Chat Highlights From 10/08/2012

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[06:22 am] Ed : good morning traders [06:26 am] Mitch K: NFLX on a hot run last 3 days, up again pre market
[06:27 am] Mitch K: QCOR up sharply today too pre market
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching INFY for bottom
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching NFLX for trades both ways today
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching QLIK for top
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watchign NAV for top
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watchiong KMX for top to short
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching HOG for top to short
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching CELG for bottom
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching AAPL for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching ASH for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: monitoring CRM
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching VRTX for short
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching SFUN for bottom to buy
[06:33 am] Mitch K: monitoring EBAY
[06:33 am] Mitch K: looking for CMG to trend up today
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching CRUS for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching AGNC for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching DDD for bottom to buy
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching MPC for top to short
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching CAT for bottom
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching HOG to cover short and for bounce
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watchign ACTG for bottom
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching CLF for top to short
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching NTSP for top to short, missed bottom
[06:38 am] Mitch K: monitoring SHW drop
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching healthcare stocks for top to short:  UNH, HUM, AET, WLP, CI
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching AN for top to short
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching PRGS for bottom, trades both way today long and short
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching MMR for bottom
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching SFY for bottom to buy
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching EMN for bottom to buy
[06:44 am] Mitch K: watching FFIV for top to short
[06:44 am] Mitch K: consider selling CRM if long
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching RVBD for top
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching PCG for top to short, maybe a 1% potential profit, not huge
[06:46 am] Mitch K: monitoring CCI
[06:47 am] Mitch K: consider selling NFLX if long or reduce
[06:47 am] Mitch K: monitor HOG for 2nd helping short
[06:47 am] Mitch K: consider selling HOG if long
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching WHR for top to short
[06:48 am] Mitch K: consider reducing INFY
[06:48 am] Mitch K: consider covering VRTX if short
[06:50 am] Mitch K: watching SPLK for top to short, sell soon if long
[06:51 am] Mitch K: watching VHC for bottom
[06:56 am] Ed : KMX turned over nicely
[06:59 am] Mitch K: GDOT rebounding after 25% drop today
[07:00 am] Mitch K: consider selling CRUS
[07:00 am] Mitch K: consider selling CMG
[07:03 am] Mitch K: more downside on KMX short
[07:04 am] Mitch K: consider selling CCI if long
[07:04 am] Mitch K: AKAM turning over
[07:07 am] Mitch K: watchign HOG for 2nd helping short soon
[07:11 am] Ed : SPY trading in tight range
[07:12 am] Mitch K: consider covering UNH
[07:12 am] Mitch K: real quiet in futures and forex too
[07:13 am] Mitch K: consider covering AET and CI too
[07:13 am] Mitch K: consider covering HUM short
[07:14 am] Mitch K: consider covering KMX short
[07:15 am] Mitch K: micro trade on PCG
[07:15 am] Mitch K: 2nd helping short on PCG
[07:15 am] Mitch K: low vol dumper CLMT, watching but real low vol
[07:21 am] Mitch K: no hurry, monitoring PETM
[07:28 am] Mitch K: watching ACOR for bottom to buy
[07:34 am] Mitch K: more downside on MPC
[07:35 am] Mitch K: more downside on MPC, WHR, FFIV, HOG, and probably QLIK
[07:37 am] Mitch K: if you wanted a swing trade, QCOR is a good one, looking for $26-28 in 2-3 weeks
[07:38 am] Mitch K: NFLX starting to turn into a bullshort on daily chart
[07:38 am] Mitch K: looking for more downside on MPC
[07:39 am] Mitch K: gotta love those healthcare stocks
[07:58 am] Mitch K: soon
[07:58 am] Mitch K: watching ACOR for 2nd long
[08:01 am] Mitch K: watching for 2nd short on OPEN, missed first
[08:03 am] Mitch K: watching EZPW for bounce, slow motion
[08:22 am] Ed : test SPY  nearing lod
[08:28 am] Mitch K: you passed test but got C
[08:35 am] Ed : another bear cup pattern on 15min chart SRPT
[08:36 am] Ed : thats AAPL
[08:37 am] Ed : u can look for those same patterns on any timeframe
[08:38 am] Ed : EZPW on 15min chart
[08:39 am] Ed : FB on 15min chart
[08:41 am] Ed : again this is 15min chart
[08:41 am] Ed : works on all instruemtns this is EUR/USD. Saw pattern setup last night
[08:41 am] Ed : nice short when it lost 1.3000
[09:12 am] Ed : nice bounce in SPY
[09:35 am] Mitch K: starting to watch HPY
[10:13 am] Ed : AAPL teasing with lows
[10:16 am] Ed : woud like to see a push close to 50 area for potential short on LLY
[10:17 am] Ed : this is an advanced trade
[10:27 am] Ed : just wil see how price/vol reacts to 50 level
[10:33 am] Ed : nice one on LLY  thx murano
[10:42 am] Ed : test
[10:44 am] Mitch K: you passed test, your grade is B-
[10:49 am] Ed : test
[11:59 am] Ed : .
[12:01 pm] Ed : getting bounce in SPY
[12:15 pm] Ed : SPY nearing hod
[12:24 pm] Ed : getting pullback in SPY
[12:58 pm] Ed : have a great evening traders
[01:01 pm] Mitch K: later guys
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: this is natural gas, been very active lately.  forecasts of cold cold winter spiking natural gas
[01:04 pm] Mitch K: ok see this yellow area?
[01:05 pm] Mitch K: see all those wicks?
[01:05 pm] Mitch K: its working real well, got lucky actually
[01:05 pm] Mitch K: this is the area where a No trading zone is issued.  its a strong suggestion to not trade during this time
[01:06 pm] Mitch K: we dont want to be trading during that time
[01:06 pm] Mitch K: but all those wicks, that gyration with no real big move that lasts?  see that?
[01:06 pm] Mitch K: yes, yellow area will be on charts.  trying to get it programmed for you to have a choice to have a women's voice to announce the beginning of No Trading Zone
[01:07 pm] Mitch K: like that big move, you want to be trading, not the little tiny stuff that is just frustrating and exhausting
[01:07 pm] Mitch K: and then you miss teh big moves
[01:07 pm] Mitch K: this will eat up profits and create lots of small losses if you try trading that
[01:08 pm] Mitch K: know what i mean?
[01:08 pm] Mitch K: you guuys notice that when you trade a bunch of small stuff that you lose sight of the big picture and its easy to miss big moves or where you are in a bigger move?
[01:09 pm] Mitch K: there it is again, garbage, all garbage
[01:10 pm] Mitch K: wont show
[01:10 pm] Mitch K: see all that confusing, sell, buy, sell, buy in the blue circle?
