Chat Highlights From 09/02/2011

TSA Moderator ChatUser Chat
[06:06 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: we are still having this problem of one post from a previous day still on our announcement box.
[06:09 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: the unemployment rate held the same as last month’s report of 9.1% unemployment although an article last night quoting Zuckerman that real rate of unemployment is 19%. The reading of 9.1% is based on those who are applying for unemployment claim within a 6 month period and not counting those whose benefits have expired
[06:10 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: also no increase in non-farm payrolls, worst reading since 12 months ago so the idea of a double dip recession is still possible
[06:11 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: so we are right back into the fear mode we were in
[06:13 am] Brent : Brent : Good morning
[06:15 am] Brent : Brent : and AUY, AEP, AWK, and PGN for possible longs
[06:15 am] Brent : Brent : watching IVR, WCRX, SAI, and DB for possible shorts
[06:25 am] Brent : Brent : I might look for a short below $19.95 on FNSR doji[06:31 am] Brent : Brent : AUY long half
[06:33 am] Brent : Brent : out half AUY
[06:35 am] Brent : Brent : out another 1/4 AUY
[06:36 am] Brent : Brent : short CAT half
[06:41 am] Brent : Brent : watching ATPG for a bounce
[06:42 am] Brent : Brent : look to reduce more AUY if long
[06:45 am] Brent : Brent : watching WM for a bounce
[06:47 am] Brent : Brent : when I post watching for a bounce, I’m looking on the long side
[06:48 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: many stocks bouncing
[06:49 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: not expecting big bounces; also looking for shorts on top of those bounces
[06:50 am] Brent : Brent : SPY approaching hod[06:52 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching for short in MOS soon
[06:53 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider short in TD
[06:55 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching CB for short
[06:57 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider short in V
[06:57 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching for short in NLY around 17.45
[07:01 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: CB and MOS no sell signals yet,
[07:01 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider long in COH, late but more to run
[07:02 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: let them top first, CB and MOS
[07:06 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider closing V short
[07:06 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider small short in AGO
[07:08 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: MOS, CB too strong to short
[07:11 am] Brent : Brent : watching REGN for a short
[07:14 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: watching LVS for short
[07:15 am] Brent : Brent : consider reducing REGN
[07:26 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: consider covering COH
[07:50 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looking for a long entry in TNA soon
[07:50 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: LVS is about finished on this short
[07:50 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: most stocks were decent shorts on top of bounces, even the strong ones like CB, MOS
[07:50 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: not as a swing but a scalp in TNA long
[07:53 am] Brent : Brent : SPY at resistance
[08:13 am] Brent : Brent : SPY looking to test hod[08:15 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: I posted the TNA idea at 750am Pacific time, our time zone. You see my cross hairs there at 750am on the chart?
[08:16 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: It’s a 2 min chart and the stochastics have already turned up, even past the crossing
[08:17 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok, so now what are the stochastics doing on the chart now? you guys answer
[08:20 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: right shark. the stochastics are turning down, now crossed. When the stochastics is at the top of the range, it doesn’t necessarily mean it is ready to sell the first moment it gets there but it should tell you or alert you to be watching for a reversal and even with a cross on a stochastic using 10-8-7 like i have here doesn’t mean it is a sell. only means to be alerted that it will likely turn down fairly soon but it could stay up there for maybe 5-10 minutes (guessing on the time)
[08:21 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: lisas answer: I haven’t been using that kind of chart, OHLC chart to determine support and resistance. i have a little different approach to it. As Dr. Emerson would say “Not wrong, just different”
[08:22 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: see we got a higher high there on that last 2 min candle, stochastics are still at or toward top of range, that can continue for a while, but not like hours or anything, just anywhere from 5 to even 20 minutes on this setting
[08:23 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: let me show you something else, another chart
[08:23 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: lisa, I don’t even use that kind of chart, not using vwap myself but its whatever you get used to
[08:24 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: lightning, i use moving averages, not the macd lately, just trying to simplify my routine so i can see in a quick glance what to do, what is happening
[08:26 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: you guys are hungry animals, like hyenas (without the laugh) or lions
[08:27 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: still same with stochastics, can stay up there for quite a while on big bull runs, it’s what, just a sec
[08:29 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: let me put up a different chart, i have to make this go blank first, just a sec
[08:32 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: scroll down and see the macd at bottom window with indicator? blue and red? the MACD means moving average convergence divergence so it is a moving average. I think lightning asked if I use macd anymore.
[08:34 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: at least not yet but getting close, needs to go down more
[08:34 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok, so the TNA still isn’t giving a sell signal yet…. stochastics hardly turned down, but another tick down to maybe 43.25 area would probably give sell signal
[08:35 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: I think you are early on TZA, you are anticipating the trade. you will have less false signals if you don’t do that, I mean don’t anticipate.
[08:35 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: I’m going to go through this in great detail on the first webinar
[08:36 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: yes you give up some profit potential by not getting as good of a price sometimes but what makes up for that is the percentage of winning trades goes way up and that far outweighs the slightly better prices you get sometimes by anticipating a trade
[08:39 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok, so now anyone who jumped in TZA on that last sell signal with TNA is getting whiplashed and the uncomfortable emotions start creeping in here. then you start second guessing yourself. Then you have lower confidence, etc. This is exactly what EYES is going through. Not trying to use you EYES as a whipping boy, but it is the classic thing i see all the time. If you don’t work out a strategy really well and learn it on a practice platform, over a period of 2-3 months, you won’t have built up the confidence to trust anything.
[08:40 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: something to remember about TZA and TNA is they are 3 to 1 leverage ETFs
[08:40 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: you have to remember that 2-3 months isn’t a long time. How long did it take some of you to finish college, graduate school, medical school, internship, residency? There are a bunch of doctors in here, Rusty, Harvey, MD., Mark, more
[08:41 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: I’m just saying you can afford to study for several months in practice without real money. And what do you get in return?
[08:42 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok doji, that’s 6 years of hard study, 4 undergrad plus at least 2 or 3 years for masters
[08:53 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok so now we are getting a sell signal on TNA so what you do is try to get a better price than the current price of 43.45
[08:54 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: maybe 43.55 on TNA would be good
[08:55 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok, so you would have gotten 43.55 just now you guys see that?
