Chat Highlights From 07/31/2012

TSA Moderator ChatUser Chat
[06:14 am] Ed : good morning traders
[06:30 am] Mitch K: next two days is FOMC so really extra quiet
[06:30 am] Mitch K: its going to be quiet for the next month so take your ideas in first 30-45 minutes each day
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching LL for bottom to buy,
[06:31 am] Ed : monitoring VRTX for potential long
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching VRTX for bottom to bu
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching KLIC for top to short
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching LULU for bottom to buy
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching SWKS for top to short
[06:33 am] Mitch K: more downswide on LQDT, prefer rebound first
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching STX for top to short
[06:34 am] Mitch K: monitoring TYC for top to short
[06:34 am] Mitch K: right here
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching KORS for short soon
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching SYMC for top to short, take time
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching CRS for top to short
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching CAH for top to short
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watchign HLF for bottom to buy
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching YNDX for bottom to buy
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching health care stocks to short
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching MPWR for top to short
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watch healthcare stocks today:  UNH, HUM, AET, WLP
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching FLS for top to short
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching NY for bottom , take time
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching ACOR for bottom to buy
[06:40 am] Mitch K: watching CVLT for top to short
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching PRE for bottom to buy
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching SRCL for bottom to buy
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching APC for bottom to buy
[06:43 am] Mitch K: watching EMN for top
[06:43 am] Mitch K: watching CXO for top to short
[06:44 am] Mitch K: watch COH for multiple trades today, next one is short on top of tbounce, take time
[06:44 am] Mitch K: missed TXRH bottom but watch for short on top of this bounce
[06:45 am] Mitch K: monitoring IPGP for top, take time
[06:45 am] Mitch K: watching KLIC closer to cover short
[06:46 am] Mitch K: still watching TYC for top to short
[06:46 am] Mitch K: watching ALXN for top to short
[06:47 am] Mitch K: SPY toppy
[06:47 am] Mitch K: watching AMZN for bottom to buy
[06:47 am] Mitch K: consider selling VRTX if long
[06:48 am] Mitch K: also consider covering LQDT
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watch all your shorts, many are ready to cover like KORS, STX
[06:48 am] Mitch K: consider covering most of KLIC short
[06:48 am] Mitch K: consider covering some or most of EMN short
[06:48 am] Mitch K: consider taking multiple trades on CXO, ok to cover on this drop
[06:49 am] Mitch K: consider covering healthcare stocks soon:  WLP, UNH
[06:50 am] Mitch K: sorry about CAPS
[06:50 am] Mitch K: consider selling YNDX
[06:50 am] Mitch K: CONSIDER COVERING aet SHORT
[06:51 am] Mitch K: sell HLF if long
[06:51 am] Ed : monitoring CMI for potetantial short
[06:52 am] Mitch K: cover UNH if short
[06:52 am] Mitch K: watching NXPI for bottom, take time
[06:52 am] Mitch K: IPGP turning over
[06:52 am] Mitch K: or most of it
[06:52 am] Mitch K: consider covering FLS short
[06:53 am] Mitch K: consider selling ACOR
[06:53 am] Mitch K: sell APC
[06:53 am] Mitch K: consider covering CVLT short
[06:53 am] Mitch K: consider selling NU
[06:54 am] Ed : has more room to run if they want
[06:54 am] Mitch K: cover TXRH if short
[06:54 am] Ed : just contniue to monitor CMI use 5min to see where it tops
[06:54 am] Mitch K: or more
[06:54 am] Mitch K: consider covering half of CXO short
[06:55 am] Mitch K: it has to stop dropping first and show a little bounce before you buy anything on these drops
[06:55 am] Mitch K: watching KLIC for bottom to buy, take time, maybe 10.4 to 10.50 area,
[06:56 am] Mitch K: looking for 54 area on IPGP short, be flexible
[06:56 am] Mitch K: not liking TYC, too slow joe
[06:56 am] Mitch K: watching TRI for bottom to buy
[06:56 am] Mitch K: you buy just the beginning of the pop, drop and pop
[06:58 am] Mitch K: dont like AXS actually, lol
[06:58 am] Mitch K: not huge potential on AXS, so so
[06:58 am] Mitch K: watching AXS for bottom to buy, take time
[06:59 am] Mitch K: monitoring EL for bottom, more to go before interesting
[06:59 am] Mitch K: IPGP short over, watch for 2nd helping short later
[07:00 am] Mitch K: done with CVLT, taking off screen
[07:00 am] Ed : Im covering 3/4 of CMI for plus .40 on short
[07:01 am] Mitch K: any profit on a bounce like KLIC after big profit is just bonus money, icing on cake, spouse money.  means don't try to squeeze last dollar out of it, anything is fine.  thats my mentality when i trade those
[07:01 am] Ed : to get ahead of trade no traction on downside
[07:03 am] Mitch K: dropped from 26.70 to 22.24 last 30 min
[07:03 am] Mitch K: Allot Communications
[07:03 am] Mitch K: watch ALLT for bottom, like this chart a lot
[07:03 am] Ed : finally breaking down, I will trail my last 1/4 CMI short
[07:04 am] Mitch K: dont buy it until it shows signs of bottoming, it looks dead the way ALLT is  acting
[07:05 am] Mitch K: not liking ALLT
[07:06 am] Mitch K: consider covering KORS if short
[07:06 am] Mitch K: watching SINA for bottom to buy
[07:06 am] Mitch K: FB setting up for long scalp
[07:07 am] Mitch K: SYMC close to target, maybe 15.68 area, be flexible, anytime to cover ok
[07:07 am] Mitch K: you guys sold HLF long right?
[07:07 am] Mitch K: cover STX if short
[07:07 am] Ed : SPY new lod
[07:09 am] Mitch K: watchign AGN for bottom to buy
[07:12 am] Mitch K: little more downside on COH short but watching for bottom to cover short
[07:13 am] Mitch K: watching LNKD for bottom to buy
[07:13 am] Mitch K: monitoring CVLT for 2nd helping short, maybe 50.65 area, be flexible, start small, increments
[07:14 am] Mitch K: CVLT bounce could go over 51 before good short
[07:14 am] Mitch K: KORS short is over
[07:14 am] Mitch K: looking for bottom in MGAM
[07:14 am] Mitch K: watching MGAM for bottom, can anyone check news on this?
