Chat Highlights From 10/18/2011

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[06:11 am] Kris : Good Morning Traders
[06:11 am] Kris : This morning I'm watching SHAW, DVA, FSLR, JOYG, SFSF, ATPG and HOG as possible shorts.
[06:12 am] Kris : GRMN, KMB, PH, CROX and IM as possible longs.
[06:21 am] Brent : good morning
[06:23 am] Mitch : hey what do you guys think of the position limits suggested by Commodities TFC?
[06:24 am] Mitch : i think vote is today, they are putting limits on position sizes in commodities to "reduce speculation"
[06:24 am] Mitch : it has not been proven by various people that speculation drives commodities like gold, oil,
[06:26 am] Mitch : my sense is this is political, probably coming from Obama, blaming move of oil to $150 18 months ago was due to speculation. a convenient excuse. i think speculation adds an exaggerated move but I think its best to allow market be as unhibited as possible
[06:28 am] Mitch : the issue with HFT, high frequency traders sounds like different issue. Those guys are presenting thousands of phony orders on the level 2 to induce people like us (retail traders) to make decisions differently and they pull their orders from the system once they get their desired result, which is to get retail investors to buy or sell at certain prices
[06:29 am] Kris : 2 Minutes. Time To Rock!
[06:29 am] Kris : Get Ready
[06:29 am] Mitch : and then their system withdraws those orders all this in milliseconds. so many orders on the level 2, the market depth is ficticious
[06:30 am] Mitch : and this will eventually take a little money from the retail trader little by little over time, not really a level playing field with HFT
[06:31 am] Kris : BIDU short half
[06:31 am] Kris : NEM short half
[06:32 am] Kris : ANR short half
[06:32 am] Kris : out half BIDU short
[06:33 am] Kris : looking for a new lod for these shorts
[06:33 am] Kris : SPY trying to hold 120 support
[06:33 am] Kris : WHR short half
[06:34 am] Kris : LULU short half
[06:34 am] Kris : SINA short half
[06:35 am] Kris : out another 1/4 BIDU short
[06:36 am] Kris : I'll be looking to enter TZA long swing today
[06:37 am] Brent : watching JAZZ for a bounce
[06:37 am] Kris : out half SINA short
[06:38 am] Brent : watching SFSF for a bounce
[06:39 am] Kris : watch NFLX for a short below 114
[06:39 am] Kris : watching WLP for a long reversal
[06:40 am] Kris : BIDU still looking weak
[06:40 am] Kris : LULU no love so far
[06:40 am] Mitch : watching UNH and HUM for bottom but let them drop a lot, more than normal
[06:41 am] Kris : out another 1/4 SINA short
[06:41 am] Kris : some of these stocks are starting to build nice 3MF long setups. just be patient and let them drop into support.
[06:41 am] Kris : SPY reversed hard, heading for the lows
[06:41 am] Kris : watching URBN for a long reversal
[06:42 am] Kris : BIDU setting up for a long
[06:42 am] Kris : let me get out of my short first mitchy
[06:42 am] Kris : out all BIDU short
[06:42 am] Mitch : CE shortable around 39.20
[06:42 am] Mitch : watching SINA for bottom to buy
[06:43 am] Kris : NFLX coming into 114 support
[06:43 am] Kris : out half LULU short
[06:43 am] Kris : SPY new lod
[06:43 am] Kris : would like to see some consolidation above 114 before the break and flush
[06:43 am] Mitch : looking for shorts on top of the bounces of JAZZ. NUAN, missed FOSL around 90.50
[06:44 am] Kris : out half ANR short, it's lagging a little, gonna protect my gains.
[06:44 am] Mitch : watching RL for bottom
[06:45 am] Kris : LULU still hanging at the lows
[06:45 am] Kris : NFLX short small position
[06:45 am] Kris : out half NEM, lagging also
[06:45 am] Mitch : also watching SFSF for short on top of bounce that has started
[06:46 am] Kris : LULU new lows
[06:46 am] Kris : will look to add on a bounce in NFLX into resistance levels
[06:46 am] Mitch : watching APKT for bottom
[06:46 am] Mitch : watching CTRP for bounce
[06:47 am] Kris : out half HAL short
[06:47 am] Mitch : SPY breakeven for day, now slightly negative
[06:47 am] Mitch : watch the casinos: WYNN, LVS for bounces, always good movers both ways, very volatile
[06:48 am] Kris : moving stop on rest of ANR to BE
[06:48 am] Kris : moving stop on rest of NEM to BE
[06:48 am] Kris : out half ANR short
[06:48 am] Mitch : watching PH for bounce
[06:48 am] Mitch : watching VMW for bottom to buy
[06:49 am] Kris : might consider a long in TNA soon too
[06:49 am] Kris : NEM new lows
[06:49 am] Kris : ok, start looking for strong stocks against this selling
[06:49 am] Kris : we should get a bounce soon
[06:49 am] Mitch : BIDU bouncing
[06:49 am] Mitch : new low on FOSL, this is pattern we want to short tops of bounces
[06:50 am] Kris : gonna try and sit on the last 1/4 LULU short with stop at BE
[06:50 am] Kris : out another 1/4 LULU short
[06:50 am] Mitch : watching CSTR for bottom
[06:51 am] Mitch : UNH and HUM bounce doing well, next trade on this is short but may take a while, ride out longs first
[06:51 am] Mitch : we are looking for these bounces to look like the NUAN chart
[06:51 am] Mitch : which is on the right
[06:52 am] Kris : HGSI is a stock that is holding up, I'll watch that for a possible long on a SPY reversal