[08:57 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: not sure what you are asking lisa[09:29 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok so who is long TZA? you don’t want to be shorting TNA when you saw a sell signal, this isn’t a stock, you want to buy long the inverse etf, which is TZA
[09:30 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: the blue circle was your buy signal same time we had a sell signal in TNA,
[09:31 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: DOJI, what was your sell signal in TZA look at that macd, pointing up since the time i said sell signal in TNA
[09:33 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: it was the 854am pacific time when I said maybe 43.55 on TNA would be good and TNA was at 43.45 and I was suggesting to try to get a better price that .45, maybe 43.55 and it moved up to that and around 43.57 so some of you filled
[09:33 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: no sell signal yet in TZA. this announcement box is screwed up today, flash apps are like this
[09:34 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok doji, that’s good price, then when did you sell
[09:34 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: time and price
[09:36 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: yes garyb, we should get a good long entry in TNA fairly soon I’m watching both, but mostly TZA
[09:39 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: when you see higher highs like this in TZA, no reason to sell
[09:46 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: ok, here is your exit in TZA and entry into TZA but try to get better prices you don’t have a lot of time to get better prices, maybe 30 sec to 1 min max ok, on this pullback here in TNA, that’s where you fill your long, 42.70 something like that
[09:47 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: and you are getting better prices to sell the TZa, you guys see what I’m talking about
[09:49 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: on a stock, you aren’t entering the opposite trade and you can hold off on buying TNA as well, just for more assurance you are reading it right but my whole point was about getting more profit out of a trade
[11:15 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looks like most of the gains are given back yesterday and today another down day on Tuesday should give us another good long opportunity on swing trades
[11:16 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: looks like most of the gains are given back yesterday and today another down day on Tuesday should give us another good long opportunity on swing trades that is daily chart here on TNA
[11:16 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: this is UPRO etf, 2 to 1 leveraged etf, more downside to this one, maybe 50 next week would be better for long
[11:20 am] Mitch K: Mitch King: should get a bounce here
[12:59 pm] Brent : Brent : you too guys. Have a great weekend, see you Tuesday. Hold onto your mouse…..Kert’s back
[01:04 pm] Mitch K: Mitch King: later guys, see you tuesday
[06:07 am] doji : Candelas, what do you think S FNSR from the open?
[06:08 am] candelas : i have it short at 20.68
[06:09 am] doji : Did you short it yesterday in the post market?
[06:10 am] candelas : yes that was a post market
[06:11 am] garyb : So Mitch, with all this info what kind of day do you project? Probably heading down considering we are in front of a long weekend as well?
[06:18 am] doji : Brent any idea on how to trade FNSR? I was thinking of S at the opening since the market is in negative mode this morning
[06:20 am] garyb : I would think that TZA would be a good play today
[06:30 am] sonorant : LQDT short? yes?
[06:37 am] doji : FNSR S 20.2 closed 19.7
[06:37 am] garyb : in TZA
[06:41 am] cowboyh : sprd turning up
[06:44 am] rusty : JVA hod radar
[06:45 am] mikewd2 -: JVA
[06:46 am] lisas : Brent, do you go long on the bounces, or do you watch the bounce to short it?
[06:51 am] anthonyb : I’m long WM @ 31.20
[06:51 am] anthonyb : out FNSR long + .46
[06:52 am] ltacher : scam alert on svm accounting
[06:54 am] anthonyb : out WM only +.05
[06:54 am] mikewd2 -: TD just mentioned on CNBC, but didn’t pay attention to topic
[06:55 am] anthonyb : missed TD
[06:55 am] ltacher : Mitch is TIN a good short here ?
[07:02 am] anthonyb : I was a bit too soon on MOS. Took a small loss. I’ll be more patient on CB
[07:04 am] lightning: Seemed to me that MOS had a sell signal at 9:57 candle. Not clear why this wasn’t one.
[07:04 am] sonorant: Mitch, what are you looking at to determine the top in CB and MOS? I tried to go in a while back, and it (obviously) didn’t work.
[07:05 am] anthonyb : I took it lightning
[07:05 am] anthonyb : water under the bridge no biggie
[07:06 am] lightning : anthonyb, me too. and I agree no biggie, but trying to make sure I see things how Mitch sees them.
[07:07 am] anthonyb : It seems I’m always a little late or a little early lol[07:08 am] anthonyb : UPS
[07:08 am] ltacher : I like AGO short small position here
[07:09 am] ltacher : and long Coach my wife love that store
[07:11 am] ltacher : come to me AGO drop like is no tomorrow
[07:11 am] mikewd2 -: playing TZA, TNA along the trend lines
[07:12 am] ltacher : 50c profit
[07:12 am] ltacher : Mitch I placed a stop 13.51 on ago and limit to sell at 12.52
[07:14 am] doji : That is a big spread Itacher[07:15 am] doji : SPY has been moving from 118 to 119 in 45min with a slight upside trend
[07:18 am] ltacher : Mitch still money in LVS as short
[07:20 am] qwert : ago slooooooow[07:21 am] ltacher : i like these qwert no worries it give time to think..
[07:21 am] qwert : no worries here either
[07:21 am] qwert : stop set
[07:22 am] ltacher : i think stock don’t give you time to think is problem remember on the other side you are dealing with another human
[07:22 am] mikewd2 -: or a computer
[07:23 am] candelas : exactly, thinking only slows u down
[07:23 am] candelas : u got it
[07:23 am] garyb : mike how is it going for you for TZA & TNA?
[07:23 am] qwert : need to use right side of brain
[07:24 am] ltacher : AGO drop like a bomb ..
[07:24 am] ltacher : here she comes
[07:24 am] mikewd2 -: good in/out twice each along trend lines
[07:25 am] ltacher : Brent let me ask you, you like to think when you are trading ?
[07:26 am] Brent : no, I try not to think
[07:26 am] Brent : same as in high school
[07:26 am] lightning : COH was a long call.
[07:27 am] doji : Yeah lightning, I’ll cover here for a small loss
[07:27 am] ltacher : oh wow candelas said the same thing.. I wonder you guys went to the same high school …
[07:28 am] doji : FNSR looking strong
[07:28 am] ronfrac : This mkt is getting into a RUT!
[07:29 am] doji : What is Rut Ron?
[07:30 am] anthonyb : orcl looking weak?
[07:31 am] candelas : regn the stock that keeps on giving both ways
[07:31 am] candelas : thx for REgn Brent
[07:31 am] mikewd2 -: TNA, TZA broke the trend line
[07:34 am] mikewd2 -: TNA bounce around 42.65?
[07:36 am] anthonyb : AGO looking good
[07:37 am] qwert : took 1/2 at vwap AGO
[07:40 am] mikewd2 -: TNA touched 42.65
[07:41 am] doji : FNSR in a trend line
[07:41 am] mikewd2 -: we touch it again i may go long
[07:43 am] mikewd2 -: bummed, should have picked up TNA 42.65
[07:44 am] doji : FNSR broke trend line
[07:44 am] mikewd2 -: there it is again
[07:45 am] mikewd2 -: 42.15 next?
[07:45 am] shark : market looking to retest lows
[07:46 am] ltacher : treasury rally big time
[07:47 am] anthonyb : Mitch, will it be possible to ask questions during the webinar?
[07:47 am] candelas : tlt had nice gap up, missed it
[07:48 am] anthonyb : did anyone short UPS?
[07:48 am] Brent : we will have a Q&A session after each topic anthonyb[07:48 am] ltacher : Gold going up .. wow where are we heading .. for us does not matter because we just trader for those people in the 401 k getting kill
[07:48 am] mikewd2 -: i hope not or we will never get thru the sessions, haha[07:50 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch you looking for 42.15?
[07:51 am] mikewd2 -: if volume picks up?
[07:58 am] anthonyb : Mitch, Brent, Thanks for all the help. I’m calling it a day. Heading to the bahamas in a few hours. I hope everyone enjoys their weekend
[07:58 am] lightning : anthony, have a great time!