[07:15 am] Mitch K: on this type of trade, a 2nd helping that was already bullish to begin with, i am slow to enter a 2nd short, real small at first
[07:19 am] Mitch K: looking for about 80 cents on CVLT 2nd helping short
[07:20 am] Mitch K: consider selling most of AGN
[07:20 am] Mitch K: watching CELG for bottom to buy
[07:29 am] Ed : SPY trading at trendline resistance
[07:38 am] Mitch K: see the chart EMN?  thats what we are looking for on a 2nd helping short, ideal chart there
[07:39 am] Mitch K: CVLT 2nd helping short started
[07:39 am] Mitch K: watching UNH for 2nd helping long
[07:40 am] Mitch K: today much better trading than i expected, many good ones today.  look at MGAM long, trade of the week
[07:41 am] Mitch K: anyone take that MGAM long
[07:42 am] Ed : missed the breakdown short in VVUS, wait for bounce back into the 21.7ish area see how it reacts to that area
[07:44 am] Mitch K: consider selling MGAM long
[07:50 am] Mitch K: cover AGN if short
[07:51 am] Ed : watching TFM for short thx qwert
[07:51 am] Mitch K: still monitoring UNH for 2nd bottom, also watchign AET and WLP for bottom, looks like last two are bouncing
[07:52 am] Ed : monitor the 60 area if gets that far on TFM
[07:55 am] Mitch K: looking for a 3rd short on EMN, unusual to have 3 on same stock
[08:09 am] Ed : if u took TFM short would cover some here
[08:14 am] Ed : SPY trading near horizontal resistance
[08:31 am] Ed : SPY pulling back
[09:02 am] Ed : getting some selling in markets
[09:11 am] Ed : SPY approaching lod
[09:14 am] Ed : Advanced trade use smaller share size
[09:14 am] Ed : monitoring ACTG for potential bottom
[09:36 am] Ed : if u took ACTG long would reduce some here if u took ACTG long
[10:00 am] Ed : SPY new lod
[10:17 am] Ed : VVUS still making lower lows
[10:37 am] Mitch K: AGN is worth watching all day because the further this drops the stronger the bounces tend to be on the long side
[10:39 am] Mitch K: watching AGP
[10:43 am] Mitch K: watching LOGM for bottom
[10:52 am] Mitch K: if anyone took AGP long, consider selling
[11:10 am] Ed : getting bounce in SPY
[11:15 am] Ed : watching OCZ for potential short ADvanced trade
[11:23 am] Ed : if u shorted OCZ would cover here
[11:49 am] Ed : DNB haltd
[11:50 am] Ed : circuit breaker halt
[11:54 am] Ed : potential sale
[11:55 am] Ed : being reported in WSJ
[12:01 pm] Ed : if u short DNB would cover some here
[12:10 pm] Ed : MGLN
[12:10 pm] Ed : thx murano
[12:10 pm] Ed : watchion gMGLN for long
[12:11 pm] Mitch K: watching Lightning chart
[12:11 pm] Mitch K: no buy signal on DNB yet
[12:14 pm] Mitch K: so what you do is try to get best price
[12:14 pm] Mitch K: just got a buy signal on MGLN jason
[12:18 pm] Mitch K: sell signal on MGLN, use those as a stop
[12:19 pm] Mitch K: this is DNB
[12:19 pm] Mitch K: my first glance at MGLN is i didnt like the pattern
[12:19 pm] Mitch K: you still have to use good judgement when using a system, don't throw out all your observations and recognition you have built up over time
[12:20 pm] Mitch K: two blue circles is a buy and then a sell and you use a sell signal as a stop
[12:20 pm] Mitch K: here is the MGLN chart that turned into a trade failure or a stop triggered
[12:20 pm] Mitch K: still no buy signal yet
[12:21 pm] Mitch K: here is VRTX
[12:21 pm] Mitch K: this helps you prevent big losses
[12:22 pm] Mitch K: see why you take signal on something like MGLN?  prevents larger losses.
[12:22 pm] Mitch K: pre beta
[12:22 pm] Mitch K: im using the beta beta version
[12:22 pm] Mitch K: those two blue circled signals are garbage signals and i am going to get rid of those, those will be filtered out for the beta version
[12:23 pm] Mitch K: let me show you CVLT
[12:24 pm] Mitch K: thats another garbage signal,  that wont be there on released version
[12:24 pm] Mitch K: see that one lone blue circled signal?
[12:25 pm] Mitch K: this one is trade of the week or month, happened today MGAM
[12:26 pm] Mitch K: there is by signal on lower circle, same as buy to cover a short or buy long
[12:26 pm] Mitch K: upper left circled signal is sell, use sell as sell long or sell short
[12:27 pm] Mitch K: Thats $2 a share on a $12.50 stock or 16% on this long
[12:28 pm] Mitch K: my first glance at this chart is it isnt very good idea
[12:28 pm] Mitch K: and your job is to get best price, usually does NOT have to be a market order.
[12:28 pm] Mitch K: ACOM just gave sell signal
[12:29 pm] Mitch K: it has not gone up enough or fast enough
[12:29 pm] Mitch K: even though sell signal was issued, dont care for it
[12:30 pm] Mitch K: i got to get back to work, working on details, filters, nuances
[12:31 pm] Mitch K: eyes, you asked about cost.  I am not sure of final cost yet but it will be a lot cheaper than you trying to trade manually, and you dont have as much emotions and you can handle quite a few open positions at the same time
[12:32 pm] Mitch K: ive been obsessed with getting it up to highest level possible.
[12:34 pm] Mitch K: the beta version will be released at discount and further discount to Trading Room users and 3rd discount on webinar attendees and a 4th discount on bundled with other services
[12:37 pm] Mitch K: let me explain this in more detail, most of you might not care but i do
[12:39 pm] Mitch K: only have 20 min left and i would guess 51 will hold on FIRE
[12:39 pm] Mitch K: got sell signal on FIRE
[12:41 pm] Mitch K: you mean a buy signal to cover short right DNB
[12:41 pm] Mitch K: no victor
[12:43 pm] Mitch K: ok i will teach you when beta is released on this but you see DNB on right, the black highlighted price now 77.06 on DNB on right chart
[12:43 pm] Mitch K: FIRE on left, DNB on right
[12:44 pm] Mitch K: small sliver of a chart on left is FIRE and just hit 51
[12:44 pm] Mitch K: when you see that black highlighted price toward lower part of the three prices, it isnt ready to cover but dont worry about that
[12:45 pm] Mitch K: it is not efficient for me to give you buy and sell signals, its efficient when its on your computer and you hear the audio alerts
[12:45 pm] Mitch K: and good place to cover FIRE if short
[12:45 pm] Mitch K: my common sense says that 51 holds
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: see green line on top of alert window?
