Chat Highlights From 09/13/2011

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[06:22 am] Brent : good morning
[06:24 am] Kris : Good Morning Traders
[06:24 am] Kris : This morning I'm watching GMCR, SO, VRUS, ULTA, ALGN, SWFT, MDVN and ISIL as possible longs
[06:25 am] Kris : ALV, ITT, LUV, SLXP, ITMN, QGEN and STD as possible shorts
[06:30 am] Kris : GMCR long
[06:31 am] Kris : CMA long half
[06:31 am] Kris : SINA long
[06:32 am] Kris : APKT long half
[06:33 am] Kris : out half CMA long
[06:33 am] Kris : out half SINA long
[06:34 am] Kris : out half APKT long
[06:34 am] Kris : out half GMCR long
[06:35 am] Kris : JVA long half
[06:36 am] Kris : out another 1/4 JVA long
[06:36 am] Kris : out half JVA long
[06:36 am] Kris : SNDK long half
[06:37 am] Kris : NTAP long half
[06:37 am] Kris : out another 1/4 GMCR long
[06:38 am] Brent : watching SVM for a bounce
[06:38 am] Kris : see if SPY can find some support here
[06:40 am] Kris : long second half SNDK
[06:42 am] Kris : GMCR trying to push to new hod[06:42 am] Kris : long second half NTAP
[06:43 am] Kris : getting a little buying coming in here. nothing too impressive yet.
[06:45 am] Kris : SWI short half
[06:46 am] Kris : now we're getting some buyers
[06:46 am] Kris : yes, stop is at 39.84 SNDK
[06:47 am] Brent : consider reducing SVM
[06:47 am] Kris : EXPE long half
[06:48 am] Kris : CMI long half
[06:49 am] Kris :: FFIV long half
[06:49 am] Kris : SPY coming up to test hod resistance
[06:50 am] Kris :: FNSR long half
[06:51 am] Kris :: see if we can get a push to new highs
[06:51 am] Kris : SPY at hod[06:52 am] Kris : : LMT long half
[06:54 am] Kris :: GWW long half
[06:54 am] Kris : SPY pulling back from new hod, still seeing some buyers here
[06:55 am] Kris : I'll take some off SNDK at 40.56, then see if we can get a push to new hod.
[06:55 am] Kris : out half FNSR long
[06:55 am] Kris: SPY new hod[06:57 am] Kris COF long half
[06:58 am] Kris : Kris : out half EXPE long
[06:58 am] Kris : out half GWW long
[07:00 am] Kris : not moving up like I wanted it to
[07:00 am] Kris : out half SNDK long
[07:00 am] Kris : SPY resistance around 118
[07:03 am] Kris : BBY short half
[07:05 am] Kris : ARUN long half
[07:06 am] Kris : starting to look for a long in TZA soon
[07:06 am] Kris : will start to watch for a pullback before taking any more longs here.
[07:07 am] Kris : FFIV consolidating, looking for a new hod breakout
[07:07 am] Kris : SPY getting closer to 118 resistance
[07:08 am] Kris : out all EXPE long
[07:08 am] Kris : out another 1/4 GWW long
[07:08 am] Kris : out another 1/4 SNDK long
[07:09 am] Kris : watching COF here
[07:10 am] Kris : looking for new low in BBY
[07:11 am] Kris : gonna start looking to get tighter on my remaining longs
[07:11 am] Kris : out all SNDK
[07:11 am] Kris : watching TZA, getting closer
[07:12 am] Kris ; will watch CLNE for some consolidation and then a possible long in about 10 to 15 minutes
[07:14 am] Kris : TZA long half
[07:15 am] Kris : GG short half
[07:16 am] Kris : getting more green coming across the board, watch that trendline resistance.
[07:16 am] Kris : LNKD long
[07:17 am] Kris : buyers are not backing down yet
[07:18 am] Kris : out half TZA, reducing here
[07:19 am] Kris : looking for new hod in LNKD
[07:19 am] Kris : out half LNKD long
[07:19 am] Kris : yes, I'm still long ARUN
[07:20 am] Kris : GO GO GO LNKD
[07:20 am] Kris : LNKD gave me traderbumps[07:21 am] Kris : BBY breaking new lod[07:21 am] Kris : look to get a little tighter on it at least
[07:21 am] Kris : SPY starting to come into support here. reduce or close TZA long
[07:22 am] Kris : CVLT long half
[07:22 am] Kris : GG new lod[07:23 am] Kris : FSLR long half
[07:24 am] Kris : MAN long half
[07:25 am] Kris : see if we can retest hod on SPY
[07:25 am] Kris : SPY trying to bounce
[07:26 am] Brent : good eye on MPC Candelas, nice bounce off support
[07:26 am] Kris : long second half ARUN
[07:28 am] Kris : CREE long half
[07:29 am] Kris : PANL long
[07:30 am] Kris : out half GG short
[07:31 am] Kris : out half CVLT long
[07:34 am] Kris : ATHN long half
[07:39 am] Brent : SVM tanking
[07:45 am] Kris : FSLR pushing hod[07:45 am] Kris : SPY trying to put in a bottom here, watch overhead trendline resistance
[07:49 am] Kris : PANL breaking out again
[07:52 am] Kris : SPY just failed that trendline resistance
[08:21 am] Kris : I don't see much in PNC here
[08:22 am] Brent : SPY testing trendline support
[08:37 am] Brent : ACOM late to see
[08:38 am] Brent : SPY testing resistance here
[09:00 am] Brent : We'll also show you how to find them with scanners, and how to manage the trade in each strategy, etc[09:00 am] Brent : yes garyb. The three strategies Kris and I are teaching are the ones we use everyday
[10:10 am] Brent : UAL at hod[10:47 am] Brent : SPY looking to test hod[10:47 am] Brent : welcome to the room Rawdawg[11:23 am] Kris : TNA could be a good trade to the long side for a breakout
[11:23 am] Kris : watch the SPY for a breakout long here
[11:32 am] Kris : careful trying to long TZA here, you have some strong overhead resistance
[11:32 am] Kris : you got it doji[11:53 am] Brent : have a good night rawdawg[11:54 am] Brent : we will say "watching" or "alert" if we are entering right away
[11:55 am] Brent : I mean aren't entering
[12:11 pm] Brent : GNK alert
[12:12 pm] Brent : resistance at 9.60 area on GNK
[12:19 pm] Kris : I have to head out a little early today. Great job today everyone.
[12:19 pm] Kris : see you all tomorrow morning.
[12:22 pm] Brent : consider reducing GNK if you found shares to short.
[12:22 pm] Brent : next target is 9.20 area on GNK
[12:25 pm] Brent : did anyone get any shares on GNK? next target $9.02 area
[12:26 pm] Brent : lol, I knew it
[01:00 pm] Brent : Have a great night everyone. Good job today, see you in the morning

[07:47 am] mikewd2 -: 0.60 on TNA, 30 on TZA - my computer hung up on one of them [07:47 am] mikewd2 -: 0.30 on TZA
[07:48 am] garyb : good going mike...good for me...caught the big move on TNA
[07:49 am] mhaus : PANL
[07:49 am] anthonyb : enjoy the rest of your day everybody. See you all tomorrow [07:49 am] Brent : take care anthonyb[07:53 am] swingtrader : nice call Mike
[07:53 am] swingtrader : Mike here your SWI turning over
[07:53 am] mikewd2 -: didn't get in
[07:53 am] doji : SPY at support at 117
[07:54 am] swingtrader : who amde the call on SWI ?
[07:56 am] mikewd2 -: i liked it, but didn't get in
[07:56 am] lightning : had stepped away, yes I took SWI for the ride down.
