Chat Highlights From 09/12/2011

TSA Moderator ChatUser Chat
[06:18 am] Brent : Brent : good morning
[06:19 am] Kris : Kris : Good Morning Traders
[06:19 am] Kris : Kris : Today I'm watching BBVA, NU, VSH, DANG, AFL, AMTD, CYH, DNR and FISV as possible short trades.
[06:20 am] Kris : Kris : GG, ORLY, ULTA, CAVM, GA and ALV as possible long trades.
[06:26 am] Kris : Kris : It's not my screen norsky. It's Mitch's.
[06:28 am] Kris : Kris : 2 minutes. Time to Rock! Let's Make Some Money!
[06:30 am] Kris : Kris : TITN short half
[06:31 am] Kris : Kris : if you can get it
[06:31 am] Kris : Kris : stay small TITN, she's a little thin
[06:31 am] Kris : Kris : UNP short half
[06:31 am] Kris : Kris : VRSN short
[06:32 am] Kris : Kris : ANR short half
[06:33 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching for bounce in CFX
[06:34 am] Kris : Kris : LRCX long half
[06:35 am] Kris : Kris : RIMM long half
[06:35 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: CFX,
[06:38 am] Kris : Kris : out half RIMM long
[06:38 am] Kris : Kris : watching SVM for a long
[06:38 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: CFX looking like no bounce, dead on arrival
[06:39 am] Kris : Kris : MOS long half
[06:40 am] Kris : Kris : SINA long half
[06:41 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching for top in ITMN for short
[06:43 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching for short in CBSH, letting it run more
[06:44 am] Brent : Brent : watching QCOR for a bounce
[06:45 am] Kris : Kris : NEM short half
[06:45 am] Kris : Kris : out half SINA long
[06:45 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching DHR for potential short
[06:46 am] Kris : Kris : LULU long half
[06:46 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 RIMM long
[06:47 am] Kris : Kris : GMCR long half
[06:48 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looking for quick short in HOT,
[06:50 am] Kris : Kris : JAZZ long half
[06:51 am] Kris : Kris : CLF long half
[06:51 am] Kris : Kris : out half GMCR long
[06:51 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching LVS for potential top
[06:52 am] Kris : Kris : out half JAZZ long
[06:52 am] Kris : Kris : SPY breaking new hod, still strong
[06:53 am] Brent : Brent : consider reducing QCOR
[06:53 am] Brent : Brent : next target 26.80 on QCOR
[06:53 am] Kris : Kris : MON long half
[06:53 am] Kris : Kris : out half LULU long
[06:54 am] Kris : Kris : URBN long half
[06:55 am] Kris : Kris : out half CLF long
[06:56 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 JAZZ long
[06:56 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 LULU long
[06:56 am] Kris : Kris : watching TZA for a long soon
[06:57 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching FNSR for short
[06:58 am] Kris : Kris : ok, starting to get serious about TZA long, SPY running on increasing volume and accelerating price
[07:00 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 CLF long
[07:00 am] Kris : Kris : out half URBN long
[07:00 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: getting a top in CMA
[07:01 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: getting some tops
[07:02 am] Kris : Kris : TZA long half position
[07:02 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: top in LULU
[07:05 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 SINA long
[07:05 am] Kris : Kris : PWRD short half
[07:05 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: Greece says they have enough cash to operate until next month. that sounds so funny for a
[07:07 am] Kris : Kris : watching ARMH for a short
[07:09 am] Kris : Kris : SPY coming into resistance area
[07:09 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looking for short in CCL, Carnival Cruise
[07:12 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching for top in MGM
[07:13 am] Kris : Kris : see if SPY can break trendline support
[07:13 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider covering ITMN
[07:14 am] Kris : Kris : out half PWRD short
[07:14 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: DHR turning over
[07:17 am] Kris : Kris : BDX short
[07:17 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: most of those tops earlier, almost all are turning over now,
[07:18 am] Kris : Kris : ESRX long half
[07:19 am] Kris : Kris : RY short half
[07:20 am] Kris : Kris : see what kind of bounce we get in the SPY here
[07:23 am] Kris : Kris : what's your entry topdog?
[07:24 am] Kris : Kris : coming into support here, I would reduce a little and move your stop, see if it can lose 21.00 and could test 20.50
[07:24 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: what you try to do with these stocks is look at any "companion stocks" like LVS has other casino stocks like WYNN or MGM that was posted
[07:25 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: LVS looks like god place to cover, as well as WYNN. dont think i posted WYNN
[07:26 am] Kris : Kris : WLT short half
[07:26 am] Mitch K: FNSR might give a baby 2nd helping short
[07:26 am] Mitch K: NOTE: We may have more of a selloff than normal today so these shorts may mature more
[07:28 am] Kris : Kris : more sellers coming in here
[07:28 am] Kris : Kris : out half ESRX long
[07:28 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: it's possible that many of these shorts look like this one on left, ITMN
[07:30 am] Kris : Kris : out half WLT short
[07:30 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looks like more downside on DHR coming
[07:32 am] Kris : Kris : DLTR long half
[07:32 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: CBSH short not worth staying with
[07:33 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 WLT short
[07:34 am] Kris : Kris : start looking for a possible long in TNA
[07:35 am] Kris : Kris : CAVM short
[07:36 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: when you see some of the earlier stocks that were posted as a short mature much more than normal, like ITMN, what I do is start looking for the other ones to follow suit, which usually they do, like now CMA
[07:37 am] Kris : Kris : TNA long small position
[07:38 am] Brent : Brent : watching GRA for a bounce
[07:38 am] Kris : Kris : looking for 38.67 first target TNA long
[07:39 am] Kris : Kris : SODA long
[07:39 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: getting bounces in most of the stocks im following
[07:42 am] Kris : Kris : good eye matt
[07:43 am] Kris : Kris : dead cat bounce
[07:43 am] Kris : Kris : WLT new lows
[07:45 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: very negative to see that rebound fail and shorts are now lower lows
[07:46 am] Kris : Kris : watching AGU for a short below 84.77
[07:47 am] Kris : Kris : YOKU short half
[07:48 am] Kris : Kris : PANL running
[07:50 am] Kris : Kris : FOSL short half
[07:51 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: when you see the stocks that were not performing like CBSH that i mentioned, and then you see them sell off on the short side like the others, you know the market is weak and it should be another reason to hold open those shorts when that happens
[07:52 am] Kris : Kris : watch SPY trendline resistance
[07:53 am] Kris : Kris : thanks ronfrac[07:53 am] Kris : Kris : the obamashort[07:57 am] Kris : Kris : looking for new lod in YOKU
[07:57 am] Kris : Kris : seeing more sellers coming in here. weak bounce in the SPY so far. look for new lows from here
[07:58 am] Kris : Kris : out half FOSL short
[07:58 am] Kris : Kris : SPY next support 114.50 area
[07:58 am] Kris : Kris : still can't break that resistance trendline[07:59 am] Kris : Kris : lol[07:59 am] Kris : Kris : market baracking support levels
[07:59 am] Kris : Kris : where is rockstar when I need him
[08:00 am] Kris : Kris : learn to speak chinglish[08:00 am] Kris : Kris : YOKU at lod[08:05 am] Kris : Kris : watching GS for a short on a new lod[08:07 am] Kris : Kris : VRUS long half
[08:08 am] Kris : Kris : BMRN long half
[08:10 am] Kris : Kris : got an order at .83 for first target on VRUS long
[08:10 am] Kris : Kris : out half VRUS long
[08:13 am] Kris : Kris : JOYG short half
[08:14 am] Brent : Brent : consider reducing GRA if long
[08:19 am] Kris : Kris : SPY starting to come into resistance here
[08:20 am] Kris : Kris : not a good time yet doji, I would pass on the long idea at this time.