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: there is DNB ccover
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: and you can see and hear this alert window
[12:47 pm] Mitch K: you get DNB covered Victor
[12:47 pm] Mitch K: ok FIRE broke below $51, makes sense, end of day, stock has run up a lot, people want to capture their profit
[12:48 pm] Mitch K: i mean was kick butt today
[12:48 pm] Mitch K: you are going to dig this next chart
[12:48 pm] Mitch K: is joeytsa here?
[12:49 pm] Mitch K: now check this out,  this was the EUR/USD pair today on Lightning.
[12:50 pm] Mitch K: you could not write a better story than this, watch this
[12:50 pm] Mitch K: let me go back to like 5am this morning
[12:51 pm] Mitch K: look at this movement, big oscillations and that is what this is good
[12:51 pm] Mitch K: first trade was at 220am pacific time.  i wasnt awake but i left it on all night
[12:52 pm] Mitch K: you guys don thave to know much about all the Forex, the technical details, no lines to look at
[12:52 pm] Mitch K: look at this movement in the Euro vs the US Dollar
[12:52 pm] Mitch K: arent you guys ever satisified?  you are going to have an awesome tool and now you are asking for autotrade?
[12:53 pm] Mitch K: joey, is this cool or what, the range of price is very high today
[12:54 pm] Mitch K: can use it perfectly for swing trade on daily charts, other time intervals, i am going to show you all how to use this
[12:54 pm] Mitch K: each one of those moves for the absolute minimum position size is $415 but look how many occurred today and most people are able to afford more than one contract or $4700 buying power
[12:55 pm] Mitch K: trading the Euro vs. Dollar, you can have a position for hours and never trade it, just wait for audio
[12:55 pm] Mitch K: joey, tell me you love this
[12:56 pm] Mitch K: but look how long the hold time was on this -- thats like 90 minutes
[12:56 pm] Mitch K: i have the Euro mostly hidden because i dont have enough monitor space so i only show a tiny bit of the chart to remind me i have a position
[12:57 pm] Mitch K: like CL for example, i dont care for those mid night trades
[12:57 pm] Mitch K: yes victor, it will be on your computer so if your computer is turned on, and you have internet and Ninja is loaded, then signals will be generated but i dont like the quality of some of the middle of the night instruments
[12:58 pm] Mitch K: but you have to pace yourself how much you can do and trade, i am older, so less trading and more particular what i want to do and how i want to manage my life
[12:59 pm] Mitch K: just a sec
[12:59 pm] Mitch K: i was starting to show you something i dont like but i have solved how to filter it out, those garbage trades, or most of them wont appear, so let me show you garbage
[01:00 pm] Mitch K: just a sec
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: first, i will have this showning up better more clear, consistent, those arrows.  they are hidden in a cople places but i dont look at charts, i look at the Alert window
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: ok see this is VRTX
[01:03 pm] Mitch K: to prove that to you, let me do a close up
[01:03 pm] Mitch K: the lower circle there is a green arrow but its hidden
[01:03 pm] Mitch K: actually i hear the sound first and then i look at the alert window, then make trade, then look at alert window in that order
[01:04 pm] Mitch K: right wheres waldo but again, you hear the sound, then look at alert window to see what it is because you have a bunch of charts open
[01:04 pm] Mitch K: you can see the body of that arrow.  but we will fix that
[01:05 pm] Mitch K: here is the most important thing im working on.  and this is important
[01:05 pm] Mitch K: ok let me show you techies what i am working on, i solved it but now am going to get programming changes, let me show you
[01:06 pm] Mitch K: i figured out how to get rid of most of those, probably 80-85 of those will disappear and that leaves the good stuff
[01:06 pm] Mitch K: crap trades, bad signals
[01:06 pm] Mitch K: see those two circled signals?  thats garbage
[01:07 pm] Mitch K: am i making sense?
[01:07 pm] Mitch K: so the goal is to give the highest quality trades, the fewest trades but the best
[01:08 pm] Mitch K: good word skydiver, this allows multi-tasking at the best but if you do this at work, people are going to hear sell signal, buy signal
[01:08 pm] Mitch K: we dont want to go mental hearing a lot of extra sell or buy signals.  because the pavlovian dogs will get desensitized as to what is a good signal and what is a bad one
[01:09 pm] Mitch K: see more junk?
[01:10 pm] Mitch K: some of that we cannot filter out but the solution is this:  we look for the best ideas, biggest movers, highest beta, all those 40-50 in the first hour?  those are perfect for this.  and when you guys hear me say or you can see for yourself those 3-5 stocks that keep on giving good trades throughout the day?  not just one trade but maybe 3,4,5 trades.  those you will be able to easily trade
[01:11 pm] Mitch K: the audio alert is a woman's voice Buy SIgnal, Sell SIgnal.  a little sexier than Apple's Siri voice
[01:12 pm] Mitch K: i didnt want the voice to be too sexy because the guys wont be able to concentrate and their wives will think they arent really trading
[01:12 pm] Mitch K: you guys look at FIRE
[01:12 pm] Mitch K: i wanted an audio alert that isnt too distracting or annoying.  but something to get your attention but not yelling at you
[01:13 pm] Mitch K: anyhow, i got to get back to work, just wanted to let you know where we are at.  after each change, it has to be tested and monitored for weeks
[01:14 pm] Mitch K: anyhow you guys take care and thanks for your patience.  it will definitely be worth the wait.  i will show you how to use it.  i think i have it down pretty well now but my guess is you guys will find other ways of using this that i have not thought of or discovered yet
[01:15 pm] Mitch K: gregs, email me at service @tradestocksamerica.com and put in subject line gregs in Trading Room.  leave me your phone number
[01:15 pm] Mitch K: ok interesting gregs
[01:16 pm] Mitch K: im telling you guys, this one technique im going to show you in that first 30 minutes, probably triples your profits, at least, just in first 30 min, really really good stuff.  its definitely taking longer than i expected but its ok, just killer tool coming your way
[01:16 pm] Mitch K: im interested in that
[01:17 pm] Mitch K: see you tomorrow
[01:17 pm] Mitch K: first 30 min of each day

[06:12 am] b1faxm88  : very bad day yesterday
[06:13 am] joeytsa  : Good morning Ed, traders
[06:13 am] eddy  : hi all ED joey
[06:13 am] gregs  : good morning joey
[06:14 am] scalpman  : gm ed
[06:14 am] joeytsa  : chicago pmi @ 6:45pdt,consumer confidence @ 7pdt
[06:14 am] gregs  : howdy ed
[06:14 am] cowboyh  : Gm Ed   everyone
[06:14 am] eddy  : wow spy jut droped into negative
[06:14 am] qwert  : good morning everybody  :)
[06:14 am] joeytsa  : gap down: STX,COH,HUM,PRSS,REGN,MSTR,KORS,TIF
[06:15 am] joeytsa  : gap ups: LQDT,CRUS,CVLT,IPGP,CIE,HLF,CMI
[06:16 am] joeytsa  : some of those may have changed already though
[06:16 am] cdougan  : Good Morning!
