Chat Highlights From 09/24/2013

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Pre Market Up:  AAPL, BRCM, TSLA, CYCC, TIBX, JKS, URBN Pre Market Down:  RNA, NGL, INVN,
(05:48 am) Mitch King:looking for longer term hold on  CL, maybe 1 hour, got important buy signal
(05:49 am) Mitch King:gold, GC also should uptrend for a while today
(05:59 am) Mitch King:RNA down 18.35, which looks like 70% down
(06:00 am) Mitch King:CL 11-13 good buy entry on this drop here
(06:16 am) JoeyTSA :/ES pp is 1718.25 for a point of ref,  trading there now
(06:17 am) Mitch :September 20, 2013, Friday
(06:17 am) Mitch King:this is GC 12-13, long entry was at 522:50am pacific time, 3 contracts, 2 were sold at profit targets and 3rd contract left open as runner
(06:22 am) Mitch King:important buy signal NG 10-13, Natural gas
(06:31 am) JoeyTSA :eye on MNST
(06:32 am) Mitch King:monitoring GME
(06:32 am) Mitch King:watching CCL drop,
(06:34 am) Mitch King:monitoring FU bottom, never heard that symbol
(06:34 am) Mitch King:for bottom in QCOR
(06:34 am) Mitch King:watching QCOR bot bottom
(06:34 am) Ed :QCOR monitoring
(06:35 am) Mitch :watching CAT
(06:35 am) Mitch King:watching SWI drop
(06:36 am) Mitch King:i dont recommend shorting CL on up trend, remember this has come down 350 ticks last 2 days
(06:36 am) JoeyTSA :eye on NUGT for bottom eventually
(06:36 am) Murano :watching SSTK
(06:36 am) JoeyTSA :watching AAPL here
(06:37 am) Mitch King:watching TIBX for bottom
(06:37 am) Mitch King:watching NUGT for bottom
(06:38 am) Mitch :watching COL
(06:38 am) Mitch King:watching SEE closer for bottom
(06:39 am) Mitch King:QLIK trending up
(06:39 am) JoeyTSA :tighten NFLX if you got that pullback
(06:43 am) Mitch King:no rush to sell CL yet but getting interesting
(06:44 am) JoeyTSA :eye on SRPT here, tighten if short
(06:45 am) Ed :if u were able to take QCOR short would cover
(06:45 am) JoeyTSA :watching GMCR for bottom
(06:46 am) Mitch King:starting to reduce CL 11-13 long position, not in hurry, trying to pick best price
(06:47 am) Mitch King:so that was 60+ ticks on CL,
(06:47 am) Mitch King:CL not a good price level to be buying here, for new position but only trying to get best price on some contracts, consider reducing or selling here
(06:49 am) Mitch King:got early sell signal in CL
(06:52 am) Mitch King:now even though CL just moved 70 ticks up, and I suggested to sell the long . . . . that doesnt mean the same as a short signal entry.  i just wait
(06:52 am) Mitch :monitoring TSLA
(06:53 am) Ed :QCOR dont want to get gready so Im out all short
(06:53 am) Ed :out all QCOR short
(06:54 am) Ed :will sit on side wait for long setup
(06:54 am) Ed :would like to see how price reacts to 55 level
(06:55 am) Ed :I suggest most wait for low and allow stock to retest that lod and if holds take long
(06:55 am) Ed :for QCOR you will have an aggressive setup for long which is first signal
(06:56 am) Mitch King:watching SEE closer
(06:57 am) Ed :the retest give better probability being stock is in downtrend
(06:57 am) Mitch King:watchign SWC for bottom
(06:58 am) JoeyTSA :tighten SOHU if you took it short
(06:59 am) Mitch :monitoring SIRO
(06:59 am) Mitch King:watching SOHU for bottom
(07:04 am) Mitch :monitoring TRIP
(07:06 am) Mitch King:watching JCP
(07:06 am) JoeyTSA :if still short SRPT, tighten here
(07:07 am) Mitch King:watching QEP, monitoring actually
(07:07 am) Qwert :watching JCP
(07:11 am) Ed :SPY new lod
(07:12 am) Ed :keep eye on Z see if vol comes into stock
(07:12 am) Ed :Z Citron issues additional cautious note on the company, sees company worth $30/she-
(07:14 am) Mitch King:monitoring  PGTI
(07:15 am) JoeyTSA :TRLA pulling back, lower vol though
(07:17 am) Mitch King:buy signal on GC 12-13, important longer term hold, could last 2 hours
(07:30 am) Mitch King:looking for bounce in GC 12-13 here
(07:31 am) Mitch King:looking for bounce in CL
(07:35 am) Ed :reducing 3/4 QCOR long
(07:41 am) Ed :I will trail last 1/4 of QCOR long
(07:59 am) Mitch King:important  buy signals on CL 11-13
(08:22 am) Murano :watching MSI
(08:25 am) Mitch King:SPY low of day
(08:34 am) Mitch King:maybe 15 tick
(08:34 am) Mitch King:watching CL for bounce
(08:59 am) Ed :SPY new lod
(09:27 am) Murano :wqatching NDLS
(09:35 am) Murano :watching LGF
(09:56 am) JoeyTSA :SFUN getting some volume
(11:11 am) JoeyTSA :eye on /CL
(11:30 am) Murano :watching BCRX

(05:09 am) taco  :gm Qwert fox regatta
(05:10 am) taco  :i feel really dumb posting the signal i thought on your call yest regatta, was way early. shows how green i am
(05:10 am) taco  :bothered me all night
(05:12 am) Qwert :Good morning fox, regatta, taco
(05:18 am) doji  :Hi Taco, Qwert
(05:19 am) Qwert :gm doji
(05:19 am) taco  :hey dojimyster
(05:19 am) doji  :Here is my dumb post: I had APPL on Wednesday and sold it yesterday ata around $470. I should have waiting until today's close or speculate until Monday...