[08:20 am] Kris : Kris : out another 1/4 VRUS long
[08:23 am] Kris : Kris : out all VRUS long
[08:25 am] Kris : Kris : SODA breaking out
[08:29 am] Kris : Kris : JVA long
[09:04 am] Kris : Kris : out half BMRN long
[09:50 am] Brent : Brent : SPY testing support
[10:03 am] Kris : Kris : yes, I think so topdog, another weak bounce here, look for a break to new lod.
[10:04 am] Kris : Kris : SPY at resistance with subsequent lower highs, if we lose the lod support we could have a nice drop.
[10:38 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: also watching TNA for bounce
[10:38 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looking for bounce in WYNN
[10:47 am] Kris : Kris : anyone still short AGU, watch that trendline resistance as your stop on the last piece of your position.
[10:54 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider selling TNA long scalp soon
[10:58 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: that means long on VC
[10:58 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching VC for bounce
[11:31 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider closing VC here 43.67 area
[12:02 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: anyone take these late trade ideas i posted, TNA, VC, WYNN
[12:04 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: this is excellent volatility today. You make most money when it is a day like this and the stock price stays within a range but a wide range and it goes to the top and bottom repeatedly
[12:05 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: we also missed posting to you AEM and NEM earlier but at that moment, as usual, it becomes a time management. felt like early in the morning opening when things are very busy
[12:40 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: i think the odds are quite high we break below support levels, like the one i will draw on TNA
[12:42 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: my guess is the Greece situation going to come to a head soon, maybe next few weeks
[12:42 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: we go below this blue line and going to be ugly on the downside
[12:47 pm] Kris : Kris : Repeat after me
[12:47 pm] Kris : Kris : The Markets Are Never Wrong
[01:00 pm] Brent : Brent : have a good night everyone, see you in the morning
[01:00 pm] Kris : Kris : Goodnight everyone. Great job today. See you all tomorrow morning.
[01:01 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: later guys,... hey, I won't see you tomorrow but will on Wednesday

[06:07 am] joeytsa : explosion at french nuclear site
[06:09 am] joeytsa : gap ups : NETL,IDCC,ENOC,FSLR
[06:10 am] joeytsa : gap downs : QCOR,TZOO,SODA,LULU,CREE,TIF
[06:14 am] joeytsa : yeah mike..big gap, but not one i ever try to fade
[06:14 am] mikewd2 -: buyout must be around 48 bucks
[06:16 am] Mitch K: HEY HAS ANYONE BEEN LISTENING TO cnbc JUST now? Did anyone hear what Cramer said a few min ago? he said something about ETFs hurting the mom and pop at home buying stocks
[06:16 am] Mitch K: i missed most of it
[06:16 am] Mitch K: what did he say?
[06:16 am] joeytsa : he has been against etf's for a long time
[06:17 am] mikewd2 -: he has always been against ETFs
[06:17 am] Mitch K: i think that trend is going to continue
[06:17 am] Mitch K: what's his reasoning?
[06:17 am] swingtrader : that after 3 the market may drop another 1.5% and he won't recommend be long or short
[06:17 am] Mitch K: i think it takes the stock picking out of the process
[06:17 am] rd : i caught the tale end and he was saying if were down 2% at 3pm expect another 1 to 1.24% because of the etf's[06:18 am] joeytsa : if i remember right its because when you invest in an etf, you really aren't investing in the companies
[06:18 am] joeytsa : i tuned it out because i thought he was going to say the same thing
[06:18 am] Mitch K: oh, ok, so the ETF funds are adding to the volatility because they have to buy 2 or 3 timex as much to meet the volatility requirements
[06:19 am] rd : and i guess they settle up at end of day
[06:19 am] Mitch K: it might be that he is saying this because it sort of takes his job away
[06:19 am] joeytsa : i also get the feeling, that etf's don't buy stock..they might make plays in options etc, but i mihgt be off on that one
[06:19 am] Mitch K: yes, they have to use options because they are 2 or 3 to 1 leveraged
[06:19 am] Mitch K: ok thanks guys
[06:19 am] swingtrader : Cramer hates ETFs Mitch
[06:20 am] mikewd2 -: anyone buying some TZA premarket?
[06:21 am] garyb : Hi Mitch...I have heard Cramer talk about it..he hates the 3x ETFs...he says they are flawed
[06:21 am] Mitch K: why are they flawed?
[06:21 am] joeytsa : PNRA gapping down also
[06:21 am] garyb : Because he says they adjust them every night..and eventually if you hold on too long they do damage
[06:22 am] tallstonetrading : Mitch- you should be able to call back the clip on Video streaming http://www.cnbc.com
[06:23 am] Mitch K: oh that's true. for sure. if you look at the financial etfs, after that 2008 crash and the short financial etfs did well..... a year later, they dropped a lot more than a financial stock would have, and i followed the non leveraged ETFs then
[06:23 am] Mitch K: ok thanks tallstone[06:24 am] doji : If you read Crammer's book "Getting Back to Even" you will understand why he is against 3x leverage ETF's
[06:26 am] lightning : let's knock it out of the park today. Good luck everyone.
[06:26 am] joeytsa : europe's gonna be a big issue
[06:26 am] garyb : that's why I get a little nervous to hold TNA/TZA for too too long
[06:26 am] garyb : Mike did you buy TZA in premarket?