[06:16 am] Ed : b1faxm88 as a trader you will have a bad day no matter how great ur system is, key is keeping those losses to minimum, also if it was horrible day go back to basics, decrease substantially shares traded or even go back to sim trading
[06:19 am] joeytsa  : ES range approx 1378-1387
[06:23 am] serge  : gm everyone
[06:25 am] cdougan  : Morning Serge
[06:25 am] apple  : good morning to all fast traders
[06:25 am] skydiver  : gm all
[06:26 am] khall  : good morning eveyrone
[06:26 am] khall  : everyone as well - need more coffee!
[06:27 am] apple  : gm joey
[06:28 am] apple  : gm khall
[06:28 am] apple  : gm sky
[06:28 am] apple  : gm eddy
[06:28 am] apple  : gm cd
[06:28 am] apple  : gm serge
[06:28 am] apple  : gm E
[06:28 am] khall  : gm apple :-)
[06:28 am] qwert  : gm apple
[06:28 am] apple  : gm qwert
[06:28 am] apple  : gm greg
[06:28 am] qwert  : crus really moving around
[06:29 am] apple  : gm scalp
[06:29 am] skydiver  : gm apple
[06:29 am] apple  : gm cowboy
[06:29 am] apple  : where is mike these days?
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : vacation
[06:30 am] apple  : thx
[06:30 am] cowboyh  : gm apple
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : nice 50cent opp on STX
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : watching TGT for a bottom
[06:32 am] apple  : thx for warning MK - really apppreciate that reminder
[06:33 am] skydiver  : CRM jumped fast
[06:34 am] scalpman  : Cover 1/2 CRUS S
[06:36 am] joeytsa  : tighten STX if long
[06:36 am] scalpman  : Cover 1/2 KLiC S
[06:37 am] victor51  : gm all
[06:37 am] apple  : hey victor
[06:37 am] joeytsa  : tighten COH if long
[06:37 am] apple  : thx joey
[06:39 am] joeytsa  : chicago pmi in 5 minutes
[06:40 am] apple  : thx joey
[06:41 am] eyes  : Long 47.15 VRTX out 1/2 1% 1/4 +1.10
[06:42 am] eyes  : 1/4 2 %
[06:45 am] apple  : eyes - your % are confusing.  just put in $ or pt amt, thx.  e.g. 1.10 works
[06:45 am] eyes  : ok
[06:46 am] eyes  : .47 .94  1.10
[06:46 am] apple  : great!
[06:46 am] eyes  : Short  CVLT 51.73
[06:46 am] khall  : s STX 29.46
[06:48 am] skydiver  : covered CRM S  127.67 - 125 41
[06:48 am] joeytsa  : tighten SHAW if short
[06:48 am] chinhngo  : short alxn at 107.02
[06:49 am] apple  : thx joey
[06:49 am] eyes  : out  CVLT .52 .104
[06:49 am] joeytsa  : i dont think i listed that pre-market though, had it on my computer though sorry
[06:50 am] eyes  : last 1/4 1.56
[06:51 am] skydiver  : miss handled first 2 trades - CRM put me in green again -- focus  focus
[06:52 am] joeytsa  : it happens
[06:52 am] skydiver  : trying to make sure when it happens - small losses :)   thnx joey
[06:53 am] joeytsa  : there ya go
[06:53 am] khall  : me too sky
[06:53 am] skydiver  : :)
[06:53 am] joeytsa  : CMI has been strong, see what it does at $97
[06:54 am] joeytsa  : Ed; they have 5min charts??  haha
[06:55 am] Ed : think so
[06:55 am] joeytsa  : :)
[06:55 am] khall  : thanks Ed
[06:55 am] Ed : CVLT was sweet Mitch
[06:55 am] skydiver  : thnx Ed - switching over to 5 minutes on CMI
[06:55 am] joeytsa  : yeah, both ways was nice
[06:56 am] apple  : very nice on CVLT'
[06:56 am] joeytsa  : chicago pmi came in better than expected,  CB consumer confidence out in a few
[06:57 am] joeytsa  : COH testing hod, having issues so far @ $52
[06:58 am] joeytsa  : LMNX spike
[06:58 am] joeytsa  : only 145k traded so far
[07:00 am] joeytsa  : consumer condifence up
[07:01 am] skydiver  : thnx Ed on CMI
[07:02 am] chinhngo  : buy cover alxn thank mr mith
[07:04 am] rusty  : FB radar
[07:05 am] apple  : thx rusty
[07:05 am] apple  : FSLR moving today
[07:05 am] skydiver  : thnx apple
[07:05 am] chinhngo  : arna  lod
[07:06 am] skydiver  : monitoring CRM
[07:06 am] joeytsa  : LNKD trying to find support
[07:06 am] joeytsa  : SHAW now trying to hold $38
[07:07 am] eyes  : CMI Short 96.48 out 1/5 .96 second half set to be
[07:07 am] eyes  : 1/2
[07:09 am] victor51  : Thanks Mitch  CVLT
[07:13 am] skydiver  : CRM L 124.02
[07:13 am] skydiver  : moving stop up on CRM to be
[07:14 am] skydiver  : reducing CRM by 1/2
[07:14 am] skydiver  : L
[07:14 am] joeytsa  : FWLT getting som eaction
[07:16 am] qwert  : all i see on mgam is earnings
[07:16 am] skydiver  : all out of CRM L - small profit
[07:17 am] rusty  : FB nlod
[07:19 am] eyes  : out second half CMI  +.30
[07:20 am] scalpman  : FB moving up
[07:27 am] skydiver  : Bernstein believes that Apple is considering a stock split and if so it could be included in the Dow Jones index.  From Fly on the Wall
[07:27 am] apple  : thx sky
[07:29 am] apple  : thx E
[07:30 am] go4it  : ALLT bounce
[07:31 am] apple  : thx go
[07:32 am] apple  : watching SBUX
[07:32 am] skydiver  : thx apple
[07:34 am] joeytsa  : DTG spike
[07:34 am] joeytsa  : only 100k traded
[07:35 am] skydiver  : feels like August has hit today -
[07:35 am] apple  : one more day....