(05:21 am) doji  :For one reason or another, I ma very bad on holding my winners, specially the ones I swing.. I have nice entries but sell them when they star to pull back. I thinks I need to have to isolate my scalper mindset from my swing's approach
(05:23 am) Qwert :that is very hard for all of us doji, for me i cant watch it just have to set stops
(05:23 am) doji  :Thanks... see you later, have to take some calls..
(05:26 am) fox3  :good evening
(05:26 am) Qwert :fox where are you at that its good evening?
(05:26 am) fox3  :Australia
(05:27 am) taco  :welcome fox
(05:27 am) fox3  :thanks
(05:27 am) Qwert :I live in californis so its good early morning
(05:27 am) Qwert :california
(05:27 am) Qwert :yes welcome
(05:28 am) Qwert :gm Joey
(05:29 am) JoeyTSA :Good morning Qwert, traders..welcome to the room fox
(05:30 am) fox3  :thanks
(05:32 am) JoeyTSA :usually the first 60-90min is when most ideas come thru, esp close to the open
(05:36 am) JoeyTSA :some realy gap up: XONE,TIBX,CYCC,AAPL
(05:37 am) JoeyTSA :early gap down: RNA,NUGT,SRPT,DRI
(05:47 am) taco  :thx for gaps joey
(05:48 am) regatta  :hey taco, just saw your post from earlier, don't feel bad, i new to this and have made my share of boneheaded moves
(05:49 am) JoeyTSA :thanks Mitch
(05:49 am) taco  :thx Mitch
(05:52 am) taco  :fox3 - CL and GC are futures btw
(05:52 am) taco  :usually indicated with the month or "/" as in /CL11-13
(05:52 am) JoeyTSA :thanks taco, was just going to mention that
(05:53 am) JoeyTSA :/CL= crude oil , /GC= gold
(05:54 am) fox3  :thanks taco i am a futures trader mainly 6e and NQ
(05:54 am) JoeyTSA :you ever trade 6A, since you are in australia?
(05:54 am) taco  :nice, Ed likes currency too
(05:55 am) fox3  :watched it but i trade early evening Aust time and 6E is the best mover NQ seems to give you a start early
(05:56 am) JoeyTSA :the big 3 here are /CL,/GC/,/ES,  but will get a /TF,/NG call from time to time too
(05:56 am) JoeyTSA :makes sense
(05:56 am) taco  :reason for "/" in front is to differentiate from stock ideas
(05:56 am) fox3  :now it is 10.55 so i need to head of to bed soon cant stay awake all night so need something that gives you a move mid evening my time
(05:56 am) JoeyTSA :havent loaded /NQ in a while, maybe i should,  usually have /YM up
(05:57 am) JoeyTSA :understand
(05:57 am) Qwert :Mitch gives excellent calls on the /CL
(06:00 am) fox3  :will watch thanks
(06:02 am) taco  :/GC runnin
(06:02 am) taco  :bought one in sim 1347.6 a while ago
(06:02 am) taco  :love those green profit numbers:)
(06:02 am) JoeyTSA :that was a great buy area taco, nice rounded bottom
(06:03 am) taco  :fumbled a bit though at first with other  bottom
(06:03 am) taco  :higher bottom
(06:04 am) Qwert :nice Taco
(06:04 am) taco  :) sim mode but ty
(06:04 am) JoeyTSA :looked like 1346.50 was the support area?
(06:05 am) taco  :ya perfect support area from the run up and pause the other day
(06:06 am) JoeyTSA :i didnt even look that far back
(06:07 am) taco  :i keep 15 minute up for levels too
(06:08 am) JoeyTSA :smart, i should do that also..but i dont haha
(06:08 am) JoeyTSA :RNA down big due to phase 3
(06:09 am) taco  :i want to hold trades longer so i like to see what im up against
(06:09 am) JoeyTSA :makes sense, always need to know some kind of s/r areas
(06:12 am) skydiver  :gm all
(06:12 am) JoeyTSA :hey sky
(06:12 am) taco  :gm sky
(06:13 am) skydiver  :we we had prayers for you yesterday joey . . :)
(06:13 am) JoeyTSA :thanks, it was an amazing memorial
(06:13 am) skydiver  :good to hear
(06:13 am) JoeyTSA :some of vegas' top singers and musicians performed, Michael Grimm even did a song
(06:14 am) skydiver  :amazing guy to draw these people :)
(06:14 am) JoeyTSA :yeah, wierdest thing was seein 4 Elvis', 1 Rod Stewart, a Cher all in the audience haha
(06:14 am) taco  :lol
(06:14 am) Qwert :hahaha
(06:15 am) JoeyTSA :Bobby Darin, Blues Brothers etc
(06:17 am) doji  :Bulls-Bear turned higher on Wednesday
(06:17 am) doji  :Investors Intelligence Poll
(06:17 am) taco  :thx Mitch nice trading
(06:17 am) JoeyTSA :thanks doji,  it was bearish before that
(06:18 am) JoeyTSA :thanks Mitch for list
(06:19 am) doji  :News? Markets moving
(06:20 am) Qwert :DRI a gap down as well missed earnings
(06:20 am) JoeyTSA :thx qwert, President/COO is leaving also
(06:20 am) Murano :good morning
(06:21 am) Qwert :thx joey didnt see that
(06:21 am) JoeyTSA :got it off rtt
(06:21 am) JoeyTSA :sometimes they have a " pre market movers" headline
(06:22 am) doji  :SRPT closed the gap alreday
(06:22 am) JoeyTSA :rttnews.com
(06:22 am) Qwert :thx joey
(06:22 am) JoeyTSA :i just took /NG off and switched it to /TF  hah
(06:24 am) JoeyTSA :2 ipos out today?