[06:27 am] mikewd2 -: yes in TZA 50.41, trying to decide to dump now or at open
[06:27 am] joeytsa : nice profit so far :)
[06:28 am] mikewd2 -: had it in 51.25 and it didn't hit it, missed by 1 cent
[06:28 am] joeytsa : yeah happens to me on my limits sometimes
[06:28 am] mikewd2 -: only 500 shares
[06:28 am] joeytsa : sell half, raise stop tight
[06:29 am] joeytsa : if it's moving fast, i sometimes gunsling with a market order..only time i ever use them, except unless i am drastically wrong and need to exit a trade
[06:29 am] mikewd2 -: took the profit
[06:29 am] doji : Ok I see SPY and TNA... time to rock
[06:29 am] mikewd2 -: 50.1
[06:30 am] garyb : good one mike
[06:30 am] joeytsa : good job mike
[06:34 am] joeytsa : out SODA long on open + .75
[06:36 am] joeytsa : still in IDCC short on open
[06:36 am] joeytsa : thanks guys
[06:38 am] joeytsa : out IDCC
[06:39 am] joeytsa : +.40 oh well
[06:39 am] joeytsa : mike: smart move getting rid of TZA when you did :)
[06:40 am] mikewd2 -: been looking at that
[06:40 am] joeytsa : CMG closing gap
[06:41 am] joeytsa : SINA shooting for gap close
[06:43 am] eyes-inthenow : what do you consider top in itmn[06:46 am] swingtrader : wow TNA
[06:46 am] joeytsa : great trade Kris on SINA !!!
[06:46 am] joeytsa : paid the mortgage on that one...or at least got yourself a new surfboard :)
[06:47 am] garyb : I know Itacher......TNA is rocking out!
[06:52 am] doji : QCOR long 26.15
[06:53 am] joeytsa : FOSL running
[06:54 am] garyb : anyone watching TZA for an entry
[06:55 am] mikewd2 -: me, don't think this up market can last
[06:55 am] garyb : me too..thinking it will top out
[06:55 am] joeytsa : same here, just don't want to try to catch a falling knife
[06:55 am] swingtrader : i think the stock are setting up for shorts ..I think
[06:55 am] swingtrader : watching DB
[06:56 am] mikewd2 -: ITMN not working out
[06:57 am] swingtrader : I like LVS short any signal yet Mitch
[06:57 am] mikewd2 -: stopped out on ITMN
[06:58 am] eyes-inthenow : yes please give signal on LVS
[06:58 am] junior : brent thanks for QCOR...still got a piece
[07:00 am] garyb : in TZA
[07:00 am] garyb : maybe too early though
[07:01 am] mikewd2 -: I'm in too
[07:01 am] garyb : Stochastic crossover on 1 min
[07:01 am] garyb : okay mike....maybe we did good
[07:02 am] mikewd2 -: chart looking good
[07:04 am] swingtrader : watching SVM for a short
[07:06 am] garyb : stopped out of TZA
[07:10 am] joeytsa : some cities and states had been saying something like that too
[07:13 am] garyb : here we go Mike
[07:13 am] swingtrader : FNSR turning
[07:13 am] joeytsa : out QCOR short +1.20, made up for a 60cent loss earlier
[07:14 am] joeytsa : 3 for 4, gonna sit back for a bit
[07:16 am] joeytsa : keep eye on that 42.60 level on DHR
[07:18 am] junior : all out TZA long
[07:18 am] anthonyb : any of you guys trade SDS, SSO instead of TZA,TNA?
[07:19 am] swingtrader : Mitch I got FNSR from 19.42 should i cover here
[07:20 am] joeytsa : I don't anthony, used to follow the DXD but not so much anymore
[07:21 am] joeytsa : ITMN turned into a nice short, didn't play it though
[07:22 am] mikewd2 -: got stopped on it, figures
[07:22 am] joeytsa : from now on when you get stopped I'm jumping in :)
[07:22 am] candelas : thx for QCOR
[07:23 am] topdogrex : Kris, tg for titn[07:23 am] Mitch K: swingtrader, you have to decide when to execute a position, especially a closing one. I see my role as trying to find as many good ideas as possible first 60-90 minutes
[07:23 am] mikewd2 -: LVS starting to look weak
[07:24 am] topdogrex : 21.14
[07:24 am] garyb : darn..got out of TZA too early
[07:25 am] swingtrader : excellent point thank you lol[07:26 am] swingtrader : I understand
[07:26 am] junior : same here garyb, out
[07:27 am] topdogrex : tx, kris[07:27 am] junior : TZA too soon, but nice profit
[07:27 am] garyb : me too junior
[07:28 am] mikewd2 -: covered LVS short
[07:28 am] joeytsa : also triple witching this week, might come into play
[07:30 am] swingtrader : FNSR looking good
[07:32 am] mikewd2 -: looking for bottom in WLT
[07:34 am] truck : watching CMI
[07:34 am] rusty : TLT hod[07:36 am] joeytsa : Mitch: are you talking overall, same sector or both??
[07:37 am] joeytsa : I notice same sector stocks do that many times
[07:38 am] shark : lod TNA -support here
[07:39 am] shark : sorry- TNA support here on DAILY chart
[07:39 am] junior : nice call tna Kris!!!!!!!
[07:39 am] garyb : In TNA
[07:40 am] garyb : Perfect timing Kris! You rock!
[07:42 am] lightning : watching to see if GS drops below 100.
[07:43 am] rusty : http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20110912-zn1 6-110kb.jpg VIX
[07:43 am] mikewd2 -: stopped on GRA
[07:43 am] mikewd2 -: not a good day to try longs
[07:44 am] garyb : no power in the longs no
[07:45 am] texas : FOSL lod[07:45 am] rusty : WLT radar
[07:45 am] doji : I agree Mike, had no luck with QCOR
[07:46 am] shark : just another excuse to sell at hod, Mitch
[07:46 am] reacher : Brent, I don't see a close support price for GRA bounce?
[07:46 am] garyb : today almost looks like a repeat of Friday
[07:46 am] anthonyb : okay gang, I'm done. another really good day. Thanks Mitch,Brent, and Kris. See all of you tomorrow
[07:47 am] rusty : GS sub 100
[07:49 am] doji : News on PANL?
[07:50 am] doji : Broke resistance at 51 PANL
[07:52 am] eyes-inthenow : PANL looking good
[07:53 am] shark : get your weakest shorts ready...
[07:53 am] ronfrac : Pres going to speak
[07:53 am] mhaus : Pres going to speak. Long TZA?
[07:54 am] swingtrader : PANL watching for a short
[07:54 am] shark : maybe already somewhat anticipated MHaus...
[07:54 am] mikewd2 -: he has to move the market up at some point, or maybe not until jan 2013!
[07:54 am] mikewd2 -: CJES L 23
[07:54 am] mhaus : happens always :-(
[07:55 am] swingtrader : the obama modification white house short ..he took a line of credit on the white house to pay for jobs
[07:55 am] swingtrader : lol[07:56 am] truck : Obama about to speak
[07:56 am] shark : Europe closing shortly - caveat here too
[07:56 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent any thoughts on S QCOR here
[07:57 am] shark : short AAPL, CMG, LULU here
[07:57 am] ronfrac : I don't trust what OB will say. I rather be flat
[07:57 am] mikewd2 -: yep, joey
[07:57 am] mikewd2 -: WLT moving up
[07:57 am] joeytsa : mikew: might have a "Lone Ranger" trade coming up...Hi Ho Silver
[07:57 am] eyes-inthenow : THanks for Answewring[07:57 am] Brent : not for me Eyes, I'd consider QCOR short at the $28 area
[07:58 am] shark : SPY below 114.38 will break our 9/6 support level - must hold here
[07:59 am] swingtrader : turning panl[07:59 am] shark : lulu
[07:59 am] shark : haha, good one Kris
[07:59 am] sfarrill : lol[07:59 am] joeytsa : yeah Kris...smell that smoke...it's just the future burning
[07:59 am] Brent : lol[08:00 am] ronfrac : He lies. NC did not lay off any teachers.