[07:35 am] rusty  : JCP ceo coming up CNBC
[07:35 am] joeytsa  : as long as the first 30-60 minutes are like today, then im good :)
[07:35 am] skydiver  : agree joey - I didn't hit my $1000 goal, but close
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : thats ok, you have something better....time :)
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : the whole day to enjoy
[07:36 am] skydiver  : and at my age == that's precious :)
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : how old?
[07:36 am] skydiver  : 62
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : you got at least 40yrs
[07:36 am] skydiver  : :)
[07:37 am] skydiver  : still 29 years old in the old heart
[07:38 am] joeytsa  : body can last abotu 120yrs if you take care of it
[07:38 am] skydiver  : yeah and my spirit -- forever :)
[07:38 am] joeytsa  : there you go
[07:38 am] rusty  : JCP wants to be a destination store
[07:38 am] rusty  : ive heard it all now
[07:39 am] joeytsa  : you mean desolation??
[07:39 am] rusty  : barely want to go their to shop, now its a destination
[07:39 am] apple  : haha, they now want to discount everything everyday ...
[07:39 am] joeytsa  : they are having a clearance..they cleared out all of their customers :)
[07:39 am] rusty  : lol
[07:39 am] skydiver  : nice one joye :)
[07:40 am] joeytsa  : hate to say it, but still dont think they are the only ones
[07:40 am] joeytsa  : break time, see you all for the final 90..keep the good ones rollin'
[07:40 am] apple  : have fun joey
[07:40 am] skydiver  : take care joey
[07:41 am] joeytsa  : yeah Mitch, gotta get those early trades in and not get stuck in teh mud
[07:42 am] rusty  : VRNG radar
[07:43 am] rusty  : possible secondary offering
[07:43 am] apple  : thx rusty
[07:45 am] rusty  : Facebook (FB) upgraded to Market Perform from Underperform - Bernstein
[07:45 am] rusty  : and lowers its price target to $23 from $25.
[07:45 am] rusty  : lol
[07:46 am] apple  : thx again for info rusty
[07:46 am] rusty  : upgrades and lower target
[07:50 am] qwert  : TFM
[07:51 am] apple  : thx qwert, nice
[07:54 am] eyes  : careful new high tfm
[07:54 am] eyes  : on daily
[07:56 am] khall  : thanks eyes
[08:00 am] Ed : thats why that 60 area is key, been rejected their many time
[08:00 am] pirate  : watching CLF
[08:01 am] apple  : thx pirate
[08:01 am] scalpman  : I have Ninja Trader Simulator feeding off my Tradestation Account....investigating the chart trader
[08:03 am] skydiver  : have a great day all -- decent day - - :)   see you all in the morning
[08:03 am] eyes  : Ok i did not have enough data on my chart now i do thanks ED
[08:04 am] Ed : stil good observation
[08:04 am] apple  : bye sky have fun
[08:04 am] eyes  : I was only seeing 1 year
[08:07 am] Ed : 1 year is good
[08:09 am] eyes  : S 59.75 TFM
[08:11 am] eyes  : out 2/3 59.34
[08:11 am] eyes  : Set to BE last /13 TFM
[08:13 am] apple  : good job eyes
[08:15 am] apple  : ES testing 1382
[08:15 am] scalpman  : Ed...if you are not too busy, where are the moving average indicators for Ninja  control-I...but I don't see them. What are they called? thanks. (if time)
[08:16 am] jsn13  : it's called the sma scalp....
[08:17 am] eyes  : or EMA
[08:17 am] apple  : nice reversal on TFM
[08:17 am] eyes  : stoped be last 1/3
[08:17 am] eyes  : TFM
[08:19 am] Ed : thx guys agree with jsn and eyes
[08:19 am] scalpman  : thanks jsn
[08:20 am] scalpman  : tada....
[08:20 am] jsn13  : u r welcome scalp...
[08:20 am] Ed : so eyes and scalp, can tradestation be the data feed for ninja
[08:20 am] apple  : now i need to get ninja
[08:21 am] Ed : I read where it can
[08:21 am] eyes  : you can use it but not very good
[08:21 am] eyes  : I tryed it the other day
[08:21 am] Ed : which part is not good?
[08:22 am] eyes  : you are limited to the data you can get i will email you the link
[08:22 am] scalpman  : yes...ed, it links right up but they say it can only provide for a few charts. It bombs a lot.
[08:22 am] Ed : thx
[08:22 am] scalpman  : ..crashes
[08:22 am] Ed : thx
[08:23 am] scalpman  : I have built the charts now to look like our usual charts
[08:23 am] qwert  : Watching crus
[08:23 am] apple  : thx qwert
[08:23 am] scalpman  : have stochs vol, and SMA
[08:24 am] scalpman  : I'm starting now to learn it in preparation for "...you know what?"
[08:24 am] khall  : do you have pivots yet?
[08:25 am] eyes  : http://www.ninjatrader.com/ConnectionGuides/T radeStation-Connection-Guide.php
[08:25 am] eyes  : There it is ED
[08:25 am] apple  : thxx eyes
[08:26 am] scalpman  : Basically you set up a TS chart place the NJExternal Strategy on the chart. That allows Ninja to read it.
[08:26 am] scalpman  : Yes eyes, that is the connection guide online...very easy to follow. It worked the first time.
[08:27 am] eyes  : did you like it Scalp
[08:27 am] khall  : ninja also has good customer service and they are happy to answer questions
[08:27 am] scalpman  : I put on some sim trades (in NT) for FB and CVLT using the chart trader... I'm exploring...
[08:28 am] eyes  : I love Chart trader
[08:28 am] scalpman  : ..but watching also for any stock ideas here...
