Chat Highlights From 10/01/2012

TSA Moderator ChatUser Chat
[06:13 am] Ed : good morning traders
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching CVLT for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching NTGR, take time
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching PNR for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching TWTC for top to short
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching V for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching ILMN for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching COF for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching ADSK for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching CELG for top
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching LVS, WYNN today
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching COG for top
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching GS today
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching SYK for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching OLN for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching TAP for bottom
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watchign MLM for top
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching VMC for top
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching CTRX for top
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching CTL for bottom
[06:37 am] Mitch K: monitoring NSM
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching LEA for top
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching M for top
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching VRX for top
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching ALV for top
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching THLD for bottom to buy
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching TAP closer for bottom
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching SIG for bottom, low vol
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching BTH for top
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching for long exit on CTL
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching ALGN for top
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watchign ENDP for top
[06:42 am] Mitch K: monitoring BIDU, no hurry
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watching MCRS for bottom
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watching CTRX to cover soon
[06:43 am] Mitch K: watching COF to cover short
[06:43 am] Mitch K: watchign NSM for top to short
[06:44 am] Mitch K: monitoring SAP, not enough movement yet
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching ILMN closely to cover soon
[06:46 am] Mitch K: watching ADSK to close long soon
[06:46 am] Mitch K: let V run, financials take time
[06:47 am] Mitch K: watching OLN for sell exit on long
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching VMC to cover soon
[06:48 am] Mitch K: waiting for CTRX bottom to cover short, soon
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching SYK for exit point on long
[06:49 am] Mitch K: consider reducing THLD long soon
[06:49 am] Mitch K: watching NSM closer for top
[06:49 am] Mitch K: consider covering MLM
[06:51 am] Mitch K: watching MSM for bottom (Mike, SIerra Mike)
[06:51 am] Mitch K: consider selling SIG
[06:52 am] Mitch K: dont like MCRS
[06:52 am] Mitch K: cover CTRX anytime
[06:52 am] Mitch K: ALGN toppy
[06:52 am] Mitch K: consider selling CTL soon
[06:53 am] Ed : getting pullback in SPY
[06:55 am] Mitch K: TRW trades both ways today
[06:55 am] Mitch K: more downside on NSM (November Sierra Mike)
[06:57 am] Mitch K: watching EAT for bottom
[07:04 am] Mitch K: watching AGU for top
[07:04 am] Ed : nice bounce in SPY
[07:05 am] Mitch K: watching MSM for long exit
[07:06 am] Mitch K: consider selling SYK
[07:06 am] Mitch K: consider selling SIG if long
[07:06 am] Mitch K: consider selling BGS
[07:10 am] Ed : monitoring GD for potential short, no hurry
[07:10 am] Mitch K: watching FAST for top
[07:10 am] Mitch K: watchign WYNN for 2nd helping short
[07:14 am] Mitch K: watching NSM for 2nd helping short
[07:14 am] Mitch K: more downside on ENDP short
[07:19 am] Ed : GMCR weak not participating so far
[07:22 am] Ed : Advanced trade if GMCR lose 23.40 with strong vol for potential short
[07:26 am] Mitch K: The U.S. ISM rise to 51.5 in September from 49.6 in August
[07:26 am] Mitch K: thats what caused the spike
[07:37 am] Mitch K: 2nd helping short CTRX
[07:49 am] Mitch K: watching TRW for more shorts today
[07:57 am] Ed : If u took GD short would cover some here
[07:59 am] Ed : on GMCR short placing my stop 23.49
[08:00 am] Ed : if dont get this drop may stop it for breakeven
[08:01 am] Ed : out all GMCR for .01 loss
[08:56 am] Ed : getting nice pullback in SPY
[08:58 am] Mitch K: low of day on SPY
[09:46 am] Ed : yep still getting flat line pretty much in stocks
[09:49 am] Ed : getting some selling in markets
[09:50 am] Mitch K: low of day in SPY
[10:05 am] Ed : BMC alert
[10:07 am] Ed : BMC explorering sell
[10:10 am] Ed : would cover some BMC short here
[10:10 am] Ed : more selling in SPY
[10:11 am] Ed : SPY new lod
[10:18 am] Mitch K: on CL
[10:18 am] Mitch K: you want these 4 trades, not the chop after
[10:19 am] Mitch K: that box that says no, you dont touch any signals there, chop is loser trades
[10:19 am] Mitch K: or on any chart
[10:20 am] Mitch K: got 2 good trades and left it alone
[10:20 am] Mitch K: look at this chart, switch or have up other charts like Gold here
[10:20 am] Mitch K: just look at something else
[10:21 am] Mitch K: if you have discipline to avoid choppy charts, then you won over half the battle
[10:21 am] Mitch K: silver, i havent touched it, was good very early this morning though before stocks opened,
[10:22 am] Mitch K: discipline, emotional control is where you get paid the most to control
[10:22 am] Mitch K: silver does very well early early
[10:24 am] Mitch K: Whale didnt control emotions or position sizes, same problem we are faced with
[10:24 am] Mitch K: doesnt matter if you are a new trader or a seasoned professional at JP Morgan's London office, lol
[10:25 am] Mitch K: when you are not makign money look the first thing to do is wait for higher qulaity trades
[10:26 am] Mitch K: second thing to do is evaluate what you are thinking, its probalby some destructive thoughts
[10:27 am] Mitch K: so you start building leveraged positions, more than you should.  and then chase low quality ideas.  these are very typical things i see, all destructive
[10:27 am] Mitch K: you might be thinking you need to make up for past loss or losses.  you might be thinking you got to make money for some specific reason.