[07:56 am] mikewd2 -: i thought it might make it down to 22.2
[07:58 am] swingtrader : i killed it with a basuca to make sure it dies lol
[08:00 am] swingtrader : good Job Lightning ..
[08:05 am] storage : Kris is like the triangle you showed us on spy 8/12
[08:08 am] stevemld : PANL nice trade Kris
[08:10 am] swingtrader : watch PNC
[08:12 am] storage : thanks for panl[08:15 am] swingtrader : PNC long 49.10
[08:16 am] swingtrader : stp 48.96
[08:18 am] sonorant : Kris, is PNC tradeable?
[08:19 am] swingtrader : is trading at 48.90 didn't work
[08:20 am] doji : SPY is in a downtrend channel sine 10:15 this morning
[08:20 am] goodtimes : i took it short at 49.05
[08:22 am] sonorant : Thanks Kris
[08:23 am] rusty : BBY radar
[08:25 am] doji : SPY at trendline support
[08:26 am] doji : SPY broke trendline[08:29 am] ronfrac : TNA may be bottoming
[08:29 am] ronfrac : tgt breaking out
[08:30 am] qwert : Brent- can you show how to adjust the thickness of your trendline on esignal.
[08:30 am] Brent : sure
[08:30 am] Brent : man Alfred Little had quite an impact on SVM. Same as with PUDA
[08:31 am] qwert : awesome thanks
[08:31 am] Brent : then select Edit
[08:31 am] Brent : right click on the trendline[08:31 am] Brent : cool
[08:33 am] swingtrader : what trade on SWI wow
[08:33 am] qwert : i just figured that part out thanks again
[08:33 am] Brent : you can click on "defaults" in the edit window like I just did, so you don't have to change the thickness every time
[08:35 am] sonorant : Is SVM really turning?
[08:37 am] ronfrac : TNA breaking above downtrend line `1 min
[08:38 am] rusty : Muddy Waters claims he is also short SVM
[08:38 am] ronfrac : also 2 min
[08:39 am] ronfrac : RUT breaking above 15 min downtrends line
[08:40 am] ronfrac : TYNA at resistance
[08:41 am] garyb : come on...in the words of the "doors"...break on through to the other side!
[08:43 am] ronfrac : TNA 30 min Day above day downtrend line
[08:43 am] doji : Is anyone still in ARUN Long?
[08:46 am] mhaus : Microsoft Mouse Without Borders for PC: http://blogs.technet.com/b/next/archive/2011/ 09/09/microsoft-garage-download-mouse-without -borders.aspx
[08:46 am] mhaus : Control multiple desktops without any extra hardware
[08:52 am] rusty : ofc MSFT introduces that after multiple other companies have it
[08:54 am] candelas : watching ACOM
[08:55 am] swingtrader : ACOM long or short
[08:55 am] garyb : Hey Kris & Brent.....I'm looking forward to your seminars! Do you use the technique that you will teach on a daily basis?
[08:57 am] mhaus : I want to try this over VPN and see if I can control the computers connected over VPN too.
[08:57 am] candelas : it's been a short, but watching for potential long
[08:57 am] candelas : advanced trade
[08:58 am] sonorant : Yes -- 10 share trade :-)
[08:59 am] rusty : I've been using this one for a while works pretty well http://synergy-foss.org/
[08:59 am] ronfrac : higher hi on TNA
[09:00 am] mhaus : Rusty, does it work over VPN?
[09:00 am] garyb : That's great!
[09:01 am] qwert : -1200 on ticks
[09:01 am] garyb : I look forward to that Brent!
[09:01 am] dan : if we miss one of them, what should we do? Brent
[09:02 am] rusty : mhaus, i haven't tried over VPN but supposedly does
[09:02 am] Brent : they will be available to view for anyone that signed up for a minimum of 90 days after the live event
[09:03 am] sonorant : candles, are you ACOM long now?
[09:03 am] doji : Stopper ARUN....looser!
[09:05 am] dan : are there still seats left Brent?
[09:06 am] dan : yes Brent
[09:06 am] Brent : yes dan, you need the link?
[09:08 am] Brent : you can click on the bottom to register
[09:08 am] Brent : http://www.tradestocksamerica.com/webinar.php
[09:14 am] ronfrac : Go TNA
[09:14 am] mikewd2 -: asking for 41.2
[09:14 am] candelas : i am from 27.09
[09:15 am] mikewd2 -: push
[09:15 am] mhaus : ATHN
[09:16 am] sonorant : first or second time it hit 27.09?
[09:17 am] mhaus : 8 of 8 positive. Done for the day. SIM mode from here.
[09:17 am] candelas : added both times
[09:18 am] doji : What were your trades mhaus?
[09:19 am] qwert : candles did you have your stop below 26.60
[09:19 am] mhaus : SNDK, TZA, NTAP, EXPE, TNA, MOS and MON
[09:19 am] candelas : out 3/4 acom .81
[09:20 am] mhaus : TNA 2 trades
[09:20 am] candelas : 26.83
[09:22 am] pow : KRIS, all out of TH
[09:22 am] pow : ATHN
[09:23 am] mhaus : EZCH short?
[09:24 am] sonorant : wow, generous stop. I got stopped out the first time, and didn't get in as low as you did the second. But I did make $$.
[09:24 am] candelas : just .08 below the lod[09:25 am] mikewd2 -: s 35.1
[09:26 am] rusty : PANL hod radar
[09:27 am] lightning : I've got to go for the day. Visitors coming in later, so need to get ready. Great half-day. Hope the last half is great for all.
[09:30 am] mikewd2 -: small profit on EZCH, got stopped
[09:30 am] doji : What a good mistake!
[09:30 am] doji : I played TZA from 45.95 to 46.39 without knowing that I placed twice the size I usually trade!....
[09:31 am] swingtrader : Candelas question how is that Proptrading works ..
[09:31 am] ronfrac : Re TNA 15 min SRTOV just crossed up and 30 min on brink
[09:31 am] joeytsa : if it was a REAL mistake, you would have had 5 times the amount haha[09:32 am] mhaus : He needs to pass the Series 56 exam to continue as a prop trader
[09:32 am] apple : swing, candelas left the room for a while
[09:33 am] swingtrader : oh .. 56 is a security exam ..oh
[09:34 am] swingtrader : just wondering what is the different between having A prop account Vs a regular account
[09:34 am] mhaus : yes, new rule went into effect Sept1
[09:35 am] swingtrader : wow they are regulated too.. oh my ..
[09:35 am] mhaus : the commissions are far less, the firm takes a cut and your margin limit is HUGE
[09:35 am] mhaus : Prop account, you are considered as a professional trader
[09:36 am] doji : My last trade was ARUN but when I placed my order for TZA I forgot to change the number of shares as I was putting all my attention to the stochastics[09:37 am] doji : If you keep the total trade value, your order for TZA shoubd be at least half of your order of ARUN
[09:38 am] swingtrader : takes a cut from the trades ..oh boy .. not bad just curious jut to put 100k they will give you how much in buying power
[09:38 am] mhaus : Day Ttade margins is usually 20:1 and swing is 4:1 to 8:1, depending on your track record.
[09:38 am] doji : That is what happened... will be more careful now
[09:39 am] swingtrader : well i meant the leverage to ratio
[09:39 am] swingtrader : 20 to one wow is like trading forex ..
[09:39 am] mhaus : Swing, another rule you need to be aware about - You cannot withdraw your capital for a year weather you trade or not
[09:40 am] swingtrader : if my math is correct they will give you 2mm to trade
[09:40 am] mhaus : you can withdraw profits only
[09:41 am] swingtrader : profit only hmmm .. so is better to put little money like 10k forget it ..then thank you mahaus helping me analyze it
[09:41 am] mhaus : with a 20:1 margin, you can wipe out 100K veeeery soooon[09:42 am] sonorant : Sounds like you have to be really solid to attempt that.