(06:24 am) JoeyTSA :cnbc mentioned 2, not sure if today or not, not sure of tickers either..one was called RocketFuel
(06:25 am) skydiver  :I see 4 ipo's coming out today joey
(06:26 am) JoeyTSA :thx sky, wasnt sure
(06:26 am) JoeyTSA :Good morning to everyone
(06:26 am) herman  :gm all
(06:27 am) skydiver  :ipo's FUEL   FEYE    BIND   MYTC -- these symbols might be off as I caught this via audio only . . .ears are not as good as they used to be :)
(06:27 am) JoeyTSA :can you hear me now??  :)
(06:28 am) JoeyTSA :thanks for those
(06:28 am) skydiver  ::)
(06:28 am) elisha  :gm all
(06:29 am) JoeyTSA :couple movers this week keeping on the radar : VIPS,SOHU,QIHU,BMRN
(06:29 am) skydiver  :gm elilsha and thnx joey
(06:29 am) JoeyTSA :hi elisha,  eye on /ES 1720
(06:30 am) elisha  :gm sky
(06:30 am) elisha  :gm joey
(06:33 am) JoeyTSA :SRPT testing $40 now, nice move
(06:33 am) JoeyTSA :missed pop on NFLX
(06:34 am) skydiver  :monitoring TIBX
(06:34 am) skydiver  :monitoring TSLA
(06:37 am) doji  :Watching /GC
(06:38 am) doji  :AMZN
(06:38 am) skydiver  :FIOI - take over chatter
(06:38 am) skydiver  :sorry -- FIO
(06:40 am) JoeyTSA :nice on AMZN doji, but over $315 would be nice
(06:41 am) JoeyTSA :moved without me though
(06:42 am) skydiver  :RNA - trying to move up
(06:42 am) shawn3  :Is NFLX a Top?
(06:42 am) doji  :O/I high at 315 in AMZN Joey
(06:42 am) JoeyTSA :RNA big overreaction on the bad news
(06:42 am) JoeyTSA :thx doji
(06:43 am) skydiver  :was wondering = thanks jeoy
(06:43 am) skydiver  :joey
(06:43 am) doji  :FSL short at 40.9
(06:43 am) skydiver  :long RNA at 7.09
(06:43 am) doji  :FSLR
(06:44 am) doji  :Out 1/2 FSLR short
(06:44 am) doji  :AMZN at 315 Joey
(06:44 am) JoeyTSA :yep, missed TLSA too
(06:45 am) doji  :APPL
(06:45 am) skydiver  :out 1/2 RNA long 7.66
(06:48 am) Qwert :great /CL call mitch
(06:48 am) Mitch King:did you buy CL with me Qwert?
(06:48 am) Qwert :yes thank you
(06:49 am) Mitch King:attaboy,
(06:50 am) Qwert :now just waiting for the next one Mitch  :))
(06:50 am) taco  :)
(06:51 am) doji  :TSLA just nuts
(06:51 am) skydiver  :looking like TSLA might be shooting to hit 200 later on
(06:51 am) skydiver  :I waited to long TSLA - was waiting for a dip to buy in . . oh well
(06:53 am) taco  :beauty call Ed QCOR, weak from yesterday i didn't trade it
(06:54 am) taco  :agree
(06:54 am) JoeyTSA :great on QCOR
(06:54 am) doji  :Just wating on the setup for QCOR long
(06:54 am) doji  :Shout loudly when you see the setup Ed
(06:55 am) JoeyTSA :some really nice moves so far
(06:55 am) doji  :What????
(06:56 am) Ed :IM speaking based on candles
(06:56 am) Ed :I trade price action using candles, price and vol
(06:57 am) doji  :QCOR... dang
(06:57 am) doji  :jumped without warning!!!
(06:57 am) Ed :could be short covering on this candle
(06:57 am) doji  :So?
(06:57 am) Ed :just wait for retest
(06:57 am) doji  :Waiting for the re-test?
(06:58 am) JoeyTSA :/YM gave nice short
(06:58 am) Ed :many times short covering will give big spike
(06:58 am) doji  :Nice short in TSLA right at 185 O/I level
(06:59 am) JoeyTSA :missed BMRN short even though was on radar..ohw ell
(07:00 am) doji  :Waiting on the re-test in QCOR Ed
(07:00 am) gum  :Thanks Mitch for RNA !!
(07:00 am) doji  :Out TSLA short... nice $1... only
(07:01 am) JoeyTSA :good trade doji
(07:01 am) doji  :Will look for a re-test to enter again
(07:01 am) Ed :make sure you get valid setup on retest of lod. Valid setup in regards to confiming candle of bullish engulfing pattern
(07:02 am) doji  :as the candle at 9:57 Ed?
(07:02 am) Ed :if its not clear what Im saying, then that means need to study candle
(07:02 am) Ed :yes
(07:02 am) doji  :Here she goes
(07:04 am) doji  :Second shrt in TSLA
(07:04 am) doji  :at the lower high
(07:04 am) doji  :We need now a lower low
(07:05 am) doji  :NUGT
(07:05 am) JoeyTSA :might get it, indices have been trending down
(07:06 am) doji  :Still holding 1/2 FSLR short
(07:07 am) Qwert :even mitch types faster than i do  hahaha
(07:08 am) JoeyTSA :haha
(07:09 am) doji  :AMZN slowly drifting up
(07:12 am) doji  :Ouch $30/share for Z?
(07:13 am) JoeyTSA :that would be ugly move down
(07:16 am) taco  :QCOR good study chart
(07:18 am) doji  :I agree taco, the first engulfing candle was, as Ed said, short covering... that was folowed by lack of buying and further selling
(07:18 am) Ed :agreed taco
(07:18 am) doji  :Watching the $53.41 level
(07:18 am) taco  :good short idea a few minutes ago
(07:18 am) Ed :good read doji, it never retested and held by getting valid buy signal
(07:18 am) taco  :clue was the lower high right doji
(07:19 am) Ed :to confim
(07:19 am) skydiver  :good lesson - thnx :)
(07:19 am) Ed :so yea taco, flipside is that good short when that does not happen. What doji and I mentioned
(07:20 am) JoeyTSA :good read on the candles
(07:21 am) taco  :considering the gap from 60 to53.5
(07:21 am) doji  :QCOR
(07:21 am) taco  :ya
(07:22 am) doji  :Another short coverage?