[08:00 am] eyes-inthenow : PANL just turned
[08:00 am] doji : QCOR hard to Short... stopped
[08:00 am] doji : I should have shorted PANL instead
[08:01 am] swingtrader : yeah cover under 51
[08:01 am] shark : yup, joeytsa, you r right
[08:01 am] shark : SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND
[08:01 am] ronfrac : TNA doesn't like speech
[08:01 am] ronfrac : Let's pass this billo runner upper next Nov.
[08:01 am] joeytsa : that bill won't help
[08:01 am] joeytsa : stock market wants growth and only growth
[08:01 am] joeytsa : busy jobs are great, but they are temporary
[08:02 am] tennisball : pass now-do not read!! yeah that's who he thinks we are, sheep
[08:02 am] swingtrader : lol[08:02 am] swingtrader : focusing
[08:02 am] shark : TZA does...
[08:02 am] Mitch K: good eye on PANL boys
[08:02 am] mikewd2 -: ITMN down 2 from where i got stopped, bummer!
[08:02 am] joeytsa : its called the "mikewd2 stop fade"
[08:03 am] shark : repeat after me, CUT DEFICIT, CUT SPENDING
[08:03 am] mikewd2 -: I know, I'm going to solve that next time
[08:04 am] truck : sounds like tax increase
[08:04 am] shark : "it's full paid for"...lookin' like a magic act to me
[08:04 am] joeytsa : the $$ needs to get stronger so others want to invest here
[08:04 am] joeytsa : no country has ever devalued is currency to prosperity
[08:04 am] joeytsa : govt wants to devalue our $$, run up inflation to help pay debts
[08:06 am] shark : did they say how long this speech is going to be?
[08:06 am] shark : always good to time the Obama trades
[08:06 am] rusty : http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20110912-cii 9-162kb.jpg SPY
[08:06 am] joeytsa : keep eye on bond market, with them running they are telling us the economy is no so good
[08:07 am] shark : I'm out my shorts AAPL, CMG, LULU
[08:07 am] eyes-inthenow : S CMA 22.64 out 22.23
[08:08 am] mikewd2 -: nice eyes
[08:08 am] lightning : L GRA 33.59
[08:09 am] eyes-inthenow : I am Working on Patience
[08:10 am] rusty : flat QCOR
[08:10 am] eyes-inthenow : Did anyone get PANL
[08:11 am] swingtrader : http://finviz.com/chart.ashx?t=PANL&t y=c&ta=1&p=d&s=l
[08:15 am] reacher : Done for today. Good luck everyone.
[08:18 am] doji : Is PANL worth L here?
[08:19 am] swingtrader : you mean short
[08:19 am] swingtrader : Short Doji[08:19 am] doji : 2min stochastics pointing up
[08:20 am] doji : Thanks Kris
[08:21 am] swingtrader : just an idea I am allocating small position short on DNDN just an idea
[08:23 am] swingtrader : http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=dndn&t y=c&ta=1&p=d
[08:23 am] junior : good call VRUS Kris
[08:29 am] swingtrader : my stop in DNDN 11.51
[08:30 am] truck : out CMI
[08:30 am] doji : DNDN moving up swingtrader[08:31 am] swingtrader : is short live
[08:34 am] doji : TNA moving up
[08:34 am] doji : Good to tae TZA L later
[08:35 am] victor51 : Thanks. i am still trying to get use to day trading
[08:35 am] mikewd2 -: may get a chance a bit later today!
[08:35 am] garyb : and I almost bought TNA in premarket at 36
[08:35 am] doji : take
[08:36 am] swingtrader : I don't think Greece will recover ..
[08:37 am] derns : Mitch..what do you make of today's market? I fully expected a significant and continued sell off with the expectation Greece will fail, but it seems to be performing better than that. Is this short covering?
[08:38 am] garyb : I agree derns.....I was expecting a down market too ... but we see some strength
[08:40 am] derns : Kind of interesting...S&P is down 4.47 and TNA is up .19
[08:40 am] mikewd2 -: doubling up on APA L 94.12
[08:41 am] mikewd2 -: SLB L 71.4
[08:44 am] doji : Kris, can you have a look at QCOR for S please?
[08:45 am] rusty : RAJARATNAM SAYS HE'S NOT `CLEAR' ON INSIDER RULES, U.S. SAYS - Bloomberg
[08:50 am] rusty : Bubba gonna teach Raj insider trading rules
[08:51 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent How about now on QCOR
[08:52 am] rusty : or there about
[08:52 am] rusty : GLD lod[08:52 am] lightning : S NVDA 14.19
[08:53 am] apple : coming up on noon reversal - where is gecko?
[08:54 am] eyes-inthenow : Gecko has not been back
[08:55 am] eyes-inthenow : Brent How About now on QCOR
[08:55 am] doji : DNDN S 11.62
[08:58 am] doji : TZA L 48.36 also
[08:58 am] doji : Stochastics on TZA 2min chart up....
[08:59 am] rusty : http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaki ng/chi-caterpillar-ceo-says-company-cant-find -enough-skilled-workers-20110912,0,7463843.st ory
[08:59 am] garyb : lol[08:59 am] garyb : in TZA as well
[08:59 am] garyb : I got too excited and bought earlier!
[08:59 am] garyb : 48.47
[08:59 am] doji : I was looking for the setting on TZA the whole morning
[08:59 am] doji : beat you by 11c Gary!
[09:00 am] doji : Sell all TZA here
[09:00 am] doji : Good 0.96C yeahhhh[09:01 am] garyb : i raised my stop on TZA
[09:01 am] candelas : thx Brent just stopped last 1/4 QCOR
[09:02 am] eyes-inthenow : How are you doing Apple
[09:02 am] doji : Gary watch your 2min stochastics in TZA
[09:03 am] eyes-inthenow : I am good
[09:03 am] apple : wonderful, thx eyes. how about you?
[09:04 am] garyb : I see doji.....I'm also looking at 5min stochastics which just crossed over
[09:04 am] eyes-inthenow : How is your trading going
[09:06 am] garyb : doji....5 min MACD also
[09:06 am] doji : 5min on the TNA or TZA is too long for me on day trade
[09:07 am] doji : They are too volatile
[09:07 am] doji : so 2 or 3min is what I use
[09:07 am] garyb : I use 1, 2, 3 & 5....keep switching around like a madman! lol[09:08 am] doji : The SPY is dropping so it should help TZA
[09:09 am] shark : market like a diminishing Sine Wave -almost like last Tues
[09:12 am] swingtrader : Doji am watching BBY an Enquiring Pattern
[09:13 am] swingtrader : Doji look at the five min Chart
[09:13 am] doji : Yeap, the stochastics is moving up
[09:14 am] doji : Worth staying with TZA as long as the market move down
[09:15 am] swingtrader : Good day
[09:15 am] scalpman : Great day today; See you all tomorrow.