[07:59 am] anthonyb : I wish lightning, I’m working
[07:59 am] mikewd2 -: wow, enjoy anthonyb[08:00 am] mikewd2 -: this market is hard to trade today
[08:01 am] ferrazzi : CVS
[08:01 am] mikewd2 -: although 6/6 and in nothing currently
[08:02 am] reacher : Mitch, how’d you know TNA would take off? Time of day ?????[08:10 am] qwert : c’mon die ago
[08:14 am] doji : An I agree with Mike that today has been a tough day for day trading
[08:14 am] doji : Yes Gecko love that…. by the way, is Gecko here?
[08:14 am] Mitch K: no reacher, i don’t go by the time of day, that’s Geckos thing. let me go through this
[08:14 am] shark : good job on TNA, Mitch
[08:15 am] ltacher : qwert how are you doing with your AGO
[08:16 am] qwert : still have 1/2 itacher[08:16 am] shark : I see it, M
[08:17 am] doji : Sell
[08:17 am] doji : Turning dows[08:17 am] ltacher : turning a bit down
[08:17 am] shark : black one is crossing back down below the blue
[08:18 am] mikewd2 -: so buy TZA
[08:18 am] pirate : saying its more overbought than previous high but price is still lower
[08:18 am] ronfrac : sl signal developing
[08:18 am] scalpman : turning over
[08:19 am] lisas : Mitch, would you consider that 43.00 is a support area and watch for that?
[08:19 am] scalpman : …well stochs flat
[08:19 am] scalpman : ..at the top
[08:19 am] shark : fast stochastic breaking thru slow stochastic
[08:19 am] sonorant : still not a downward turn on slow stochastic
[08:22 am] lisas : On my chart, vwap is at 43.02, and it’s even number, but noticed the OHLC. Do you find those are respected more?
[08:22 am] scalpman : Lisas, I agree with 43.00 as the bottom of the channel
[08:22 am] sonorant : So, Mitch, then what is the definitive sell signal (buy)
[08:23 am] lightning : in Vegas, the MACD was important to you, I thought. Are you no longer using it?
[08:23 am] lisas : are your watching the 2 min more now. I have 1 min and 3 min, but 3 min always seems to lag
[08:23 am] scalpman : ..a drop might touch 43.10, so I would watch from there for the breakdown.
[08:23 am] sonorant : Two minute chart rather than one minute?
[08:24 am] lightning : got it. thanks.
[08:24 am] scalpman : ..it touched the channel on that drop..
[08:24 am] scalpman : but nearing the top on this run…I think…going sideways
[08:24 am] scalpman : but rebounded..
[08:24 am] shark : Mitch, you have a 10, 7 stochastic with an (8) in parenthesis. ??
[08:25 am] scalpman : If rebound make new high…still up…
[08:25 am] shark : TNA breaking above the 100 min moving average resistance level
[08:26 am] lisas : I would like to see a higher high, guess it heard me, lol[08:26 am] mikewd2 -: anyone on etrade, what Stochastic chart is nearest the one Mitch has up.
[08:26 am] mikewd2 -: etrade shows full, fast and slow, then you can set up %k, %d
[08:26 am] scalpman : I think Mitch uses full, right?
[08:26 am] scalpman : Mike it has full and fast
[08:27 am] lisas : have a quarter position still on, but need to make up a slightly down day so far
[08:28 am] doji : Use FNSR
[08:30 am] scalpman : Watch MOS for drop
[08:31 am] candelas : REGN
[08:34 am] scalpman : 45.11
[08:34 am] scalpman : I am Long TZA
[08:35 am] ronfrac : scalp: I’m long tza also.
[08:35 am] scalpman : So mitch, I am early on TZA?
[08:35 am] stevemld : REGN must have announced the cure for cancer lol[08:36 am] doji : Can you show in real-time in TZA when is a sell signal Mitch?
[08:36 am] doji : sorry buy signal
[08:36 am] lightning : so the sell signal isn’t the turn on stochastics, the cross on stochastics or the turn on MACD?
[08:37 am] doji : FNSR resistance at 22
[08:37 am] scalpman : I think that is often my problem in jumping in on the potential rather than wait for the signal.
[08:37 am] scalpman : Thanks Mitch I see.
[08:38 am] mikewd2 -: and I’m in TZA also
[08:38 am] mikewd2 -: i do that also scalpman[08:39 am] ltacher : Mitch any idea how can i deal with the inverse on the 20 ma and the inverse of the stochastic
[08:40 am] candelas : REGN the stock that keeps giving
[08:40 am] mando : 3years for law school Mitch
[08:40 am] scalpman : Yes…I’m stopped out with tight stop..
[08:41 am] doji : I have a Master
[08:41 am] doji : in Engineering by the way
[08:41 am] ltacher : when they both give you two totally different signals
[08:41 am] mikewd2 -: no wonder it takes so long to see a doctor, they trade between patients.
[08:41 am] shark : that’s it MikeWd2. LOL
[08:42 am] ltacher : very true Shark
[08:42 am] shark : I’m a pilot that likes to dive, but not on the same day
[08:43 am] candelas : all out REGN
[08:43 am] doji : And not even that, that is only theory, the real challenge start when you start to work
[08:44 am] candelas : quick lunch break be back
[08:44 am] doji : no experience and it’s like to a new starting
[08:45 am] truck : out TGT, 50.35,,,plus .30
[08:49 am] ltacher : I see my Dr all the time and see him with his Ipod trading every time i see him he ask me for a tip no wonder … i toll him take of me first and then give you the tip ..lol[08:50 am] ltacher : AGO is wonderful Mitch
[08:51 am] stevemld : nice reversal REGN
[08:53 am] scalpman : Mitch, Sell signal on TNA?
[08:53 am] truck : did you get the short Steve,,,REGN ?
[08:54 am] derns : Stevemld/others who mentioned REGN…Thx..I wasn’t watching, but saw your notes ‘n closed a small long I had in my daughter’s account for several weeks, then went short…from 67.67. thx
[08:54 am] stevemld : got it on the second try truck whipsawed me on the first
[08:54 am] truck : I missed it…Watching something else..
[08:55 am] lisas : Got filled at 43.55
[08:55 am] scalpman : TNA S 43.55
[08:56 am] anthonyb : my flight is not until 5
[08:56 am] lisas : Now, do you watch indicators for target, or price levels?
[08:56 am] ltacher : lisas are you short or long
[08:56 am] storage : ut limit sell half way up last can
[08:57 am] lightning : yes, Mitch. I don’t quite understand what specifically gave you the sell sign at 8:53 (pacific). The Stoch and MACD had been moving down for a few minutes by then
[08:57 am] lisas : short
[08:57 am] lisas : Target to exit short on TNA, or targets, how do you manage once in? I tend to exit too soon
[08:58 am] scalpman : I believe all three indicators were then aligned for the sell.