[01:10 pm] Mitch K: ok, during this yellow painted area . . . . trade signals will not be shown
[01:10 pm] Mitch K: i said i would stop tinkering and send it out to you but i just couldnt do it, it just wasnt good enough and i knew that the newer traders would complain
[01:11 pm] Mitch K: let me look around a little more with some charts.  today, in futures and forex, was really quiet, almost dead.  there were some trades but very quiet
[01:11 pm] Mitch K: this means will save you from many unnecessary losses
[01:12 pm] Mitch K: If we are not able have an on-off sound switch on her voice NTZ, then we will prob keep it off because it will be annoying to have 16 charts open and NTZ is being announced often, like today
[01:12 pm] Mitch K: so this No Trading Zone was firing off a lot
[01:13 pm] Mitch K: its easy to say in your head "alright, i know already"
[01:14 pm] Mitch K: if you guys want to guarantee an increase in profits...... do what im doing now, review charts every day
[01:15 pm] Mitch K: big move there
[01:15 pm] Mitch K: look how much yellow today
[01:15 pm] Mitch K: i just loaded more backhistory to 6 days, ninja presets to 3 days
[01:17 pm] Mitch K: if it is too dark, it will start interfering, we need to see through it victor.
[01:17 pm] Mitch K: you mean the NTZ color victor?
[01:18 pm] Mitch K: this is that last 30-45 min qwert in CL.  i was saying big moves in CL last 30-45 min, there they are, on schedule as usual
[01:19 pm] Mitch K: i didnt trade much today, was studying lots of settings, tweaking, working with LIghtning
[01:20 pm] Mitch K: you guys just remember that you really want to use Lightning the right way.  and be picky, wait for good clear signals, and when you do that, your profits go skyrocketing.
[01:22 pm] Mitch K: you can have let's say, for example, 3-4 trades in an instrument like CL which is crude oil, 2 trades in GC, which is GOld, 2-3 silver trades, maybe 4-5 stock trades in first hour, and your day would just be fabulous.
[01:23 pm] Mitch K: even if you had only 3-4 trades all day in a combination of 1, 2 or 3 instruments (gold, silver, natural gas, SP minis, Dow FUtures, whatever) and it will be very successful, probably a lot more profits per trade than what you are doing now
[01:24 pm] Mitch K: this was oil on Friday
[01:26 pm] Mitch K: see those two buy signals in a row about 21 minutes apart?
[01:26 pm] Mitch K: its corn i think, pretty sure
[01:26 pm] Mitch K: ok see this here
[01:27 pm] Mitch K: means a new surge of buying is occuring actually
[01:27 pm] Mitch K: just means to keep holding
[01:27 pm] Mitch K: we are going to show consecutive signals, which is fine
[01:28 pm] Mitch K: i got to go now, later
[01:28 pm] Mitch K: ive lost track of corn.
[01:28 pm] Mitch K: started moving in JUne on the drought news
[01:28 pm] Mitch K: daily chart on CORN

[06:04 am] mikewd2 -: good morning traders
[06:04 am] qwert  : Good morning everyone
[06:10 am] joeytsa  : Good morning Mitch, traders
[06:11 am] khall  : good morning all
[06:11 am] eyes  : Gm Everyone
[06:12 am] mikewd2 -: you ready to make some money today eyes?
[06:13 am] eyes  : You nkow it
[06:13 am] mikewd2 -: oil 89 bucks
[06:13 am] mikewd2 -: HPQ down to 14.50
[06:14 am] joeytsa  : glad i dont have any
[06:14 am] mikewd2 -: me too
[06:14 am] eyes  : Does Chingo still have it
[06:14 am] joeytsa  : not sure
[06:14 am] mikewd2 -: i hope not, but not sure
[06:14 am] doji  : Good morning L&G
[06:15 am] mikewd2 -: Ed, recommended him consider going short on equal number of shares. would have worked out for him.
[06:15 am] joeytsa  : gap up: NFLX,SRPT
[06:16 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR up nicely
[06:16 am] joeytsa  : gap down:AAPL,GDOT
[06:17 am] qwert  : mdrx nice gap up
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : yeah MDRX and TPCG
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : MDRX possibly buyout?
[06:18 am] joeytsa  : same with TPCG
[06:18 am] mikewd2 -: SRPT up premarket, 1.3
[06:20 am] joeytsa  : Earnings seaon kicks off tomorrow with AA and YUM
[06:21 am] doji  : QCOR up above 20
[06:21 am] lisas  : gm all
[06:21 am] taco  : good morning
[06:22 am] qwert  : gm ed
[06:22 am] mikewd2 -: yeah doji, i considered it at 20 premarket but did not take it.
[06:23 am] doji  : It was on Mitch DSR...
[06:23 am] doji  : but I closed in on Friday.... didn't like the sudden selloff although it recooursvered in the last h
[06:26 am] mikewd2 -: watching YOKU for breakout above 20
[06:27 am] elisha  : GM Mitch, Ed and everyone
[06:27 am] ticktrader  : Good Morning Mitch, Ed
[06:27 am] ticktrader  : Good Morning Elisha
[06:27 am] elisha  : good Morning Ticktrader
[06:28 am] doji  : APPL holding 644 for now....
[06:29 am] skydiver  : gm all
[06:35 am] doji  : QCOR heading to 20
[06:38 am] mikewd2 -: FSLR
[06:41 am] doji  : PAY
[06:44 am] doji  : SPY moving up
[06:46 am] skydiver  : NOG is up after a report stating NOG might be an aquistion target
[06:48 am] mikewd2 -: VRNG moving again
[06:48 am] doji  : CMG
[06:48 am] mikewd2 -: nice 10 pt move on CMG, doji
[06:48 am] skydiver  : LULU  KORTS   LNKD    CRM   JOY   -- came up nice - now monitoring for shorts if spy drops
[06:48 am] gum  : Mitch, thanks for KMX, big one
[06:48 am] skydiver  : KORS -
[06:49 am] mikewd2 -: nice KMX, missed it
[06:50 am] skydiver  : thnx for CRM L earlier Mitch :)
[06:50 am] doji  : GMCR
[06:54 am] doji  : Out 1/2 CMG from 283.65
[06:55 am] mikewd2 -: watching CLF for 40
[06:55 am] skydiver  : nice one doji on CMG
[06:56 am] doji  : stopped 1/2 half CMG
[06:56 am] joeytsa  : ES trading in about a 2pt range so far
[06:57 am] elisha  : goog forming pennant?
[06:59 am] doji  : GOOG?
[06:59 am] mikewd2 -: CLF S, stop above 40
[07:00 am] elisha  : yes
[07:01 am] doji  : CLF hummmmm
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: been a good short at 40 for a while,
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: re: CLF
[07:02 am] doji  : It's riding the 10dMA
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: KMX consoldidating for another move up
[07:02 am] doji  : 10minMA
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: KMX L 32.15
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: stop below 32
[07:03 am] mikewd2 -: so VIX up 5.5%, UVXY down - go figure.
[07:04 am] mikewd2 -: no higher CLF!!!!
[07:05 am] mikewd2 -: stopped on CLF
[07:05 am] doji  : PAY
[07:07 am] skydiver  : KMX -- still dropping
[07:08 am] joeytsa  : KMX talk on cnbc, might give it a pop?