[06:52 am] Mitch : ideal to have bounce in SPY (S&P 500 index etf) correspond and parallel bounce in something you went long at the bottom
[06:53 am] Kris : WHR near lod, still have 1/4 position
[06:53 am] Kris : WHR new lod
[06:53 am] Mitch : SPY still heading down but should give good tradable bounce across the board with many stocks on one good bounce, probably followed by decent short scalps on those bouncers
[06:53 am] Mitch : watching GMCR for bottom
[06:54 am] Kris : HAL new lows
[06:54 am] Kris : ok, start watching for the bounce in the SPY soon
[06:54 am] Mitch : CI is also health care sector, same as AET, these will be good shorts at some point
[06:55 am] Kris : out all LULU short
[06:55 am] Mitch : getting a bounce starting with SPY, looks like
[06:55 am] Mitch : VMW bouncing
[06:56 am] Kris : out all NEM short
[06:56 am] Mitch : watching CAM for abottom
[06:57 am] Kris : housing market index report coming out in 3 mins
[06:57 am] Kris : mind your positions
[06:57 am] Kris : out all WHR short
[06:57 am] Mitch : UNH turning over
[06:58 am] Kris : starting to watch TNA for a long
[06:58 am] Mitch : i switch to 1 min chart when looking to execute
[06:59 am] Kris : looking for a weak bounce in NFLX and then a new lod
[06:59 am] Mitch : another ideal chart pattern we want in these bounces are shortable tops as in PII, didnt see til now, look at chart on right
[06:59 am] Mitch : thats what we want on right
[07:00 am] Kris : positive number on housing index
[07:00 am] Mitch : and we should get a drop in VMW fairly soon but its strong, so maybe 93 area for short
[07:01 am] Kris : DVA long half
[07:01 am] Mitch : COG trying to bounce
[07:01 am] Mitch : NFLX stopped going down for now but looks weak as far as a bounce
[07:02 am] Kris : no conviction by the longs yet
[07:02 am] Kris : SPY coming back down to test lows
[07:02 am] Mitch : switched VMW chart to 1 min
[07:03 am] Kris : NFLX weak bounce so far
[07:03 am] Kris : short more NFLX
[07:03 am] Kris : SPY new lod
[07:03 am] Mitch : all healthcare stocks, UNH, HUM, AET, CI all were excellent bounces and having excelelnt shorts
[07:04 am] Kris : don't chase it here to add NFLX
[07:04 am] Kris : I don't know what's in this coffee but I hope I can find it at costco
[07:04 am] Kris : too late
[07:04 am] Mitch : COG bounce weak
[07:04 am] Mitch : missed the DVA top but monitor to short around 65.75 area if it gets there
[07:04 am] Mitch : new low on SINA
[07:05 am] Mitch : GMCR bounce getting toppy (means getting close to peaking and turning over)
[07:06 am] Mitch : first helping short in healthcare stocks here, can hold through this bounce (better) or try to cover and short again, (more difficult)
[07:07 am] Mitch : RL bouncing stronger than expected, didnt mention this one but now watch for top to short in RL, Ralph Lauren
[07:08 am] Kris : looking for 38.39 first target TNA long
[07:08 am] Kris : SPY pushed through resistance
[07:08 am] Kris : this could have some follow through
[07:08 am] Kris : TNA long half
[07:08 am] Mitch : here is opportunity for better short price on VMW
[07:08 am] Mitch : VMW probably turns over here soon
[07:08 am] Mitch : WYNN bouncing much stronger than LVS, unusual, tells me to watch for more bounce in LVS
[07:09 am] Kris : watch that 120 SPY as next resistance
[07:09 am] Mitch : ok, no bounce in healthcare, more downside
[07:10 am] Kris : out half TNA long
[07:10 am] Kris : YOKU short
[07:10 am] Mitch : SINA doing what is expected on daily chart, more down but could give good bounce sometime today
[07:11 am] Kris : BIDU and SINA getting defended
[07:11 am] Kris : crybabies
[07:11 am] Mitch : LNCR more downside
[07:11 am] Mitch : makes sense the bounce in indexes at open was headfake
[07:12 am] Kris : CELG short
[07:12 am] Kris : moving up stop on last 1/4 TNA to BE
[07:12 am] Kris : out another 1/4 TNA long
[07:12 am] Mitch : put ATW on your watchlist for potential shorts
[07:12 am] Mitch : SPY bounce turning over a little
[07:13 am] Kris : no, I'm not short VMW boomboom
[07:13 am] Mitch : new low on BIDU
[07:14 am] Kris : but it's making a lower high and at trendline support
[07:14 am] Kris : SPY trying to hold up here
[07:14 am] Mitch : continue monitoring CSTR for short
[07:14 am] Mitch : watch WRC for short, lower vol but monitor
[07:15 am] Kris : DISH has fleas
[07:15 am] Kris : IBM new lod
[07:15 am] Mitch : monitor NUAN for short around 22.80 area
[07:15 am] Mitch : still liking VMW as short
[07:16 am] Mitch : watching PVH for short on top of bounce
[07:17 am] Kris : FMCN weak bounce, I'll look for a short on a new lod
[07:17 am] Kris : SPY turning over
[07:17 am] Mitch : SPY bounce turning over
[07:17 am] Mitch : WYNN short on top of bounce working well, LVS dropped faster. THis is exactly what you are looking for. many targets today for this technique
[07:18 am] Kris : NFLX still looking weak
[07:18 am] Kris : sellers coming in here
[07:18 am] Mitch : but those two i just mentioned, WYNN and LVS are over, got it? no trade in these two, these are examples
[07:18 am] Mitch : PVH toppy
[07:19 am] Mitch : ok now with PVH, you are looking for around 63.75, maybe toward low on day like today
[07:19 am] Mitch : went back to 2 min chart
[07:20 am] Mitch : VMW turning down, atta boy