[08:58 am] scalpman : The blue moving average crossed the red in the main chart
[08:59 am] scalpman : 1% is 43ish for first profit
[08:59 am] scalpman : Covering 1/2 at 43.09 at vWAP[09:00 am] lisas : ty scalpman[09:00 am] stevemld : looking for 64.80 on last third REGN probably wont get there
[09:01 am] gecko : nice little up candle
[09:01 am] gecko : noon baby
[09:02 am] scalpman : Mitch, TNA rebounding,,,but appears a retrace only…maybe 50% and further drop…
[09:04 am] monster : rimm[09:04 am] scalpman : Mitch thoughts on profit taking TNA
[09:07 am] shark : SPY testing hod[09:08 am] garyb : One thing I need to learn is…..sometimes the Stochastics and MACD look good on the 1 minute to BUY….but look bad on the 5 minute.
[09:08 am] shark : garyb -mitch has his chart set up on a 2 min.
[09:09 am] garyb : So I try to wait till Stochastics and MACD are turning on both….I will look at 2 min…thanks shark
[09:09 am] lisas : They use the 1 min as an alert
[09:09 am] scalpman : Out 1/2 TNA…
[09:09 am] shark : 5 min is a long time for scalping
[09:10 am] garyb : I keep switching to all these timeframes like a madman lol[09:10 am] ltacher : Alert Idea ESL dropping big time
[09:10 am] scalpman : A little early….Mitch ….insight here?
[09:11 am] lisas : GaryB, can you set them up all together on one chart, that is the best way
[09:12 am] lisas : I have 3 vertical, 1 min, 2 min, and daily.
[09:12 am] ltacher : shares dropped 12% after the aerospace-and-defense-parts maker projected 2011 per-share earnings below analysts’ estimates
[09:12 am] monster : BK hod break
[09:13 am] garyb : Thanks lisas…I should probably do that but I have 2 screens and the real-estate on both is pretty packed as it is…maybe I need 2 more screens
[09:14 am] doji : Buy singal TNA?
[09:14 am] garyb : Look at Mitch’s chart on right……shows exactly the crossover in stochastics…love it!
[09:15 am] garyb : But on 5 min everything points down
[09:17 am] scalpman : Out another 1/4 TNA S
[09:18 am] lisas : Out last of TNA. Don’t think we should buy until ma’s flatten, or macd flattens or turns up. Does that sound correct?
[09:18 am] ltacher : nice scalpman[09:18 am] scalpman : Last piece stop at 43.51 TNA S
[09:19 am] garyb : I have a stop on TNA for 42.95
[09:20 am] ronfrac : 15min chart on TZA STOC crossed up while TNA 15 min tstoc turned down. TNA stayed overbid for about 50 minutes.
[09:21 am] Brent : have a great weekend salpman[09:21 am] scalpman : Got to go. Thanks Mitch for that excellent insight TNA entry. Very useful. See you all Tuesday!
[09:25 am] ltacher : trading SVM
[09:26 am] mikewd2 -: as a short?
[09:27 am] mikewd2 -: i must be missing something on SVM, i don’t see much of a trade
[09:28 am] ltacher : next support 7.65…
[09:28 am] ltacher : taking profit
[09:28 am] ltacher : yeah i took it at 8.01
[09:30 am] doji : I was but closed it too early for an small profit
[09:30 am] ltacher : fear ..
[09:30 am] ltacher : http://silvercorpmetals.com/news/2011/index.p hp?&content_id=304 mike
[09:30 am] mikewd2 -: out at 45.55
[09:31 am] garyb : glad I got stopped out on TNA
[09:31 am] mikewd2 -: interesting letter, surprise it didn’t tank more than that
[09:31 am] sonorant : same here — closed too early
[09:32 am] doji : No sell signal Mitch, I had a limit sell order at 45.6 and was filled
[09:33 am] doji : I did go long at the buy signal at around 45.13
[09:33 am] garyb : now that TNA is dropping we will probably see a buy signal at some point Mitch?
[09:34 am] doji : 12:24 ET, 45.6
[09:34 am] doji : TZA
[09:34 am] sonorant : Yes, went long TZA
[09:35 am] ltacher : I am out the trade already ..
[09:35 am] ltacher : yeah I guess it will with time
[09:36 am] garyb : Thanks you Mitch..I have my eye glued to the 1,2,3,5 minute charts!
[09:36 am] mikewd2 -: i got out of TZA early, got confused by your comment at 9;29
[09:36 am] Mitch K: are you still long TZA sonorant
[09:37 am] Mitch K: ok doji, i don’t see any sell signal in TZA there, not even a hint,
[09:37 am] sonorant : No, stopped out
[09:38 am] doji : Usually I move my sell orders as the price move but the spike was too quick that didn’t allow me to change it
[09:38 am] doji : Yes Mitch, I said I place a limit order and it was filled…
[09:38 am] mikewd2 -: you don’t want to be shorting TNA when you saw a sell signal. did you mean TZA at 9:29
[09:38 am] storage : watching and learning Mitch
[09:39 am] doji : It spiked from 44.4 to 44.67
[09:39 am] storage : watching and learning Mitch
[09:40 am] doji : I fully agree with that
[09:40 am] sonorant : What about the downturn at 9:06/9:08?
[09:41 am] candelas : back
[09:41 am] ltacher : doji is an art ..what Mitch is saying it needs practice ..I have two three windows in my computer one is Simulatior trades and one for real trades if I’m not sure on a trade i take it on the simulator and if I’m 300 percent on a trade i will take it with real money just my point of view
[09:42 am] doji : That’s good Itacher[09:44 am] ltacher : is grate to do that I have lost money in the past that would minimized the losing trades Vs wining trades I rather have my losing trades in my simulator and wining trade in my real money trades lol it does not always work that way but
[09:46 am] doji : Entry TNA
[09:50 am] garyb : Mitch….would you put a stop now on TNA around 42.51?
[09:50 am] tennisball : tna long @ 42.71
[09:51 am] Mitch K: i got to help some people here for about half an hour
[09:51 am] neuronx : Mitch what u think about TD long>?
[09:52 am] Brent : there’s not enough potential in TD for me neuronx[09:52 am] doji : Gary, I have my stop at 42.49
[09:52 am] doji : I am TNA long at 42.73
[09:53 am] doji : Trying not to look at the money but the Stochastics[09:53 am] garyb : TNA 42.68
[09:53 am] garyb : TNA needs a little blue pill! lol[09:54 am] mikewd2 -: TNA looks weak to me, but i’m in at 42.70
[09:55 am] doji : The 5 SMA need to cross the 20SMA move upward
[09:55 am] garyb : it does look weak Mike…….I think being a friday of a long weekend might have something to do with it…plus the job #s sucked
[09:56 am] Brent : yeah, tough to find volume on a Friday before the 3 day weekend mikewd2
[09:56 am] mikewd2 -: we are seeing no real volume spikes
[09:56 am] sonorant : long TNA $42.69
[09:57 am] sonorant : So it looks flat here….. Do we just wait? Is this the hunter part?
[09:58 am] garyb : no wind for the sails!
[09:58 am] mikewd2 -: time to reflect
[09:58 am] sonorant : And what would an exit strategy look like?
[09:58 am] sonorant : There is actually way more to learn when things don’t go perfectly.