(07:22 am) doji  :We'll see
(07:22 am) JoeyTSA :only potential confusion area would have been taht $56 held,  but in conjunction with trend, not sure you would want to fade it
(07:22 am) taco  :ed played something like that like a champ few weeks ago, the chart looked very similar
(07:23 am) taco  :lots of downside potential
(07:23 am) taco  :im burning this stuff into my mind haha
(07:23 am) JoeyTSA ::)
(07:23 am) doji  :Watching NFLX
(07:23 am) skydiver  :good burning taco
(07:24 am) doji  :Here it still looks weak IMHO
(07:28 am) elisha  :agreed - another good lesson - thx Ed
(07:28 am) doji  :Nice run in AMZN Joey
(07:29 am) doji  :All rebounds in QCOR being sold
(07:30 am) JoeyTSA :yeah doji, good run
(07:30 am) doji  :GOOG hitting 900
(07:31 am) elisha  :do you think QCOR is just closing that window from 7/31?
(07:32 am) doji  :It looks like Elisha
(07:34 am) JoeyTSA :break time, see you all in an hour or so
(07:34 am) taco  :enjoy joey
(07:35 am) doji  :I think I missed QCOR... no clear sign for me...
(07:35 am) doji  :I must be tooo greeen
(07:35 am) doji  :When did tou take it Ed?
(07:36 am) doji  :Never mind
(07:36 am) Ed :54.89
(07:36 am) Ed :will  explain
(07:37 am) doji  :Don't worry, I see the hammer at 10:37
(07:37 am) doji  :and the subsequent higher lows
(07:38 am) elisha  :I'd be happy to listen -er read your explaination Ed
(07:39 am) elisha  :Doji - i don't see a hammer at 10:37
(07:40 am) Qwert :elisha guessing he meant 10:27
(07:40 am) doji  :10:27, red candle with log wick
(07:40 am) elisha  :ah so - that makes sense
(07:40 am) Ed :ok stock formed morningstar, candles 3 to complete  10:19, 10:20, and 10:21, this is term at 10:27 you had a crack and snap back of the morningstar test so took next bar after 10:27
(07:41 am) Ed :"crack and snap-back" is term coined in candlestick study
(07:41 am) Qwert :nice trading Ed
(07:42 am) elisha  :crack as in cracking support and snapping back up over it?
(07:42 am) Ed :exactly elisha
(07:42 am) elisha  :i love it when you talk education
(07:43 am) Ed :the key was the morningstar and if would get retest of that
(07:44 am) Ed :this is what causes it, people on sidelines have watched stock drop and drop and drop, and the finally they jump on short side, and they get bounced hard, cause for crack then snap
(07:45 am) Ed :as new traders we have been on that side before, going in with no patience discipline or plan, we jump on momemtum
(07:45 am) doji  :Nice trade Ed...
(07:45 am) doji  :See ya later fellas
(07:45 am) Ed :thx doji
(07:45 am) Ed :c ya later
(07:45 am) Qwert :bye doji
(07:46 am) Qwert :great teaching Ed
(07:46 am) Murano :see you doji
(07:46 am) doji  :HAve to lick my wounds...
(07:46 am) elisha  :bye Doji
(07:46 am) taco  :take care doji
(07:50 am) elisha  :thanks for explaining what causes that
(07:52 am) taco  :nice/GC drop
(07:55 am) Qwert :FUEL ipo opened a few minutes ago
(07:56 am) skydiver  :had to step away for a bit but back . . thanks for teaching Ed :)
(07:57 am) Qwert :sky look at fuel i missed but a good example for how mitch has taught to play
(07:58 am) skydiver  :yes Qwert . . Mitch's technique on those IPO's is very very good
(07:59 am) skydiver  :I missed both IPO's as had to take care of an item for awhile, but back :)
(08:00 am) Qwert :i had forgotten but glanced at the tv and they were talking about fuel
(08:00 am) skydiver  :nice
(08:01 am) skydiver  :anot her ipo opening in abouit 5 minutes . . FEYE ?
(08:01 am) Qwert :thx will watch it
(08:02 am) skydiver  ::)
(08:05 am) skydiver  :FEYE opening has been extended for another 5 minutes
(08:05 am) Qwert :nice call on /CL mitch missed entry  :((
(08:08 am) taco  :have to go to another appointment, nice trades today. thanks Mitch Ed Diosna Qwert Murano Joey and everyone have a great weekend. Think we're going shopping after or something..:)
(08:08 am) Ed :c ya taco
(08:08 am) Mitch King:later taco man
(08:08 am) Qwert :have a nice weekend Taco
(08:08 am) taco  :staying logged in to see all the fun i'll miss, wait shopping is fun..not haha
(08:08 am) Qwert :hey we have taco man in so cal  great food
(08:09 am) taco  :)
(08:10 am) elisha  :bye taco
(08:12 am) gum  :Didn't make a lot but enjoyed owning FU! Thanks Mitch.