[10:29 am] Mitch K: let me show you one more chart
[10:29 am] Mitch K: am i right or right?
[10:30 am] Mitch K: this is gold, just got sell signal
[10:30 am] Mitch K: this kind of chart, big swings, repeated moves
[10:30 am] Mitch K: reinforcing to you.  this is what you should be trading
[10:31 am] Mitch K: understand?
[10:31 am] Mitch K: signal comes, you take the trade, then wait
[10:31 am] Mitch K: when you see one exaggerated move in futures, then you get ready for the reversal, wait for signal
[10:32 am] Mitch K: just monitor though.  dont be telling yourself you got to make a trade or make something happen.
[10:32 am] Mitch K: the bottom of that big silver drop, was worth a long but when it got choppy, stay away
[10:33 am] Mitch K: you want to make money, lots of it?  then trade this chart
[10:33 am] Mitch K: this is back to gold chart
[10:33 am] Mitch K: burn to your brain cells
[10:33 am] Mitch K: you let the market present good trades and then you be ready, you cannot force profits to come.  just wait, thats the hardest part, waiting for that previous chart to setup
[10:34 am] Mitch K: we are not trading for entertainment.  we are trading to make money
[10:34 am] Mitch K: you want to lose money?  i show you next chart
[10:35 am] Mitch K: thats my lesson for the day
[10:56 am] Ed : nice bounce in SPY
[10:57 am] Mitch K: http://www.ninjatrader.com/ConnectionGuides/T radeStation-Connection-Guide
[10:57 am] Mitch K: hey guys, i just found this on Ninjatrader.com site.  YOu can connect TradeStation to NinjaTrader
[10:59 am] Ed : hey thats repeat of what apple said
[10:59 am] Ed : ould have to add in each chart individually which is what the service rep said.  can't do it for all the trades
[11:00 am] Ed : right its very cummbersome and not worth using tradestation with ninja
[11:00 am] Ed : great minds
[11:08 am] Ed : thx qwert
[11:11 am] Ed : muddy waters say EDU is misleading market place
[11:13 am] Ed : nice on eqwert on AGU
[11:18 am] Mitch K: good eye on AGU qwert
[11:20 am] Mitch K: watching EDU
[11:21 am] Mitch K: needs much bigger drop if Muddy mentioned this,
[11:26 am] Ed : if u took EDU short would cover majority here
[11:28 am] Ed : out all EDU short
[11:34 am] Ed : nice bouce in EDU
[11:36 am] Ed : reducing 3/4 EDU long
[11:40 am] Ed : QCOR take over chatter
[11:44 am] Mitch K: good job on EDU guys
[11:47 am] Mitch K: getting sell signal on 1 min chart with EDU
[11:51 am] Mitch K: here is info on other dataproviders for Ninja Trader  http://www.ninjatrader.com/support/helpGuides /nt7/index.html?historical_data.htm
[12:14 pm] Ed : nice drop in SPY
[12:15 pm] Ed : AAPL new lod
[12:20 pm] Ed : SPY selling off
[12:28 pm] Ed : nice dro in SPY
[12:57 pm] Ed : have a great evening traders

[06:09 am] eyes  : Good Morning Everyone
[06:10 am] skydiver  : good morning everyone :)   Top of the day to ya ;)
[06:10 am] qwert  : good morning everybody nice breakout  CL trade
[06:10 am] mikewd2 -: good morning traders
[06:12 am] mikewd2 -: nice gap up in RIG
[06:13 am] joeytsa  : Good morning Ed, everyone
[06:13 am] mikewd2 -: Texans 4-0, going to be a good week.
[06:13 am] joeytsa  : :)
[06:14 am] cowboyh  : Good morning all
[06:15 am] skydiver  : gm Ed
[06:15 am] joeytsa  : big ISM # at 7pdt
[06:18 am] chinhngo  : good morning
[06:20 am] taco  : good morning
[06:21 am] elisha  : Good Morning Ed and traders
[06:21 am] khall  : gm elisha
[06:22 am] ticktrader  : Good Monday Morning to all.
[06:22 am] joeytsa  : did CRDN have a buyout?
[06:23 am] qwert  : yeah they did joey
[06:23 am] skydiver  : yes joey
[06:23 am] joeytsa  : thanks, big gap but chart had that look :)
[06:23 am] skydiver  : 3 M buying them out
[06:24 am] elisha  : good morning khall!!!