[09:59 am] garyb : good way to look at it sonorant
[10:01 am] doji : Stopped…. agggghhhh[10:01 am] garyb : My stop just got hit
[10:01 am] sonorant : Stopped out too
[10:02 am] garyb : In this case I am happy about the stop……whew!
[10:02 am] ltacher : the typing is a lot may use it
[10:02 am] mikewd2 -: I’m out too, maybe mitch gave us that one to test our stop strategy.
[10:02 am] sonorant : And I moved it down a little…
[10:03 am] doji : Now I am in the red for the day…. well you cannot win all
[10:03 am] garyb : Let’s face it….TNA is weak today……I think we will see more stregnth next week
[10:03 am] michael : the process was good< we just got stuck in a consolidation that went south instead of north
[10:03 am] sonorant : If I hadn’t been worried about getting yelled at by Mitch, I would have set that stop tighter…..
[10:03 am] vans : still trying to see what the long signal was. Have 2min and 1 min chart set at SMA 20 and WMA 5, 10-8-7 on sto. No cross over on 2 min chart. 5 still below 20. Something set wrong?
[10:04 am] doji : me too Sonorant
[10:04 am] garyb : probably sonorant…..I’m thinking I should do opposite what I think I should do! lol[10:04 am] sonorant : And should we be grabbing TZA?
[10:04 am] sonorant : Or should we all have grabbed a little TZA as it meandered around in that channel?
[10:04 am] sonorant : Vans question is really important. What were the signals. Brent?
[10:07 am] doji : long FNSR @ 21.02
[10:08 am] Brent : I trade different strategies Sonarant/Vans, so I can’t answer that
[10:08 am] sonorant : Thanks Brent. Are you at the same location as Mitch?
[10:10 am] doji : 20.8 Mike
[10:10 am] mikewd2 -: where’s your stop on FNSR, doji?
[10:11 am] ltacher : mike still watching SVM if it breaks 7.50 is going to get ugly
[10:11 am] mikewd2 -: yeah that letter wasn’t too good.
[10:13 am] Brent : I live about 30min from Mitch
[10:14 am] Brent : no, I trade from my house, then go over there in the afternoon
[10:14 am] ltacher : qwert how did you do with AGO
[10:14 am] mikewd2 -: are you still short?
[10:14 am] mikewd2 -: SVM getting larger volume , it’s gonna go
[10:14 am] qwert : still in
[10:14 am] sonorant : So are you at his office then with all those monitors, (Brent)?
[10:15 am] Brent : I started to get too tan sitting in front of all his monitors
[10:15 am] ltacher : I got out at 7.74
[10:15 am] qwert : itacher i have tgt of 12.60 ago
[10:16 am] Brent : I call his office “the tanning bed”
[10:16 am] ltacher : yeah
[10:16 am] qwert : are you still in ago itacher[10:16 am] qwert : what is your tgt?
[10:17 am] doji : AGO is a short right Itacher?
[10:17 am] ltacher : I places a bracket order12:50
[10:17 am] ltacher : yeah very turtle one but i like those
[10:18 am] doji : If the market finish lower (as it’s supposed to be), then you would be fine with AGO Itacher[10:18 am] ltacher : are you using trailing stops?
[10:18 am] qwert : i just keep bumping down my stop to protect profit
[10:18 am] qwert : no manual
[10:19 am] derns : Garyb…I agree…it is ugly out there!
[10:19 am] garyb : Today reminds me of mid-august when everything was dropping and no real rebounds
[10:19 am] qwert : i won’t take it home for weekend
[10:20 am] doji : TNA dropped 1 point from where I got for a long… good to have a tight stop for 20c loss
[10:20 am] garyb : and I had a swing in TNA….I should have sold it at 50……live & learn!
[10:20 am] ltacher : I am thinking the market is moving lower but I am looking at the chart looks like broke every single trend line in 1m 2 m 3m 4 m 5m etc[10:20 am] qwert : itacher where do you have your stop on ago
[10:21 am] doji : Are you still in FNSR Mike? I could go either direction from here
[10:21 am] ltacher : my stop now is at 13.05
[10:21 am] ltacher : ups no sorry ..12.89
[10:21 am] mikewd2 -: yeah,
[10:22 am] doji : SPX is at 2.14% drop today
[10:22 am] ltacher : is trailing move down with the stop sorry about that
[10:22 am] qwert : i have mine at 12.91 just above vwap and 50sma 3 min
[10:22 am] sonorant : Indicators on TZA/TNA almost crossing — Mitch’s 10-8-7 stochastics[10:23 am] doji : for confirmation
[10:23 am] doji : Look at the SMA… they are far away from each other… Mitch said he uses Stochastics and the MA
[10:23 am] ltacher : very good
[10:23 am] sonorant : moving avg lines still far apart
[10:24 am] doji : You are right Sonorant
[10:24 am] sonorant : But I am holding my TZA — which I bought later than I should have.
[10:24 am] sonorant : The catch is that the placement of those lines changes after the fact due to more data — always looks perfect 30 bars later.
[10:25 am] doji : an now the one million $$ question
[10:25 am] doji : That was a good short Mike, right at the second help short
[10:25 am] doji : Unfortunately I sold my TZA too early.. I am still in red
[10:25 am] mikewd2 -: shorted SVM at 7.6
[10:26 am] doji : BAC?
[10:26 am] doji : Mike
[10:26 am] doji : No. I missed my chance at $7.55…
[10:26 am] doji : What was your sell signal?
[10:26 am] ltacher : din’t you shorted this morning ?
[10:26 am] ltacher : Doji I am looking at BAC looks like is dropping hard
[10:26 am] ltacher : yeah
[10:26 am] mikewd2 -: macd, stoch crossed
[10:27 am] doji : I have it the other way around… that’s OK
[10:27 am] doji : in the pre-market
[10:27 am] ltacher : BAC
[10:27 am] ltacher : Doji do you know the pre market low ?
[10:28 am] doji : right before the open, 7.29
[10:28 am] mikewd2 -: it’s at all-time lows
[10:28 am] mikewd2 -: problem is don’t know what my target is on SVM
[10:28 am] rusty : BAC was 7.30’s premarket
[10:29 am] doji : Brent should be able to help on that
[10:29 am] doji : for 1 cent
[10:29 am] doji : I’d keep it long, it’s weak in a weak market
[10:29 am] doji : You were totally wrong Rusty… lol[10:29 am] mikewd2 -: fall SVM
[10:29 am] mikewd2 -: sorry wrong stock
[10:30 am] Brent : are you still a full position mikewd?
[10:30 am] doji : sorry short
[10:30 am] doji : TNA and TZA frozen
[10:30 am] doji : TZA
[10:30 am] doji : Who bet which will move up?
[10:31 am] garyb : TNA
[10:31 am] garyb : yeh…people don’t want to hold over weekend…selling off
[10:31 am] ltacher : that was a good call mike
[10:31 am] sonorant : I am also long TNA now 41.84
[10:31 am] sonorant : I am still long TZA from 46.26 — just 100 shr[10:31 am] vans : bet spy goes to open , so tza up
[10:32 am] Brent : $7.00 will have some support
[10:32 am] Brent : I think 7.05 area is a good target on SVM
[10:32 am] derns : Vans…what was the SPY open?