(08:15 am) skydiver  :FEYE ipo is now open
(08:15 am) skydiver  :BIND ipo - opens soon as well
(08:19 am) skydiver  :FEYE - 40.01 - sold 40.89
(08:19 am) Qwert :nice sky
(08:20 am) skydiver  :may have left $$ on the table , but happy with profit
(08:20 am) skydiver  :thnks qwert
(08:20 am) Qwert :i saw that giant order at 40.00 but still just watched
(08:20 am) skydiver  :BIND is open
(08:21 am) skydiver  :FEYE is good example on Mitch's training on IPO's :)
(08:24 am) skydiver  :like I said -- left money on the table with FEYE ipo - hit 42
(08:26 am) skydiver  :I went long on FEYE again at 43.21 - small position
(08:27 am) skydiver  :all out of FEYE again . . .44.34
(08:29 am) skydiver  :nice call Murano on MSI
(08:30 am) Murano :thanks sky
(08:33 am) Murano :covered 3/4 MSI
(08:34 am) Qwert :thank you for msi Murano
(08:34 am) Murano :stop last 1/4 MSI 60.55
(08:38 am) Murano :looking for 60.20 area last 1/4 MSI
(08:39 am) regatta  :watching MPW
(08:40 am) regatta  :low vol
(08:44 am) Murano :covered last 1/4 MSI
(08:47 am) Ed :nice move over 40 on SRPT
(08:48 am) JoeyTSA :SRPT still on nice climb
(08:49 am) JoeyTSA :up about $10 from gap down
(08:50 am) Ed :quite a few upgrades today
(08:50 am) JoeyTSA :House voted to defund 0care
(08:55 am) Ed :i forget the stocks right off, but should be some rebanacing in stocks, so will get volatile near close
(08:55 am) Ed :I know AAPL is one
(08:56 am) JoeyTSA :thanks Ed
(09:21 am) JoeyTSA :Ed : great call on Z
(09:22 am) Ed :man, and i missed it
(09:22 am) JoeyTSA :me too,  just hit my scanner again, pulled up chart
(09:22 am) Qwert :funny was just looking at it as well on Z
(09:23 am) Ed :yea sometime on reports like tht take bit b4 vol shows up but they turn into good plays
(09:23 am) JoeyTSA :for me it was more like ZZZZZZ
(09:23 am) Ed :down about 5 points
(09:23 am) JoeyTSA :i slept on that one haha
(09:23 am) Qwert :hahaha
(09:23 am) doji  :Back from lunch
(09:23 am) JoeyTSA :yeah, should have nailed some puts on it
(09:24 am) doji  :My small short in Z slowly working...
(09:24 am) Ed :glad doji got it
(09:24 am) Qwert :where did u enter doji?
(09:24 am) Qwert :glad u got it we all went to sleep
(09:26 am) doji  :At the failed re-test of 95
(09:26 am) doji  :Pins that worked nicely today:
(09:26 am) JoeyTSA :great job
(09:26 am) doji  :FSLR at $40
(09:26 am) Qwert :awesome doji
(09:26 am) doji  :AMZN at $320
(09:27 am) doji  :GOOG at $900
(09:27 am) doji  :FB at $45
(09:27 am) doji  :and TSLA at $185
(09:28 am) doji  :I need to trust more in my instincts on Friday's OPEX
(09:31 am) JoeyTSA :TSLA pulling back doji
(09:32 am) JoeyTSA :Z coming into $90 area
(09:32 am) Murano :big spread on NDLS   I am not going to trade
(09:32 am) Ed :thats one always seem to have big spread
(09:33 am) Ed :that Citron rerport really got Z going
(09:33 am) doji  :Dye Z dye
(09:33 am) elisha  :also on Z - 4 times it failed to close above the 50ma today on the 1 min.  the 5th attempt failed - that would have been a good entry also?
(09:33 am) JoeyTSA :sure did
(09:34 am) JoeyTSA :i dont have the 50ma up elisha, maybe someone else does
(09:34 am) doji  :It is trading below the 50dMA the whole day
(09:35 am) elisha  :i'm speaking between 10:03 and 10:29
(09:35 am) elisha  :est
(09:38 am) doji  :Yes Elisha
(09:38 am) elisha  :thx Doji
(09:38 am) doji  :Just be carefull I don't know who said TSLA is worth $50 and look where it is now
(09:38 am) doji  :It was back in July
(09:42 am) Murano :out 3/4 LGF
(09:42 am) Ed :nice one murano
(09:42 am) JoeyTSA :Z popped too quick for me
(09:42 am) JoeyTSA :good trade murano
(09:43 am) Ed :joey just like you do very well with those pullbacks, Z is a favorite
(09:43 am) Ed :for me
(09:43 am) Murano :out last 1/4 LGF
(09:44 am) JoeyTSA :yeah, was getting ready but didnt
(09:44 am) elisha  :Ed - your fav being?  loss of support with increasing vol or?
(09:45 am) doji  :That is waht I was talking about Z
(09:45 am) doji  :The drop will be very volatile.... that is why I have only a small position....
(09:45 am) doji  :Target $30... lol
(09:46 am) JoeyTSA :who cares if they are correct, all they have to do is influence enough people for movement :)
(09:48 am) doji  :We cab test the 50mMA here
(09:48 am) doji  :can
(09:48 am) doji  :theory
(09:48 am) elisha  :remember Doji - on march 1st I said I did the head & shoulders formula on AAPL and it said AAPL was going to the 347 ish level.  You laughed and said you were buying puts - "all of them"  AAPL went to 385 ish.  How much money would that have been?
(09:49 am) doji  :lol... sure I bough some but closed when it reversed...
(09:49 am) doji  :That is why I am always complaining that my exists left a lot of money on the table
(09:49 am) elisha  :'')
(09:50 am) doji  :I have always GTC stops... specially when I leave on a business trip... or from one day to another
(09:50 am) doji  :Just remember the flash crahs
(09:52 am) JoeyTSA :trading while travelling can be a bit scary
(09:52 am) elisha  :trading while at home can also be a bit scary
(09:52 am) JoeyTSA :i dont even like to go to the bathroom when i have a trade in action haha
(09:52 am) elisha  :oh dear.....