[09:15 am] garyb : Yes..I may hold on a bit to TZA doji[09:15 am] doji : That's good idea Gary
[09:15 am] doji : If your entry was good then you can have a better range to maneuver and track the stock in a longer time frame period
[09:16 am] swingtrader : scalpman good day
[09:16 am] doji : My target was $1.0 so I exit my filled
[09:18 am] mikewd2 -: JPM has 15B in exposure to PIIGS, MS has 2B
[09:20 am] garyb : mike are you in TZA still?
[09:21 am] derns : CNBC..is doom/gloom on the market
[09:22 am] garyb : I get so mad at CNBC!
[09:23 am] mikewd2 -: no, I'm playing SINA, SLB, WLT
[09:23 am] derns : Bad and Sad makes the news
[09:25 am] lightning : I solved the CNBC problem. I stopped watching it about 6 months ago.
[09:26 am] sonorant : hear hear!
[09:26 am] Kris : that's what has worked best for me too matt
[09:26 am] joeytsa : yeah lightning..best to do with most news
[09:26 am] joeytsa : read it as opposed to listen to it
[09:26 am] garyb : lol[09:27 am] rusty : MIPS radar, sudden volume
[09:27 am] candelas : MIPS
[09:28 am] rusty : Starboard Value Delivers Letter To MIPS Technologies
[09:28 am] joeytsa : gold stocks having a rough day
[09:28 am] joeytsa : AEM lod[09:29 am] sonorant : Isn't that rather odd about gold?
[09:29 am] derns : SLV dropping
[09:30 am] joeytsa : with the market down, i would say yes
[09:30 am] joeytsa : something's brewing..just not sure what
[09:31 am] joeytsa : bonds on a tear since end of july[09:32 am] sonorant : Though that isn't much of a hedge against inflation.
[09:32 am] sonorant : Maybe people are stuffing greenbacks under their mattresses....
[09:32 am] mikewd2 -: GS down 40% YTD, glad I have 2013 Leaps - got time
[09:32 am] joeytsa : nope
[09:33 am] joeytsa : the sell date on GS was by mid-feb at the latest
[09:33 am] joeytsa : not a big fan of banks
[09:34 am] mikewd2 -: yes
[09:34 am] mikewd2 -: need SINA to break 105
[09:34 am] joeytsa : mike, short sina?
[09:35 am] storage : did any one short mips[09:35 am] joeytsa : keep close eye on that 104.74 area
[09:36 am] joeytsa : there you go mike
[09:36 am] candelas : yep
[09:39 am] sonorant : I wasn't
[09:40 am] sonorant : I wasn't sure where the turning point was on mips, so I just watched. Did you get it candelas?
[09:40 am] candelas : yes
[09:41 am] joeytsa : the ES ticking down
[09:42 am] mikewd2 -: covered 104.85
[09:42 am] joeytsa : stopped out +3 ticks
[09:44 am] joeytsa : nice job mike, i just took $187.50 on the ES b4 commissions
[09:45 am] mikewd2 -: only got 165
[09:45 am] mikewd2 -: but it all spends!
[09:45 am] joeytsa : maybe i should short SINA from here haha[09:46 am] mikewd2 -: it's bounced twice off that
[09:46 am] mikewd2 -: i was worried about the 104.74 point like you mentioned
[09:46 am] mikewd2 -: good idea, i usually jump the gun
[09:46 am] joeytsa : the "mike stop fade trade" haha[09:46 am] joeytsa : might have to patent that :)
[09:47 am] joeytsa : yeah that was previous close, i always look at that
[09:48 am] joeytsa : after market look at that SINA chart from the open, roughly a 5 point move with a 50% retracement to the previous close
[09:49 am] mikewd2 -: yep, those charts are crystal clear then!
[09:49 am] joeytsa : things are always picture perfect in hindsight though
[09:50 am] joeytsa : but that's what has to be studied until we can see them BEFORE they happen, pattern recognition
[09:51 am] swingtrader : How we are going to create jobs and moving the US economy when EU is pooling us down what difference is going to make ....
[09:51 am] joeytsa : to me, there won't be jobs until demand increases
[09:51 am] joeytsa : sometimes we are wrong, but i try to put the odds on my side as much as i can
[09:52 am] joeytsa : same population that drove the markets big in the 90s, along with the internet revolution
[09:52 am] joeytsa : don't forget, the biggest part of our population has already started to go into retirement/savings mode....
[09:53 am] joeytsa : will also crush housing more i think, but who really knows
[09:54 am] mikewd2 -: i will, moved over to TNA
[09:54 am] joeytsa : mike: still watching SINA?
[09:55 am] joeytsa : depending on how downtrend line is draw, might be a short "redzone"
[09:58 am] mikewd2 -: just keeps hanging there
[09:58 am] mikewd2 -: it wants to fall
[09:58 am] joeytsa : sure does, 105 was the spot
[10:00 am] doji : Gary, still holding TZA or you closed it?
[10:01 am] mikewd2 -: i bet Gary dumped and moved to TNA
[10:03 am] topdogrex : Kris you think will see 83.50 on AGU
[10:03 am] swingtrader : the market is making a cup and handle
[10:03 am] swingtrader : pattern
[10:03 am] mikewd2 -: TNA, TZA giving pretty clear signals
[10:04 am] swingtrader : I am referring to the S&P[10:06 am] swingtrader : LVS showing some strength here again
[10:06 am] mikewd2 -: WLT has provided several 0.50 bounces today
[10:06 am] mikewd2 -: out TNA 38.5, in 38
[10:08 am] mikewd2 -: trying not to get to greedy on these trades, i think we are going to head down big time at some point
[10:08 am] joeytsa : nice trade mike, you are rollin'
[10:09 am] mikewd2 -: starting to get a big too heavy though, need silver to hurry up and break below 40
[10:09 am] mikewd2 -: added to my ZSL position this morning for long
[10:09 am] joeytsa : keep doing what works for you
[10:11 am] joeytsa : mike: ANR another good chart to study, gapped down at open, closed gap and then fell back to open and below
[10:12 am] joeytsa : my problem is i have seen his exact pattern so many times, that sometimes i get in way to quick..shoot first ask questions later
[10:13 am] mikewd2 -: i hear you
[10:13 am] joeytsa : that's where stops come in...