[07:22 am] Kris : SPY quick bounce
[07:22 am] Kris : YOKU new lows
[07:22 am] Mitch : RL moving higher
[07:22 am] Mitch : small short in KSU here
[07:24 am] Kris : CTSH short half
[07:24 am] Mitch : CRR toppy, decent short
[07:24 am] Mitch : good little buy program on indexes
[07:24 am] Mitch : keep monitoring NUAN for short
[07:25 am] Kris : HRBN breaking out
[07:26 am] Mitch : watching COG, stronger than expected, watch for shortable top
[07:27 am] Kris : looking to enter my first 1/4 in TZA long swing here just over 40.00
[07:27 am] Mitch : watching RNOW for same pattern. market is little strong last few min for shorts
[07:28 am] Mitch : but this pattern of shorting on top of bounces should work. trying to set you up with many ideas that will last for maybe 90 min or 2hours
[07:28 am] Mitch : VMW not cooperating for short yet, looking trendy, which isnt good for short
[07:32 am] Mitch : your heads should be swiveling right now scanning many of the stock charts posted below, looking for top and shortable entries
[07:33 am] Kris : out all TNA long
[07:33 am] Mitch : thats how you make more money, build charts for many of these symbols and then monitor. YOu get paid right now in the first 90 min each day
[07:34 am] Mitch : RNOW turning over
[07:36 am] Kris : SPY testing hod resistance
[07:38 am] Kris : PNRA short half
[07:38 am] Kris : TEVA short half
[07:39 am] Mitch : NUAN turning over
[07:40 am] Mitch : watching WDC for short at some point, strong right now
[07:41 am] Kris : SPY new hod
[07:41 am] Mitch : dont like how VMW is acting for short; could eventually turn over but other targets better
[07:41 am] Mitch : for short
[07:41 am] Mitch : FOSL another short target
[07:41 am] Mitch : MCP also good target
[07:42 am] Kris : could be a false breakout on SPY, see if it has follow through
[07:42 am] Mitch : new high on SPY
[07:43 am] Kris : JOYG consolidating under resistance
[07:48 am] Kris : NFLX new lod
[07:49 am] Kris : PNRA still looking weak
[07:52 am] Kris : JPM defending UNH
[07:53 am] Mitch : MCP toppy
[07:54 am] Kris : SPY testing trendline support
[07:55 am] Mitch : watching COG closer for top
[07:56 am] Mitch : RL toppy
[08:05 am] Mitch : anyhone short LNCR again?
[08:13 am] Kris : watch NFLX for a break below 112
[08:30 am] Brent : SPY coming into trendline resistance
[08:33 am] Mitch : CSTR not looking good from here on short
[08:33 am] Mitch : FOSL turning over
[08:34 am] Mitch : PVH still possible, slow motion but should break down
[08:36 am] Mitch : see this chart here on left? this is what we are looking for
[08:38 am] Kris : SPY breakout new hod
[08:38 am] Mitch : but CHKP could easily give another helping short
[08:38 am] Mitch : CHKP is example of what we want blake, not a trade idea
[08:38 am] Mitch : problem is SPY just made new high and climbing so its hard to short now
[08:39 am] Kris : watching TZA for a long day trade here
[08:39 am] Kris : we're getting some increasing price and volume
[08:39 am] Mitch : anyone get part of SINA bounce
[08:40 am] Mitch : monitor CXO
[08:58 am] Brent : SPY new hod
[09:18 am] Brent : SPY coming into trendline support
[09:40 am] Kris : held trendline
[09:40 am] Kris : SPY new hod
[10:08 am] Kris : SPY consolidating and coming into trendline support again
[10:29 am] Mitch : should get a bounce here in the SPY, indexes, check TNA as long
[10:52 am] Brent : SPY testing hod
[11:13 am] Mitch : did you guys follow through with those shorts?
[11:22 am] Kris : MANH ALERT
[11:22 am] Kris : MANH earnings beat
[11:24 am] Kris : break time. be back in 30
[12:00 pm] Brent : SPY new hod
[12:32 pm] Mitch : MCP shortable here
[12:44 pm] Mitch : for MCP short to work
[12:44 pm] Mitch : no market too hot
[12:53 pm] Brent : Have a good night everyone. I'll be out until Monday. Hope everyone has a great week and weekend
[01:00 pm] Kris : good night everyone. see you tomorrow morning.
[01:01 pm] Mitch : later guys
[06:06 am] joeytsa : Bernanke speaks at 1:15 est, PPIm/m up,Core ppi m/m up slightly, TIC long-term purchases up huge...
[06:09 am] anthonyb : joey, any news on CROX?
[06:09 am] joeytsa : earnings
[06:09 am] joeytsa : same with IBM
[06:09 am] joeytsa : they are down $9
[06:10 am] joeytsa : CROX reported last night i think
[06:11 am] anthonyb : Nov 3 I think
[06:11 am] anthonyb : they cut their forecast
[06:11 am] candelas : financials gettn a bid premktt
[06:11 am] joeytsa : lowered earnings/sales outlook, slowing growth in europe
[06:11 am] joeytsa : must just have been a news leak then
[06:13 am] sonorant : gm all -- joey, what is ppi? ppi core?
[06:14 am] joeytsa : sonorant, producer price index
[06:14 am] joeytsa : sonorant, producer price index
[06:15 am] joeytsa : core= excludes food,energy
[06:15 am] joeytsa : m/m= month to month
[06:16 am] sonorant : so if it is up that is bulllish? bearish?
[06:17 am] joeytsa : gap ups: GS,HGSI,FSLR,AAPL,EMC
[06:17 am] trvlntrdr : crox does have official earning release later this month but they did lower their next quarters expectations. still they expect growth
[06:18 am] joeytsa : gap down: CROX,IBM,REGN,DECK,HOG
[06:22 am] jewels : Good morning. I'm pretty new to the room. I'm still watching to see how you roll in here.
