
[12:32 pm] Kris : http://www.trade-ideas.com/StockInfo/_Screene rConfig.html
[12:32 pm] Kris : I think you can use their free end of day scanner
[12:32 pm] lightning : Thanks, Kris. I'll give it a crack!
[12:32 pm] ppann : sell programs
[12:33 pm] trvlntrdr : thanks for your help everyone, esp MK, Kris, Brent cya[12:36 pm] rusty : JPM reducing target on FSLR
[12:36 pm] rusty : to $50
[12:40 pm] trvlntrdr : ($50)
[12:40 pm] trvlntrdr : trying to get there before 4 pm:)
[12:42 pm] ronfrac : I've been trying to short fslr all day. no stk available
[12:44 pm] mikewd2 -: GMCR
[12:44 pm] sonorant : ronfrac, what platform, what broker?
[12:47 pm] rusty : FSLR has a big short interest
[12:47 pm] rusty : over 20M short as of end of Sept
[12:48 pm] rusty : http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fslr/short-inter est
[12:49 pm] ppann : my c/a in SFSF is 25.97, I'm gonna try and swing this short. See if i have the patience...lol[12:50 pm] ppann : oh cost average
[12:50 pm] sonorant : ppann c/a stands for?? something average?
[12:51 pm] ppann : your welcome sonorant
[12:51 pm] sonorant : gotcha, thanks
[12:52 pm] ppann : cvrd my last lot at 1245.5 on the ES
[12:52 pm] sonorant : tomorrow morning I am not trading at all, or I am only going to trade 3 shares (as opposed to my 30) for the first 30 minutes!!!! I hate starting out the day in the hole.
[12:53 pm] doji : Anyone betting on NFLX
[12:54 pm] mikewd2 -: guess it depends on which way you bet.
[12:54 pm] sonorant : it might not be a bad bet doji -- especially if the market holds
[12:55 pm] amersaeed : I am thinking up
[12:55 pm] sonorant : did you buy any earlier today at 115.50 or 116?
[12:56 pm] mikewd2 -: could be a wild ride
[12:56 pm] shark : my understanding is that NFLX confirmed that earnings estimates are as estimated by Wall Street avg consensus
[12:56 pm] shark : so only thing to listen for on NFLX is "guidance"
[12:56 pm] sonorant : We may be up at least until that European meeting on Wednesday -- though their time zones are earlier than ours by enough that it could just be thru Tuesday for us before it impacts us.
[12:57 pm] mikewd2 -: what to do with streaming versus dvds[12:57 pm] rusty : http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations /2011/10/21/netflix-earnings-on-monday-could- spark-run-to-195/
[12:57 pm] shark : estimated earnings/expenses down the road
[12:57 pm] shark : for next quarter and beyond
[12:57 pm] sonorant : what is "guidance"?
[12:58 pm] shark : if you do a trade on NFLX a call spread could reduce costs greatly
[12:59 pm] amersaeed : I have call spread on NFLX 135/140 Jan 13
[12:59 pm] amersaeed : my cost is 1.8
[12:59 pm] mikewd2 -: TXN hod[12:59 pm] observer : Take care, Brent
[12:59 pm] ppann : ccj nice move
[12:59 pm] shark : AWESOME amersaeed!!!
[12:59 pm] shark : you'll catch next quarter's earnings reports if you have to stay in that long
[01:03 pm] rusty : SPY lowest volume day since July
[01:04 pm] rusty : NFLX .99 expected
[01:05 pm] ppann : nflx pop
[01:06 pm] rusty : 124-103 good reason not to try to play earnings
[01:06 pm] rusty : 99
[01:07 pm] ppann : guided lower
[01:07 pm] rusty : Netflix, Inc. $NFLX Posts Q3 EPS of $1.16, vs. cons. 95c, sales $822M, vs. cons. $811M
[01:07 pm] sonorant : man -- what happened to it?
[01:07 pm] sonorant : what is cons.?
[01:08 pm] ppann : grabbd some at 100
[01:08 pm] rusty : .95-.99
[01:09 pm] ppann : out +3
[01:10 pm] sonorant : so wait, rusty, given what you just said, it sounds like they did better than the consensus. So why is it tanking?
[01:11 pm] ppann : 0ut +2
[01:11 pm] sonorant : heavens, is earning seasons always like this after hours?
[01:12 pm] ppann : kind of
[01:12 pm] rusty : the whole story with NFLX is whether they are going to grow like they have been....so even if they meet or beat their #, if no growth then no real reason to be long
[01:13 pm] ppann : long every trade on nflx[01:15 pm] rusty : at current earnings and 118 on the close they are trading at a PE of 28-30 or so, they need to grow 30% per year to justify that valuation
[01:16 pm] ppann : been busy with the euro last 20 min
[01:16 pm] ppann : took .23 that time..yuck[01:16 pm] sonorant : a good PE is around 10 isn't it?
[01:17 pm] ppann : NFLX beat but their subscriber growth imploded
[01:18 pm] rusty : depends on stock sono....for the SPY that would be a pretty good avg PE
[01:20 pm] ppann : 1.2 mill share traded in 10 min on nflx[01:20 pm] ppann : ftnt i'm gonna hold till premarket tom
[01:20 pm] rusty : I'm always amazed watching daytraders all getting long NFLX and other volatile stocks before earnings, like a lottery ticket, and then after the stock tanks, they are all quiet
[01:22 pm] ppann : ooh bid on SfSF is 25.4 :)
[01:22 pm] rusty : at 92 NFLX trading at PE of 23
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