[08:28 am] khall  : me too
[08:28 am] eyes  : it helps eliminate emotions
[08:28 am] cdougan  : VVUS back to LOD Nice call Ed
[08:29 am] khall  : you can also set up auto strategies
[08:29 am] eyes  : thats what i have atm stra
[08:29 am] khall  : love them
[08:30 am] eyes  : ED you long TFM
[08:30 am] totora  : + day thx all
[08:31 am] Ed : thx cdougan
[08:31 am] apple  : bye totora, have fun
[08:32 am] khall  : see you totora
[08:32 am] Ed : nice going totora
[08:33 am] scalpman  : KHall, the ATM strategy window is in ticks...trying to modify that.. thanks if you have moment.
[08:34 am] eyes  : Right click properties on chart trader
[08:34 am] khall  : let me look for my documentation on that
[08:35 am] qwert  : apple u get the crus short
[08:35 am] scalpman  : that;s it....parameters
[08:36 am] khall  : thanks eyes
[08:36 am] scalpman  : I have a lot of studying to dl.
[08:36 am] scalpman  : do
[08:36 am] scalpman  : It is very intuitive...
[08:36 am] apple  : no
[08:36 am] eyes  : See you all latter on Good Luck
[08:37 am] qwert  : cya eyes
[08:37 am] apple  : bye eyes have fun
[08:37 am] scalpman  : I am CVLT S @ 50.60
[08:37 am] rusty  : TIVO radar
[08:38 am] scalpman  : 1st target is 50 fib retrace at 49.91
[08:39 am] scalpman  : covering 2/3 on CVLT S
[08:48 am] scalpman  : I'm can certainly study on my own, but if anyone using NJ wants to give me  little primer on the chart set up and ATM, here is my email...thanks  gsbmedal@comcast.net
[08:48 am] scalpman  : (after trading hours of course)
[08:48 am] scalpman  : I'm in Chicago (DST)
[08:49 am] scalpman  : CVLT testing newer low
[08:52 am] joeytsa  : yeah scalp, ninja is deep...i just have a basic understading or i would try to help
[08:54 am] apple  : can i be copied on that email as well -- need to get ninja asap - kitzingerp@yahoo.com.  many thanks
[08:55 am] qwert  : me to please ikenberry5@msn.com
[08:56 am] scalpman  : Everybody wants help me too me too (ha)...
[08:56 am] go4it  : CVLT out
[08:56 am] apple  : the ES is so range-bound at 1380-82
[08:56 am] scalpman  : All out (covered) CVLT S on that last drop
[08:57 am] Ed : nice trading scalp
[08:57 am] apple  : good job
[08:57 am] scalpman  : thanks ed...didn't have my last limit low enough.
[08:57 am] go4it  : entry was 50.63
[08:57 am] scalpman  : broke through 76% on the fib
[08:57 am] joeytsa  : scalp: you might like the chart trader though
[08:57 am] scalpman  : probably heading even lower.
[08:57 am] apple  : very nice go
[08:58 am] go4it  : thks Mitchie
[08:58 am] apple  : AGN nice short
[08:58 am] go4it  : tks Apple
[08:58 am] scalpman  : Thanks apple...
[08:59 am] scalpman  : 5 green 1 b.e.  1 loss (FB stopped)
[08:59 am] joeytsa  : nice day
[09:00 am] scalpman  : .and some good education on NJ....
[09:00 am] scalpman  : a very productive morning...
[09:00 am] apple  : the olympics have been great so far
[09:00 am] scalpman  : Yes... love the olympics. We are gymnastic fans...
[09:00 am] joeytsa  : yeah apple, im trying to find out when my buddy runs..will let you know
[09:01 am] scalpman  : We're glued to NBC primetime in the eves.  gluttons...
[09:02 am] apple  : oh, really, great joey.  don't they do that towards the end?
[09:02 am] scalpman  : I work on NJ during the commericals. (ha)
[09:02 am] apple  : watched men's & women's beach volleyball - grueling
[09:03 am] scalpman  : Time for me to depart....thanks all...great discussion and traing ideas....feel great !
[09:03 am] apple  : but absolutely love the swimming.  sync diving was also interested -- how do they do that?!
[09:03 am] scalpman  : See you all tomorrow.
[09:03 am] apple  : interesting
[09:03 am] apple  : bye scalp
[09:03 am] apple  : have fun
[09:03 am] scalpman  : by apple. you bet
[09:03 am] Ed : c ya scalp
[09:03 am] scalpman  : bye ed
[09:03 am] cdougan  : I'm out too. Have a great day everyone and thanks for the calls.
[09:03 am] eddy  : bye scalp cdougan
[09:03 am] qwert  : bye scalp
[09:03 am] qwert  : bye cdoug
[09:04 am] Ed : c ya cdougan
[09:04 am] joeytsa  : ES into overnight support area
[09:04 am] scalpman  : Oh...i for got, I still am in NJ simulator Short on CVLT...
[09:04 am] apple  : joey - it loved that 1377 area all yesterday
[09:04 am] khall  : LOL
[09:04 am] scalpman  : up 1.71 wow...
[09:04 am] apple  : haha, scalp
[09:04 am] joeytsa  : yeah apple
[09:06 am] joeytsa  : see you in an hour :)
[09:06 am] murano  : ARR
[09:06 am] Ed : cmi
[09:06 am] Ed : sorry wrong screen
[09:07 am] go4it  : Putting house on market have to relocate my setup from family room to upstairs spare bdrm. C U mannanaI'm relocating setup from family room
[09:07 am] apple  : thx murano
[09:07 am] scalpman  : ok...bye now.
[09:07 am] apple  : bye go - have fun
[09:07 am] scalpman  : Scalpman has left the building
[09:07 am] Ed : c ya bruce
[09:07 am] go4it  : Fun !!!
[09:08 am] apple  : yeah, enjoy
[09:08 am] go4it  : I'll miss the big screen
[09:08 am] apple  : where are you moving to?
[09:09 am] go4it  : wife wants horse property don'know yet
[09:10 am] apple  : nice
[09:11 am] Ed : nice one murano
[09:13 am] apple  : nice drop on ACTG
[09:16 am] rusty  : FB nlod
[09:23 am] qwert  : Ed did you get the long and short on ACTG
[09:23 am] Ed : yes
[09:23 am] qwert  : nice
[09:24 am] qwert  : where did u short at
[09:24 am] Ed : see how u got bounce but then it start to wither
[09:24 am] Ed : 25.97
[09:24 am] qwert  : yes i a really trying to identify that action
[09:25 am] jsn13  : and where is ur stop?