[06:26 am] eddy  : good morning all
[06:27 am] mikewd2 -: watching YOKU
[06:33 am] joeytsa  : eye on silvers  AGQ,USLV
[06:34 am] joeytsa  : nice bounce on the ES
[06:36 am] skydiver  : CRM tanking
[06:36 am] skydiver  : watching CRM for a L
[06:36 am] shark  : reversal in some stocks
[06:37 am] skydiver  : LNKD dropped as well
[06:39 am] skydiver  : watching BTH as well
[06:41 am] mikewd2 -: CLF broke 40 short again without me
[06:42 am] joeytsa  : i have to remember to keep CLF up
[06:44 am] shark  : nly
[06:48 am] joeytsa  : watching CBI
[06:48 am] joeytsa  : RIG might try to breakout
[06:49 am] joeytsa  : 10 minutes to ISM manufacturing pmi #
[06:49 am] mikewd2 -: hoping, long from 46.20
[06:50 am] eyes  : on what mike
[06:50 am] mikewd2 -: rig
[06:52 am] eyes  : i had a alert at 46.20 didnt see it
[06:52 am] mikewd2 -: MSM needs volume
[06:56 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR bouncing, not in
[06:57 am] joeytsa  : not a bunch of big moves
[06:58 am] joeytsa  : mike: if RIG can bust thru this res, should easily get to $47..thats if  :)
[06:58 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR
[07:00 am] mikewd2 -: quick 5% move in QCOR
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : bang goes the market
[07:03 am] skydiver  : running ninjatrading charts first time - using esignal data feed -- seems to work okay
[07:03 am] shark  : :)
[07:03 am] skydiver  : also running esignal charts same time -- all working well :)
[07:04 am] shark  : GLD/SLV up steady today
[07:04 am] skydiver  : thnx shark
[07:05 am] mikewd2 -: watching TSO
[07:05 am] mikewd2 -: CLF S
[07:07 am] eyes  : whats your stop Mike
[07:07 am] mikewd2 -: 40.27
[07:07 am] mikewd2 -: probably not a good trade eyes
[07:08 am] mikewd2 -: i jumped the gun on it
[07:08 am] mikewd2 -: TSO moving
[07:08 am] mikewd2 -: watching for top
[07:09 am] mikewd2 -: YOKU moving
[07:09 am] mikewd2 -: stopped,
[07:13 am] skydiver  : in and out of AGU S fast -- made 28 cents per share - well it'
[07:13 am] skydiver  : a start
[07:14 am] skydiver  : LNKD made a nice V today
[07:14 am] mikewd2 -: back in CLF S
[07:14 am] joeytsa  : yeah it did sky
[07:19 am] qwert  : TAP new lows
[07:20 am] joeytsa  : TAP trying to hold $43
[07:20 am] mikewd2 -: out RIG, +0.65
[07:21 am] skydiver  : nice Mike -- looks like  CLF is cooperating for you Mike
[07:21 am] joeytsa  : nice mike, RIG did have enough to hit 47
[07:21 am] mikewd2 -: yeah better entry second time
[07:25 am] shark  : off to shoot a movie, guys. have a good one
[07:26 am] skydiver  : )enjoy shark
[07:26 am] joeytsa  : have fun shark
[07:26 am] qwert  : bye shark
[07:26 am] khall  : bye shark
[07:29 am] mikewd2 -: out CLF, 40.00 +0.30
[07:31 am] mikewd2 -: and there it goes, not trading CLF very well today
[07:35 am] joeytsa  : watching TSCO for another try at $100
[07:36 am] qwert  : thx joey
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : nothing too pressing at the moment though
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : VMW on a decent pullback
[07:39 am] skydiver  : nice one joey on VMW
[07:47 am] joeytsa  : NSM nice break too
[07:47 am] joeytsa  : break time, see you all later
[07:47 am] skydiver  : Well - need to take off - busy day and busy week.  Make lots of $$$ everyone.  -- I ended today with one decent win, and one very small win.  :)
[07:47 am] skydiver  : take care joey
[07:47 am] joeytsa  : enjoy sky
[07:47 am] Ed : c ya sky
[07:48 am] qwert  : bye sky
[07:48 am] taco  : nice sky,
[07:48 am] skydiver  : :)
[08:01 am] mikewd2 -: wow - never seen Ed post a loss
[08:01 am] taco  : at least we know he is human
[08:02 am] qwert  : monitoring FAST for 45 area
[08:04 am] Ed : shhh dont tell anyone mike
[08:04 am] mikewd2 -: hope you weren't using lightning.
[08:04 am] mikewd2 -: for your first loss
[08:06 am] mikewd2 -: MCP trying bounce off pivot
[08:06 am] Ed : actually would have taken money off on that .10 drop but got distracted took important phone call. But I made the choice
[08:07 am] mikewd2 -: TSO testing hod
[08:07 am] Ed : now that Iam out sure it will drop to 0. LOL
[08:08 am] Ed : was using the rub my belly system mike
[08:08 am] qwert  : there it goes
[08:10 am] mikewd2 -: TSO S 43.05
[08:10 am] mikewd2 -: tight stop
[08:10 am] mikewd2 -: refineries are a bit hot today
[08:11 am] mikewd2 -: has rusty been in the room lately?
[08:15 am] Ed : not since thursday
[08:15 am] mikewd2 -: you kick him out again?
[08:16 am] Ed : not me
[08:16 am] apple  : bring rusty back...
[08:17 am] Ed : i only focus on trading and education, and how to improve others
[08:17 am] apple  : you are doing an excellent job, Ed -- your efforts are truly appreciated
[08:18 am] ticktrader  : I am in need of all 3
[08:18 am] Ed : thx apple
[08:18 am] elisha  : get in line behind me!
[08:18 am] qwert  : no rusty and no doji  maybe they are together?
[08:18 am] Ed : i think doji is traveling to france today
[08:18 am] qwert  : Ed is the Steve Nash of trading!
[08:19 am] Ed : lol
[08:20 am] qwert  : You Redskin fans what an awesome finish yesterday RG3 looks like the real deal
[08:21 am] Ed : not a redskins fan, but i want him to do well
[08:22 am] qwert  : i thought you were Ed, whats your team?