[10:14 am] mikewd2 -: oh yeah, the best thing I've learned from TSA - I was terrible on them before
[10:14 am] joeytsa : i usually get in slower on gap downs, but on gap ups its usually a shoot first trade, goes back to the old uptick rule
[10:14 am] joeytsa : AGQ falling
[10:15 am] mikewd2 -: must be a delayed Obama fall - maybe there is a rerun on one of the channels playing
[10:15 am] joeytsa : haha[10:16 am] mikewd2 -: lol[10:16 am] joeytsa : haven't the past 3 years been a bad rerun :)
[10:17 am] mikewd2 -: wish i understood why silver and gold are down
[10:18 am] lightning : funny, mike. On my iTunes, I happened to be listening to U2's "Silver and Gold" when you asked that.
[10:18 am] joeytsa : you got me, but i am searching to find out
[10:18 am] joeytsa : i had Burl Ives version :)
[10:19 am] lightning : LOL. I buy when the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" starts.
[10:19 am] derns : Mikewd2..if you figure out a logical way to explain silver, I am a listener.
[10:20 am] lightning : joey, is that from the old Rudolph special?
[10:20 am] joeytsa : the only think i can think of with silver is that it's a useable commodity
[10:21 am] mikewd2 -: personally i don't like silver, don't understand why it is this high - i firmly believe its a 28/oz metal. And I'm betting heavy that I'm right
[10:21 am] joeytsa : yeah rudolph[10:21 am] joeytsa : i get the feeling silver will go on a huge run, but not until the world economy shows some life
[10:22 am] lightning : eyes, what broker are you using?
[10:22 am] joeytsa : same with steel..recently 100% of steel stocks were on p&f sell signals, cant get any lower than that
[10:22 am] eyes-inthenow : Does Anyone here know how to trade off of esignal charts
[10:22 am] apple : lol[10:23 am] terry : eyes get the dvd from tsa that shows you how to set up your chart
[10:23 am] eyes-inthenow : place a trade
[10:24 am] mriguy -: Yes eyes. I have IB and trade from the e signal charts.
[10:24 am] mikewd2 -: and I think the Webinar is going to go over that in detail
[10:24 am] lightning : Only some brokerage firms allow you to trade off an e-signal chart.
[10:24 am] eyes-inthenow : no trade off of the chart window
[10:25 am] lightning : But Lightspeed doesn't allow trading from the e-signal chart.
[10:25 am] Kris : can't integrate that way with lightspeed eyes
[10:25 am] eyes-inthenow : ok thanks I just watched a webinar of Ninja trader they are pretty cool
[10:25 am] eyes-inthenow : lightspeed[10:32 am] doji : Here comes the selloff
[10:35 am] swingtrader : POT breaking down ..just watching it
[10:40 am] swingtrader : Watching TNA
[10:40 am] joeytsa : +.75 on TZA, lunch time, see you guys in a little while...good morning so far
[10:54 am] swingtrader : out on TNA
[10:54 am] doji : Wondering why I didn't take TNA L
[10:54 am] doji : L TZA
[10:55 am] swingtrader : thank you Mitch grate call awesome trade
[10:55 am] doji : 49.83
[10:56 am] swingtrader : sold all of it
[10:56 am] swingtrader : nice yehaaaaa finally made a good trade off for the day
[10:56 am] mikewd2 -: 37.25 out 37.80, nice one Mitch
[10:56 am] eyes-inthenow : L TNA .31 out .83
[10:57 am] Mitch K: look for 50.30 on TZA doji[10:57 am] doji : Thanks Mitch
[10:59 am] Mitch K: hey eyes, can you write out the full price, makes it easier to read
[11:00 am] mikewd2 -: good one eyes
[11:00 am] eyes-inthenow : L TNA 37.31 out 37.83
[11:01 am] mikewd2 -: your rolling today, yes>
[11:01 am] eyes-inthenow : 52.00 on 100 shares
[11:02 am] mikewd2 -: about 1.5%
[11:03 am] neuronx : Migt be nice selloff on TNA again
[11:03 am] eyes-inthenow : Mitch is it good to enter here and what's a good stop
[11:04 am] swingtrader : mitch TZA approaching 50.30 mark
[11:06 am] mikewd2 -: 36.75 next target for TNA
[11:06 am] doji : All out TZA 50.78
[11:07 am] pow : Mike, your opinion on tza and zsl and typ. I have been long since last Monday these
[11:07 am] pow : I am using UUP for my guide
[11:07 am] mikewd2 -: i'm very long on ZSL, i'm just day trading TZA, TNA based on the charts.
[11:07 am] doji : almost $1, thanks Mitch
[11:08 am] doji : I know there is no a sell signal on the 2min stochastics but I put my sell order right at the previous high
[11:08 am] doji : and the big jump hit my sell order
[11:09 am] qwert : watching gra[11:09 am] mikewd2 -: pow, i think I'm in a minority on my thoughts on silver going way down! be careful
[11:10 am] qwert : need to see 32.00 area gra[11:10 am] mikewd2 -: as joey always reminds me, put in some stops to protect your gains
[11:12 am] rusty : VIX 43's
[11:12 am] pow : The dollar is rising, and they are selling out of silver and gold becsuse the dollar is rising NOT failing. therefore the market is rising and Metals are over bought.
[11:13 am] mikewd2 -: so since you're up nicely on ZSL, i would put in a trailing stop as it goes up.
[11:19 am] pow : thanks, doing that on ZSL and TZA. Looking for Vix to spike to 80 between now and OCT 4th.. also looking for TNA to take out august lows of 36
[11:22 am] derns : Pow..what is your time frame on looking at TNA to go below 36?
[11:24 am] swingtrader : Watching RIG
[11:24 am] mikewd2 -: another nice bounce on TNA
[11:25 am] lightning : That's it for me today. Thanks TSA and everyone. See you tomorrow.
[11:25 am] joeytsa : not sure if WLT can get that hod[11:25 am] joeytsa : have a good one lightning
[11:26 am] pow : fellows, note that the vix has broken out of its daily bull flag. be aware
[11:26 am] lightning : thanks Joey.
[11:31 am] mikewd2 -: nice call on VC Mitch
[11:33 am] mikewd2 -: out TNA 37.8, in 37.25 - twice in last hour
[11:35 am] joeytsa : nice surge in buying
[11:35 am] derns : BBY
[11:36 am] swingtrader : watch RIG incredible
[11:36 am] joeytsa : WLT shot up nice
[11:36 am] doji : Look at TNA...
[11:37 am] mikewd2 -: got out way too early
[11:37 am] joeytsa : FFIV
[11:37 am] joeytsa : APKT
[11:37 am] doji : Any news in the market for this spike on the SPX?
[11:42 am] garyb : yes I agree...the thing is when you st at the computer ya kinda get the "pulse" of the market....now I have to zone in again
[11:44 am] mikewd2 -: WLT moving up nicely
[11:45 am] garyb : watching tza now for long
[11:49 am] Brent : have a good night apple
[11:49 am] apple : thx MK, K, B and everyone. gotta leave early - dentist appt. today - everyone have a wonderful evening.