[09:25 am] qwert  : a=am
[09:25 am] rusty  : PIMCO's Gross prophesies death of equities in August outlook
[09:25 am] jsn13  : i shorted at 25.95 and stopped at 26.20....then it dropped down after kicking me out....
[09:26 am] eddy  : Ed how could you know ACTG  wud bounce now?
[09:26 am] rusty  : Pimco's Bill Gross Paid $200 Million Last Year, N.Y. Times Says
[09:26 am] Ed : my stop was 26.03 i got stopped and reshorted
[09:27 am] jsn13  : uh thats a good lesson.....thanks alot....
[09:27 am] Ed : I dont mind keeping my stop tight
[09:27 am] eddy  : ed u long now?
[09:27 am] jsn13  : agree with this kind of breakdown, u want fast spike down....
[09:28 am] jsn13  : if it bounces, might turn out to be a failed breaout....
[09:28 am] Ed : great question eddy, especially on these type of trades I got 1st long and the short, I exited the 2nd long to anwser questions
[09:28 am] jsn13  : so keeping the stop tight but still reasonable is wise i think....
[09:29 am] eddy  : but wat is the indication of the reversal either way
[09:29 am] Ed : alot of it comes from studying many chart patterns
[09:29 am] eddy  : very hard to identufy
[09:29 am] eddy  : i saw nothing that implied to short
[09:29 am] Ed : also adding some comon applications of life
[09:29 am] jsn13  : what price did u get it long ed?
[09:29 am] eddy  : or long for that matter
[09:29 am] Ed : which time jason
[09:29 am] jsn13  : 2nd time
[09:30 am] jsn13  : the one juz above 25 bucks....and where is ur stop?
[09:30 am] Ed : 1st eddy the stock had dropped from 30 all the way down to 26 area, like a ruberband real life, so ur looking for some type of bounce
[09:31 am] Ed : ur looking for selling to cease, stock to stop going down b4 attempting a long
[09:31 am] eddy  : is it worth going long now?
[09:32 am] Ed : once ur in stock like ACTG when stocl moved from  entry 26.79 to 27.32 it should have moved up quite a bit more vased on huge drop which let me know to be careful
[09:33 am] jsn13  : eddy, u need to learn candlestick to have the clues that it has stopped going down and show rejection to lower prices at 12.14 est bar...
[09:33 am] Ed : so I took my profits and waited to see what woulld happen
[09:33 am] Ed : and sure enough stock was weak, so my clue to go short was that stock had dropped nicely, bounce is weak, good moneuy still on short side
[09:34 am] Ed : I would not take it long here
[09:34 am] Ed : just from risk stand point
[09:34 am] eddy  : k
[09:34 am] apple  : as it's moving up... thx E for your explanation - it all helps to understand what is happening
[09:35 am] jsn13  : ed, may i know ur entry price for both the long on ACTG? thanks....
[09:35 am] jsn13  : and also exit.....thanks....
[09:35 am] Ed : 26.79 1st time, 2nd time was
[09:35 am] Ed : 25.42
[09:36 am] jsn13  : stop at below low? which is bout 2% for both right?
[09:36 am] Ed : my sto was set there but does not mean I would let it get there
[09:37 am] qwert  : EXPE new hod
[09:37 am] jsn13  : for the 2nd long, it did came back down to revisit ur entry....but u did not exit right?
[09:38 am] Ed : but I did already exit my 2nd long at 25.93 I got out to field questions
[09:38 am] Ed : it never came back to my entry price
[09:39 am] jsn13  : i mean u entered at 12.22 bar right, the next minute it actually fluctuate down quite abit....
[09:39 am] jsn13  : so my question is, do u still hold on to ur position with below lod stop?
[09:40 am] Ed : no I entered 12:24
[09:40 am] jsn13  : got it....thanks....
[09:40 am] jsn13  : u did not take it at 12.23 bar cos u want more confirmation right?
[09:41 am] Ed : not enough information 12:22 or 12:23
[09:41 am] Ed : it could still go down, no strong support from buyers those times yet
[09:42 am] Ed : even if u know nothing of candles, at those times the candles still in downtrend
[09:42 am] Ed : see that, the flow is still down
[09:42 am] jsn13  : ur entry is when it broke the minor downtrendline resistance?
[09:42 am] Ed : at 12:22 and 12:23
[09:43 am] jsn13  : with 25 potential support?
[09:43 am] Ed : I drew that so u could vissually see what Im talking about in regards to candles
[09:43 am] apple  : thx E
[09:43 am] jsn13  : 1st higher high on the downtrend right? yup i saw it....thanks alot....
[09:44 am] jsn13  : very useful...makes ur entry price legit....
[09:44 am] Ed : order flow still mostly sellers is what Im pointin out and that is relfected in candles
[09:44 am] jsn13  : ok got it....
[09:45 am] Ed : then once u entere, looking at larger picture u want the lod to hold. So u look for that or a higher low to form if ur playing long
[09:46 am] jsn13  : if u r wiating for higher low, which bar would be the entry?
[09:47 am] apple  : but no re-entry when it cleared the noise at about 26, you don't think with increased volume it would have been a good long?
[09:47 am] jsn13  : the 12.34 bar?
[09:47 am] apple  : 12:35?
[09:49 am] Ed : for me personally on stock that are negative I just dont like those entries that high. Just for me not saying not great entry. So if u do enter at area I drew where would ur stop be?? to give a chance for setup to work?
[09:49 am] Ed : negative on daily
[09:50 am] jsn13  : agree...thats the area to watch if u r long...not a good entry level for me either....
[09:51 am] Ed : Thats why I said what I did eddy? See some do not mind risking that much
[09:52 am] eddy  : i hear u Ed i still find this kind of trade challenging
[09:53 am] Ed : 3 years ago it was very challenging for me too
[09:54 am] Ed : Sim is great way, but I traded real money to master it buy only used 10 shares to get the emotional feel
[09:54 am] jsn13  : no one can be a genius overnight eddy....to be as successful as ed, we need 3 years at least....but by learning from ed, im confident that i only need 1.5years....fast tarck to success....
[09:55 am] Ed : I think Mitch mentioned that as well 18 months
[09:55 am] apple  : so E let me understand this your second entry long, what happened?