[09:42 am] mhaus : Also, you have to think about your data fees. The data fees for professional traders usually is $250 per month
[09:43 am] swingtrader : no way ..trade station is free ..mhaus you were going to tell me a story about trade station if i remember
[09:44 am] mhaus : I just got my trade station account funded. It was a long process. They send you paperwork by snail mail
[09:45 am] swingtrader : mail ..did you deal with Bryant by any chance
[09:45 am] mhaus : I got the platform and radar screen for free for the life of the account.
[09:45 am] mhaus : Also, in trade station, data fees apply
[09:46 am] swingtrader : small i pay 20 dollar a month
[09:46 am] mhaus : no, John Nabb[09:47 am] mhaus : I have a one-to-one training this Friday. One session free.
[09:47 am] dm : hello, this was recommended by a friend of mine in case you all r interested in a longer term WPRT
[09:49 am] swingtrader : you can write your own strategy
[09:49 am] swingtrader : yes wow you are going to be flying big guy that is a nice one
[09:49 am] mikewd2 -: come on TNA give me 41.20
[09:49 am] mhaus : I am doing that with Ninja trader 7, but looks like TS is easier
[09:49 am] mhaus : after that I will start attending their seminars. I also took it for their easy language programing
[09:49 am] joeytsa : msn headline: TSA agents busted...what the heck did you do no Kris and Brent hahaha[09:53 am] sonorant : mhaus, I am confused -- you are switching to Trade Station -- and what platform have you been using?
[09:55 am] monster : you guys have any teaching video on your trade in term of setup
[09:55 am] doji : TZA
[09:56 am] rusty : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc62XPWl5zk AZO
[09:57 am] terry : check the news for pzg .should be a good swing
[09:57 am] doji : PANL
[10:02 am] mhaus : ATHN
[10:05 am] topdogrex : anyone short in PANL
[10:06 am] sonorant : I shorted PANL and got out -- my 10 share practice strategy
[10:06 am] candelas : nice call Panl, could not get price
[10:07 am] sonorant : so mhaus -- the thinking on ATHN is long because it broke through resistance??
[10:07 am] doji : Do you actually trade only 10 shares sonorant?
[10:08 am] sonorant : Doji, I am on sim, and was trading 100 shares on the tricky trades. Mitch yelled at me for not being more careful, even though I was just sim. So I said I wanted to practice, but would just do 10 shares on the trades that look harder.
[10:08 am] mhaus : it was. Also, looking for short
[10:11 am] doji : The one side on SIM I don't like is that you always get filled but it is a must-do if you want to be consistent with your trades
[10:12 am] sonorant : Doji, on ninja trader sim you do not always get filled. Many times I miss a trade.
[10:18 am] rusty : RIMM article in Forbes just out - $41 target
[10:18 am] rusty : 43 target
[10:21 am] sonorant : RIMM hasn't been that high since May
[10:21 am] rusty : PNSN new lows
[10:23 am] sonorant : Brent, what was the thinking on UAL? To go long since it was on an uptrend? To go short since it had been going up for quite a while?
[10:23 am] rusty : whole airline sector strong today
[10:23 am] rusty : from oversold level
[10:24 am] rusty : WLT http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/d435ce18-dd4f-11 e0-9dac-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i _location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2 F0%2Fd435ce18-dd4f-11e0-9dac-00144feabdc0.htm l&_i_referer=
[10:24 am] mikewd2 -: WLT really bouncing
[10:24 am] Brent : I was thinking long side on that sonorant, but I didn't trade it
[10:25 am] sonorant : Now it looks like a short. So why didn't you go in?
[10:25 am] sonorant : I traded it long very briefly, and got out.
[10:26 am] terry : pzg going nuts
[10:26 am] Brent : I'm very picky this time of day sonorant. I usually only trade something if news related or a fast mover with lots of volume when things slow down
[10:27 am] mhaus : Brent, what do you use for scanning and what are the parameters you scan for?
[10:27 am] joeytsa : waiting for that fastball
[10:27 am] candelas : da discipline of Brent
[10:27 am] Brent : I'm very content just scanning and waiting.
[10:28 am] swingtrader : Brent would yu short UA
[10:28 am] Brent : High and inside Joeytsa[10:28 am] Brent : don't like it as a short here swingtrader[10:28 am] apple : B is a very wise man, indeed
[10:29 am] Brent : Itrader[10:29 am] Brent : I mean
[10:30 am] sonorant : Okay, Brent, so why not a short on WLT?
[10:30 am] mikewd2 -: WLT L
[10:31 am] sonorant : Okay, so mike, why long?
[10:31 am] mikewd2 -: liking those long tails on the bottom
[10:32 am] swingtrader : what about I I like to trade .com
[10:32 am] mikewd2 -: and because i went long at 85.25
[10:32 am] mhaus : Brent, what platform you use for scanning? I don't think Ninja Trader has a scanner capability.
[10:33 am] mikewd2 -: Brent any thoughts on WLT
[10:34 am] swingtrader : I love to buy some gold in Brazil
[10:34 am] swingtrader : Brazial 18g gold
[10:35 am] mikewd2 -: looking for 85.85
[10:35 am] Brent : I'm watching it mikewd2, but no thoughts on it right now. if you're long first resistance is here,
[10:37 am] sonorant : I was looking for just under that, but it didn't take it and then I got stopped out on the way down.
[10:38 am] swingtrader : Brent how you SVM as a short here
[10:38 am] sonorant : Oh, and down we go. Mike you are trading real $, aren't you?
[10:38 am] mikewd2 -: yes real $$
[10:38 am] mikewd2 -: i hit, it went to 85.98?
[10:39 am] observer : GLD hod[10:39 am] mikewd2 -: i had a sell at 85.85, did you have a stop in?
[10:39 am] Brent : don't care for it Itacher, it's not moving.
[10:39 am] Brent : did you fill mikewd?
[10:40 am] sonorant : It went right by my target a couple of times and stopped out above my entry price -- this is ninja sim[10:40 am] mikewd2 -: played WLT four times yesterday
[10:40 am] mikewd2 -: looking to go in again
[10:40 am] mikewd2 -: yes, went in just below the 1:19pm bounce
[10:41 am] candelas : nice breakout from 1.5 consolidation
[10:41 am] candelas : 1.5 hour that is SINA
[10:41 am] sonorant : It is dicey.
[10:41 am] ronfrac : TGT new high
[10:41 am] mikewd2 -: hope you guys go over placing buy trades, i just missed WLT at 84.8 - not sure how to do it without chasing
[10:41 am] mhaus : SINA
[10:41 am] candelas : too late now
[10:42 am] sonorant : What do you mean candelas?
[10:42 am] candelas : sina had been consolidating in a tight price range
[10:42 am] candelas : i took trade but too late to post
[10:42 am] Brent : it didn't hit 84.80 mikewd[10:43 am] sonorant : So when it broke out you went long?
[10:43 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, waiting for webinar
[10:43 am] mikewd2 -: right, so should have i placed bid plus a couple cents, i did minus a couple cents
[10:43 am] candelas : yes
[10:43 am] candelas : from about 12 est to 130 est[10:43 am] Brent : ok, still with Etrade mike?
[10:44 am] sonorant : Did you have it on a screen watching, or have an alarm set?
[10:44 am] candelas : i was very skeptical so held close to vest bcuz of lack of vol.
[10:44 am] Brent : we will be going over some platforms, entering orders, custom orders, etc[10:44 am] Brent : ok, lol sorry that wasn't a jab.