[11:50 am] sonorant : Well, I just traded APKT with 10 shares -- my new discipline while I learn to navigate the quick spiky ones. Missed some of those really good mid-morning trades -- working on funding my IB account before the approval runs out.
[11:50 am] mikewd2 -: long TZA
[11:50 am] Kris : see you tomorrow pat
[11:51 am] mikewd2 -: only half position at 49.43
[11:51 am] garyb : man mike..I missed it by a few seconds! stupid order entry I have!
[11:52 am] mikewd2 -: we should have been at 48.65
[11:52 am] garyb : that is why I am opening a tradestation account...I love their Matrix order entry.....really FAST
[11:53 am] mikewd2 -: my price wasn't etrade fault
[11:54 am] garyb : I have mine in for 48.45...but it took too long to confirm...etc...and by that time the price jumped like a wild baboon
[11:55 am] sonorant : I got in with my 10 shares at 48.65, but got out too soon!
[11:55 am] sonorant : And I bet Candelas is trading it perfectly -- both ends!
[11:55 am] garyb : its going to hit 50 again
[11:56 am] sonorant : That's funny, you guys are talking about TZA, and I was looking at APKT
[11:56 am] mikewd2 -: 49.91 out, dang should have went a full position
[11:57 am] mikewd2 -: AKPT looks like a good short
[11:57 am] garyb : tna looks bad on 3 min at this point
[11:57 am] garyb : lol[11:57 am] garyb : I'm switching to look at TNA now
[12:02 pm] sonorant : gary, sounds like you are becoming really flexible!
[12:03 pm] sonorant : I missed them Mitch, was talking to my bank
[12:03 pm] qwert : wynn[12:03 pm] mikewd2 -: twice and then flipped to TZA on sell off
[12:03 pm] mikewd2 -: TNA yes Mitch
[12:04 pm] victor51 : Today is my first trial date and tried VC Very happy
[12:04 pm] Mitch K: nice to hear victor
[12:04 pm] mikewd2 -: my best day so far Mitch, only loser was ITMN - got in too early and stopped out
[12:04 pm] joeytsa : nice job victor
[12:04 pm] garyb : watching TNA now...tried but stopped out...getting ready to buy again
[12:05 pm] mikewd2 -: but bought APA and SLB for swing and both are down a bit
[12:06 pm] joeytsa : very nice mike...you kept a stop, even though in hindsight you were correct
[12:07 pm] mikewd2 -: WLT might have one more bounce in it today
[12:07 pm] garyb : in TNA
[12:07 pm] derns : long TNA
[12:08 pm] mikewd2 -: i'm in too 37.62
[12:08 pm] garyb : me too derns 37.57
[12:09 pm] garyb : sweet...good luck to us!
[12:09 pm] eyes-inthenow : 7 wins no losers just really small I get out way way way to soon working on it thou
[12:10 pm] mikewd2 -: wow, very nice eyes - glad for you
[12:10 pm] mikewd2 -: Mitch, you looking to add TNA for swing or still tooo early?
[12:10 pm] mhaus : great eyes!
[12:10 pm] doji : I got 3 winners but the 1 loser (QCOR) eat all my profits
[12:11 pm] mikewd2 -: thinking of getting some DIG for swing today
[12:12 pm] sonorant : Do you think DIG will go up?
[12:12 pm] mikewd2 -: at some point
[12:12 pm] garyb : me too! lol[12:12 pm] eyes-inthenow : I wanted too but wasn't sure if it was too late on VC
[12:12 pm] derns : Mikewd2...I have the same question...swing TNA?
[12:13 pm] sonorant : My mom has a lot of oil stocks that my brother bought 2 years ago. I tried to get him to sell them in april at the high, and he wouldn't. Now I am looking for an exit.
[12:13 pm] mikewd2 -: i bought some positions for the future today, like SLB, CJES and APA
[12:13 pm] mikewd2 -: and just now DIG
[12:14 pm] sonorant : How long do you intend to hold them mike?
[12:14 pm] mikewd2 -: don't really know sonorant, certainly until the market rebounders and oil goes back over 100
[12:14 pm] mikewd2 -: and holding WLT from a lot higher purchase price
[12:15 pm] sonorant : Oil goes back over 100 on what measure/index?
[12:15 pm] sonorant : (you can tell I'm not saavy about oil)
[12:15 pm] mikewd2 -: WTI
[12:15 pm] mikewd2 -: i'm not saavy on anything, but i do like the stocks i own in the oil industry
[12:16 pm] mikewd2 -: garyb, you going to carry over the TNA? or take a profit if we get a little one
[12:17 pm] mikewd2 -: i don't have a stop on TNA, figured I'm going to hold it - first 500 shares for the next big run
[12:17 pm] garyb : yeh..probably take the profit......I'm waiting it out to take another large swing position for TNA....everything is a little crazy now
[12:18 pm] derns : BBy again
[12:19 pm] mikewd2 -: hope it does, will buy more - don't mind holding a 37.62 for a while. Its only a loser if i sell.
[12:19 pm] mikewd2 -: CNBC discussing BBY now
[12:19 pm] garyb : use it for you core position.....good stuff..the only trouble is that it may go under 36 and then we are in a little trouble for a bit
[12:20 pm] mikewd2 -: yeah, probably tending back to those bad habits.
[12:20 pm] joeytsa : be careful mike
[12:20 pm] garyb : I figure that 36 in TNA is the support line...if it breaks then it will go lower
[12:21 pm] sonorant : Actually, that is not totally true. If you hold those too long, they lose value relative to the stocks. It has to do with the way they do the calculations. If I think about it I might be able to explain it. I held some ETF shorts way too long a few years back and learned about this problem then.
[12:21 pm] mikewd2 -: good point, that's what Mitch said - ok i'll look at selling today
[12:21 pm] joeytsa : don't have to sell...just be careful with the ' it's only a loser if i sell" thought
[12:22 pm] mikewd2 -: try not to buy crappy stocks, haha[12:22 pm] mikewd2 -: right
[12:22 pm] Kris : and your mental resources
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : personally i think all stocks are crap, just 3 or 4 letters i use to put food on the table
[12:22 pm] joeytsa : holding a crappy stock, keeps your money out of "good" stocks...
[12:23 pm] mikewd2 -: that's more of it Kris, your correct
[12:23 pm] mikewd2 -: need those for taxes! lol[12:23 pm] joeytsa : if you buy at 40 and hold it at 5...you still have a loser on your hands
[12:23 pm] eyes-inthenow : Mitch Any thoughts on Swinging TNA
[12:24 pm] mikewd2 -: well were up on TNA now, so it will be gone shortly
[12:24 pm] Kris : that's a common mistake many people new to day trading make. Turning an intra-day trade into a swing
[12:24 pm] joeytsa : that's why i have mentioned that i use separate accounts for each type of trade
[12:24 pm] joeytsa : it's just not on paper yet...just like the banks with foreclosures right now
[12:24 pm] joeytsa : exactly Kris....