(09:52 am) JoeyTSA :agreed elisha
(09:52 am) skydiver  :I goofed by being gone too long
(09:53 am) Ed :what was ur question elisha, when I scroll up it mixes with other comments from members
(09:53 am) elisha  :what - you don't like hash?
(09:53 am) elisha  :it was -
(09:53 am) Ed :now im really confused LOL
(09:54 am) doji  :Ed, his/her question was... are you going to work this saturday night?
(09:54 am) Ed :when I scroll up, i see black writing mixed with blue writing
(09:54 am) Ed :lol
(09:54 am) skydiver  :Ed . . how crazy would it be to go long on
(09:54 am) Ed :doji is funny
(09:54 am) skydiver  :on TSLA for a swing ??  I feel it's top heavy
(09:55 am) JoeyTSA :good one doji haha
(09:55 am) Ed :I think you are better off waiting for pullback sky
(09:55 am) skydiver  :t hanks Ed, you confirmed by thinking -- thanks :)
(09:55 am) elisha  :on Z - when it had tested the 50m four times between 10:03 &10:29 without closing above it.  Then on the fifth attempt it was rejected by the 50ma.  Would that have been a good enough signal for a short?
(09:55 am) doji  :Sky, buy high and sell low... lol
(09:55 am) skydiver  :argh - I knew I had that backwards ;)
(09:55 am) Ed :the risk in buying here is you get pullback,
(09:56 am) skydiver  :yes . I have seen TSLA in the past pull back a lot . . so . . thnking it might do that again
(09:57 am) elisha  :aarg - you're going to tell me not enough vol
(09:57 am) Ed :Yes and no, elisha. This is why I say that, just relying on 50sma to short if get rejected and trade below for short is that from proability standpoint the trade may work 5 out of 10times
(09:58 am) Ed :The problem is you dont know if it is being rejected by 20sma, 50,sma, 54,sma, 10sma and so on
(10:00 am) Ed :So, what some will do is draw a trendline, to help with this and then once you see that stock is in downtrend then you can short the highs as  it approaches that trendline, using trendline as reference. Stop would be closing candle above trendline
(10:01 am) doji  :SFUN moving in lower volume after each candle
(10:01 am) Ed :Here is my point also, that type of trade is more of an art also, as you can see using the 50sma by itslef, once could have been easily stopped out 3 times, eventhough you were right on the direction
(10:02 am) Ed :What am I saying, basically that it is more of advance trade
(10:04 am) elisha  :thanks Ed - i understand everything you explained except your 9:58 comment about not knowing "if it is being rejected by 20sma, 50sma,etc."  My question is - if I am using the 50 ma how much does it matter what the other ma's are saying?
(10:06 am) Ed :You will see that some use multiple ma's in this case, so if stock still remains below all ma's, one knows trend is still down and remain short although stock has bounce up. By using just one sma, this does not give same feedback
(10:07 am) doji  :I use the 63.75MA...
(10:07 am) elisha  :I see said the blind squirrel - thank you Mr. Wizard
(10:07 am) JoeyTSA :haha
(10:07 am) Murano :if you went long NDLS I would sell some here
(10:08 am) doji  :My Brazilian secretary uses the 69... she said it always work... lol
(10:08 am) JoeyTSA ::)
(10:08 am) JoeyTSA :problem is that every ma, indicator etc works..until they dont
(10:08 am) doji  :Z again
(10:08 am) doji  :Here is your 50mMA test
(10:09 am) doji  :Elisha
(10:09 am) JoeyTSA :go crazy trying to find the perfect one that works every time
(10:09 am) Ed :yep. Joey comment further illustrate my point
(10:09 am) skydiver  :BP up on take over chatter
(10:09 am) elisha  :ok ok - you are both wizards!
(10:10 am) JoeyTSA :you have to get comfortable either with your normal settings, or add way too many and go really insane trying to figure out which will work this time
(10:10 am) skydiver  :and if you're crazy like myself, the more the merrier :)
(10:11 am) JoeyTSA :i used to mess myself up by over-thinking
(10:11 am) elisha  :guess i need to pick "which ones" for me
(10:11 am) doji  :Thinking is bad....
(10:11 am) Ed :have to agree simple is better
(10:11 am) JoeyTSA :yeah elisha, some people like macd or stochs..while others never look at them
(10:12 am) Ed :true what doji, says, you dont want to think when it comes to trading. It will slow you  down
(10:12 am) elisha  :OK - Doji is a wizard too....
(10:12 am) JoeyTSA :just like when news breaks
(10:13 am) JoeyTSA :dont waste time wondering what the news is, just say " how will the crowd react ?" and " how is the crowd reacting now?"
(10:13 am) skydiver  :getting ready to cover BP short
(10:13 am) JoeyTSA :AAPL to test $470
(10:14 am) Murano :elisha, I use MACD and have added RSI.  If a stock comes up to it's 50 SMA and the MACD and RSI are looking straight up, not starting to flatten on top, I will not consider a short on that stock.
(10:14 am) elisha  :and the difference between being one of the fleeced sheep who reacts and chases and being a disciplined trader is experience and study I bet
(10:15 am) skydiver  :all out of BP short
(10:15 am) elisha  :Thanks Murano - even though you're a wizard to you will always be a blind squirrel to me
(10:15 am) JoeyTSA :and with news, just because something moves violently in 1 direction today, doesnt mean it will continue
(10:16 am) JoeyTSA :with TSLA cant rmember if it dropped on that lowered #, but you can see it has gone up overall
(10:16 am) JoeyTSA :with Z today, just on the news i should have shorted instantly..but didnt
(10:16 am) skydiver  :humm . guess that's why the sky micro short happens . .
(10:17 am) JoeyTSA :doesnt mean Z will actually hit $30 though, and who knows, might shoot to $130 monday
(10:18 am) Ed :yea sometimes analyst get mad bcuz they miss move so they try to dampen the move
(10:18 am) Murano :I don't often use the 50 SMA.  I prefer a chart pattern like LGF 40 minutes ago.  Dropping fast with increasing.  Watch the MACD and RSI for a crossover.  This works about 90% of the time.