[06:23 am] blakesax : I'm new too jewels, from what I see. They roll on a gravy train with biscuit wheels
[06:23 am] joeytsa : i dont usually play lower priced stocks, but both HALO,CHUX have decent gap ups
[06:23 am] joeytsa : welcome jewels
[06:23 am] lisas : hi jewels, welcome to room
[06:25 am] derns : Mitch..do those limits affect ETF's such as SLV, AGQ, ZSL?
[06:25 am] joeytsa : they will grant exemptions for bona fide hedging
[06:26 am] sonorant : I heard that one of the issues is speculation on the price of food items -- driving up the cost of food. That would effect the general public more than speculation on gold.
[06:26 am] trvlntrdr : I think some of the increase in gold could be due to buying by China and India, isn't that a possibility?
[06:29 am] trvlntrdr : HFT could be solved by restricting orders to 1-2 a sec it seems
[06:30 am] bandit : why waltz when you can rock and roll?
[06:30 am] joeytsa : VMW watch
[06:30 am] joeytsa : yeah Mitch, level2 has really changed
[06:30 am] shark : Fundamentals win at the end of the day!
[06:30 am] shark : You can only fake the HFT prices for short ter
[06:31 am] joeytsa : out VMW...looking for a short setup
[06:31 am] shark : GMCR selling
[06:31 am] skydiver : watching VMW
[06:32 am] shark : LULU dropping
[06:33 am] joeytsa : watching NFLX
[06:33 am] skydiver : covered VMW 71
[06:33 am] skydiver : S VMW 93.72
[06:34 am] shark : LULU dropping
[06:34 am] shark : yeah, just have to pay more to "watch" it now joeytsa
[06:34 am] skydiver : covered VMM 92.71
[06:36 am] garyb : Doji, I ended up buying more TZA
[06:37 am] doji : Keep a close eye in TZA... just in case in reverse today
[06:37 am] garyb : THanks for the update Kris! I am loading up slowly
[06:37 am] joeytsa : SINA falling
[06:38 am] anthonyb : FRX
[06:38 am] anthonyb : MAT
[06:38 am] joeytsa : closed out on VMW short :)
[06:38 am] skydiver : watching JAZZ
[06:40 am] joeytsa : TZOO
[06:41 am] doji : SINA tanking
[06:41 am] joeytsa : might be too late sorry
[06:41 am] shark : GMCR further down move
[06:41 am] skydiver : good job joey!
[06:42 am] anthonyb : FRX
[06:42 am] joeytsa : closing HGSI short
[06:42 am] joeytsa : great trade Kris
[06:44 am] shark : GMCR testing yesterdays low
[06:44 am] trvlntrdr : hog moving up while spy falling
[06:45 am] joeytsa : VMW trying to close that gap
[06:45 am] mhaus : HAL
[06:46 am] doji : NFLX S below 114
[06:47 am] joeytsa : VMW trying to set up a 3mf,
[06:48 am] joeytsa : VMW just broke below the prev close
[06:49 am] mikewd2 -: WLT lod
[06:51 am] garyb : Hey Mike...you are not swinging TZA?
[06:51 am] mikewd2 -: CRM
[06:51 am] mikewd2 -: out TZA +0.73
[06:51 am] ppann : nice trade mike
[06:52 am] doji : TZA moving up nicely....
[06:52 am] ppann : trying some ES at 1189
[06:52 am] shark : LULU nice drop
[06:53 am] joeytsa : still watching VMW, left a lot of money on the table on that short
[06:53 am] mhaus : CI
[06:54 am] doji : TZA will add more on a drop
[06:54 am] joeytsa : thanks Mitch
[06:54 am] mikewd2 -: SINA
[06:55 am] garyb : Me too doji
[06:55 am] ppann : total of 12 cars
[06:55 am] shark : yeah, LULU short!
[06:56 am] joeytsa : trailing VMW up
[06:56 am] ppann : added at 87.5
[06:57 am] doji : Swing Shorts in NOV and LVS after the open today as per DSR
[06:58 am] joeytsa : keep trailing VMW if you are in
[06:59 am] garyb : Mike....did you get caught in the AGQ drop or did you sell it before?
[06:59 am] joeytsa : out half VMW
[06:59 am] shark : CMG under the weather
[07:00 am] joeytsa : on VMW if a lower high, look to short possibly
[07:00 am] joeytsa : stopped out :)
[07:00 am] ppann : took half off at 1190
[07:01 am] derns : CROX moving back up
[07:01 am] mhaus : GMCR
[07:01 am] ppann : gonna see if i can get 91 on the rest
[07:01 am] ppann : made +1.25 on the first6
[07:02 am] doji : SPY also look weak on this bounce
[07:02 am] joeytsa : s VMW at 92...stop set at be
[07:03 am] joeytsa : lower stop to 91.50
[07:03 am] joeytsa : out half...VMW=$$ today
[07:03 am] mikewd2 -: nice work on VMW joey
[07:04 am] joeytsa : all out VMW
[07:04 am] joeytsa : thanks gary...stop moved to 91 on last half
[07:05 am] joeytsa : 4 trades on VMW this morning
[07:05 am] mikewd2 -: BIDU
[07:05 am] ppann : grabbd CL long 85.71
[07:06 am] joeytsa : thanks again Mitch for GMCR, lower high on that last bounce also
[07:07 am] mikewd2 -: TNA looks like a 3 min fade setup
[07:08 am] joeytsa : ppann: did you get that last ES runup?