[08:23 am] apple  : team TSA
[08:23 am] Ed : i like college Florida State Fan
[08:23 am] qwert  : yeah apple
[08:23 am] Ed : in pro's i just cheer for players
[08:23 am] apple  : we have a lot of great players on our team!
[08:24 am] apple  : and not to speak of the terrific coaches...
[08:24 am] qwert  : :))
[08:24 am] apple  : and we are having a winning season (as usual!)
[08:24 am] apple  : we're Number ONE!
[08:24 am] mikewd2 -: Whitney Tilson long on NFLX
[08:24 am] taco  : u rock apple
[08:25 am] apple  : lol, thx
[08:26 am] mikewd2 -: NFLX hod
[08:28 am] Ed : hey qwert how is it going trading crude
[08:28 am] khall  : he's rocking it I'm sure
[08:28 am] khall  : :-)
[08:29 am] Ed : im sure
[08:30 am] apple  : qwert's good
[08:31 am] elisha  : watching PNR
[08:32 am] qwert  : first tried to short cl this am but reversed when it broke 92 but having a hard time figuring out when or where to exit with 1 contract but got 80 ticks on the long after losing 5 in the short
[08:33 am] Ed : nice
[08:33 am] eyes  : way to go what time you get in
[08:34 am] qwert  : did you go long on that break over 92 Ed
[08:34 am] Ed : CL c an be sensitive to ma's and ohlc
[08:34 am] Ed : i took it over 92.15
[08:34 am] mikewd2 -: RIG testing hod
[08:35 am] eyes  : my entry had you all beat to bead i dont know how to keep my finger off of the mouse LOL
[08:35 am] eyes  : bad
[08:36 am] apple  : @ about 8:45 EST E? for CL trade
[08:36 am] qwert  : i tried to short at 92.07 and reversed at 92.12 short at 5:36 and reversed at 5:40 pst
[08:37 am] eyes  : 8:16
[08:38 am] Ed : a kill switch, not good
[08:39 am] mikewd2 -: RIG still can't break 47.00
[08:39 am] eyes  : i need to just burn my finger when i do that
[08:40 am] eyes  : nice on tso Mike
[08:40 am] mikewd2 -: I'm going to come to Utah and break that finger, eyes!
[08:40 am] apple  : you tell him, mike!
[08:40 am] eyes  : LOL
[08:41 am] mikewd2 -: I'll send Joey he is closer
[08:41 am] apple  : haha, the hitman!
[08:41 am] apple  : or maybe he knows "somebody"
[08:42 am] eyes  : No all joking aside have have a problem with that
[08:43 am] apple  : we know.  need to get more confidence and go with the flow.  also switch to a 2, 3 or even 5 min timeframe, it will help those jitters
[08:44 am] eyes  : no it all comes to not accepting the risk apple
[08:44 am] apple  : trade real small then
[08:44 am] mikewd2 -: push RIG
[08:44 am] eyes  : I did accept the risk on Gold thou got stoped out .10 ticks improvement
[08:45 am] Ed : just make sure ur placing odds in ur favor, meaning having an edge
[08:46 am] qwert  : cl coming back to 92 area
[08:46 am] khall  : like a magnet
[08:47 am] Ed : GC kind of flat
[08:47 am] eyes  : GC i shorted 8:45
[08:47 am] Ed : GC 12-12 that is
[08:48 am] Ed : ok, thought u got stopped .10 ticks
[08:49 am] apple  : flag on the ES
[08:49 am] Ed : u shorted using 20ma eyes?
[08:49 am] eyes  : i did i went short and it hit my stop
[08:50 am] Ed : how tight was ur stop
[08:50 am] eyes  : it was not a good signal small red candle followed by a small doji
[08:50 am] Ed : on CL 11-12 monitor 92.15 area
[08:51 am] apple  : thx E
[08:53 am] Ed : hope u all were able to get quick bounce in CL 11-12
[08:54 am] eyes  : I did on the sim account 13
[08:54 am] Ed : nice eyes
[08:54 am] eyes  : i have sim and real side by side
[08:55 am] Ed : potential support on CL 11-12  92.15 and 92.10
[08:55 am] Ed : so would be careful tryn to short it losing 92.15 may bounce quickly
[08:56 am] Ed : and u have rising 20ma just under 92.10
[08:57 am] qwert  : Ed what do u use for tgts. on CL
[08:58 am] Ed : i use ma's as targets I treat it as 1st level of resistance/support to take money off
[08:58 am] Ed : just like i play stocks
[08:59 am] qwert  : so did you just trade cl long at *:52 pst
[08:59 am] qwert  : 8:52 pst
[08:59 am] Ed : for ma's I use 20sma, 50sma 200sma and 200ema
[09:00 am] Ed : took it at 8:51
[09:00 am] Ed : but yes 8:52 is signal on 1minute
[09:00 am] Ed : to get that 8:51 entry I used 144t chart
[09:00 am] qwert  : and your already out right?
[09:00 am] Ed : yes
[09:01 am] qwert  : so how many tics?
[09:01 am] Ed : actually it was right after 8:50
[09:01 am] Ed : got 144
[09:01 am] Ed : sorry 144 tick chart
[09:02 am] Ed : total ticks on that move 17
[09:02 am] qwert  : so was your profit tgt the 92.35-40 area
[09:03 am] Ed : yes
[09:03 am] eyes  : NG  watcg futures
[09:04 am] Ed : any new people here today?
[09:04 am] qwert  : is that based on prior open area of 92.35 ?