(10:18 am) Murano :increasing volume
(10:18 am) skydiver  :interesting Murano.  Never have used RSI
(10:19 am) elisha  :thank you all for this great input
(10:20 am) skydiver  :thanks for asking questions elisha . . allows all of us to learn with you :)
(10:20 am) JoeyTSA :sometimes the answers lead to more confusion/questions
(10:22 am) skydiver  :true joey, but learned some good items today . . . to apply would need me to try to apply via virtual to pracitce first
(10:22 am) Murano :elisha,  do you use ninja?
(10:22 am) doji  :I like watching the O/I specailly on Thursday and Friday as that just give you an idication of possble price targets...
(10:23 am) elisha  :right now yes murano
(10:24 am) Murano :ok, put two ninja charts side by side, one a one minute the other a 30 second
(10:24 am) Murano :the stock is LGF
(10:25 am) elisha  :just a min have to restart again
(10:25 am) Murano :your MACD setting will be 7,14,7     your RSI setting will be 14,10
(10:27 am) elisha  :back  - working on it murano
(10:27 am) Murano :no hurry
(10:28 am) JoeyTSA :break time, see you in 20
(10:30 am) elisha  :i'm not sure about the rsi setting - i only have one option for period
(10:30 am) elisha  :i'm assuming you mean stoch rsi on NT
(10:31 am) Murano :period 14    smooth 10
(10:31 am) Murano :no not stoch rsi    just rsi
(10:32 am) elisha  :oh - my mistake
(10:33 am) Murano :put up down volume at the bottom of the chart
(10:33 am) Murano :it will read "volume up down" in ninja
(10:35 am) elisha  :ok - got it
(10:36 am) Murano :your stock is LGF      go back to 11.36 central time on the chart
(10:36 am) elisha  :except - how do i get a 30 sec chart?
(10:37 am) Murano :click on the chart and type in 30s
(10:37 am) elisha  :thanks
(10:37 am) Murano :let me know when you have it
(10:37 am) elisha  :i have it
(10:37 am) Murano :are you at 11.36 time
(10:38 am) elisha  :yes
(10:38 am) Murano :on both charts
(10:38 am) elisha  :yes
(10:38 am) Murano :you will see LGF dropping fast and the volume increasing
(10:39 am) elisha  :yes
(10:40 am) Murano :at 11:36.30  you will see the RSI cross over on the 30 second chart this is early warning to get ready
(10:40 am) Murano :the MACD on the 30 second crosses over at 11:39.30
(10:40 am) Murano :do you see this?
(10:41 am) elisha  :yes
(10:42 am) Murano :this process will work about 90% of the time on fast movers
(10:42 am) skydiver  :nice murano . . .question . . how do you get a 30 second chart?
(10:42 am) elisha  :how did you ever figure this out?
(10:43 am) Murano :trial and error
(10:43 am) elisha  :thanks sky for asking this too
(10:43 am) Qwert :sky just type in 30s on the chart
(10:43 am) skydiver  :thnx qwert . . 30s ?  okay
(10:43 am) Qwert :murano are you using lightning on that 30s chart
(10:44 am) Murano :to be safe you may want to wait for the same signals on the one minute chart
(10:44 am) Murano :only on fast movers qwert
(10:44 am) Qwert :so with that setup whats your entry price on LGF
(10:45 am) doji  :I cannot setup 30 seconds in TDA
(10:45 am) Murano :33.63 on LGF
(10:46 am) Murano :lightning gave a buy signal on the 30 second chart at 33.70
(10:47 am) Qwert :at 9:39
(10:47 am) Murano :on thbe one minute lightning gave a buy signal at approx 33.80
(10:47 am) Murano :yes, 9:39
(10:48 am) Murano :9:39 on the 30 second chart
(10:49 am) Qwert :nice setup 90% success is amazing
(10:50 am) Murano :the setup has to be a fast mover with increasing volume
(10:50 am) elisha  :Thank you Murano, for taking the trouble to walk me through that.
(10:50 am) Murano :no problem, happy to help
(10:50 am) Qwert :Murano did you use this setup for BERY a couple days ago or is it to zoomed in?
(10:51 am) skydiver  :nice Murano . . will have to study this technique further . . . looks very good
(10:51 am) Murano :yes qwert
(10:52 am) Murano :this is the only technique I use on fast movers
(10:52 am) Murano :fast movers with increasing volume
(10:53 am) skydiver  :and I seem to lilke those fast movers . . . :)
(10:55 am) elisha  :murano - did you have an order in ahead of time for LGF or did you place it as it happened?
(10:57 am) Murano :I have to see the RSI crossover before I start and entry
(10:57 am) elisha  :ok - thanks
(10:58 am) JoeyTSA :thanks for that murano
(10:58 am) Qwert :Murano do you mean the 10 cross over the 14 or cross over the midline
(10:59 am) JoeyTSA :can also get "seconds" chart thru the data series tab
(10:59 am) elisha  :good question qwert
(11:00 am) Murano :the 14 over the 10
(11:01 am) Murano :you will notice you get a cleaner crossover on the one minute chart
(11:02 am) JoeyTSA :for a blind squirrel, you are pretty intricate  haha
(11:02 am) Qwert :thx so you got that signal 30 seconds before you had to make a decision
(11:02 am) Murano :also, the histogram on the MACD is moving toward the center line
(11:03 am) elisha  :i don't mean to belabor details here - but - the 10 is the smoother or the two lines?
(11:03 am) Murano :the 10 is the smoother
(11:03 am) elisha  :or=of
(11:03 am) Qwert :right so do you anticipate that crossover
(11:03 am) elisha  :thank you - i think i got it finally
(11:03 am) Qwert :on macd
(11:03 am) doji  :HEy Murano, can you send a snapshot of your screen setup please at fmattos2010@gmail.com?