[07:09 am] skydiver  : not sure joey -- I am short in KMX at moment -
[07:09 am] joeytsa  : see if MPC holds $59
[07:10 am] doji  : NFLX wants to break 73
[07:10 am] mikewd2 -: WLT turning over
[07:12 am] joeytsa  : maybe a lot of traders took today off?
[07:13 am] skydiver  : coiuld be joey
[07:13 am] joeytsa  : not sure if school is open today or not, i hear the band practicing though
[07:13 am] ticktrader  : Is it a bank holiday? Schools are open todya
[07:14 am] mikewd2 -: i think bank and no postal today
[07:14 am] mikewd2 -: but not 100% sure
[07:14 am] joeytsa  : yeah, but maybe some people made it a 3day weekend?
[07:14 am] doji  : Watching FB
[07:14 am] skydiver  : all out of KMX short
[07:14 am] mikewd2 -: nice sky, i'm still long
[07:15 am] mikewd2 -: watching SRPT
[07:15 am] skydiver  : thnx for KMX short Mitch -- you are Mike?  -- may turn in your favour
[07:15 am] mikewd2 -: stop 31.81
[07:16 am] skydiver  : gotcha mike
[07:16 am] regatta  : GNC
[07:17 am] mikewd2 -: joey must have re-stocked, GNC! lol
[07:17 am] skydiver  : well - 3 trades and made 28 cents per share on two and 26 cents on the other -- making a fortune so far :)
[07:17 am] joeytsa  : haha
[07:17 am] joeytsa  : one small step for man..
[07:17 am] skydiver  : good thing Ipm trading 1,000,000 shares at a time :)
[07:18 am] skydiver  : I am
[07:18 am] doji  : If they werer 10,000 shares position as Mike, they you hit the jackpot
[07:18 am] skydiver  : yes -- only doing 400 at a time
[07:18 am] joeytsa  : still a profit
[07:18 am] skydiver  : agreed joey
[07:19 am] mikewd2 -: still think CLF is toppy
[07:20 am] doji  : I just did one trade in CMG... only 200 shares although
[07:20 am] skydiver  : still nice doji - profit :)
[07:20 am] doji  : $6/share.....
[07:21 am] mikewd2 -: nice doji
[07:21 am] joeytsa  : nice trade
[07:21 am] doji  : Thanks...
[07:21 am] mikewd2 -: stopped KMX
[07:22 am] skydiver  : doji - beats my price per share by a lot :)   nice job
[07:23 am] doji  : AAPL
[07:23 am] mikewd2 -: qcor moving again
[07:23 am] skydiver  : ACOR
[07:23 am] joeytsa  : ACOR dropping
[07:24 am] doji  : Dang... mised the rebound in QCOR from 20
[07:24 am] mikewd2 -: watching YOKU for support
[07:24 am] skydiver  : ACOR - rumor = Therapeutics moves down on Ampyra concerns
[07:27 am] joeytsa  : AAPL to test $640
[07:27 am] doji  : Bye 640 for APPL
[07:28 am] joeytsa  : that was a quick move
[07:28 am] Ed : AAPL  had nice bear cup also showing up friday on 15min cjhart
[07:28 am] Ed : one can go back and study pattern
[07:28 am] joeytsa  : sure did Ed
[07:28 am] elisha  : thx
[07:28 am] elisha  : Ed
[07:29 am] joeytsa  : almost a h/s that broke around $665
[07:29 am] joeytsa  : ES testing lod area
[07:30 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR hod
[07:30 am] doji  : Are you in QCOR Mike?
[07:30 am] mikewd2 -: no doji
[07:31 am] doji  : I missed the rebound at 20....
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : nice red candle there
[07:31 am] doji  : but volume was not there so I just passed
[07:33 am] Ed : SPY nearing lod
[07:34 am] doji  : ACOR
[07:35 am] mikewd2 -: CLF hod
[07:36 am] doji  : Yeap, bullish cup
[07:37 am] doji  : NFLX
[07:40 am] Ed : getting nice bounce in SPY
[07:43 am] Ed : SPY mew hod
[07:43 am] doji  : Any news moving the SPY?
[07:44 am] joeytsa  : break time, see you all in a little bit
[07:44 am] doji  : APPL back above 640
[08:09 am] mikewd2 -: watching for another long on SRPT
[08:09 am] mikewd2 -: SRPT new lod
[08:18 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR at 20 again
[08:20 am] joeytsa  : CLF cons just under $41
[08:21 am] qwert  : been watching that joey
[08:22 am] qwert  : cya Ed
[08:22 am] joeytsa  : ES 4pt range all day
[08:24 am] Ed : thx qwert
[08:24 am] qwert  : :))
[08:28 am] qwert  : haha
[08:28 am] Ed : oh well
[08:31 am] doji  : NFLX hod
[08:35 am] doji  : EZPW at 20...
[08:36 am] joeytsa  : good eye Ed, grade was just raised to a B+  :)
[08:36 am] Ed : lol
[08:42 am] jsn13  : for stocks on 1min, how many cents belwo or above do u use for entry?
[08:42 am] jsn13  : above or below cup break i mean...
[08:42 am] joeytsa  : probably depends on your trade timeframe
[08:42 am] Ed : matter of preference, just stay away from whole numbers
[08:42 am] Ed : right joey
[08:43 am] jsn13  : if trade on intraday 1min chart?
[08:43 am] Ed : there is no perfect answer
[08:43 am] jsn13  : what is the system then?
[08:43 am] Ed : u bck test and see what works best for ur style of trading
[08:44 am] Ed : see we can give direction, basis for trading but after that, u want it to be based on ur style not mine
[08:44 am] jsn13  : ed, as a reference, what do u use? 8-10 cents if trading on 1min chart? or a certain percentage?
[08:45 am] Ed : it varies, sometimes will give .33 or .79
[08:45 am] Ed : sometimes i will cheat, meaning take entry earlier and add. But thats my style
[08:46 am] jsn13  : u mean for the break of 15min chart cup breaks that is?
[08:46 am] Ed : so if I tell you to always use .33 u will take that as gospel, and u dont want to do that
[08:46 am] jsn13  : yup i wont do that....
[08:46 am] Ed : i use that on 1min
[08:47 am] jsn13  : ok thanks...
[08:48 am] Ed : hope that makes sense. So what u do is maybe learn from say few traders, and see what they use as far as entries. Then derive ur own
[08:48 am] doji  : and remeber, Ed takes one share at a time
[08:48 am] jsn13  : ya sure...thanks....
[08:48 am] Ed : See the pattern is the pattern, the other is all about working the trade when u see that pattern
[08:48 am] Ed : i need to bump that up doji
[08:48 am] joeytsa  : good point Ed
[08:49 am] jsn13  : agree and understand...
[08:49 am] Ed : to like 1.1
[08:49 am] elisha  : Ed, what ma settings do you think gives the clearest pic of what is going on with a stock?