[10:45 am] sonorant : C., then there was a volume spide at ~10:39
[10:45 am] rd : speaking of Etrade, you all will laugh. http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6477219/rem ix-e-trade-baby-loses-everything
[10:45 am] mikewd2 -: thanks Brent, i tend to miss by a penny or two alot - especially on sells.
[10:45 am] mhaus : Brent, you will be going over scanners and scanning strategies too?
[10:45 am] candelas : i had been watching it, while scanning
[10:45 am] Brent : yes mhaus. Scanners, settings. We have a 3 hour webinar just dedicated to scanning
[10:46 am] sonorant : hey rawdawg[10:46 am] sonorant : are you new?
[10:46 am] rawdawg6914 : how are you guys?
[10:46 am] rawdawg6914 : hey all
[10:46 am] Brent : we use different scanning methods to find setups for each strategy. We will teach them all
[10:47 am] sonorant : welcome
[10:47 am] rawdawg6914 : yep, never been in here before
[10:47 am] rawdawg6914 : thanks brent[10:47 am] rawdawg6914 : thanks
[10:47 am] mikewd2 -: sorry rd[10:47 am] mikewd2 -: like that one rusty
[10:47 am] lisas : Hi rawdawg6914
[10:47 am] doji : SPY spiking
[10:47 am] candelas : welcome Rawdawg[10:48 am] rusty : RIMM + IBM Rumors (fwiw)
[10:48 am] rawdawg6914 : any validity to the rimm +ibm?
[10:48 am] mhaus : TNA moving
[10:48 am] mhaus : Thanks. I have Trade Ideas, but options are limited.
[10:49 am] rusty : I wouldn't give it much cred
[10:50 am] sonorant : Candles, back on the ACOM trade, were you on a 1 minute chart? And how did you know to put in that first order at 27.09? I understand why you put in the second one.
[10:50 am] rusty : seems like RIMMer's get restless so pushing all possibilities
[10:50 am] rawdawg6914 : yea, it jumped .22 in the last few secs[10:50 am] doji : TZA getting ready
[10:50 am] doji : if SPY doesn't break resistance at 118
[10:51 am] ronfrac : Mitch: What do you make of the RUT in here?
[10:51 am] rawdawg6914 : tza gonna flip over if spy doesn't break?
[10:52 am] rawdawg6914 : I'm kind of new to trading, never even talked to any other traders before to be honest
[10:52 am] rawdawg6914 : and it did, wow your good
[10:52 am] doji : yeap[10:52 am] doji : I'll wait longer in TZA
[10:53 am] mikewd2 -: I'm a bit scared to move into TZa[10:53 am] garyb : yeh doji......market is strong today
[10:54 am] garyb : I hear you mike...made some nice gains this morning on TNA...switched to TZA and it took a chuck out
[10:54 am] garyb : back to TNA now
[10:55 am] rawdawg6914 : tza does look like it has a double bottom tho, i may be retarded tho[10:55 am] rawdawg6914 : HAHA
[10:55 am] mikewd2 -: TNA twice, TZA, WLT and HAL all wins
[10:55 am] mikewd2 -: I'm the charlie sheen of TSA
[10:55 am] garyb : lol!
[10:55 am] garyb : awesome Mike! looks like you are "winning!"
[10:55 am] doji : Watch out SPY
[10:55 am] Brent : nice job mikewd[10:56 am] swingtrader : double top
[10:56 am] mikewd2 -: thanks Brent, u guys have taught us well
[10:59 am] candelas : go sina[11:00 am] sonorant : yes, sina is bookin'
[11:01 am] candelas : out 3/4 sina .71
[11:02 am] sonorant : good work
[11:02 am] candelas : trailing last 1/4
[11:04 am] Kris : well done candelas
[11:04 am] candelas : thx Kris 2
[11:04 am] candelas : lol, thx
[11:04 am] Brent : nice Candelas, a little more than $1.5 an hour
[11:05 am] sonorant : C., why did you decide to exit at 113.71?
[11:05 am] candelas : just needed to take some off table and it was stalling
[11:06 am] sonorant : You held on a long time!
[11:06 am] sonorant : right, very funny
[11:06 am] sonorant : Candles, I asked you a question about the ACOM trade when you were still in the thick of the SINA trade...
[11:06 am] mikewd2 -: lol[11:06 am] candelas : ur 2 funny
[11:06 am] Brent : because 113.72 would have taken him into the next tax bracket sonorant
[11:06 am] candelas : stopped last 1/4 113.62
[11:07 am] sonorant : can I re ask it now?
[11:07 am] candelas : sure
[11:07 am] candelas : never saw it
[11:09 am] sonorant : I understand how you knew to take the second helping of 27.09 (though it took nerves of steel), but how did you know to take the first installment of 27.09. It was really pretty much in full downhill tilt at that point. There was some volume at ~ 8:58 my time, but by the time that bar would have shown up, the price was up to 27.20
[11:09 am] joeytsa : haven't seen vans in a while, is he still with us?
[11:10 am] swingtrader : brent I like when you draw the trend lines in the charts
[11:10 am] sonorant : Scaling in? But that implies you figured we were at a bottom
[11:10 am] candelas : just by scaling in
[11:11 am] candelas : it's never exact, but selling had subsided as well
[11:12 am] sonorant : I know there was support a little lower down on the daily..
[11:12 am] candelas : yes, price placed ahead of trade never got filled 26.63 and 26.67
[11:13 am] swingtrader : get ready for those short may be long TZA here ..
[11:13 am] sonorant : right, that is the area I was talking about.
[11:14 am] candelas : that's why Brent and Kris always talk about being flexible
[11:14 am] candelas : if it were exact it would be so easy and everyone would be doing it
[11:15 am] sonorant : yes, it turned before then, and you knew it was coming up soon, but it still could have been a blip like the one at 8:36 - 8:44
[11:15 am] candelas : so u have to key in on price,vol and how it is reacting around those levels
[11:16 am] sonorant : so there is a whole gestalt you are grokking? (I can't believe I used that word.)
[11:16 am] candelas : those support/resistance levels
[11:17 am] sonorant : were you on a 1 minute chart?
[11:17 am] sonorant : No, grokking, not gestalt ;-)
[11:17 am] candelas : wow sonorant is edumucated[11:17 am] candelas : I'm using my Krisarus[11:18 am] sonorant : I can't even remember the novel it came from.
[11:18 am] sonorant : Grokking shows my age, not my education.
[11:18 am] candelas : lol[11:19 am] candelas : yes I was using 1min
[11:19 am] candelas : and glancing at 3min
[11:20 am] Kris : discipline and patience
[11:21 am] sonorant : Okay, many thanks candels, I am going to go back and stare at the 1 and 3 minute charts again.
[11:21 am] rusty : Bove upgrading CMA
[11:21 am] candelas : a lot of the chart study helps as well Sonorant
[11:22 am] garyb : I use that too...more longer range
[11:22 am] garyb : candelas...no 5 miin?
[11:22 am] candelas : so I trade off 1min, and glance at 3min and daily
[11:23 am] garyb : thanks Kris...was almost ready to sell it..I have been holding it for a few hours
[11:23 am] candelas : no 5min for me
[11:24 am] swingtrader : good one kris[11:24 am] sonorant : what are you trading gary?
[11:24 am] Kris : very nice gary, try to be patient just a little bit more. you have the momentum behind you on this test.
[11:25 am] observer : spy
[11:25 am] mikewd2 -: SLB breaking to the upside
[11:25 am] Kris : there she goes
[11:25 am] garyb : maybe my wife can have one too!