[10:32 am] mikewd2 -: got lucky on that bounce, if it went straight down i was going in on it.
[10:32 am] mikewd2 -: thanks Brent
[10:32 am] vans : 118.10
[10:33 am] doji : An the winner is…….Gary!
[10:33 am] ronfrac : I’m ahead on the day and flat. Think I’ll call it a day. All you can do now is get whipsaw all. wed. Have a great weekend
[10:34 am] jbauschka : SVM tanking due to fraud allegations. Support kind of goes out the window when you have fraud charges. Anonymous letter by the way.
[10:34 am] mikewd2 -: out SVM, 7.1
[10:35 am] mikewd2 -: should have shorted much earlier when you did, but like jbauschka you never know on fraud.
[10:36 am] garyb : doji .. man what a false breakout there in TNA huh? wow
[10:36 am] ltacher : yeah it can’t stop trading
[10:37 am] ltacher : mike only when it closes I guess ..
[10:38 am] ltacher : 12.69
[10:38 am] ltacher : here it comes AGO
[10:38 am] qwert : die ago die
[10:38 am] rusty : covered 1/2 LQDT out of boredom
[10:39 am] ltacher : qwert nice ..big red ugly candle stick look it that
[10:40 am] qwert : been slow today playing angry birds on my phone lol[10:40 am] qwert : love it
[10:41 am] Brent : you still in SVM mikewd?
[10:43 am] mikewd2 -: no, i got stopped out at 7.1
[10:44 am] Brent : nice work mikewd2, great trade
[10:44 am] doji : New hod in TZA
[10:44 am] mikewd2 -: thanks, owe it to Itacher and the little bounce up at the lod[10:44 am] vans : sly should hit this time
[10:45 am] garyb : I hear you mike…
[10:45 am] mikewd2 -: although don’t really like the ones that end in lost.
[10:45 am] mikewd2 -: got stopped on FNSR, doji.
[10:45 am] mikewd2 -: starting to really like stops
[10:45 am] sonorant : I missed my 10:15 scanner class!!!
[10:46 am] Brent : are you undercover swingtrader?
[10:46 am] swingtrader : okay change my name to my real Identity
[10:47 am] swingtrader : no ltacher[10:47 am] swingtrader : they call me 007 but i only use a water gun in the summer time [10:47 am] Brent : lol, nice. You new to the room?
[10:48 am] Brent : lol[10:48 am] doji : Is that you Itcaher?
[10:48 am] swingtrader : thank you tough
[10:48 am] swingtrader : yeah I just got my name change
[10:48 am] vans : spy showing a lot of hesitation to hit open, may mean nice play is hits.
[10:50 am] doji : Put it back to Itacher or I remove your name from mt list… lol[10:52 am] mikewd2 -: TNA a buy?
[10:53 am] Brent : Itacher Ochocinco[10:53 am] doji : Good Rusty
[10:53 am] mikewd2 -: TNA giving little head fakes
[10:53 am] swingtrader : canbio y fuera Brent
[10:54 am] doji : Doji_Itacher_SwingTrader_Candelas_Apple_Rusty _….
[10:54 am] doji : Ok guys, I’ll change my name also
[10:54 am] garyb : Mike….TNA is not strong today in my experience…keep getting stopped out……trying to wait
[10:54 am] rusty : de los reyes[10:54 am] sonorant : Doesn’t the spy have a bounce point a little further down?
[10:55 am] doji : SVM could have a good long
[10:55 am] mikewd2 -: i was looking for a short at 7.65’ish
[10:55 am] swingtrader : i think the call on TZA was in the morning at 45
[10:56 am] doji : Itacher, you are right
[10:56 am] mikewd2 -: one of us might be right?
[10:56 am] swingtrader : at 7.05 when brent mention the support you could it take it at 7.09 long was a good trade
[10:57 am] doji : Sorry Mr. Swingtrader[10:57 am] mikewd2 -: guess the short was at 7.56 not 7.65
[10:57 am] sonorant : But we’ll end up typing in Swing, because it is shorter!
[10:58 am] rusty : BAC CFO BofA has made a lot of progress to strengthen itself
[10:58 am] swingtrader : turning
[10:58 am] swingtrader : well of course macd schot[10:59 am] swingtrader : ago keeps dropping q
[11:00 am] qwert : still in
[11:00 am] swingtrader : is your target 12.60
[11:01 am] mikewd2 -: u guys are having to work hard on AGO
[11:01 am] qwert : harder to do nothing
[11:01 am] qwert : moved tgt to .55 just in case of big drop but will adjust according to end of day
[11:02 am] sonorant : anyone else still tracking TNA/TZA? We have 2 hours to go.
[11:03 am] garyb : caught TNA at 41.55…
[11:03 am] garyb : getting head faked constantly
[11:03 am] garyb : me
[11:03 am] mikewd2 -: keep looking at TNA head fakes to get in
[11:03 am] qwert : same here ago
[11:03 am] swingtrader : AGO was the easiest trade i made this week
[11:05 am] doji : I agree with Mike
[11:05 am] doji : TNA Gary?
[11:05 am] mikewd2 -: don’t see much reason for it to bounce higher today.
[11:06 am] doji : Here it comes the selloff get ready
[11:06 am] mikewd2 -: should have shorted SVM again
[11:07 am] garyb : stopped out again
[11:07 am] garyb : yes…..fricken thing….TZA was most definitely the play of the day
[11:08 am] mikewd2 -: how tight are your stops garyb[11:08 am] mikewd2 -: much less than 1% assume
[11:09 am] doji : BAC
[11:09 am] garyb : yeh…..because I know it’s falling bad today…sometimes it looks good on the charts…so I take a chance and buy a position with a tight stop
[11:09 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch and brent are probably laughing there a– off that we are trying to make money on a friday before 3day weekend.
[11:09 am] swingtrader : mike look at CEDC watch it here
[11:09 am] swingtrader : or COF
[11:10 am] doji : Rusty, that is the best thing I have heard today
[11:10 am] garyb : for a month
[11:10 am] garyb : You’ve got that right rusty! I should have gone on holidays on July 30! lol[11:10 am] rusty : -+
[11:10 am] rusty : sometimes the best trade is no trade at all
[11:11 am] mikewd2 -: 2 out of last 3 were losers
[11:11 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, I’m 7/9 today – thinking about stopping for day
[11:11 am] rusty : sometimes better to wait for trade to come to you then jump into water
[11:11 am] rusty : u guys see how Mitch’s son catches salmon?
[11:12 am] doji : How much can the SPX drop today?
[11:12 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, that was awesome rusty
[11:12 am] sonorant : I took both TNA and TZA back when I asked if anyone else was still in it. Stopped out on TNA, still in some of my shares for TZA
[11:13 am] mikewd2 -: Mitch said in the DSR, that TZA could go into the high 40’s today.