[08:49 am] Ed : cant see the word after what
[08:50 am] elisha  : ma = moving average
[08:50 am] Ed : ok
[08:51 am] Ed : the clearest for lack of better word really is common sense, what I mean is its simple, we just make it compicated
[08:51 am] elisha  : feel as if i am looking at charts through a gauzy veil
[08:51 am] Ed : when we look at chart we can see what overal trend is say on 15min or daily
[08:52 am] Ed : we complicate with all the indicators and overthinking
[08:52 am] mikewd2 -: nice down move in TSO today
[08:52 am] mikewd2 -: unfortunately didnt short on that bounce
[08:52 am] Ed : so this is why its good to know overall direction of the stock, u get this from larger time frames
[08:53 am] Ed : like using daily or 15min is good for this
[08:54 am] Ed : Now on to the more complicated, in starting out, its best to flow or trade with the overall trend
[08:55 am] elisha  : i'm listening
[08:55 am] Ed : like we pull up chart of AAPL we see it looks ugly, we dont have to be rocket scientist to see its ugly coming into today
[08:56 am] Ed : just drew to show where trend is
[08:56 am] Ed : where has trend been going
[08:56 am] Ed : down down down down
[08:57 am] Ed : now we are speaking of basics not advanced
[08:57 am] Ed : so on basic side, why would we want to long a downtrender as a day trade??
[08:57 am] elisha  : short it
[08:57 am] Ed : can everyone see that chart
[08:57 am] elisha  : yes
[08:57 am] qwert  : yep
[08:57 am] jsn13  : yes
[08:57 am] taco  : ya
[08:58 am] Ed : right or stand on sidelines
[08:58 am] joeytsa  : yep
[08:58 am] Ed : now if stock drops say to this area
[08:58 am] joeytsa  : lots of traders try to fade every single move
[08:58 am] Ed : this is where you use common sense
[08:59 am] Ed : stock has had huuge drop and stock has sold off more so dont try to short after its lost like aapl speaking of where i drew line
[08:59 am] Ed : staying on basics
[08:59 am] Ed : so u stand aside
[09:00 am] Ed : will pull  up some 1min charts
[09:00 am] Ed : but you see how we use the 15min to get overall trend
[09:00 am] elisha  : yes
[09:00 am] qwert  : yep
[09:00 am] shark  : yes
[09:01 am] Ed : so we got overall trend, then we pull up 1,min 2 day cahrt
[09:01 am] Ed : area to left is friday
[09:01 am] Ed : coming into today and premarkt this is info we have
[09:01 am] mikewd2 -: CLF finally turning over a bit
[09:02 am] mikewd2 -: 3 nice bounces on QCOR off 20
[09:02 am] Ed : thx mike
[09:03 am] Ed : thats our premarkt area drawn
[09:03 am] Ed : so looking at chart see how that 15min or overall downtrend translated into smaller time frame
[09:03 am] elisha  : yes
[09:04 am] taco  : yes
[09:04 am] Ed : downtrend on 15min, lets me know we want to be flexible never anticipate, but see what chart says
[09:04 am] Ed : chart says on 1min cant trade above fridays close, and even in premarket cant get much upward thrust
[09:05 am] Ed : so the advaced traders will look and say hey, let me short the bounce
[09:05 am] Ed : or wait for signal to get short from basic standpoint
[09:06 am] Ed : dont worry about fact that its 600+ stock, its the pattern thats key
[09:06 am] Ed : this is why you want to study charts, the more the better
[09:07 am] doji  : I always keep a trendline at the previous day high and low and close for reference. Thus is waht Ken Calhoun call your ATR
[09:07 am] Ed : this is NFLX
[09:07 am] doji  : It traded above the Friday's high and moved higher
[09:07 am] joeytsa  : same here doji
[09:08 am] Ed : this is NFLX, drew line depicting premarket trading
[09:08 am] joeytsa  : i have them color coded so i can tell at a glance where price is at
[09:08 am] mikewd2 -: also remember about 90% of the time stocks gap, they will continue to move in that direction.
[09:08 am] qwert  : same here joey
[09:09 am] Ed : lets see what 15min says about NFLX
[09:09 am] elisha  : ok
[09:09 am] Ed : 15min says strong
[09:09 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR hod
[09:09 am] Ed : been breaking out
[09:09 am] Ed : so we want the long
[09:09 am] Ed : but we never anticipate
[09:10 am] Ed : thats for another time how to play the gaps, but what want to get over is from basic standpoint what u want to be short and what you want to play long
[09:11 am] Ed : we are speaking of basic
[09:11 am] elisha  : you make it look easy, uncluttered and logical
[09:11 am] Ed : this is whay so many how problems with shorting an uptend, or taking long a downtrend
[09:11 am] Ed : cant talk
[09:11 am] Ed : this is why so many have
[09:12 am] Ed : u want to make sure u have down basic understanding
[09:12 am] Ed : does that make sense
[09:12 am] mikewd2 -: nice 6% move in MCP today
[09:12 am] elisha  : yes
[09:12 am] taco  : yes
[09:12 am] qwert  : yep
[09:13 am] eddy  : what about qcor Ed can you give us the resoning there please/
[09:13 am] Ed : the great part about the room is that ideas are given for all types of traders, but it does not mean evey idea is great trade for ur style
[09:13 am] Ed : lets look at overall pic,
[09:14 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR testing 21
[09:14 am] Ed : on my charts, when i pull up symbol, it shows me dialy, 15min and the 1min itime frame i trade on
[09:14 am] joeytsa  : another great point Ed
[09:14 am] doji  : QCOR needs to break 22.82 with volume to confirm the U-Pattern
[09:14 am] elisha  : so you're saying there is no perfect indicator setting, they must be married with knoweldge and common sense
[09:15 am] Ed : Right we do get hookep up on settings and indicators, and they do work, but we want to learn how to see what before us
[09:15 am] Ed : it has been consolidating long time
[09:16 am] Ed : now this chart for many begginers may not mean much
[09:17 am] Ed : however what do ur eyes tell you
[09:17 am] elisha  : energy being built up?
[09:17 am] shark  : nice support area getting built
[09:17 am] Ed : it has dropped from price of 50's, and the line i drew, it says after many days at bottom, sellers cant take it lower as of yet
[09:18 am] Ed : how do i know, bcuz price has been basing, or consolidating
[09:18 am] Ed : so all tht couple means we have potential long
[09:18 am] joeytsa  : yep, but based on those trendlines, i see $4 upside, $4 downside
[09:19 am] Ed : what do ur eyes tell you on 1min 2 day cahrt
[09:19 am] Ed : who is in control
[09:19 am] joeytsa  : bulls
[09:19 am] ticktrader  : buyer
[09:19 am] Ed : right
[09:19 am] Ed : u can see it
[09:19 am] jsn13  : buyers....price stays above prior high...