[11:25 am] garyb : excellent! thank you! That's will be a nice steak dinner tonight
[11:26 am] rawdawg6914 : what should i be buying or shorting right now. im confused
[11:26 am] rawdawg6914 : afternoon
[11:26 am] lisas : rawdaw, were you here this morning, or join this afternoon?
[11:26 am] lisas : Most trade ideas are in first 90 min.
[11:26 am] Kris : TNA was a possible breakout long
[11:27 am] sonorant : otherwise they are the riff raff, of few of whom know a great deal!
[11:27 am] rawdawg6914 : thanks kris[11:27 am] rawdawg6914 : ok, sounds good
[11:27 am] rawdawg6914 : oh ok
[11:27 am] lisas : of open, but some come in afternoon, like the TNA.
[11:27 am] lisas : if comments are in blue, they are TSA staff
[11:27 am] Kris : Welcome to the room rawdawg6914
[11:27 am] Kris : garyb was holding it from earlier so I told him to hold it a little bit longer.
[11:28 am] lisas : If you are new, make sure you get the DVD's, and then there is a webinar coming up
[11:28 am] Kris : then we get a few news related movers and lately we've been able to day trade TZA/TNA pretty proficiently with this volatility we've been having late in the day.
[11:28 am] Kris : like lisas said, most of the ideas come in the chat box above the first 2 hours of the market
[11:29 am] rawdawg6914 : I've been trading now for about 4 weeks, I've only made about 6% in that time tho, including losses
[11:29 am] rawdawg6914 : i got them sent to me but they haven't come yet, I'm in canada tho so that may be a problem
[11:29 am] mikewd2 -: up 0.65
[11:29 am] mikewd2 -: got out SLB a bit too early maybe
[11:29 am] mhaus : Also, check the documents on the bottom right
[11:29 am] Kris : Might consider virtual trading for a few days to get the hang of the ideas and strategies posted in the room.
[11:30 am] rawdawg6914 : not when i only started with 1500$ lol[11:30 am] mikewd2 -: nice work garyb[11:30 am] mikewd2 -: got to start somewhere
[11:30 am] mikewd2 -: 6% of your account? wow, that is good
[11:30 am] Kris : ok garyb, start looking to take some off your TNA long
[11:30 am] garyb : okay Kris...thanks!
[11:30 am] doji : Wow.. that is really good
[11:31 am] swingtrader : spy bull trap idea..lol[11:31 am] swingtrader : dogi[11:31 am] sonorant : wow, excellent. Just that you aren't losing is really impressive.
[11:31 am] rawdawg6914 : true, i really like it so far
[11:31 am] rawdawg6914 : I've been consistently making 2% per day but i lost 1100$ yesterday, so that messed up my average
[11:31 am] mikewd2 -: WLT L 85.25 again!
[11:31 am] mhaus : They are good!
[11:31 am] mhaus : Rawdawg, you will learn to make 1% a day thru the DVDs
[11:31 am] Kris : if youre BE or better your first four weeks that is very promising.
[11:31 am] joeytsa : keep at it, it will grow
[11:31 am] doji : Tell me Swingy
[11:31 am] candelas : nice call Kris
[11:31 am] doji : SPY up at 1.25%.... same as yesterday, unbelievable
[11:32 am] mhaus : Losses are a part of our business. We just have to learn to keep it at the minimum and be in green at the end of the day, every day.
[11:32 am] doji : Just watching Kris, thanks
[11:32 am] doji : I am watching TZA
[11:32 am] candelas : made it through on 3rd attempt
[11:33 am] rawdawg6914 : yea that's true. I've been trying to take that loss as a grain of salt but it still really upset me cause it was a stupid mistake, i left a position open on a penny stock by mistake and went to the store, came back, down like 40%
[11:33 am] doji : whata difference!
[11:33 am] doji : so far 90% of my trades on TZa and TNA just watching the indicators have been winners
[11:33 am] doji : and looking price vs indicators and how they move
[11:34 am] rawdawg6914 : it was for candy, and yes it was haha[11:34 am] mhaus : Learn from it and move on. Don't harp on it or you will lose seeing some good trades.
[11:34 am] Kris : well done garyb[11:34 am] Kris : that was an expensive loaf of bread
[11:34 am] garyb : I'm OUT kris...I mean from TNA...thanks....make a great profit....2 bucks
[11:34 am] doji : Swingy, what was that you said before?
[11:34 am] candelas : nice Garyb[11:35 am] sonorant : wow, but what a great lesson -- or you may feel that way down the road
[11:35 am] rawdawg6914 : will do mhaus[11:35 am] rawdawg6914 : the stock, not the box lol[11:35 am] rawdawg6914 : lowest I'll go is 6$ now i think
[11:35 am] rawdawg6914 : I've been playing with tivo a lot lately
[11:35 am] rawdawg6914 : I'm never doing them again
[11:35 am] mhaus : No stocks under $5
[11:35 am] mhaus : I don't do penny stocks
[11:35 am] Kris : That's a good number rawdawg[11:35 am] Kris : also keep an eye on volume
[11:35 am] garyb : I guess I can buy my wife the streak too! lol[11:35 am] doji : TNA and TZA will get married and have TSA babies?
[11:36 am] rawdawg6914 : yea, I've been reading a lot of books and they outlined a few indicators
[11:36 am] rawdawg6914 : i got 2% on it today, so i was happy with that
[11:36 am] rawdawg6914 : also i don't want to get into something that doesn't consistently do 2m per day
[11:36 am] Kris : volume is key
[11:36 am] joeytsa : i don't have much luck with low priced stocks
[11:37 am] rawdawg6914 : haha[11:37 am] mhaus : Doji, I like doing pairs. In fact, being bisexual doubles your chances of a date :-D
[11:37 am] joeytsa : just through years of keeping notes, my worst trades are the under $20 trades
[11:37 am] apple : lol[11:37 am] apple : agree joey
[11:37 am] rawdawg6914 : i like the 10-15$ range, cause then i can deal with 100 shares at a time
[11:38 am] sonorant : That is really interesting joey.
[11:38 am] sonorant : doji, I am really impressed. I think TNA TZA can be kind of tricky to trade. Which indicators are you watching?
[11:38 am] mhaus : TNA/TZA gave my account a 5% boost today.
[11:38 am] joeytsa : good job gary
[11:38 am] garyb : thanks joey! It's like a great day at the races!
[11:38 am] garyb : nice
[11:38 am] garyb : i killed on TNA/TZA today
[11:38 am] doji : No comprende mhaus? Is that a joke?
[11:38 am] storage : thanks Kris long tna 41.57 out 42.07
[11:39 am] mhaus : that's why the :-D
[11:39 am] mhaus : of course doji[11:39 am] mhaus : ":-D" a big laugh
[11:39 am] joeytsa : you notice things if you journal and then study the journal
[11:39 am] joeytsa : that's why i still keep a trading journal
[11:39 am] doji : TZA
[11:39 am] doji : I watch stochastics on 2min sonorant
[11:40 am] swingtrader : I think A european Lehman is up on us
[11:40 am] sonorant : doji, what are your stochastics settings?
[11:40 am] mhaus : just feeling good today because of the boost
[11:40 am] joeytsa : stuff like your best/worst price range, best/worst times of day, day of week etc[11:40 am] candelas : seeing if can get some vol. GIII
[11:40 am] garyb : me too..I use 1,2,3 & 5 min chart
[11:40 am] doji : same as Kris from the seminar 10, 6, 4
[11:41 am] sonorant : and a 2 minute chart?