[09:05 am] Ed : based on 50 ma
[09:05 am] qwert  : how do iget 144 tick chart up
[09:06 am] Ed : use type in 144t
[09:06 am] Ed : on the chart
[09:06 am] qwert  : thx
[09:06 am] Ed : fno problem
[09:07 am] Ed : fyi: if ur new to trading would be cauitiouse using 144tick gives really quick signals buy/sel
[09:07 am] Ed : i know ur fine qwert
[09:08 am] apple  : it gives you a good baseline of where the action is taking place
[09:08 am] Ed : and i get my overall levels for day based on 60minute chart
[09:08 am] qwert  : if u dont mind me asking Ed whats your initial stop on that trade
[09:09 am] apple  : smart man E
[09:09 am] Ed : normally I use 10ticks but on that trade i used 6ticks
[09:09 am] Ed : i use 6ticks when I am just scalping
[09:10 am] qwert  : okay thx
[09:10 am] joeytsa  : Ed: do you like the 144T?
[09:10 am] joeytsa  : i used to use that, but now just use the 150
[09:10 am] Ed : actuallly i do,
[09:10 am] joeytsa  : yeah, fib#'s work ok
[09:10 am] qwert  : do you enter and exit all at once or patial like stocks
[09:11 am] joeytsa  : 89 is a bit too quick
[09:11 am] Ed : i was playing with some faster settings for tick and really like it
[09:11 am] Ed : on scalps all at once
[09:11 am] joeytsa  : yeah, i use a real tight bollinger with the 4ma, gives ok signals
[09:11 am] Ed : i have 3 settings i trade
[09:11 am] joeytsa  : cool
[09:12 am] eddy  : did we get to low of day on SPY?
[09:12 am] eddy  : hmmm
[09:12 am] Ed : 1 contract 10tick stop,  4 contracts 6tick stop (for sclps), and 2 contracts 10 ticks( i take partials)
[09:12 am] eddy  : i thought low of day was 144.43
[09:12 am] joeytsa  : not lod on ES though
[09:13 am] Ed : those are 3 settings i trade. depends on market which one I trade
[09:13 am] qwert  : do you have those set up in your atm strategies
[09:13 am] Ed : for futures
[09:13 am] Ed : yes
[09:14 am] qwert  : nice so then you just select
[09:14 am] Ed : eyes was very helpful schooling me on settings in ninja
[09:14 am] Ed : yes then I select
[09:15 am] Ed : has quite a few bells and whistles of setting up strats
[09:15 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR at some support, but no position currently
[09:18 am] Ed : making sure i gave correct infor on futures i use 30minute to get my levels for trading day
[09:19 am] Ed : if those 30minute levels are taken out or surpassed will look at daily
[09:21 am] Ed : hey joey, i tried using vol but no likey very much
[09:21 am] joeytsa  : with crude??
[09:21 am] Ed : using vol. chart
[09:21 am] Ed : right
[09:21 am] joeytsa  : i dont use vol on futures
[09:21 am] joeytsa  : i do have it on my 1min ES though
[09:21 am] khall  : vol doesn't help me much on futures I'm finding
[09:21 am] Ed : no vol chart
[09:22 am] Ed : not volume at bottom
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : oh ok
[09:22 am] Ed : u have tick chart and vol chart
[09:22 am] Ed : seems to get clearer signals with tick
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : never tried vol,range,second etc
[09:23 am] Ed : but im sure if stock is really moving would work well
[09:23 am] joeytsa  : did you add the tick counter?
[09:23 am] Ed : meant future instruement
[09:23 am] Ed : no
[09:24 am] joeytsa  : its cool, you can see how fast or slow its trading..plus sometimes you can anticipate a candle formation
[09:24 am] Ed : cool
[09:24 am] joeytsa  : even it its just sitting at  1446 for example..a bunch of trades might be going off
[09:25 am] Ed : looks like a gappem up, sideways action, then ramp it later
[09:25 am] joeytsa  : so if you see a hammer forming on support, you might be able to jump in a touch early
[09:25 am] Ed : got it
[09:26 am] joeytsa  : todays move was basically that ISM #
[09:26 am] eyes  : NG
[09:26 am] joeytsa  : NG?
[09:26 am] eyes  : NG futures
[09:27 am] mikewd2 -: no vol, no price range
[09:27 am] mikewd2 -: oh
[09:27 am] joeytsa  : might get 10cents??
[09:27 am] joeytsa  : ahhhhh
[09:28 am] joeytsa  : never traded nat gas futures
[09:28 am] joeytsa  : my only future in nat gas is when i eat mexican  :)
[09:29 am] Ed : i traded aud/usd last night. felt great when I went to bed
[09:29 am] joeytsa  : good trade?
[09:30 am] Ed : yes
[09:30 am] joeytsa  : i will get a forex account eventually
[09:31 am] Ed : it was $220 per contract or 22 pips
[09:32 am] joeytsa  : better than working at McD's all week :)
[09:32 am] apple  : nice job E, have not touched forex yet
[09:32 am] Ed : took it right after 9:00pm est
[09:33 am] khall  : Ed, you are a trading machine!
[09:33 am] apple  : excellent
[09:33 am] apple  : he is, supertrader!
[09:33 am] Ed : glad i used 5min, kept saying going to get out, look at chart no sell signal. So had to make myelf wait for sell signal
[09:34 am] khall  : that's discipline
[09:34 am] apple  : good discipline
[09:34 am] apple  : ha, khall
[09:34 am] khall  : :-)
[09:34 am] Ed : its all Mitch's fault and you all
[09:34 am] Ed : talking about trading other instruments
[09:34 am] khall  : we accept the blame
[09:34 am] joeytsa  : nice job
[09:34 am] apple  : huh...