(11:04 am) doji  :As far as I remember last time you said you use the MACD crossover
(11:04 am) doji  :with th4 7,14,9 configuration
(11:04 am) Murano :you will notice the MACD line cross at the same time the MACD histogram crosses the centerline
(11:05 am) Qwert :yes now will watch the next fast mover on that setup
(11:06 am) Murano :if you want to get aggressive, when the RSI crosses and the histogram is decreasing you can place the order.  This has bit me a few times.  best to wait for the MACD lines to cross.
(11:07 am) Murano :I will send you a screen shot doji
(11:07 am) doji  :Thanks Murano...
(11:07 am) doji  :Ed sends kisses for that
(11:08 am) Qwert :/CL moving
(11:08 am) doji  :SO you use both the MACD and the RSI, right Murano?
(11:12 am) Murano :yes
(11:15 am) JoeyTSA :i didnt see your /CL post qwert
(11:15 am) Qwert :no worries
(11:15 am) JoeyTSA :vodka for lunch not always the best choice :)
(11:16 am) elisha  :is anyone having problems staying connected with the room today? i've been in and out like a jack rabbit
(11:16 am) Qwert :was watching for a bounce going into pit close
(11:16 am) JoeyTSA :not today elisha
(11:17 am) Murano :sent you the e-mail doji
(11:17 am) juan3  :Now I got confused on the MACD periods.  Doji just asserted  using 7, 14, 9.  But see what Muronao wrote earlier:
(11:17 am) juan3  :10:25 am Murano : your MACD setting will be 7,14,7     your RSI setting will be 14,10
(11:19 am) Murano :juan3, each trader develops a setup he/she likes
(11:20 am) JoeyTSA :agreed murano, i have always just used the default macd 12 26 9
(11:20 am) Murano :7,14,7 and 7,14,9 will probably look alike
(11:20 am) juan3  :thank you
(11:21 am) Murano :7,14,7 is alot fast than 12,26,9 but is more prone to error.  that is why I use RSI also.
(11:21 am) JoeyTSA :but i like a smoother macd because i use it as a trend indicator more than an entry signal
(11:21 am) JoeyTSA :agreed again
(11:23 am) Murano :joey is 100% correct.  MACD and RSI are both good trend indicators.  the process I showed works well for fast movers with increasing volume
(11:24 am) JoeyTSA :and then i glance at stochastics for extreme overbought/sold signals
(11:24 am) JoeyTSA :but i dont trade black box style, so try to take things in conjunction
(11:25 am) elisha  :joey - what is "black box" style?
(11:26 am) JoeyTSA :anyone catch that breakout on SRPT
(11:26 am) JoeyTSA :"black box" means that you take every trade blindly based on certain criteria
(11:26 am) elisha  :thanks
(11:27 am) JoeyTSA :ie: you buy every stochastic cross over in oversold area
(11:27 am) JoeyTSA :but without putting it conjunction with other factors
(11:28 am) JoeyTSA :does that make sense elisha?
(11:28 am) elisha  :yes it does
(11:29 am) Murano :I am finding that RSI over 70 or below 30 is also a good indicator of oversold/overbought
(11:29 am) Murano :especially on a 3 minute chart
(11:29 am) JoeyTSA :in an extreme example, if 100 traders traded "black box" style..they would all have the exact same entry point
(11:30 am) JoeyTSA :yeah murano 70/30 or 80/20 , some traders also like then they hit those areas than cross back into neutral zone for entry
(11:33 am) JoeyTSA :elisha: BIOS chart up in trade room..black box with lightning would be buying those green arrows...but in reality, buying something in a downtrend not always the best idea
(11:35 am) elisha  :i see - i also did not cotton to the term "blindly" in conjunction with trading
(11:35 am) JoeyTSA :i dont always make myself clear, sorry
(11:36 am) elisha  :no no - you were very clear
(11:36 am) JoeyTSA :i use terms that I know, doesnt always mean others know
(11:37 am) Qwert :Thx Mitch, Ed, Joey, Murano, Disona, and to everyone Gonna take off early cya all on monday enjoy your weekend
(11:37 am) JoeyTSA :the other thing i forget is that we are all seeing different things, at different points in our trading etc
(11:37 am) elisha  :bye qwert
(11:37 am) JoeyTSA :have a great weekend Qwert, thanks
(11:37 am) skydiver  :enjoy your week-end as well qwert . . . see ya Monday
(11:39 am) Murano :see you qwert
(11:40 am) elisha  :I want to thank you all for all the generous information you have shared in this room this last year.  This is my last day in the room and I want you all to know i have learned a lot and will miss being here.  You guys/gals are a really great bunch.
(11:40 am) Murano :elisha, I have already covered 3/4 of BCRX with a stop at 7.08 on the balance
(11:40 am) JoeyTSA :sorry to see you go elisha
(11:40 am) JoeyTSA :hope it wasnt something doji said  haha
(11:40 am) elisha  :lol on that
(11:41 am) Murano :good luck elisha
(11:41 am) JoeyTSA :those pics of him in his mankini were kind of disturbing  :)
(11:42 am) skydiver  :take care elisha, been nice having you in the group.  Wish you the best as well.
(11:42 am) elisha  :thanks joey - i'm going to miss youse guys
(11:42 am) elisha  :thanks Murano
(11:42 am) elisha  :thanks sky
(11:42 am) Murano :covered last 1/4 BCRX
(11:42 am) skydiver  ::)
(11:43 am) Murano :happy to help elisha
(11:43 am) elisha  :murano you are one big bad blind squirrel
(11:43 am) Murano :haha
(11:44 am) elisha  :nice on BCRX murano
(11:47 am) Murano :big storm here, I may loose electricity

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