[07:09 am] joeytsa : ES= emini s&p futures
[07:09 am] ppann : yeah got my 1191....+2.5 on that
[07:09 am] sfarrill : what is ES
[07:10 am] mikewd2 -: great call on TNA
[07:10 am] ppann : thank you joey...bounce came off 10 handle rule
[07:11 am] ppann : out CL,long at 85.93 from 85.71...5 contracts
[07:11 am] scalpman : Out 1/2 TNA L
[07:12 am] joeytsa : GMCR turned down
[07:12 am] scalpman : Out another 1/3 on TNA L
[07:13 am] boomboom : Kris, are you short VMW?
[07:13 am] doji : S FSLR here
[07:13 am] junior : out half CAM long
[07:13 am] scalpman : All out TNA
[07:15 am] joeytsa : SPY stuck between the 50/200ma on the daily
[07:15 am] joeytsa : too bad, they are the only satellite network that provides live racetrack feeds :)
[07:16 am] joeytsa : AAPL weak so far
[07:18 am] joeytsa : DECK with some nice moves today
[07:19 am] joeytsa : ES at a bit of support
[07:21 am] joeytsa : APC with a little strength
[07:21 am] mhaus : VC
[07:22 am] mhaus : TIF
[07:23 am] joeytsa : beautiful scalps on the ES so far
[07:23 am] Kris : no mike, not enough money to support, need a bigger move.
[07:23 am] mikewd2 -: setting up
[07:23 am] mikewd2 -: WLT 3min fade short?
[07:24 am] goodtimes : UNH breaking down again
[07:24 am] joeytsa : ppann: i'm playing futures pinball right now :)
[07:24 am] Kris : maybe closer to 72.00
[07:24 am] mikewd2 -: i see that now
[07:25 am] joeytsa : so far the ES has been easy, some days i get chopped up
[07:25 am] ppann : out +2 on RL...great heads up Mitch
[07:26 am] mhaus : SWK
[07:26 am] mhaus : WHR
[07:26 am] ppann : yah the ES is trading good so far...
[07:27 am] joeytsa : me 2 kris if i see the ES turn south [07:27 am] doji : will add TZA over 40 also
[07:27 am] joeytsa : see if it busts through 1194 or not
[07:27 am] joeytsa : see if it busts through 1194 or not
[07:28 am] doji : to have a full position now
[07:29 am] eyes-inthenow : How about PVH
[07:29 am] garyb : me too doji
[07:29 am] joeytsa : ES broke thru res..don't go long TZA just yet
[07:29 am] mikewd2 -: adding TZA 39.85
[07:30 am] joeytsa : me 2 ppann, been pretty strong though..cant force the trade
[07:30 am] ppann : looking round here for short ES
[07:31 am] joeytsa : might try to hit 1200
[07:31 am] ppann : i'm looking for 95 to cover from 97
[07:32 am] joeytsa : indis just turned down
[07:32 am] joeytsa : still showing strength though
[07:32 am] ppann : took half off at 95.75
[07:33 am] garyb : I'm getting whiplash over here Mitch lol
[07:33 am] ppann : scalpd eur/usd too
[07:34 am] anthonyb : VC, SFSF
[07:34 am] garyb : Just added to TZA as well
[07:34 am] joeytsa : AGU with the gap close and more
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: added TZA day trade 39.53
[07:35 am] joeytsa : WLT looking strong..hod
[07:35 am] ppann : added some to the last batch at 98
[07:36 am] doji : Watch out SPY challening hod
[07:37 am] mhaus : WHR still going strong
[07:37 am] truck : COG ,,,,hod
[07:37 am] truck : COG ,,,,hod
[07:38 am] doji : NOV S half
[07:38 am] ppann : 9 cars
[07:38 am] ppann : c/a 97.5
[07:38 am] ppann : gonna try 96 to cover now
[07:39 am] mhaus : FOSL
[07:41 am] doji : SPY hod
[07:41 am] mhaus : DVA
[07:41 am] ppann : so now next up wave should hit 1203
[07:42 am] doji : How do you get 1203 ppan on the ES?
[07:44 am] mhaus : DVA out
[07:44 am] mikewd2 -: WFC hod
[07:44 am] ppann : gonna try a short round there
[07:44 am] ppann : rules of 3 ,elliott wave etc...
[07:45 am] ppann : noooo I'm not not gonna trade ,jeez but if i were to try it would be round 1203/4 ish
[07:46 am] ppann : just gonna watch the market for a bit
[07:48 am] ppann : and i would scalp between 1 and 1.5 handles
[07:49 am] truck : COG ,, may produce a red candle here.
[07:51 am] ppann : the fib retrace....1230.75 high..to 1186.5 low is 1202.78 at 38.2%
[07:52 am] ppann : i'm just watching not in it.....
[07:53 am] mikewd2 -: got to leave, good luck to everyone!
[07:54 am] ppann : 1.5 scalp
[07:59 am] ronfrac : DJ broke uptrend line
[08:03 am] ppann : if 1203 does not convert over the lunch hour....then we test the lows of day
[08:07 am] ppann : the drop goes 7 handles 96ish
[08:08 am] derns : Is there some good news in the market?
[08:09 am] derns : Thx Ppann...that would explain it
[08:09 am] ppann : german banks
[08:09 am] ppann : might accept a higher haircut
[08:10 am] ppann : Micheal Kelmmer...BDB tell retures
[08:15 am] scalpman : Kris: TZA L over 40 still?
[08:18 am] Kris : I already got my swing trade piece scalpman
[08:19 am] ronfrac : Kris: What's your stp loss
[08:20 am] Kris : 35.85
[08:21 am] boomboom : VMW short look good?
[08:23 am] neuronx : Kris it might fly up to 60 s area ?
[08:24 am] Kris : what might fly up to 60's area?
[08:25 am] Kris : my targets will be 45, 50 and 55 areas.