[09:34 am] joeytsa  : Ed will be up all night now
[09:35 am] Ed : see how GC 12-12 got rejected by 200ema
[09:35 am] Ed : like ppan
[09:35 am] khall  : yes
[09:35 am] joeytsa  : Edpan
[09:35 am] Ed : lol
[09:35 am] apple  : aha, he was something else...
[09:36 am] Ed : i just try to find 1 trade per day for forex
[09:36 am] joeytsa  : stocks a little stuck in the mud huh
[09:36 am] Ed : besides how could I teach you all about forex if i dont trade it :)
[09:37 am] joeytsa  : guess thats why its good to have other vehicles to trade
[09:37 am] Ed : true
[09:37 am] Ed : where is chin tody
[09:37 am] chinhngo  : i am here
[09:37 am] Ed : cool
[09:37 am] apple  : counting his money
[09:37 am] joeytsa  : stocks were boring for chin today...
[09:37 am] Ed : nice to see you
[09:37 am] chinhngo  : thank for your asking me ed
[09:37 am] mikewd2 -: nice call on VMW today joey, didn't take the short
[09:37 am] joeytsa  : he is going to jump from a plane with no parachute later :)
[09:37 am] Ed : lol
[09:38 am] apple  : yeah, look at VMW, nice
[09:38 am] joeytsa  : mike: VMW did that 2nd leg down while i was out
[09:38 am] joeytsa  : and the decent bounce from the 1st drop
[09:39 am] mikewd2 -: rig still can't break 47
[09:39 am] Ed : best calls are ones u miss
[09:39 am] joeytsa  : as long as someone else gets them Im happy
[09:39 am] joeytsa  : RIG stuck in a 30cent range
[09:43 am] apple  : joey we need an assistant
[09:44 am] joeytsa  : he's travelling today i think haha
[09:45 am] apple  : haha
[09:46 am] joeytsa  : yeah, my scanner has been boring
[09:46 am] joeytsa  : LULU just popped up..but nothing good
[09:47 am] apple  : joey, how is royal bonnie doing
[09:47 am] joeytsa  : really good thanks
[09:48 am] apple  : graffix?
[09:48 am] joeytsa  : not going to race her until the spring though..bigger $$
[09:48 am] joeytsa  : he is hanging in there
[09:48 am] joeytsa  : our stable has a horse running @ Belmont on sunday..win and she goes to the Breeders Cup
[09:49 am] apple  : oh, good...
[09:50 am] apple  : ES dropping
[09:50 am] eyes  : onxx look to S
[09:51 am] joeytsa  : NSM just ahd a nice 70cent move
[09:52 am] joeytsa  : not sure what caused that ES drop
[09:54 am] eyes  : out another 10 ticks + on CL sim
[09:54 am] joeytsa  : short or long eyes..nice going
[09:54 am] eyes  : long
[09:55 am] joeytsa  : BIDU trying to hold $112
[09:57 am] eyes  : out again 10+ Cl sim
[09:58 am] joeytsa  : what timeframe are you trading?
[09:58 am] eyes  : 1 min
[09:58 am] joeytsa  : cool
[09:59 am] eyes  : now i just need to do that in my real account and not be Chicken
[10:00 am] joeytsa  : thats the toughest part of this game
[10:00 am] joeytsa  : crude just made a nice W
[10:05 am] joeytsa  : BMC
[10:05 am] apple  : wow joey and E - BMC
[10:08 am] taco  : nice  thx ed
[10:10 am] joeytsa  : bernanke to speak
[10:14 am] ticktrader  : Ed, Great call on BMC. Did you had scan set that caught BMC?
[10:15 am] Ed : just simple high/low scanner caught that one
[10:15 am] eddy  : wat a spike on UVXY
[10:15 am] eddy  : missed it totally
[10:16 am] joeytsa  : BMC hit 2 of my scanners
[10:17 am] joeytsa  : price spike scan and a above avg vol scan
[10:18 am] ticktrader  : Joey - Do you use TS for scanning?
[10:18 am] joeytsa  : no
[10:18 am] joeytsa  : i use madscan
[10:19 am] apple  : nice chart on CL
[10:19 am] apple  : 4 trades on one chart continuously pretty darn good
[10:21 am] joeytsa  : VMW to test $94
[10:22 am] Ed : nice
[10:22 am] apple  : excellent, i could get into tht!
[10:22 am] joeytsa  : AAPL lod
[10:24 am] mikewd2 -: covered TSO S
[10:26 am] Ed : will trail last piece of BMC short
[10:27 am] eyes  : are you reading my mind
[10:28 am] elisha  : Thank you Mr. K for all the positive, sane logic.
[10:29 am] apple  : when you are right, you are absolutely 100% correct!
[10:29 am] elisha  : It is wonderful to be part of a place like this.  99% of the people I know think I am crazy for doing this.
[10:29 am] qwert  : been there
[10:30 am] ticktrader  : been there, done that and at times still do the same thing again.
[10:30 am] apple  : i really like thos ebigger moves
[10:30 am] apple  : nice
[10:31 am] apple  : si
[10:32 am] qwert  : sounds simple
[10:32 am] apple  : garbage
[10:32 am] eyes  : But mitch how do you know what signals are going to work and what ones are not
[10:33 am] Ed : when something does not have good range
[10:33 am] apple  : right E
[10:33 am] apple  : choppy no good
[10:34 am] Ed : choppy, flatlining as example
[10:34 am] apple  : so, when can we get Lightning, already?