[11:13 am] mikewd2 -: not sure why we didn’t buy it at the open and hold
[11:14 am] doji : I cannot find that in the DRS
[11:14 am] garyb : I mean we just witnessed it hit 50 a couple of days ago
[11:14 am] garyb : the nice thing is that TNA is dropping so much that it may set itself up for a good swing trade in a few days
[11:14 am] mikewd2 -: yeah, load the boat again in the 30’s
[11:15 am] garyb : I know Mike…..I mean there is a chance to make some REAL coinage
[11:15 am] sonorant : I wish Mitch would come back and analyze some of the entry and indicators for us.
[11:16 am] garyb : That would be great Mitch…the swings are good to make some nice profit
[11:16 am] mikewd2 -: i c UPRO
[11:17 am] doji : The odds were not in our favor today with TNA Mitch
[11:17 am] ghaziar : SLW looks interesting for a long — in at $40.30
[11:17 am] mikewd2 -: i still contend, silver is way over priced
[11:17 am] mikewd2 -: we will see 28 again
[11:18 am] garyb : So Mitch, it’s probably not the best idea to get into TNA and hold over the weekend…Tuesday might be go lower you are thinking?
[11:18 am] mikewd2 -: bad day on FSLR
[11:19 am] mikewd2 -: and i guess we don’t want to load up on TZA, because fed or something good could happen?
[11:19 am] rusty : Spaceship Funded by AMZN CEO Bezos had catastrophic failure
[11:20 am] garyb : for swings
[11:20 am] garyb : I look at the daily charts to see where the MAD & Stoch is
[11:20 am] rusty : more often
[11:20 am] rusty : rather than speculate
[11:20 am] rusty : you guys need to look at support and resistance
[11:22 am] rusty : just my opinion
[11:23 am] garyb : I agree
[11:23 am] mikewd2 -: your right rusty
[11:25 am] rusty : http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20110902-cxn f-121kb.jpg here is my chart
[11:25 am] rusty : were in a big trading range most likely and getting exuberant toward the higher end of the range and/or overly depressed at the low end of the range = recipe for disaster imo[11:25 am] sonorant : Rusty, ok, on which charts?
[11:26 am] garyb : nice chart……everything is pointing down
[11:26 am] rusty : daily chart
[11:26 am] rusty : i try to keep it simple….buy at lower end of range and sell at upper end of range
[11:26 am] rusty : until that range is broken
[11:27 am] lisas : Wow rusty, lots of squiggles! Thanks for sharing though, nice to see what others are using.
[11:27 am] mikewd2 -: so rusty, do you have TZA long?
[11:29 am] garyb : Rusty I like the horizontal channel you drew in
[11:29 am] rusty : the only thing I’m buying today is buying to cover
[11:30 am] garyb : have a great weekend Mike!
[11:30 am] mikewd2 -: going to shut it down, before i do something stupid. Be careful rest of day, c u Tuesday.
[11:30 am] rusty : doesn’t mean you can’t trade today…but don’t lose sight of big picture
[11:31 am] rusty : take care mike
[11:33 am] sonorant : Rusty, great chart — thanks! I need to spend some time looking at it.
[11:34 am] garyb : Rusty are you good at the bolinger bands?
[11:35 am] rusty : i like to use them as indicators, not sure how good i am at them tho[11:35 am] rusty : in a bear market I don’t buy toward the upper band nor do I short at lower band unless a big support level is broken
[11:35 am] rusty : lol[11:36 am] rusty : when I started trading I used to buy the highs all the time….almost routinely…lol[11:37 am] rusty : absolutely
[11:37 am] rusty : until I figured the game out 🙂
[11:37 am] rusty : x
[11:37 am] sonorant : I suppose shorting at the upper band is optimal in a bear mkt?
[11:37 am] sonorant : Okay, not buying at the upper band in a bear market makes sense.
[11:38 am] derns : I heard on CNBC that all the trading this afternoon is by computers…we’re the only humans in the market now!
[11:39 am] Brent : you too hawaii, have a good one
[11:39 am] derns : TNA looks dead!
[11:39 am] garyb : lol!
[11:39 am] hawaii : thanks mitch brent and team learned a lot today will i be able to use todays lesson on swing trades have a great 3 day
[11:39 am] rusty : 70% of the market is computers
[11:39 am] sonorant : No, I want to figure this out!
[11:40 am] candelas : see ya Hawaii
[11:41 am] garyb : as the low
[11:41 am] garyb : wow…when you look at TNA it hit a high of around $51 just yesterday morning…..and almost $40 today
[11:42 am] lisas : That’s a 3x etf for you. makes it hard to hold for swings unless you get a really good entry
[11:43 am] sonorant : Spy is giving a mini bounce.
[11:49 am] mbear : Seems like there aren’t enough traders out there to get this market to bounce today…
[11:50 am] lisas : well, wonder how low the market will go. I’m down to 25 shares short on tna.
[11:50 am] mbear : All the bankers must have left for their homes in the Hamptons before lunch
[11:53 am] derns : REGN..does anyone know why it jumped today?
[11:54 am] derns : Thx Doji…it jumped a full 10 points earlier..now up 4.3
[11:54 am] doji : Regeneron gains on worries about rival treatment
[11:56 am] candelas : Brent u get PBR, not enough time to post it?
[11:56 am] rusty : covered other 1/2 of LQDT
[11:57 am] Brent : lol[11:57 am] Brent : man
[11:57 am] Brent : nice one
[11:57 am] Brent : no
[11:57 am] Brent : ohhhhhhhhh[11:58 am] Brent : lol[11:58 am] Brent : nice work
[11:58 am] Brent : yeah, did you nail it?
[11:58 am] candelas : it was like a silent mover and took off
[11:58 am] candelas : yep and covered at 27.52
[11:58 am] leo : Candelas, did you get PBR?
[11:59 am] candelas : avg. 28.47
[11:59 am] leo : Wonderful
[11:59 am] lisas : We need a chime for candelas!
[11:59 am] qwert : awesome
[11:59 am] qwert : nice what was your entry
[11:59 am] sonorant : I tried to short LQDT early today and it kept going up, and I kept losing it….
[12:00 pm] sonorant : great! I was just about to ask how you had done today…. sounds like you did great!
[12:01 pm] candelas : I’m sure I am ahead I just don’t know how much I made as I don’t look at p & L
[12:02 pm] candelas : it can be a distraction
[12:02 pm] candelas : only when i am finished trading completely
[12:02 pm] garyb : do you get nice surprises then?
[12:02 pm] garyb : wow candelas, you don’t at all?
[12:02 pm] sonorant : looking at the LQDT chart for the day now. How many times did you short it?
[12:03 pm] Brent : don’t look at it
[12:03 pm] Brent : I still cover mine
[12:03 pm] candelas : Brent taught me that
[12:03 pm] sonorant : Probably a good discipline.
[12:05 pm] candelas : the funny part was first day i covered p&L i tried to calculate the money in my head, by that time the money disappeared
[12:06 pm] candelas : 1 year later by far
[12:06 pm] candelas : it took some getting used to
[12:06 pm] garyb : so it’s working out better for you?
[12:06 pm] garyb : Why..I guess you are completely focused on techniques then
[12:07 pm] candelas : exactly and the action
[12:08 pm] garyb : but you do look at prices and percent gain?