[08:25 am] neuronx : TZA
[08:28 am] scalpman : TZA L @ 39.34
[08:31 am] ppann : some info on the ES...the norm for the rest of the day is down till11:15. will be followed by a bounce into lunch which then gives another down followed by an up....the last down is centered aroun2 pm with a wide window 1:30 to 2:30...then the high of day is centered round 3:40
[08:31 am] scalpman : REverse on TZA @ 39.33
[08:33 am] lisas : What time zone are you referring to ppann?
[08:34 am] junior : MCP running
[08:34 am] mhaus : DPZ
[08:34 am] ppann : any move through 1203 btwn now and lunch 12:20 will make the moving average, high odds till2:00
[08:37 am] blakesax : Mitch, what entry target for CHKP short?
[08:37 am] ppann : from 1:10 to 2:40 a zoom wedge will form thus showing the take to the upside...
[08:38 am] doji : New hod in the SPY
[08:39 am] ppann : euro,close
[08:39 am] ppann : stops and buy programs
[08:40 am] ppann : 1206.25 is the daily piviot
[08:40 am] ppann : 20 handle rule
[08:41 am] ppann : 1.7m spy block
[08:41 am] ppann : grabbd some at 1205.5
[08:43 am] ppann : a perfect 20 handles
[08:44 am] ppann : fading more at 07
[08:47 am] ppann : 10 cars
[08:47 am] ppann : cvrd at 1205.5
[08:49 am] scalpman : CXO S @ 83.27
[08:50 am] ppann : i luv nailing tiny scalps like that...no sweating it...normally i hit those big because of the fast move
[08:52 am] joeytsa : nice work peter, i notice you go for a little more than i do
[08:53 am] dano : wish I could say the same pann...I have a knack of being on the wrong saide of the mrkt lately...sheesh
[08:53 am] pandozzi : ive been daytrading sina made nice profits mitch
[08:54 am] dano : seems like I'm a piece or two away from completing the puzzle
[08:54 am] joeytsa : keep working at it dano..it will come
[08:54 am] ppann : and sometimes i'll go for even less:)
[08:54 am] ronfrac : dano: me 2. That's why I switched to Paper trades.
[08:55 am] dano : I do well paper trading...seems like a curse when I go live...lol. no emotion I guess in the paper is the diff
[08:55 am] joeytsa : it's great for honing your routine though...
[08:55 am] ppann : its tuff dano....remember to just stop thinking and ONLY react
[08:56 am] dano : trying joey...screwed up on faz order...brain fart on the stop...got blasted
[08:56 am] joeytsa : mistakes are ok just as long as you learn from them
[08:56 am] joeytsa : unfortunately it totally leaves out the emotional aspect, which is a huge factor
[08:56 am] pandozzi : i got a stop on sina 85.40 make another buck boooooya
[08:56 am] ronfrac : I was doing ok trading live but I've been practicing some webinar stuff on paper and it hasn't been pretty.
[08:56 am] sonorant : early morning for me today was a disaster. bad way to start
[08:57 am] dano : funny thing is when I enter I feel positive the move will go in the direction I thought it would
[08:57 am] ppann : thinking leads to doubt..doubt leads to losses....
[08:58 am] pandozzi : go sina my bailout today
[08:58 am] ronfrac : Mitch: On SPY Stoc Fast crossed slow down but 50 MA still trending up. DJI is the same Both 2 minute charts. Any comment on how to use iun trading?
[08:58 am] sonorant : that's true, but you have to be able to put the pieces together fast enough. A machine can process that in microseconds. w/o practice, I am much slower.
[09:00 am] mhaus : VMW
[09:00 am] ppann : there is some thin chowder stirring round 1207...
[09:00 am] ronfrac : Mitch: Opposite true of TZA. Stoc positive 50 MA flat to down on 1 min and 2 min
[09:01 am] ppann : bollingers gonna pinch then bang
[09:06 am] scalpman : Time to go...good day today...see you all tomorrow.
[09:08 am] rusty : HGSI: GlaxoSmithKline unlikely to bid for Human Genome, says Cowen
[09:09 am] ppann : bernak's speaks at 12:15
[09:12 am] lightning : NFLX approaching new lows
[09:13 am] ppann : see the BB's pinched
[09:14 am] ppann : the ES
[09:14 am] ronfrac : pp: on what stk?
[09:16 am] joeytsa : me either ppann...my bb's pinched also, but they are really tight to begin with
[09:16 am] ppann : i of course would be covering here for +2...but i promissed myself not to trade this round
[09:17 am] ppann : the chowder should produce 1203
[09:18 am] joeytsa : got away from bb's on stocks when daytrading for some reason...
[09:18 am] joeytsa : i sometimes look at a widening bb for a pullback trade
[09:19 am] joeytsa : still look at them for breakouts for swings..just another tool
[09:19 am] ppann : this is following my time frame commentary i posted earlier
[09:20 am] ppann : should hold the 03's
[09:22 am] doji : Very weird parabolic shape on the SPY..
[09:22 am] ppann : phenomena's
[09:22 am] sonorant : ppann, so what are the 03's, the 07's, etc.
[09:23 am] ppann : until the borg assimilate...then got to start all over again
[09:23 am] sonorant : can you explain them? (or do you just intend to drive the rest of us crazy talking about them? :)
[09:24 am] joeytsa : its the ES Theory of Visitivity :)
[09:24 am] ppann : robots work +90% of market
[09:25 am] joeytsa : Vision + Creativity = Visitivity :)
[09:25 am] ppann : the market has been moving in these phenom's sine 2000 [09:25 am] ppann : 3's....10 handle rule, a few more
[09:26 am] ppann : converting one layer to the next
[09:26 am] ppann : multiple of 3's tend to get hit on the way up
[09:27 am] joeytsa : you are using time based charts correct
[09:28 am] ppann : strictly numbers printed
[09:28 am] sonorant : multiples of 3's?? 3 trades or 3's as a function of price?