[10:35 am] mikewd2 -: its just a teaser apple
[10:35 am] Ed : see how small those ranges are eyes, of area when u dont want to trade it
[10:35 am] Ed : its same with a lightning system or without
[10:35 am] apple  : you are so right E
[10:35 am] eyes  : t
[10:35 am] apple  : thx MK
[10:36 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch, you mentioned that we had to use kinetick  with Ninja, that TOS data service with Ninja wouldn't work. Could you confirm that again?
[10:36 am] mikewd2 -: for lightning
[10:37 am] apple  : i talked to ninja last friday, that is correct as far as i know
[10:37 am] Ed : thx apple
[10:39 am] apple  : the feed is about $50 per month
[10:40 am] eyes  : out GC +10 Ticks sim
[10:41 am] khall  : I have basic, CBOE, real time NASDAQ and NYSE.  I also have CME on a waiver - and my bill is $65 per month
[10:42 am] eyes  : out + 12 second  GC sim
[10:49 am] eyes  : onxx
[10:56 am] eyes  : see you all later
[10:56 am] Ed : c ya eyes
[10:56 am] apple  : bye eys, have fun
[10:58 am] apple  : but you would have to add in each chart individually which is what the service rep said.  can't do it for all the trades we do here
[10:59 am] ticktrader  : Also, you can't use your Tradestaion brokerage account to execute the trades
[11:00 am] apple  : wow, E, now I know we are connected!!
[11:00 am] apple  : i just added the ES chart with him and we had to even update the contract!
[11:01 am] Ed : too much work
[11:01 am] eddy  : ouf it wounds very complicated
[11:01 am] eddy  : already we have so many platforms to learn to use plus lighting
[11:01 am] eddy  : this is hard work
[11:01 am] apple  : hey eddy
[11:01 am] eddy  : hi apple
[11:02 am] apple  : only good if you trade only a few stocks, futures, forex, etc.  but we trade many stocks every day.  and you couldn't load it up fast enough if it was called in the room, you would miss your entry - big time!
[11:02 am] aussie123  : Im totally confused... talked with aNinja rep & he indicated TOS would be compatible with NINJA???
[11:03 am] eddy  : i think we should wait for the webinar
[11:03 am] Ed : I was speaking of tradestation and ninja just now
[11:03 am] eddy  : we are all getting confused here
[11:03 am] eddy  : im not taking any action before the webinar
[11:03 am] apple  : they may be compatible, but you will not have streaming data unless you input the charts
[11:04 am] khall  : CL moving up
[11:04 am] joeytsa  : ES on a nice run too
[11:04 am] apple  : Es miving nicely
[11:04 am] apple  : ha, joey and i think alike too
[11:04 am] joeytsa  : :)
[11:05 am] joeytsa  : NY minds think alike
[11:05 am] apple  : and khall, we could almost answer at the same time
[11:05 am] khall  : almost!
[11:05 am] apple  : well, there is a few second delay...
[11:06 am] khall  : ha
[11:06 am] qwert  : AGU moving
[11:08 am] qwert  : :))
[11:12 am] joeytsa  : muddy waters has been quiet lately
[11:12 am] Ed : still counting the money
[11:13 am] apple  : ha
[11:13 am] qwert  : thx
[11:18 am] qwert  : :))
[11:19 am] joeytsa  : AGU spinoff
[11:22 am] Ed : sweet
[11:28 am] apple  : excellent
[11:35 am] qwert  : r u long on EDU ed
[11:36 am] Ed : yes
[11:36 am] qwert  : nice
[11:36 am] Ed : i reversed the short
[11:36 am] qwert  : at 15.50
[11:36 am] apple  : very good
[11:37 am] qwert  : Did you flip that based on daily Ed
[11:37 am] Ed : i reverese just b4 that 15.50
[11:37 am] Ed : yes based on daily
[11:37 am] qwert  : awesome trading
[11:37 am] joeytsa  : nice job
[11:38 am] Ed : its monday and I ate my wheaties
[11:38 am] joeytsa  : haha
[11:38 am] apple  : good boy!
[11:38 am] Ed : thx mother apple
[11:38 am] cowboyh  : keep going like that Ed and you will make wizard soon
[11:39 am] joeytsa  : havent had wheaties in decades
[11:39 am] Ed : i just look at the box, gives me inspiration
[11:39 am] joeytsa  : has a picture of Mitch on hit
[11:39 am] joeytsa  : with lightning shooting from his eyes :)
[11:40 am] Ed : yeeeee haaaaaa hey cowboy
[11:40 am] Ed : howu been
[11:40 am] Ed : right joey
[11:40 am] chinhngo  : look qcor
[11:40 am] cowboyh  : hanging in there
[11:40 am] chinhngo  : bounced soooo hard
[11:40 am] apple  : hey there cowboy, you are too quiet
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : nice one chin
[11:41 am] cowboyh  : Hi apple ya I know tring to work and trade keeps be busy
[11:41 am] apple  : nice one one EDU both ways
[11:42 am] Ed : yea Mitch called that long
[11:43 am] Ed : gave heads up
[11:43 am] Ed : mudd waters was lot more active months back
[11:47 am] ticktrader  : Ed, What signal you used on EDU long?