[09:20 am] elisha  : ok
[09:20 am] Ed : right, and sellers cant take it lower as of trading we see on charts
[09:20 am] Ed : look at premarket
[09:20 am] joeytsa  : now based on this chart i see $4up,$1 down
[09:20 am] joeytsa  : much better r/r
[09:20 am] Ed : exactly
[09:20 am] Ed : this is why u never chase, let the stock come to you
[09:21 am] doji  : Sorry but I forgot to post my second long in CMG... at 283.67
[09:21 am] Ed : it gave a chance for entry, at lower price without having to chase
[09:21 am] Ed : even bull cup
[09:21 am] Ed : on smaller timeframe if u missed early move
[09:21 am] Ed : can u all see the bull cup
[09:21 am] doji  : Yes
[09:21 am] mikewd2 -: yep
[09:21 am] qwert  : yep
[09:22 am] shark  : yes
[09:22 am] Ed : i know u guys can
[09:22 am] elisha  : would you please point to it?
[09:22 am] mikewd2 -: would have preferred a consolidation handle.
[09:22 am] Ed : imagine cup u drink out of
[09:22 am] taco  : got it
[09:22 am] mikewd2 -: instead of a failed breakout
[09:22 am] doji  : Ken Calhoun recommends to enter 30c/35c above the cup's left side
[09:22 am] ticktrader  : trendline alos happes to be R2
[09:22 am] elisha  : thx, but why not the first dip?
[09:22 am] Ed : right, key is always vol
[09:23 am] Ed : all about setting pricing such that u dont get fals breakout
[09:23 am] Ed : great Q eilisha
[09:24 am] Ed : it takes practice but most importantly the basic thing we spoke on, trade with trend, leave the advanced trading technique to once u have gotten the basic down
[09:25 am] Ed : does that help at all
[09:25 am] jsn13  : How do u have time to go through the flow of ideas in the am?
[09:25 am] taco  : yes thank you Ed
[09:26 am] jsn13  : do u repeat this process every time u see an idea posted?
[09:26 am] Ed : practice and work on getting faster
[09:26 am] Ed : and after you have done it many times come 2nd nature
[09:26 am] elisha  : I think i missed why not enter on the first dip.
[09:27 am] jsn13  : ok cool...
[09:27 am] Ed : can u give me time elish
[09:27 am] elisha  : certainly, sorry
[09:29 am] Ed : also once u study the charts, it does not matter what type, color, or ma's you have you will be able to see the setups
[09:29 am] Ed : or indicators
[09:29 am] Ed : u get a time for us elisha
[09:30 am] elisha  : pardon?
[09:31 am] eddy  : wat time of the day the first dip u r asking about elisha?
[09:32 am] elisha  : oh - on Ed's chart looks to be 9:30
[09:32 am] Ed : is that the time ur speaking of
[09:33 am] Ed : actually that would be nice lower risk getting as close to fridays close area as possible
[09:33 am] elisha  : yes, 9:30 ish - where the first dip(duplike forms)
[09:33 am] elisha  : dup=cup
[09:34 am] Ed : that time is not what i call cup, has to be complet
[09:34 am] Ed : has to form full cup
[09:34 am] elisha  : oh, ok
[09:35 am] Ed : some cups are shallow, and some are really deep
[09:35 am] Ed : just to show different chart look of sam thing
[09:36 am] Ed : this is advanced trade idea
[09:37 am] Ed : can u newer folks tell me why this is advanced?
[09:38 am] jsn13  : weak on daily?
[09:38 am] taco  : its on downtrend
[09:38 am] Ed : great job
[09:38 am] mikewd2 -: good observation guys
[09:38 am] Ed : going contrary to trend
[09:39 am] eyes  : but support at 27
[09:39 am] doji  : acceleration in price and volume... indicators don't work on those quick movers
[09:39 am] mikewd2 -: actually daily support is uptrend jason
[09:39 am] doji  : Only volume and price action
[09:40 am] Ed : about support, potential cuz support is support until its not
[09:40 am] eyes  : yup
[09:40 am] jsn13  : what do u mean mike?
[09:40 am] Ed : mike is upside down
[09:40 am] joeytsa  : hah
[09:40 am] Ed : lol
[09:40 am] elisha  : I've read you saying that before
[09:41 am] mikewd2 -: my daily looks like uptrend on HPY
[09:41 am] jsn13  : on daily chart, short term wise, it's on strong downtrend...
[09:42 am] mikewd2 -: dipping to previous support
[09:42 am] joeytsa  : actually daily getting ready to make a cup @ $27
[09:42 am] Ed : what that means ellisha is that price, can pierce on through what are percieved as potential ares of support until sellers are exhausted
[09:42 am] jsn13  : yup i see that...
[09:42 am] joeytsa  : i call the daily chart " chaos"
[09:42 am] jsn13  : ed, did u pass HPY as it is on strong downtrend and it's lunch time now?
[09:43 am] Ed : right, just the way i treat my day around this time
[09:43 am] shark  : lol, joey
[09:43 am] jsn13  : ok thanks....
[09:43 am] shark  : put on wall next to Mona Lisa
[09:43 am] mikewd2 -: CLF finally turning nicely
[09:43 am] jsn13  : if it free falls to 27 potential support, would u be interested?
[09:44 am] elisha  : so you're really saying anything can happen in the market at any time no matter s/r or anything
[09:44 am] Ed : nope
[09:44 am] jsn13  : why?
[09:44 am] Ed : right, as savy trader we  are looking for clues
[09:44 am] Ed : clues that could setup for us having an edge to take the trade
[09:45 am] elisha  : this is why i am looking through a veil, not enough experience yet
[09:46 am] Ed : i dont have to take every trade, and this is time i like to sit, unless i get an extreme mover
[09:47 am] Ed : just bcuz i dont take trade does not mean its not a good one
[09:48 am] jsn13  : understand ed....good lesson....thank u so much....
[09:49 am] elisha  : Ed, Thank you for the lesson - you need to take a bow
[09:49 am] shark  : ditto
[09:49 am] joeytsa  : very good
[09:49 am] taco  : thanks Ed
[09:49 am] ticktrader  : Thank you Ed
[09:49 am] elisha  : and thanks for other helpful comments from traders
[09:49 am] Ed : no problem, that what we are all here for
[09:49 am] jsn13  : it's best to learn from u in real time...looking at ideas and go through the thought process that u practise...
[09:50 am] jsn13  : it will be even nice if we can follow u 1 trade per day where u can go from setups, entries to exits using the audio function....
[09:50 am] shark  : nice bounce HPY -saw it too late
[09:51 am] jsn13  : just 1 trade per day....either u or mitch if that is possible...
[09:52 am] Ed : i know for me would have to practice that somehow, anything that take u away from ur normal routine can be a distraction
[09:52 am] jsn13  : nvm if it is not possible....thanks anyway....
[09:53 am] mikewd2 -: SRPT at support pivot?
[09:53 am] jsn13  : just a suggestion...
[09:54 am] Ed : its like an athelte, say quarterback, u tell him to get mic tell us play by play. Only example i could think of, im sure it would take some getting use too. Not making an excuse just being honest with you from my point of view and type of personality I have
[09:54 am] jsn13  : the reason behind that is when we go through real time examples, we can ask specific questions or u can explain some of ur unconcious thoughts...