[09:29 am] ppann : so 1203 to 1206 1209
[09:30 am] ppann : in the phenom...never buy the ES on the 7's to the long side
[09:30 am] ppann : in the phenom...the 3's will convert to 00's
[09:33 am] ppann : lots more but won't say nada till u get this part
[09:33 am] sonorant : I am still totally in the dark
[09:36 am] qwert : cmi lots of consolidation just below hod
[09:36 am] victor51 : Could not find shorts for SINA on Fidelity. Anyone find any?
[09:37 am] joeytsa : its on the H list at lightspeed also...changes from day to day
[09:37 am] ppann : anybody can easily learn it
[09:37 am] ppann : took me 6 mths to catch it on the fly and a loss of 23,575,bucks...right down to the penny
[09:38 am] duckfan : ppann, is there a website or book you can recommend that covers this stuff? [09:37 am] sonorant : well thanks, but maybe I'm just not cut out for it -- especially since I don't trade futures ;-)
[09:38 am] jimv : ppan: any good study material?
[09:40 am] ppann : mentions of it here and there...what i'm saying is more than anyone wil ever tell you...even the source ,doesn't explain it in detail.....
[09:41 am] ppann : don't trade for 1 day
[09:41 am] ppann : if u really want to grasp it...
[09:41 am] ppann : look at the prints only
[09:42 am] ppann : look at the last number ..not the full number ...so...ur looking at 1203...only the 3
[09:43 am] joeytsa : so the ES just hit 1209 area...this would be a conversion of 3?
[09:43 am] lisas : ppann, when you say 3's convert to 0's, do you mean it will drop to 00, find support there?
[09:43 am] ppann : or run to 10's and peter out
[09:44 am] joeytsa : if i can figure this out, maybe then i can figure out how to use limit orders and stop losses on a regular basis :)
[09:44 am] lisas : and don't go long at 7, not enough room to take profit?
[09:44 am] ppann : correct
[09:44 am] ppann : the best way to do this is to then the next day look at the whole number1203....
[09:44 am] ppann : ur training ur brain and eye
[09:45 am] joeytsa : almost like pattern recognition
[09:45 am] ppann : to be able to do this on the fly
[09:48 am] rusty : FDA Chemist Liang Pleads Guilty to Insider Trading on Drug Evaluations
[10:01 am] joeytsa : as of yesterday's close, only 19% of NYSE stocks were above the 30wkma, 49% above 10wkma,40% on BPI buy signal..just some info
[10:01 am] joeytsa : as of yesterdays close, only 19% of NYSE stocks were above the 30wkma, 49% above 10wkma,40% on BPI buy signal..just some info
[10:01 am] mhaus : FSLR
[10:03 am] sonorant : my NInja trader went down - and would not shut down, and now it will not reboot. May have to start by downloading again from the website!
[10:04 am] joeytsa : DECK sitting around 20ma support, with earnings coming out on 10/28...going to look for some volume and try to get an earnings play in
[10:05 am] joeytsa : i saw that a little while ago..wasnt sure if it was true
[10:05 am] rusty : Obama's teleprompter, $200K of equipment stolen in Virginia
[10:05 am] trvlntrdr : Bush's fault
[10:06 am] eyes-inthenow : FSLR ALERT
[10:08 am] joeytsa : macd trending down during this consolidation also
[10:10 am] monster : agen
[10:14 am] doji : Market reversing
[10:15 am] terry : agen alert
[10:16 am] shark : NFLX at lod
[10:17 am] joeytsa : bernanke speaking
[10:18 am] rusty : JAZZ defended by analyst
[10:18 am] sonorant : cstr
[10:21 am] sonorant : CSTR mini plummet
[10:22 am] shark : beautiiful new lod NFLX
[10:28 am] doji : Did someone shorted FSLR on this second help?
[10:29 am] mhaus : Kris, are you TZA long?
[10:31 am] Kris : I'm long TZA swing mhaus, half position
[10:31 am] mhaus : if you don't mind, what is your entry price?
[10:32 am] dano : so long folks...off to the grind
[10:32 am] Kris : my average is 39.07
[10:32 am] mhaus : below 37.75
[10:32 am] mhaus : I am long at 39.21. Thinking to add more
[10:33 am] doji : Mhaus, my average in TZA is 38.23, I have a full position although less that 5% of my total account
[10:33 am] Kris : I'm gonna save my last 2 bullets for tomorrow.
[10:33 am] mhaus : Ok. Thanks.
[10:38 am] qwert : watching stx
[10:39 am] qwert : stx close to breakout on daily
[10:40 am] junior : good eye qwert
[10:41 am] observer : Thx, Mitch L TNA 40.69 out 40.86
[10:42 am] candelas : no love APEI
[10:54 am] junior : RCL also close to possible break out
[11:11 am] blakesax : if RCL can crack .50 and hold, should be a nice move
[11:11 am] blakesax : i'm long from .38
[11:12 am] junior : watching also blakesax, have not committed though....RCL
[11:13 am] blakesax : it printed some .50's but didn't hold
[11:14 am] blakesax : if it reaches .59...hang on to your hat junior
[11:14 am] eyes-inthenow : Which ones RNOW PVH NUAN
[11:14 am] junior : yeah, thought is was going to point there for a minute
[11:14 am] sonorant : I'm short APEI, and long (for the 2nd time) RCL
[11:15 am] blakesax : .50's print
[11:18 am] blakesax : i agree, only small size and stop is at break even now
[11:18 am] joeytsa : maybe it will pop for you, but i usually avoid stocks with small daily ranges..just from my journaling i don't get good results
[11:19 am] joeytsa : just today RCL low to high is $1.19
[11:19 am] joeytsa : some people can work them great...i haven't figured it out yet hah
[11:19 am] sonorant : great insight joey, thanks
[11:20 am] blakesax : we're comiing to test .50 again...needs to break it or else i'm getting out
[11:20 am] joeytsa : i agree sonorant..i just have problems getting profits in that small range
[11:20 am] sonorant : not bad on a $26 stock
[11:21 am] blakesax : .50 bid, let's go baby
[11:25 am] blakesax : here we go RCL
[11:25 am] mhaus : GS
[11:27 am] junior : RCL stuck at the dock
[11:28 am] blakesax : i know, got my stop at .49....that will give 11 cents...i'll take it all day
[11:29 am] junior : absolutely
[11:29 am] mhaus : HGSI
[11:30 am] joeytsa : PH on a nice run the past 30 minutes
[11:30 am] junior : gotta go early, thanks everyone, see ya tomorrow
[11:34 am] go4it : go cxo
[11:34 am] joeytsa : PCLN not looking strong on a daily, earning on 11/7
[11:44 am] trvlntrdr : new lod for NFLX
[11:52 am] joeytsa : BEAM with a quick spike
[11:55 am] lightning : FBHS moving
[11:56 am] monster : big
[12:03 pm] doji : Market spiking up
[12:04 pm] doji : Any news?