[11:42 am] sonorant : Thanks doji, will try it manyana[11:42 am] mhaus : watching FSLR
[11:42 am] doji : Yes for confirmation but have my trade entry on 1min chart
[11:43 am] sonorant : The stochastics Mitch was using the day he showed us were different -- 7-14-3
[11:44 am] doji : I use what Kris used on the seminar in Sin City
[11:45 am] Kris : Sin City Baby!
[11:45 am] joeytsa : when are you coming back?
[11:45 am] joeytsa : chart in the window has a 7,6,4
[11:46 am] mikewd2 -: trying a short on SINA
[11:46 am] mhaus : Kris/Brent, that's what I want to understand, When to change the Stochastlc settings. Will you touch that in the seminars?
[11:47 am] Kris : yes, we're going to give you some updated indicators
[11:47 am] Kris : used in all of our strategies
[11:47 am] Kris : along with a new one
[11:47 am] garyb : great! I keep trying new ones
[11:47 am] apple : sounds good to me
[11:47 am] mikewd2 -: SINA s 113.5
[11:48 am] mhaus : is the schedule and the topics published?
[11:48 am] Kris : indicators should only be used to supplement your understanding of price action
[11:48 am] doji : Missed TZA here, very clear on the stochastics although the overhead resistance
[11:48 am] doji : Entry sign at 14:32PM ET
[11:49 am] swingtrader : TZA guys Kris you like TZA here
[11:49 am] qwert : candles are you in giii[11:49 am] mhaus : Got it. Thanks
[11:49 am] Kris : you have to trade the percentages
[11:49 am] Kris : no, I do not like TZA here, running into strong resistance from prior highs/lows plus the down trendline. not worth the risk for me this late in the day
[11:49 am] Kris : lol[11:49 am] doji : no Itcaher too late
[11:49 am] doji : aggg missed TZA
[11:49 am] candelas : no I wanted more selling and more vol[11:49 am] Brent : underneath the webinar names i[11:49 am] Brent : there is a link "click here for complete schedule"
[11:49 am] Brent : http://www.tradestocksamerica.com/webinar.php
[11:49 am] Brent : here mhaus[11:50 am] qwert : same here on giii[11:50 am] mikewd2 -: come on need SINA longs to take some profits and sell off
[11:50 am] doji : Stochastics on TZA still pointing up on 2min chart
[11:50 am] candelas : its pays off when ur picky
[11:50 am] candelas : good choice
[11:51 am] sonorant : So steeper slope, lower price, higher volume?
[11:51 am] mhaus : a quicky[11:51 am] joeytsa : wheres your stop at mike?
[11:51 am] mhaus : I got in at 44.62 and out at 45.12
[11:52 am] rawdawg6914 : I'm out too, i have my 2%, I'll be back on tomorrow tho guys, nice to meet you all
[11:52 am] mikewd2 -: 115
[11:52 am] mikewd2 -: 113
[11:52 am] Kris : see ya pat!
[11:52 am] joeytsa : good spot mike
[11:52 am] apple : thx K and B and everyone - today was a super day - gotta pick up my son from school - have a fun evening
[11:53 am] monster : i am newbie here and was wonder when you post a pick in the morning, do you buy it after you post it or you wait for a set up? question for Kris and Brent
[11:53 am] Kris : see you tomorrow rawdawg6914
[11:53 am] joeytsa : lock in that profit
[11:53 am] doji : Stochastics in TZa turning down, time to take some profits
[11:54 am] mikewd2 -: covered + 0.55
[11:54 am] Kris : once in a while I miss cause I post and it leaves the station.
[11:54 am] Kris : for my posts, I post and I immediately enter the trade as fast as I can monster.
[11:54 am] Kris : but it's rare
[11:54 am] mhaus : starting 7:25 AM
[11:55 am] monster : so really no setup on like 3minutes. where do you put a stop then?
[11:55 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, i really thought it would tank
[11:55 am] Kris : I say LONG or SHORT then the symbol
[11:55 am] joeytsa : nice job mike, was about to say the indicators were bottoming
[11:55 am] joeytsa : jump back in if it breaks down again
[11:56 am] swingtrader : joy what is the name of your horse and when is running
[11:56 am] mikewd2 -: yepper[11:56 am] mikewd2 -: going to
[11:56 am] Kris : around 1% is a good stop for day trades we post unless you see strong S/R levels that are just a little more that
[11:56 am] joeytsa : a break here next step would be 112.40 area ?
[11:56 am] doji : TZa has more upside
[11:57 am] monster : thanks
[11:57 am] Kris : try to use them as added protection with your stop
[11:57 am] Kris : I keep my stops away from whole numbers
[11:57 am] garyb : bought tna again...but no support...thank you stop!
[11:58 am] swingtrader : chine buying Italian Bonds big deal
[11:58 am] Kris : then on the ones I'm watching I'll say LONG or SHORT on my entry unless Mitch or Brent have the trade already.
[11:58 am] Kris : if I say "watching" a stock, that means I'm watching usually for a reversal of price action
[11:58 am] doji : Ouch..is the market, that is when you trail your stop
[11:58 am] doji : Oil ends 2.3% higher at $90.21
[11:59 am] swingtrader : your country is bailing out eurp[11:59 am] swingtrader : and brazil buying debt in eur zone .. DOji '
[11:59 am] lisas : Kris, on thing I'm not sure of, when you enter second half on an early morning stock, only a pullback to support, or also on new near high?
[12:00 pm] mikewd2 -: WLT might be worth a small long
[12:00 pm] mikewd2 -: if it starts to move upward
[12:00 pm] lisas : Thanks
[12:00 pm] Kris : I will add on pullbacks of strong stocks that hold solid relative strength
[12:00 pm] joeytsa : makes sense Kris
[12:00 pm] joeytsa : doji: i think oil went up due to diminishing reserves
[12:01 pm] Kris : occasionally I'll add to my long on the new high if it had a tight consolidation against a market correction.
[12:01 pm] Kris : I like to leave some bullets for a small pullback into strong support and all my strategies run off the market direction as much as possible.
[12:01 pm] Kris : I always scale in
[12:01 pm] Kris : but on fast movers like news trades
[12:01 pm] Kris : but it's not as common.
[12:01 pm] joeytsa : Kris, do you always scale in?
[12:01 pm] joeytsa : i have to work on that..
[12:02 pm] mikewd2 -: is your trades around the same $ amount, it more shares of lower priced stocks, etc.
[12:02 pm] Kris : usually the price will hop around and you can get a good fill
[12:02 pm] Kris : it takes some practice
[12:02 pm] Kris : I'm dropping orders on the bid as fast as I can then I cancel out open orders once I get my size.
[12:02 pm] Kris : I carpet bomb
[12:02 pm] Kris : easier when you have chart trader
[12:02 pm] joeytsa : on ok, on fast trades i put in 1000 shares automatically
[12:02 pm] joeytsa : just an old habit
[12:02 pm] joeytsa : i need to work on different things like that
[12:03 pm] mikewd2 -: $ size or shares
[12:03 pm] mhaus : Kris, do you have StaticDOM? I have DynamicDOM only
[12:03 pm] lisas : do you have your stops entered at same time as your order?
[12:03 pm] Kris : typically I'll try to stay around the same size unless I feel there is a little more risk in the trade then I stay smaller
[12:03 pm] Kris : additional risk may be low dollar stock, high volatility, big moves with no news,
[12:03 pm] Kris : $ size
[12:04 pm] mhaus : Lisas, that with NinjaTrader.
[12:04 pm] Kris : yes, I have an ATM strategy I created to put in my targets and stops then I adjust.
[12:04 pm] Kris : TS has a way to run ATM strategies too
[12:04 pm] Kris : I have DynamicSuperDom open
[12:04 pm] Kris : boom boom boom[12:04 pm] joeytsa : ATM is great, i only have that on ninja for my futures
[12:05 pm] swingtrader : you guys want me to post my ste up is that ok kris and brent[12:05 pm] sonorant : Still, you are moving really, really fast.