[09:55 am] jsn13  : cos every trade looks easy after the fact...but when we can only see the left side of the trades, we tend to overthink....
[09:55 am] Ed : see its almost like u get into a zone, when ur at peak
[09:56 am] Ed : peak performance so for me, that would mean u get some dead silence
[09:56 am] victor51  : Ed, what stock you were discussing for reversed cup handle?
[09:57 am] Ed : AAPL   FB  HPY  EZPW
[09:57 am] Ed : any others
[09:57 am] jsn13  : ok understand....just a suggestion....thank u alot for ur time and effort....
[09:59 am] Ed : that the thing though jsn, if u study the charts quite a bit, u will learn what the right side of chart will look like based on left side. Not from biased standpoint but using prev. day and premarket as ur guide
[10:00 am] jsn13  : ok very good suggestion....thank u alot....
[10:00 am] Ed : a stock will either trade within those ranges or outside
[10:00 am] Ed : so as trader u decide if u want to be pivot trader, playing within ranges or breakout/breakdown trader, playing outside of those ranges
[10:01 am] Ed : some traders are both
[10:01 am] Ed : or utilize both
[10:01 am] joeytsa  : bottom line is that it gives you a strategy to focus on
[10:01 am] joeytsa  : which most traders have a hard time finding
[10:01 am] jsn13  : i wanna be both....
[10:02 am] Ed : most important which cant stress enough is understanding from daily or 15min where u are in reference to it.
[10:02 am] Ed : where u are meaning is stock uptrend or downtrend
[10:02 am] joeytsa  : esp if you want to swing trade
[10:03 am] elisha  : i'm writing thid down Ed
[10:03 am] elisha  : thid=this
[10:04 am] qwert  : monitoring VVUS
[10:04 am] Ed : good idea elisha
[10:05 am] joeytsa  : im finding trading very boring today
[10:06 am] mikewd2 -: me too joey
[10:06 am] Ed : why u think im jaw boning so much
[10:06 am] joeytsa  : at least its not me
[10:06 am] elisha  : that's probably because you know too much
[10:06 am] joeytsa  : wouldnt say that
[10:06 am] Ed : i have long way to go
[10:06 am] joeytsa  : Ed's lesson has been the biggest profit i had today :)
[10:06 am] Ed : lo
[10:07 am] Ed : lol
[10:07 am] Ed : always bet on blue
[10:07 am] qwert  : hahahaha
[10:07 am] elisha  : Ed, if you say you have long way to go it spells despair for us newbies
[10:07 am] Ed : i have also come a long way
[10:08 am] Ed : it just means that my learning will contniue as long as i have yearning to imporve on my skills
[10:09 am] Ed : make sense elisha
[10:09 am] joeytsa  : traders always have to stay on their toes
[10:10 am] elisha  : It is this desire to understand what the charts are saying
[10:10 am] Ed : and u will learn it
[10:11 am] elisha  : It is just like learning a second language, isn't it?
[10:12 am] Ed : sure it depends on person, but continue to study the chart patterns, read and study technical analysis by john murphy
[10:12 am] Ed : he is great start
[10:13 am] taco  : whats a good book after that one?
[10:13 am] joeytsa  : best trading book ever written...you own trading journal  :)
[10:13 am] doji  : If APPL drops near 620, that will be a nice target to go long swing
[10:13 am] elisha  : for instance - books about cups and pivots
[10:13 am] doji  : I'll go however with options
[10:14 am] doji  : Sharky, I'll send you an e-mail later buddy
[10:14 am] shark  : ok
[10:14 am] shark  : ;)_
[10:14 am] mikewd2 -: CLF S working out
[10:14 am] Ed : trading in the zone by mark douglas
[10:15 am] taco  : thx
[10:15 am] murano  : LLY
[10:15 am] Ed : thats very key book dealing with discipline, overcoming mental challenges dooming our trading
[10:17 am] mikewd2 -: positive news on LILY
[10:18 am] Ed : even better
[10:21 am] Ed : u take it long mike
[10:21 am] mikewd2 -: no considered but didn't
[10:22 am] ticktrader  : I agree with Joey's comments. Your trading journal is a great teacher.
[10:22 am] Ed : every trader should have one
[10:23 am] joeytsa  : out LLY
[10:23 am] joeytsa  : quick one, time for lunch
[10:25 am] mikewd2 -: nice joey
[10:25 am] shark  : sweet, joey
[10:26 am] jsn13  : where did u get it long for LLY joey?
[10:27 am] victor51  : Nice Joey
[10:27 am] eyes  : thoughts on lly
[10:27 am] shark  : still holding 10min ma
[10:28 am] shark  : R3 49.68 - LLY
[10:28 am] eyes  : thanks
[10:28 am] mikewd2 -: looking to short soon
[10:32 am] shark  : break of 10min ma was good entry for short
[10:33 am] mikewd2 -: big spreads on the puts ask/bid on lly
[10:33 am] shark  : @1:31pm ET
[10:33 am] shark  : I have .01 to .03 spread, mike
[10:34 am] shark  : good eye, Murano! :)
[10:34 am] mikewd2 -: on the 50 put i have 15 cents
[10:35 am] shark  : so you can offer .05 into that spread
[10:35 am] mikewd2 -: right
[10:35 am] mikewd2 -: i'm in put at 1.00
[10:35 am] shark  : which strike?
[10:35 am] mikewd2 -: oct 20th, 50
[10:36 am] mikewd2 -: TSO
[10:37 am] shark  : liquidity low on these, I agree
[10:38 am] mikewd2 -: come to papa CLF
[10:38 am] shark  : CLF testing vwap
[10:39 am] mikewd2 -: about to close short on CLF
[10:39 am] eyes  : TSO
[10:39 am] shark  : there you go, mike :)
[10:39 am] shark  : breaking VWAP - CLF
[10:41 am] mikewd2 -: out half CLF S +0.90
[10:41 am] shark  : :)
[10:42 am] shark  : c u Ed
[10:42 am] Ed : charts not working in room but they are on my system
[10:43 am] shark  : wow, yeah...
[10:44 am] mikewd2 -: looking to add to LLY short
[10:45 am] shark  : pocket pivot, bullish engulfing candle - LLY
[10:46 am] doji  : ?????
[10:47 am] shark  : on the daily, LLY
[10:48 am] shark  : she's alive...
[10:48 am] eyes  : how would you handle LLY here
[10:49 am] shark  : I'm done LLY
[10:49 am] Ed : having issue with room on my end, tryn to fix
[10:49 am] mikewd2 -: short it
[10:49 am] shark  : extended too much for me on a long
[10:50 am] mikewd2 -: i added to my short, tight stop on 2nd entry
[10:50 am] shark  : short possibly smaller this time
[10:50 am] elisha  : see you Ed
[10:50 am] doji  : I am staying aside....
[10:50 am] shark  : :)
[10:50 am] doji  : It could break 50.....