[12:09 pm] candelas : no, I just look at charts
[12:10 pm] sonorant : And the scanner is an important piece, yes?
[12:11 pm] candelas : I recall Mitch talking about if u really pay attention to charts and what they are telling you, you really don’t need to see price of stock
[12:12 pm] candelas : speaking of the charts
[12:12 pm] candelas : when I am in the trade I’m not looking at price
[12:12 pm] rusty : hmmm
[12:12 pm] rusty : then what do u look at? 🙂
[12:12 pm] rusty : trade without quotes?
[12:13 pm] candelas : i pay attention to how stock is reacting around support/resistance levels and vol.
[12:14 pm] candelas : I’m not saying i never look at price
[12:15 pm] candelas : i know sometimes it’s not easy to convey ur thought process to writing
[12:15 pm] candelas : just when I am in the trade it is not my primary focus
[12:16 pm] candelas : at least for me
[12:19 pm] garyb : I look at the price to see how big of a position I can take
[12:19 pm] lisas : Interesting charts on upro, tna, indexes. Nice steady downtrend, so zigs or zags since about noon, when most pro traders left for long weekend
[12:20 pm] candelas : or said a better way, prices are important, its just that I know when I am in a trade I am looking at levels of supp/resis buyers/sellers etc. signals to tell me trade is over, if that makes sense.
[12:20 pm] ferrazzi : DISH
[12:20 pm] lisas : are you using ohlc candelas. I’ve noticed they seem to be respected.
[12:20 pm] rusty : VIX http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20110902-tql j-124kb.jpg
[12:20 pm] sonorant : I am still interesting in the TZA chart for today since about 8:30 Pacific time.
[12:20 pm] sonorant : interested. Would like some back analysis of it
[12:21 pm] candelas : is Gecko here
[12:21 pm] candelas : yes
[12:21 pm] derns : TNA getting action
[12:21 pm] lightning : now is the bounce
[12:21 pm] lisas : volume on that last spike tna[12:21 pm] sonorant : yes
[12:22 pm] mbear : short covering starting?
[12:23 pm] candelas : yes
[12:23 pm] derns : I don’t get the idea of shorting TNA…that would scare me…I would go to TZA.
[12:23 pm] qwert : is ohlc= open,high,low,close?
[12:24 pm] candelas : DISH
[12:24 pm] candelas : looks like it may form hammer on daily
[12:24 pm] candelas : speaking on dish
[12:24 pm] doji : DISH
[12:24 pm] garyb : can you even short TNA?
[12:24 pm] qwert : news on dish
[12:25 pm] rusty : yes
[12:26 pm] derns : TNA is hard to borrow on Schwab…still I would look to go with the opposite etf rather than shorting TNA
[12:26 pm] gecko : I’m here candelas
[12:27 pm] candelas : though u like that reversal close to 330
[12:27 pm] rusty : http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1d&s= TNA&l=on&z=l&q=l& amp;c=tza
[12:28 pm] candelas : cool
[12:28 pm] candelas : have u done a lot of back testing to nail down all the times
[12:28 pm] gecko : i am studying cl futures now
[12:28 pm] gecko : i have not done any back testing
[12:28 pm] gecko : will add that to my arsenal eventually
[12:29 pm] gecko : 11.30 reversal today in cl
[12:29 pm] gecko : i think eventually i will trade cl futures, tna, tza and that’s about it
[12:30 pm] candelas : easier said than done
[12:30 pm] gecko : true
[12:31 pm] candelas : dish hit resistance and gave a little
[12:31 pm] lisas : Gecko, are you using info from last webinar to study cl?
[12:31 pm] lisas : or other sources?
[12:31 pm] sonorant : Is it hard to trade just tna tza?
[12:32 pm] candelas : then onto sim[12:32 pm] gecko : cl tna, tza[12:32 pm] gecko : going to spend few weeks just studying
[12:32 pm] gecko : i am using the seminar also
[12:32 pm] gecko : right now i am recording the entire day
[12:33 pm] candelas : ok
[12:33 pm] gecko : i don’t do sim[12:33 pm] gecko : just small volume first
[12:33 pm] sonorant : who taught the CL info in Vegas?
[12:34 pm] candelas : i did sim for 120 days for CL
[12:34 pm] gecko : for cl i will do sim[12:35 pm] candelas : oh that’s what i was asking
[12:35 pm] gecko : if adriano did 3 months i should do at least same
[12:36 pm] gecko : what’s cool about this recording stuff as you can go back to it a trade but put the 1m in hyper speed
[12:37 pm] candelas : i like using it for study, the playback and I speed it up also
[12:39 pm] doji : FNSR
[12:43 pm] candelas : old news, Obama halts tighter smog standards
[12:45 pm] garyb : well I’ve had it…..bad day today…I’m going home….opening a nice cold beer and forget about today. Have a great weekend everyone!!
[12:51 pm] candelas : DISH gave to chances to short but I passed
[12:52 pm] derns : REGN..again…thx to whomever raised the awareness of REGN today. Trading short and a little long made me net positive for trades on the week…thx.
[12:53 pm] candelas : Brent mentioned it first, then i kept bringing it up later
[12:53 pm] candelas : I think I traded it 6 times today
[12:53 pm] derns : Well…I owe you both more than a cup of coffee or glass of wine!
[12:53 pm] derns : Yeah..believe me…it was nice to get a layup opportunity like that.
[12:53 pm] lisas : candelas, are you using the esignal playback, or have you found a program to playback any platform. I heard of one once, but didn’t keep the info.
[12:54 pm] Brent : Esignal and Ninja are the only two that I’m aware of that do playback
[12:54 pm] candelas : i use esignal[12:54 pm] lisas : I’ve used the arrow keys to do review in TS, lol.
[12:54 pm] sonorant : Thanks, Brent
[12:55 pm] Brent : how are you liking Ninja sonorant?
[12:55 pm] sonorant : I like it a great deal, but there is so much to learn. I keep finding things that I want to do that I don’t know how to do….
[12:56 pm] Brent : yeah there are a lot of features
[12:56 pm] sonorant : Brent, do you use the volume trigger feature on the ATM strategies?
[12:57 pm] Brent : I haven’t used that sonorant
[12:58 pm] candelas : well trading family, have a great 3 day weekend
[12:58 pm] rusty : have an enjoyable weekend everyone
[12:58 pm] sonorant : Okay thanks. It looks really useful, but I’m not sure about the possible downside to it…. And I think you’d have to be pretty saavy about where to set the volume.
[12:58 pm] swingtrader : Guys good night thank you was a very good week ..thank you i brent tell kris we missed him Mitch thanks you Brent have a fantastic week end all
[12:59 pm] leo : Thanks, Mitch, Brent, Candelas and comrades. Have a nice long weekend.
[12:59 pm] lisas : Bye all, thanks to everyone, have a great long weekend!
[01:00 pm] sonorant : I loved having you and Mitch in the room to help fill the gap. Thanks!
[01:01 pm] swingtrader : qwert did you closed the day swing in DOG
[01:02 pm] derns : Brent..thx for mentioning REGN
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