[11:48 am] Ed : i trade using price action, and how stocks reacts at near potential levels of support/resistance
[11:49 am] Ed : i use OHLC, moving avg. areas of consolidation as potential suport/resistance levels
[11:50 am] Ed : so when stock is selling off, im looking to see how price reacts and what vol is doing
[11:50 am] Ed : same with if stock is moving up rapidly like BMC
[11:52 am] ticktrader  : Ed- Thank you for the lesson
[11:53 am] Ed : i did start my trading with using indicators like macd, stochastics and moving avg. But what happens is u learn to tweek and find what suits ur personality better as trader. So been trading price action last 2 years
[11:54 am] ticktrader  : Any specific book you would recommend that describes price action strategies?
[11:55 am] joeytsa  : best thing about price action is that it doesnt lag like indicators do
[11:56 am] Ed : great question tick I did not learn from book but I do know there are some geat resources out there. Scalp is not here right now but we will ask him 2morrow. He mentioned to me b4,
[11:57 am] Ed : a great book to learn about price action
[11:58 am] Ed : not that Im that great, I just sought out traders and learned little here and there and then added my touch as well
[11:59 am] Ed : including past moderators in room
[11:59 am] joeytsa  : very good Ed
[12:00 pm] ticktrader  : Along with your input, we have many long time traders in the room who have been helpful.
[12:00 pm] joeytsa  : there are price action trading videos on youtube
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : i havent watched them so i cant say if they are good or not
[12:01 pm] Ed : This book will give you great basis, as this is critical to price action traders
[12:01 pm] Ed : cant think right now whats the book by john murphy
[12:01 pm] joeytsa  : he has a few
[12:02 pm] joeytsa  : i got 2 free ones..small books
[12:02 pm] Ed : i know it, just trying to put name togther
[12:02 pm] joeytsa  : "john murphy on chart analysis" and  "charting made easy"
[12:02 pm] Ed : technical analysis
[12:03 pm] joeytsa  : the ones i have are very basic
[12:03 pm] Ed : help me out
[12:03 pm] qwert  : I think its Technical Analysis of the finacial markets
[12:04 pm] joeytsa  : there ya go
[12:04 pm] Ed : there ya go, to lazy to go to my library
[12:04 pm] qwert  : I have it but loaned it out
[12:04 pm] Ed : was about too
[12:04 pm] Ed : thats a great start tick
[12:05 pm] ticktrader  : I will look it up folks. Thank you.
[12:05 pm] joeytsa  : http://www.amazon.com/Technical-Analysis-Fina ncial-Markets-Comprehensive/dp/0735200661
[12:05 pm] qwert  : thats it for sure
[12:05 pm] joeytsa  : martin pring had a decent book also
[12:05 pm] Ed : thats it
[12:06 pm] Ed : I would get it right away tick
[12:06 pm] joeytsa  : same with alexander elder
[12:07 pm] murano  : VQ
[12:09 pm] joeytsa  : tick: you might be able to find that book at the local library also
[12:10 pm] qwert  : ive actually bought all mine used on amazon and have had real good luck
[12:11 pm] Ed : great book to get for discpline by Mark Douglas trading in the zone
[12:11 pm] Ed : it free downloable copy in pdf. form on web
[12:11 pm] joeytsa  : "technical analysis explained" martin pring
[12:11 pm] joeytsa  : real cool Ed
[12:12 pm] Ed : i like free when possible
[12:12 pm] Ed : but even if it cost, well worth it
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : yeah, i have found some decent free stuff on the web
[12:13 pm] joeytsa  : books/ power points from seminars etc
[12:13 pm] ticktrader  : I will look up both of these books. TKS.
[12:13 pm] Ed : glad ur taking an interest in ur trading to get to next level
[12:14 pm] Ed : no matter where on is, always have that hunger to get to next level
[12:14 pm] Ed : on=one
[12:14 pm] joeytsa  : some great free stuff like current video updates, weekly writeups etc
[12:16 pm] joeytsa  : brian shannon does a decent weekly video @ alphatrends.net
[12:16 pm] joeytsa  : free weekly update at investmenthouse.com if my favorite right now
[12:20 pm] ticktrader  : Joey- I have added Alphratrends and investmenthouse on my list to investigate. TKS.
[12:20 pm] eyes  : well managed to end the day down -40 see you all tomorrow
[12:20 pm] Ed : c ya eyes
[12:20 pm] joeytsa  : bye eyes
[12:20 pm] qwert  : way to go eyes
[12:21 pm] ticktrader  : CY eyes
[12:21 pm] joeytsa  : nice 8pt drop since top of hour
[12:28 pm] joeytsa  : ES testing pivot point
[12:32 pm] Ed : uncle Ben to rescue
[12:32 pm] Ed : I meant getting small bounce in markets
[12:34 pm] Ed : Ben says as long as he has priniting press, he will have ammo
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : scary
[12:35 pm] Ed : well i actually said that, but he is thinking it
[12:35 pm] khall  : thinking schminking - he has it written down somewhere as his not-so-top-secret plan
[12:35 pm] Ed : good point
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : Thanks Mitch,Ed everyone..starting to power down for the day
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : see you all tomorrow
[12:49 pm] Ed : c ya joey
[12:50 pm] khall  : I'm out as well - see you all tomorrow
[12:50 pm] Ed : c ya khall
[12:58 pm] mikewd2 -: you guys get that TSO short
[12:59 pm] elisha  : gn Mitch, Ed and traders
[01:00 pm] qwert  : bye everyone have an awesome night

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