[12:04 pm] rusty : Chatter EU bailout
[12:04 pm] shark : thx rusty!!!!
[12:04 pm] sonorant : doji -- what is your TZA entry at?
[12:10 pm] doji : Rusty, my average in TZA is 38.23, I have a full position although less that 5% of my total account
[12:11 pm] doji : my stop is 35.5 same as Kris
[12:11 pm] joeytsa : AAPL running strong, reports ah
[12:11 pm] joeytsa : i tried a limit just now, and missed it..should have gone market
[12:11 pm] lisas : $esinx shows repeat programmed buying
[12:11 pm] shark : any positions AAPL joeytsa?
[12:12 pm] joeytsa : GS running up with market is logical
[12:12 pm] lisas : bonds tanking
[12:12 pm] mhaus : GS
[12:12 pm] rusty : another day on wall street
[12:12 pm] rusty : market up big on low volume
[12:12 pm] shark : call buying 2:1 vs puts AAPL
[12:12 pm] shark : GOOG up in sympathy
[12:12 pm] shark : Wall Street's little baby getting ready.
[12:13 pm] joeytsa : yep and TLT dove
[12:13 pm] ppann : took +20 on ES at 1228
[12:13 pm] shark : TBT doing well
[12:13 pm] sonorant : one could day trade TNA as TZA went down.... would be a great buffer
[12:14 pm] joeytsa : great job ppann
[12:14 pm] lisas : got 120 ticks on ym, baby trader, just one contract, lol
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : $5/tick still right?
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : very nice trade lisa
[12:15 pm] Kris : nice trade peter. I didn't see your entry post.
[12:15 pm] lisas : yes joey
[12:17 pm] Kris : you took 20 ticks profit on ES at 1228?
[12:17 pm] sonorant : lisas, how can you tell there is repeated programmed buying?
[12:18 pm] lisas : http://indexarb.com/
[12:18 pm] ppann : i stopped posting, Kris it started to get a little peter chat earlier....i did give a commentary earlier,based on a proprietary elliott wave software i use....:)....i just want to post my +20 bmy best trade of the day:)
[12:19 pm] lisas : sonorant, chart $esinx, them put horizontal lines at guidelines for s&p
[12:19 pm] pandozzi : nailed a nice long on gmcr for a 1.50 profit
[12:20 pm] lisas : I have trouble with gmcr, bounces around too much for my taste, but love their coffee!
[12:20 pm] rusty : doji... wasnt personal to you....was a feable attempt at humor on my part... no offense intended
[12:22 pm] lisas : sonorant, I also use this to stay on right side of tna/tza trade, try to stay with the trend. Somedays it doesn't help much, no signals, so then watch $ticks
[12:23 pm] ppann : I found the bonds move a bit before the spy...most of the time...
[12:23 pm] rusty : France Germany Agree to Boost Euro Zone Rescue Fund
[12:24 pm] lisas : ppann, they did start down earlier, kind of like someone knew the news was coming out
[12:26 pm] ppann : i see it as the q-tip---aka old big mony fuddy duddy slower than even Mitch have to have a head start on us young securities whipper snappers...:) [12:25 pm] joeytsa : i agree about the bonds
[12:29 pm] sonorant : ppann, have you ever heard of the 42 minute rule for the SPY?
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : time to run, another good day here in the room...good luck with the rest of your trades, see you tomorrow
[12:30 pm] ppann : the bots usually buy on the 35 min mark lately....ie every 35 min intervals
[12:31 pm] ppann : is that what ur referring too
[12:31 pm] ppann : used to be 42 min
[12:31 pm] ppann : yup,changed again....
[12:31 pm] sonorant : We had a guy in here a month or so back swore it was every 42 minutes
[12:32 pm] ppann : aat one point it was on the 15 min mark per hour
[12:32 pm] sonorant : can you tell where the reversals will happen as a result of knowing the timing?
[12:34 pm] ppann : i believe there are several methods to signals,,,mitch and the boys use great signals....others receive diff info....but if u notice...they Allll line up...aka self fulfilling profcies.....i
[12:37 pm] eyes-inthenow : mitch what would your stop be .74 MCP
[12:47 pm] jsn13 : Juz now is it because of BB's speech that market shot up? I was away juz now...
[12:47 pm] lisas : jsn, europe news
[12:48 pm] qwert : mitch- can you give your thoughts about swing shorts with today's market behavior?
[12:56 pm] rusty : NEWS WRONG
[12:56 pm] rusty : WATCH OUT BELOW
[12:57 pm] rusty : Report EFSF Firepower To Reach EUR2T "Totally Wrong"-Source
[12:57 pm] rusty : typical wall street games
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