[10:50 am] mikewd2 -: it could
[10:50 am] Ed : thx elisha
[10:50 am] eyes  : whats yiur stop mike
[10:51 am] mikewd2 -: 49.83 on 2nd, 50.07 on first entry
[10:51 am] elisha  : next time Ed type "pop quiz"
[10:51 am] Ed : too funny, i like it
[10:53 am] mikewd2 -: still holding half CLF S
[10:54 am] Ed : was nice call on VVUS qwert
[10:54 am] mikewd2 -: ESRX going to distribute VVUS drugs
[10:55 am] qwert  : thx
[10:58 am] mikewd2 -: moving stop on CLF to VWAP
[10:58 am] eyes  : see you all manana
[10:58 am] shark  : bye eyes
[10:59 am] elisha  : bye eyes
[10:59 am] mikewd2 -: bye eyes
[10:59 am] Ed : cy aeyes
[10:59 am] taco  : bye eyes
[10:59 am] mikewd2 -: QCOM weak
[11:00 am] mikewd2 -: another downgrade
[11:04 am] mikewd2 -: out all CLF S +0.74 on 2nd half
[11:05 am] taco  : nice mike
[11:05 am] gum  : Rusty.....where are you????
[11:05 am] mikewd2 -: he got in HPQ and lost it all - lol
[11:06 am] mikewd2 -: Ed, thoughts on LLY?
[11:07 am] Ed : i would cover moajority here and move stop down to breakevn
[11:07 am] gum  : mike...that funny
[11:07 am] Ed : could go either way
[11:07 am] mikewd2 -: ok, i have 2x position
[11:07 am] mikewd2 -: avg 49.725
[11:08 am] Ed : atleast this way u bank some money relieve stress of trade, and if she drops u still participate
[11:08 am] mikewd2 -: out half 49.423
[11:08 am] mikewd2 -: thanks
[11:08 am] Ed : no problem
[11:08 am] mikewd2 -: 49.43
[11:09 am] mikewd2 -: like the fact that second bounce didn't have the vol
[11:09 am] Ed : right
[11:10 am] Ed : tight trading range not help in markets either not getting that nice pendallum swing
[11:10 am] doji  : Nice Mike
[11:11 am] mikewd2 -: probably dumb luck doji
[11:16 am] mikewd2 -: doji, when will you be in houston?
[11:16 am] mikewd2 -: stopped -0.01 on LLY
[11:20 am] joeytsa  : LLY gavea  few nice scalps
[11:21 am] mikewd2 -: I didn't play it right joey, got greedy on the first postion, had 60 cents in the bag and didn't sell.
[11:21 am] mikewd2 -: ended up losing a penny on them.
[11:21 am] joeytsa  : i got the quick move up and sold quickly
[11:21 am] mikewd2 -: nice
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : wasnt the greatest of trading execution
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : actually thank you mike, when you said LLY had good news i jumped :)
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : just dont lie ever  hahaha
[11:22 am] mikewd2 -: haha, did i say good news - oooooooh
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : SHLD 50cent spike down
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : yeah, i figured that since it was so early in teh move that it had more upside..took it just over 49 to the next pivot
[11:31 am] doji  : NFLX hit 74....
[11:31 am] mikewd2 -: yeah doji
[11:31 am] doji  : Time to buy puts?
[11:31 am] mikewd2 -: at some point, haha
[11:32 am] joeytsa  : has the 200ema aroudn $85 on NFLX
[11:32 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, could easily push to that point
[11:32 am] joeytsa  : 20ema close to crossing the 50 upwards
[11:33 am] mikewd2 -: didn't understand Cramer comment on too late to short NFLX
[11:33 am] joeytsa  : NFLX hasnt been over teh 200 in over a year now
[11:33 am] mikewd2 -: unless he meant earlier in the year
[11:33 am] joeytsa  : i think he meant for the big money
[11:34 am] mikewd2 -: ok, makes sense
[11:34 am] joeytsa  : im guessing
[11:34 am] mikewd2 -: HD lod
[11:36 am] joeytsa  : HD has some support around $60
[11:37 am] mikewd2 -: 60 works - haha
[11:37 am] joeytsa  : been in a nice uptrend for a year
[11:38 am] mikewd2 -: about time for it to end!
[11:38 am] joeytsa  : said the gambler after 7 reds showed up  :)
[11:38 am] mikewd2 -: yeah
[11:39 am] mikewd2 -: then my luck - it hits green!
[11:39 am] joeytsa  : again, like Ed said earlier, its all about your style and risk amount etc
[11:39 am] mikewd2 -: just a couple options
[11:40 am] mikewd2 -: not 100 like i use to do! lol
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : smart way, dip your toe in the water
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : press it if it goes your way
[11:40 am] mikewd2 -: the new plan joey
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : im more conservative, would rather it show a sign of turning first
[11:41 am] mikewd2 -: HPQ hit new lod
[11:41 am] joeytsa  : get in later, but better odds of it working
[11:41 am] joeytsa  : as a trend ending type play
[11:41 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, i need to learn that trick - i always anticipate.
[11:41 am] mikewd2 -: bad habit.
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : but tahts why you get great fills
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : you know your risk and are comfortable with it...
[11:42 am] mikewd2 -: and with my new friend "the stop" not getting hurt too bad if wrong.
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : you might have more stops/lower win%..but your wins when they come will always be bigger than mine
[11:43 am] joeytsa  : a lot of it has to do with the mental side also
[11:44 am] joeytsa  : how many losses can you mentally take
[11:44 am] Ed : i like waking up as a winner in vegas
[11:44 am] joeytsa  : dont sell your hair to a wig shop  hahah
[11:44 am] Ed : have u seen my head
[11:45 am] joeytsa  : yeah..you bought my latest invention
[11:45 am] Ed : lol
[11:45 am] joeytsa  : Staybald : gets rid of unsightly hair  :)
[11:45 am] joeytsa  : its working on me too haha
[11:46 am] Ed : yea but im only 19
[11:46 am] joeytsa  : i forgot :)
[11:46 am] mikewd2 -: LLY moving nicely
[11:46 am] joeytsa  : yeah, wish i held it
[11:46 am] mikewd2 -: glad i closed the shorts
[11:48 am] doji  : Dang my alarm in LLY at 50 didn't trigger...???
[11:48 am] Ed : thats what u call bull cup breakout on 1minnute
[11:48 am] joeytsa  : yeah
[11:48 am] jsn13  : entry is for u 33 cents above the break?
[11:49 am] joeytsa  : doji: audio or pop up?
[11:49 am] joeytsa  : jsn: entry would be more like 5-10cnets for me
[11:49 am] joeytsa  : on a scalp
[11:49 am] doji  : Audio
[11:49 am] Ed : like i said earlier use what u have back tested
[11:50 am] elisha  : thx Ed
[11:50 am] elisha  : thx Ed
[11:50 am] jsn13  : ok i see joey and ed...