[12:05 pm] mhaus : It places an order with your stops, profit targets and trailing stops
[12:05 pm] lisas : Sorry, what is "ATM"
[12:05 pm] lisas : I do that as well, targets too. Sometimes on a fast or jerky stock, my stop will get hit too soon as it was too close for that stock. I've gotten better at watching that.
[12:05 pm] Kris : yes, it takes practice
[12:05 pm] Kris : to warm up in the morning brent catches flies with chopsticks.
[12:05 pm] Kris : and I think you can do something with the old version of esignal. I wouldn't recommend using V11 esignal for trading as it's too buggy.
[12:05 pm] garyb : Kris do you use the Matrix in TS?
[12:05 pm] doji : Kris, hope you will teach all of these in the webinar
[12:05 pm] candelas : lol[12:06 pm] sonorant : So are you entering your initial orders from chart trader?
[12:06 pm] mhaus : I just can't work with DynamicDOM. I use Chart trader with ATM strategies
[12:06 pm] Kris : sure swingtrader[12:06 pm] Kris : only for getting my targets filled
[12:06 pm] Kris : it's a little more precise
[12:06 pm] Kris : if I have to adjust orders by the tick
[12:06 pm] Kris : I don't use the DOM much
[12:06 pm] Kris : chart trader is faster but a little more loose
[12:06 pm] joeytsa : i don't use the dom[12:06 pm] joeytsa : atm : auto trade management
[12:06 pm] garyb : I think I will start using the matrix.....by the time I enter an order I miss the big "move" (should use the matrix with my wife too!)
[12:07 pm] swingtrader : http://www.freestockcharts.com/?emailChartID= f02cd96f-124c-4873-bec4-9553b1d01334
[12:07 pm] mhaus : I place them in the chart (limit orders) and the ATM strategy does the rest
[12:07 pm] lisas : I like the matrix, I can see easily what I am risking per trade if I want to move stop to a support/resistance level
[12:07 pm] Kris : kind of, the side buttons
[12:07 pm] Kris : I'm on the bid or the ask most of the time
[12:07 pm] Kris : don't miss a big move cause you're trying to get that extra penny on your fill
[12:07 pm] garyb : So you use it regularly lisas?
[12:08 pm] sonorant : You would always get a fill, not almost always, correct?
[12:08 pm] sonorant : Kris, So that means you almost always get a fill, yes?
[12:08 pm] lisas : Yes gary, only way I enter.
[12:08 pm] lisas : everynow and then it freezes. Rolled my TS back to 8.8 this weekend and it's better, but I did have to call the order desk yesterday when I could not get out of a trade
[12:08 pm] garyb : I started trading eminis with the matrix....loved it! I want to do that with stocks now. Thanks lisas[12:09 pm] Kris : your
[12:09 pm] Kris : very rarely will I miss a fill sonorant.
[12:09 pm] Kris : I think you're candles are too small Itacher[12:10 pm] Kris : sometimes I don't get filled and have to slide my order a tick or two
[12:10 pm] Kris : if I'm going short I'm on the ask
[12:10 pm] Kris : If I'm going long I'm on the bid
[12:11 pm] tennisball : what situation would you use mkt orders?
[12:11 pm] swingtrader : let me see
[12:11 pm] sonorant : Wow, okay, I'll try that tomorrow. I've been filling from the superdom, but I only have room to have one open, so I have to take the time to change the setting on the dom to match the chart I want to trade. It takes precious time.
[12:11 pm] mikewd2 -: WLT at lod[12:11 pm] Kris : my stops are market stops
[12:11 pm] Kris : I take that back
[12:11 pm] Kris : I never use a market order
[12:12 pm] tennisball : Why Kris
[12:12 pm] tennisball : orders
[12:12 pm] Kris : why what tennisball?
[12:13 pm] tennisball : no mkt orders
[12:13 pm] mhaus : why no market orders
[12:13 pm] mhaus : because of the slippage
[12:13 pm] Kris : you're at their mercy
[12:13 pm] Kris : they can rob you at will
[12:13 pm] Kris : cause it's like buying stocks from a used car salesman
[12:14 pm] tennisball : even in high v moments?
[12:14 pm] swingtrader : thank you kris .. I am going to try show you the trade station set up
[12:14 pm] swingtrader : i am trying to make the candle bigger
[12:14 pm] sonorant : Did you turn off the confirmation message?
[12:14 pm] rusty : GNK radar
[12:14 pm] mhaus : you click buy at 10 and you could get the stock at 10.01 or 10.51
[12:14 pm] Kris : some brokers are worse than others
[12:14 pm] Kris : and it depends on the volume and volatility
[12:14 pm] rusty : GNK 200dma 9.79
[12:15 pm] tennisball : That's my answer Kris
[12:15 pm] qwert : none at lightspeed[12:15 pm] mikewd2 -: no shares to short at etrade[12:15 pm] mhaus : TZA moving fast
[12:15 pm] joeytsa : back in the fractions day, i always used market orders when shorting on the open....have changed that up
[12:16 pm] joeytsa : still do it on occasion, but not like i used to
[12:17 pm] joeytsa : had to do with the uptick rule mainly
[12:18 pm] mikewd2 -: missed TZA
[12:18 pm] Kris : yes I can't have the confirmation message holding me up
[12:18 pm] joeytsa : too late to see, or missed your price?
[12:19 pm] mikewd2 -: missed my price
[12:19 pm] joeytsa : gotya[12:20 pm] tennisball : tza long mkt 245.37, OUT HALF 45.88
[12:20 pm] swingtrader : thank you
[12:20 pm] swingtrader : Kris good night
[12:20 pm] stevemld : great work today Kris
[12:20 pm] sonorant : Thanks for the great info Kris -- many things to think about tomorrow.
[12:20 pm] lisas : Bye Kris, thanks!
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : have a great day Kris
[12:20 pm] doji : Too late in TZA
[12:20 pm] candelas : cya Kris
[12:21 pm] tennisball : OUTLAST HALF 46.40
[12:21 pm] Brent : nice tennisball[12:22 pm] mikewd2 -: one last time for today
[12:22 pm] mikewd2 -: and i went long TNA
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : nice tennisball[12:23 pm] mikewd2 -: in 40.46
[12:23 pm] garyb : Me too mike....I was going to close up shop...one more trade! thanks!
[12:24 pm] tennisball : kRIS, TNA LOOK LIKE A POSSIBLE LONG?
[12:24 pm] garyb : wow..you got in at a good price..I left to go for a few minutes.....oh well
[12:25 pm] tennisball : Thanks doji[12:25 pm] garyb : kris has left the building
[12:25 pm] doji : With this market I won't take anything long Tennisball[12:25 pm] candelas : YES
[12:25 pm] mikewd2 -: looking for 41.02
[12:26 pm] qwert : candles where did u get shares from
[12:26 pm] mikewd2 -: dang, i tried
[12:26 pm] joeytsa : the NYSE %30 is close to a sell signal on the p&f charts...
[12:26 pm] joeytsa : just be careful with any swing/int holds....
[12:26 pm] candelas : yeeeees thnx Brent
[12:26 pm] candelas : tradestation[12:26 pm] candelas : too funny
[12:27 pm] monster : IDCC bounce
[12:27 pm] joeytsa : the NYSE BPI is close to a new column of zeroes...tricky time
[12:28 pm] mikewd2 -: yeah
[12:28 pm] garyb : Mike are you still in?