[12:24 pm] joeytsa : daytrades are daytrades only
[12:24 pm] derns : Kris...I have made that mistake too many times..I think you said, "it will implode your account"
[12:24 pm] candelas : forgive expression, like turning a prostitute into a housewife
[12:25 pm] joeytsa : lots of the people with these issues weren't trading back in 2000/2001 or even as recent as 2008
[12:25 pm] garyb : nice...we have blastoff in tna[12:26 pm] mikewd2 -: yeah
[12:26 pm] mikewd2 -: took the 38.20 garyb[12:26 pm] mikewd2 -: .58 profit
[12:26 pm] garyb : sweet!
[12:26 pm] garyb : sold it mike?
[12:26 pm] mikewd2 -: 1.5%
[12:27 pm] mikewd2 -: getting late
[12:27 pm] joeytsa : nice
[12:27 pm] garyb : I raised my stop
[12:28 pm] Mitch K: now you have to learn how to hold on to your max profits
[12:28 pm] Mitch K: mikewd2, i think we should wait to see if the market loses that support levels and if it does go down, watch out below. im not buying TNA long as a swing. my guess is market heads down in a very substantial way, starting now
[12:28 pm] mikewd2 -: my best day by far in the trading room, love these days!
[12:28 pm] joeytsa : nice day mike
[12:28 pm] garyb : geez I did not even look at the time! lol[12:29 pm] garyb : Got stopped out Mike of TNA....made around 1%
[12:30 pm] victor51 : I am new to day trading and would like to get help in getting telechart and full view of chart
[12:30 pm] garyb : Yeh...as the price goes up I keep raising the stop...in case it shoots really high...the problem is I don't get the full top sell price!
[12:31 pm] mikewd2 -: victor51 you signed up for the webinar?
[12:31 pm] mikewd2 -: that's especially true on TZA, TNA or other fast movers. I've had stops at and got a dime or more lower before
[12:31 pm] joeytsa : don't worry gary, you can always buy again
[12:32 pm] joeytsa : nice gary..from there trail it up
[12:32 pm] garyb : sometimes I buy.......the stock goes up...I put my stop at where I bought it and let it ride for the day
[12:33 pm] mikewd2 -: wow, i'm up 0.60 on DIG, guess i should dump
[12:33 pm] joeytsa : gotya[12:33 pm] garyb : that's if I have meetings or won't be around...sometimes I do much better! lol[12:36 pm] mikewd2 -: right, closed out the swing
[12:36 pm] mikewd2 -: out of DIG, turned a swing trade into a day is that bad?
[12:36 pm] joeytsa : into a day trade or closed out a swing?
[12:37 pm] mikewd2 -: will look for better price for "real" swing over next few days
[12:37 pm] joeytsa : good idea if you thought the swing was over? you got me haha[12:37 pm] garyb : Mike....I'm being very careful these days with the swings. Like Mitch says, we have to be patient
[12:38 pm] mikewd2 -: nice one garyb[12:38 pm] joeytsa : haha[12:38 pm] garyb : I think once this Europe crap is dealt with we will se a bit of a rally....but that is just my 2 cents (with a stop on 1 cent) lol[12:42 pm] derns : Mitch...over the next week or so?
[12:43 pm] garyb : wow Mitch...so you think we will be in this volatile market for a bit? On the downtrend
[12:43 pm] derns : Maybe early now, but what your thots on a swing for TZA?
[12:44 pm] mikewd2 -: i thought we would sell off this afternoon.
[12:44 pm] garyb : me too
[12:45 pm] mikewd2 -: yeah and DIG
[12:45 pm] mikewd2 -: looking at selling SLB, its up now
[12:45 pm] garyb : sometimes that hurts almost as bad as taking a loss
[12:45 pm] garyb : I guess we should have held on to the TNA huh mike? lol[12:45 pm] doji : Sell off at 15:45?
[12:46 pm] storage : sold my tna too but money in acct. may be gap down
[12:47 pm] swingtrader : gary are you long on TNA swing
[12:47 pm] storage : the market is never wrong
[12:47 pm] mikewd2 -: DJI up for today
[12:47 pm] garyb : no Itacher...sold way too early
[12:47 pm] doji : Markets will close in green, unbelievable
[12:48 pm] swingtrader : The Market are never wrong
[12:49 pm] storage : I am learning and making money thank you guys
[12:49 pm] sonorant : Okay, I think I can explain the problem of holding the leveraged ETFs long term -- when they go down.
[12:49 pm] derns : Kris...an academic question for you...do you think the markets would all be better off by allowing Greece to default?
[12:51 pm] sonorant : Suppose you have a 3x leveraged ETF that is at $40. And suppose it is based on underlyiing stocks worth $100. Then suppose the underlying stocks go up 25% -- to $125. The ETF will zoom up 75% to $70, right?
[12:51 pm] mikewd2 -: right sonorant
[12:51 pm] Kris : Better off for longs or for trading in general Derns?
[12:51 pm] garyb : Yahoo's headline now...... Greece Default Risk Hits 98%-
[12:51 pm] derns : ok..you got me! For longs...better; trading...worse...is that correct?
[12:52 pm] sonorant : But now suppose the stocks come down 20% -- back to the original $100. The ETF will come down 60%. But 60% of $70 is $42, so the ETF will come back down to $38. The stocks ended up where they started, and the ETF ended up below where it began.
[12:52 pm] mikewd2 -: SLB approaching hod[12:52 pm] Kris : For me it's whatever brings the most volatility. I'm not biased one way or the other. I just want volume and greed/fear fluctuations.
[12:53 pm] sonorant : So holding a leveraged ETF through many up and down fluctuations over time can hurt you more than you would expect.
[12:53 pm] Kris : This summer was 20 times better than last summer.
[12:53 pm] Kris : I love this volatility, all summer long.
[12:53 pm] joeytsa : yeah it's been one heck of a summer kris[12:53 pm] joeytsa : great day guys and gals...have a good one !!
[12:53 pm] garyb : yes doji.....sadly we did
[12:53 pm] doji : Did we all miss TNA rally? We'llsee tomorrow
[12:53 pm] derns : Then you like this environment! VIX dominiated[12:54 pm] rusty : http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20110912-ft2 r-150kb.jpg
[12:54 pm] mikewd2 -: sorry up 1
[12:54 pm] mikewd2 -: out SLB up $2, unreal
[12:54 pm] joeytsa : rock it mike !!!
[12:54 pm] joeytsa : best summer i can ever remember actually
[12:55 pm] sonorant : Sorry, bad subtraction. It is worse than I thought. The ETF will come down to $28
[12:59 pm] swingtrader : Good Night all see you all tomorrow good trading good calls Kris Mitch Brent
[12:59 pm] doji : Good night guys... not a good day, QCOR ate my profits....
[01:00 pm] lisas : Night all, thanks Mitch, Kris, Brent, room members for great calls!
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