[11:50 am] Ed : see .33 may work for me, but I also take early positio on those so technically its not .33
[11:50 am] jsn13  : cos im using 8-10 cents on scalp but heard ed said 33 cents...
[11:50 am] jsn13  : ok thanks ed....
[11:50 am] joeytsa  : everyone is different
[11:51 am] Ed : that why u must be careful of listening to others
[11:51 am] joeytsa  : for me, it also depends where my profit target is
[11:51 am] jsn13  : i just need a rough figure to know that im not on the extreme side...
[11:51 am] joeytsa  : its its 50cents above the break..waiting for a 33cent move doesnt work
[11:52 am] Ed : exactly
[11:52 am] joeytsa  : if you think its going to run for awhile..33cent might be great though
[11:52 am] Ed : see i trade alot of high $ stocks too so thats why i like using .33 and .70
[11:52 am] joeytsa  : good point
[11:52 am] jsn13  : ok i like agressive entries....yup...thats where i asked about using certain percentage earlier....
[11:53 am] jsn13  : but it seems no one is using it....
[11:53 am] mikewd2 -: i use 35 cents for breakouts
[11:53 am] Ed : and its not edgeed in stone, joey and i can trade same stock use different entries and we both make money
[11:54 am] Ed : alot of time newbies think its a magical number or indicator
[11:54 am] joeytsa  : yep, and sometimes both can lose or 1 wins while the other loses
[11:54 am] jsn13  : yes.....understand....just like to have references from experienced traders like u guys....dont like to spend time inventing new strategies....tweaking an existing one is alot easier...
[11:54 am] Ed : markets are fluid, have to work in/out and adjust
[11:54 am] mikewd2 -: but adjust that price based on H, L prior day, last hour and premarket ranges.
[11:55 am] doji  : In some words, trading is more an art than science....no close but open answers
[11:56 am] joeytsa  : if it was a perfect situation there would never be any losing trades
[11:56 am] mikewd2 -: right
[11:56 am] jsn13  : having references is definitely important for newbies....
[11:56 am] qwert  : watching CSTR
[11:56 am] Ed : learn basics, downtrend, uptrend spotting those, not chasing flowing with trend. When u get basic foundation of understanding right side to be on, u can always work on getting better entries/exits
[11:57 am] joeytsa  : agreeed
[11:57 am] mikewd2 -: remember Ken shoots for 30% winners, that means 70% of time you were wrong.
[11:57 am] mikewd2 -: but you have to maximize your winners or you will overall be a loser.
[11:57 am] joeytsa  : in baseball that gets you $1M/yr
[11:57 am] Ed : right, and with his stlye he take real small losses
[11:57 am] mikewd2 -: yep
[11:57 am] taco  : ken who?
[11:57 am] mikewd2 -: Ken Calhoun
[11:58 am] mikewd2 -: Its not a strategy that i'm seeing is a really good fit for me.
[11:58 am] doji  : Ken "Moody"
[11:58 am] joeytsa  : at 4:1 odds, a 20% win% breaks you even, minus commissions
[11:58 am] joeytsa  : money being equal
[11:59 am] mikewd2 -: One note, if you don't minimize your losses and maximize your winning trades. Don't think you can make money doing day trading.
[12:00 pm] joeytsa  : right
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : speaking of odds, the presidential odds have kept lowering since the debates
[12:01 pm] mikewd2 -: yeah, looking better for Romney
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : now down to $300 -$100, from $480
[12:01 pm] mikewd2 -: wow
[12:01 pm] mikewd2 -: has come down
[12:02 pm] joeytsa  : might fall more after ryan makes biden really mad  haha
[12:02 pm] mikewd2 -: lol
[12:02 pm] mikewd2 -: hope so
[12:02 pm] joeytsa  : biden's face will start turning red, then he will make one of his gaffes haha
[12:04 pm] joeytsa  : saw the CSTR drop and missed the play
[12:16 pm] doji  : At this pace the SPY will end positive for the day....
[12:17 pm] joeytsa  : SRPT decent move past 10 minutes
[12:17 pm] doji  : Alcoa reports tomorrow after the close, right?
[12:17 pm] joeytsa  : yes and YUM
[12:17 pm] joeytsa  : bigger names are next week though
[12:18 pm] joeytsa  : some banks this week too
[12:18 pm] joeytsa  : JPM,WFC on friday
[12:18 pm] mikewd2 -: if YUM has killer numbers especially on taco bell, could hurt CMG per analysis.
[12:19 pm] joeytsa  : COST is weds, another one to watch is JBHT on thurs
[12:20 pm] joeytsa  : with FDX giving a warning,  if JBHT warns, might signal some ugliness
[12:21 pm] taco  : thanks for the lessons today. see you tomorrow
[12:21 pm] Ed : c ya taco
[12:21 pm] mikewd2 -: nice bounce in CLF, WLT
[12:22 pm] qwert  : bye taco
[12:22 pm] joeytsa  : CLF nice,   by taco
[12:22 pm] mikewd2 -: missed SRPT
[12:23 pm] mikewd2 -: guess i got to get that second monitor.
[12:30 pm] doji  : Mike are you swinging QCOR?
[12:30 pm] mikewd2 -: don't swing anymore
[12:30 pm] mikewd2 -: haven't traded qcor today yet
[12:31 pm] doji  : Thanks
[12:31 pm] mikewd2 -: watching WLT
[12:36 pm] eddy  : s WLT 33.84
[12:37 pm] mikewd2 -: I'm in also eddy
[12:41 pm] mikewd2 -: WLT not falling with the market as i expected.
[12:47 pm] doji  : Shark, is APPL in the IBD's sell list?
[12:54 pm] doji  : Good nigth fellas
[12:54 pm] mikewd2 -: cu doji
[12:54 pm] Ed : c u doji
[12:59 pm] shark  : bye doji
[12:59 pm] elisha  : GN Mitch, Ed and everyone
[12:59 pm] mikewd2 -: didnt' realize we were closing, closed WLT
[12:59 pm] mikewd2 -: thanks Ed
[01:00 pm] eddy  : bye all
[01:03 pm] shark  : nice one, Mitch
[01:04 pm] qwert  : yes
[01:05 pm] qwert  : is that yellow area gonna be on the charts?
[01:05 pm] qwert  : yep
[01:06 pm] shark  : yes
[01:06 pm] qwert  : awesome
[01:06 pm] shark  : haha
[01:06 pm] shark  : like doji candles
[01:07 pm] qwert  : nice
[01:09 pm] victor51  : will be big help to me " No Trading Zone". Thanks Mitch
[01:10 pm] qwert  : cool
[01:12 pm] victor51  : Mitch, will also build confidence and stay in a game
[01:16 pm] victor51  : Mitch, it will be nice to make yellow bar a notch darker.
[01:18 pm] victor51  : thanks Mitch
[01:19 pm] qwert  : thats awesome
[01:21 pm] qwert  : we are ready Mitch
[01:27 pm] jsn13  : yes what do they mean?
[01:27 pm] jsn13  : ok thanks....
[01:29 pm] jsn13  : have a great evening guys....

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