[12:29 pm] mikewd2 -: nice $280 profit bfc[12:29 pm] garyb : I got stopped out
[12:29 pm] garyb : good going!
[12:29 pm] mikewd2 -: out 41.02
[12:30 pm] mikewd2 -: would have ran it more, but worried about time of day
[12:30 pm] mikewd2 -: left alot on the table
[12:30 pm] mikewd2 -: i didn't get stopped moved it to buy price
[12:30 pm] joeytsa : nice money mike
[12:30 pm] candelas : u have 1,800 seconds left
[12:30 pm] Brent : great work mikewd[12:31 pm] mikewd2 -: thanks Brent
[12:31 pm] mikewd2 -: oh well it was bonus money
[12:31 pm] mikewd2 -: i don't, I'm retired
[12:31 pm] joeytsa : keep this up and you won't ever have to work for anyone ever again
[12:31 pm] candelas : sounds like a lot that way
[12:31 pm] Brent : yeah, don't sweat it mikewd, nice trade
[12:32 pm] mikewd2 -: yesterday
[12:32 pm] candelas : should be some interesting setups 4 tomorrow
[12:32 pm] candelas : hod LNKD
[12:32 pm] Brent : you're on a roll mikewd. Was it yesterday you had your best day? or was it last week
[12:32 pm] Brent : awesome
[12:33 pm] mikewd2 -: I've only had a couple of bad days since joining and those were my stupid mistakes
[12:33 pm] mhaus : I am going to call it a day. Good night all.
[12:33 pm] garyb : congrats man! I had an awesome day myself
[12:33 pm] candelas : nice Mike
[12:33 pm] Brent : have a good night mhaus, see you tomorrow
[12:34 pm] tennisball : Brent-anyone- able to short tza and tna?
[12:34 pm] mikewd2 -: only lost was WLT and stopped out - now its running!
[12:34 pm] mikewd2 -: i was one bounce too early
[12:34 pm] mhaus : will work on it over the weekend
[12:34 pm] mhaus : Have not worked on it yet. Waiting to get some training this Friday
[12:34 pm] candelas : ok
[12:35 pm] qwert : what we need you candles
[12:35 pm] mikewd2 -: we count on you
[12:35 pm] mikewd2 -: not acceptable candelas! you must give 2 day notice.
[12:35 pm] candelas : u guys are hilarious
[12:35 pm] candelas : lol[12:35 pm] candelas : i will not be here 2morrow
[12:37 pm] mikewd2 -: want to go into TZA, but not going to. discipline!
[12:38 pm] joeytsa : nice mike...it's difficult sometimes
[12:39 pm] mikewd2 -: your right joey
[12:39 pm] mikewd2 -: learning that from you guys and TSA
[12:39 pm] joeytsa : punch a button, make money..hey that's easy
[12:39 pm] joeytsa : let me do that agian[12:39 pm] joeytsa : if you let your guard down, this sometimes seems like a video game
[12:39 pm] garyb : tight stop
[12:39 pm] garyb : I took on TZA
[12:40 pm] mikewd2 -: u trading 500 shares?
[12:41 pm] mikewd2 -: that's my position always on TZA or TNA
[12:41 pm] joeytsa : i adjust # of shares depending on stock price
[12:41 pm] garyb : yeh, small trade
[12:41 pm] garyb : don't want to risk it
[12:41 pm] candelas : Sonorant did u trade GNK?
[12:42 pm] mikewd2 -: yep, i think you will like this close.
[12:42 pm] mikewd2 -: u get stopped?
[12:42 pm] mikewd2 -: 18 minutes
[12:42 pm] garyb : the setup looked too good mike lol[12:43 pm] mikewd2 -: it looked promising
[12:43 pm] mikewd2 -: bummer
[12:43 pm] joeytsa : good job though...
[12:43 pm] garyb : yes.......tight stop
[12:43 pm] garyb : i know! Man..it's the end of the day though....crazy action
[12:43 pm] garyb : didn't lose anything
[12:44 pm] joeytsa : anytime you can be wrong and NOT take a loss...that's a good thing
[12:44 pm] garyb : I usually buy at a good spot...so I can move my stop up quickly to where I bought it....I minimize losses...but take in as much gains as possible
[12:45 pm] mikewd2 -: good plan
[12:45 pm] joeytsa : very smart
[12:45 pm] joeytsa : do you keep trailing it up?
[12:46 pm] sonorant : Candles, had to step away -- I have to leave early today -- and yes I did trade GNK -- got in and out quickly (with my 10 shares). Made $$. It was good practice.
[12:46 pm] sonorant : And yes, we will all miss you tomorrow.
[12:46 pm] garyb : it depends how the day is.....if it is a positive day like today I will keep my stop back so I don't get bounced out...and then I let it run
[12:46 pm] garyb : I just hate when the day ends like this....unpredictable........yes I do Joey but....
[12:47 pm] sonorant : I definitely would not go that far. And I am only trading one in and one out. It will get a little more complicated when I add multiple positions.
[12:47 pm] rusty : we close on hod or lod most of the time
[12:47 pm] rusty : rarely in between especially with all the computer trading
[12:47 pm] mikewd2 -: finishing at high of day on TNA, SPY - didn't expect that today
[12:47 pm] joeytsa : gotya[12:47 pm] garyb : if it is a crap day for longs and I see an opportunity for a long...I will keep a tight stop
[12:47 pm] candelas : sounds like u are getting consistent
[12:48 pm] sonorant : Yes, today was my day to practice exiting by choice rather than by trailing stop -- definitely works better!
[12:48 pm] sonorant : Even if my targets are modest.
[12:48 pm] mikewd2 -: shutting her down, good day - cu tmrw[12:48 pm] joeytsa : decent plan gary
[12:48 pm] garyb : thanks Joey!
[12:48 pm] garyb : see you Mike! Have a great night!
[12:48 pm] candelas : ok
[12:48 pm] candelas : it's a start though
[12:49 pm] sonorant : See you joey and mike
[12:49 pm] joeytsa : think i am out for the day too...hope you all have a great rest of the day
[12:49 pm] joeytsa : see you in the room tomorrow morning
[12:49 pm] joeytsa : later mike
[12:49 pm] tennisball : gnk long 9.43-out 9.59
[12:50 pm] joeytsa : real cool...i will send you a link to watch Royal Bonnies race and workout
[12:50 pm] joeytsa : last year the Miss Grillo was win and you're in
[12:50 pm] joeytsa : don't think so this year though
[12:50 pm] garyb : have a good one joey..I;ll send you an email with Crown's Path info
[12:51 pm] sonorant : Okay, I better leave too -- or I'll be late for my mother's doctor's apptmt. See you all tomorrow!
[12:51 pm] garyb : Cool Joey
[12:53 pm] swingtrader : sonorant good day
[12:55 pm] candelas : c ya Sonorant
[12:57 pm] lisas : Thanks Brent, room members, hit Mitch's 70% today, it is profitable, lol[12:57 pm] Brent : have a good night Sonorant
[12:58 pm] Brent : nice job Lisas[12:58 pm] Brent : good work
[[12:59 pm] lisas : Thanks all, avoiding those moderately bigger down days by NOT trading mid-day. If I hit my target in am, switch to sim mode, helps
[12:59 pm] rusty : BSFT moving down fast
[12:59 pm] lisas : bye candelas, thanks for the help!
[01:00 pm] candelas : no problem
[01:00 pm] candelas : If I have time 2morrow while in Va. Beach will call you
[01:01 pm] qwert : goodnight everyone
[01:01 pm] qwert : bye candles
[01:01 pm] observer : that is Brent
[01:01 pm] observer : take care BVrent, Traders
[01:01 pm] candelas : c ya Qwer
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