[09:56 am] jsn13  : ya ed, what gives u the edge when u have negative order flow...
[09:56 am] Ed : I saw I was getting questions and want to give my attention so I exited
[09:56 am] apple  : ok, that's what i thought, so you would have still been in the trade then?
[09:57 am] Ed : eventually they will be overtaken by buyers, u can see that with the action of the stock/candles
[09:57 am] jsn13  : on the 2nd long, why u enter? what is the signal? what candles?
[09:57 am] apple  : right, see that now
[09:57 am] Ed : I would have taken 3/4 at around 26.27 and be sittin on last 1/4
[09:58 am] jsn13  : traaling it with 20 sma
[09:58 am] Ed : yes
[09:58 am] Ed : that is what we have been speaking on jsn my 2nd entry
[09:58 am] apple  : right, but there is a MA cross at about 26ish, you don't think that would have been a good entry after the consolidation?
[09:59 am] jsn13  : ed, may i know what candles u used to enter 2nd long?
[09:59 am] Ed : look at chart
[10:00 am] jsn13  : so the entry is the break of the downtredn line that u drew right?
[10:00 am] Ed : It would be apple just not my style thats all
[10:01 am] apple  : oh, ok.  thx. i understand what you were saying about your other entries.
[10:01 am] Ed : I was showing you what im seeing when it comes to stock bottoming, its best way I could think of
[10:02 am] Ed : sellers in charge 12:22 and 12:23 then buyers overtake 12:24
[10:02 am] jsn13  : at 12.22 bar, there is an indecision between buyers and sellers....at 12.23 the range of th bar is small giving clue that sellers are losing strength....so at 12.24 bar once the price took off break above the downtrendline ressitance, u entered....
[10:02 am] apple  : i get the bottoming and would have entered there as well.  but i was thinking about eddy's Q
[10:02 am] eddy  : which apple?
[10:03 am] apple  : about going long
[10:03 am] jsn13  : with a stop below lod at 25.06 maybe....and once it goes weak, u would be cautious....am i right?
[10:03 am] eddy  : ya i wud have ...but im trying to be a cautious trader now. im in capital oreservation mode now
[10:04 am] eddy  : preservation
[10:04 am] eddy  : it went flying...geees
[10:04 am] apple  : it was a 2pt move
[10:04 am] Ed : Right so u either do not trade these at all, or go much much smaller position size
[10:04 am] eddy  : no trade for me until im proficient
[10:04 am] Ed : Nice going eddy
[10:05 am] eddy  : im concentrating on UVXY  latelt an easier trade with many opportuinities a day
[10:05 am] jsn13  : like 1/2 position cos risk it greater than 1%....but i like the edge there.....like ur entry bar ed....thanks....learnt soemthing new....
[10:06 am] qwert  : anyone remember how to add an interval button on esignal
[10:06 am] eddy  : ED those are valuable learnings today . will they be posted in DSR OF  Tom?
[10:07 am] Ed : This is what happens to many of us, We enter trading with excitement, we lose money and majority continue. We have some success but no consistency. By the time we figure out things we dont have the money to continue. This is why its paramount to do sim and when u start live trade extremely small share size. This is key as one does and will pay money to the markets (its called losses)
[10:08 am] Ed : I sure it will eddy
[10:08 am] eddy  : great
[10:09 am] Ed : I know it may not sound sexy but trading 10 shares is how I learned how to the fast movers once I moved from sim
[10:09 am] Ed : Once u get consistent, thats when one gradually increase position size
[10:10 am] victor51  : Thanks for ACTG. Entry 26. Out 1/2 at 28
[10:10 am] apple  : nice going victor
[10:10 am] Ed : nice vicotr
[10:12 am] apple  : one thing i like about the 5 min chart - eliminates the noise
[10:12 am] Ed : tremendously
[10:18 am] apple  : funny thing on ACTG you could just see the exhaustion before it just broke down
[10:19 am] jsn13  : Ed, may i know ur entrty price and time for VVUS short?
[10:19 am] eyes  : I am back how was the trading
[10:20 am] victor51  : All out ACTG. Could not get more than $2,00 but good experience.
[10:20 am] eyes  : Wow good for you Vic
[10:20 am] apple  : excellent victor
[10:21 am] eddy  : well done vic ...real or sim?
[10:21 am] victor51  : Thanks Apple, Eye ,Ed and whole bunch more
[10:22 am] jsn13  : Victor, would u be free after market closes?
[10:22 am] victor51  : Eddy. I am in real although ave. size
[10:22 am] Ed : I meantioned that one way back at 10:48 or something I said look for VVUS bounce into 21.70ish area and see how stock reacts it has been weak
[10:23 am] joeytsa  : eddy: be careful with uvxy, only has a 40cent range today
[10:23 am] eddy  : i know joey ...been on it al session ..doing fine so far up 2% overall...i hope i dnt loose them before close :)
[10:24 am] jsn13  : yup i saw ur posts...juz now im not sure which bar is a good entry....i wanna have ur price and time as reference....i learn by reverse engineering....haha....
[10:24 am] joeytsa  : if it works for you great :)
[10:24 am] apple  : E you are good - there was an SMA cross on that one at about 22.20 and it continues to follow the 8 sma
[10:25 am] Ed : that post was 10:48 so will let u do some homework jsn
[10:25 am] Ed : thx apple
[10:25 am] apple  : joey and i like the big movers...
[10:25 am] joeytsa  : big enough to be able to scalp at least
[10:25 am] jsn13  : so ur entry is? as in the time u ahve all the clues...
[10:25 am] apple  : i am getting a delay when posting
[10:26 am] jsn13  : im trying to not get over conservative or agressive....
[10:27 am] eyes  : CL down almost 2 points on the day
[10:27 am] Ed : Dont get so hookep on price, see how stock is reacting around particular area
[10:27 am] eddy  : so how wud u handle VVUS now ED
[10:28 am] Ed : I know we do through numbers out there but its important to see how stock reacts
[10:29 am] jsn13  : ok ed, would 10.58 bar a good entry? had difficulties at yesterday's low resistance...
[10:30 am] jsn13  : or can we enter at 10.48 bar?
[10:30 am] Ed : best way to handle now since been going down all day, is look at daily and see where key support areas are, If stock is close u want it to pullback(in this regard weak stock u want it to bounce into trendline area or pivots and see if buyers really come in) if stilll weak work taking sample position like smaller share size short. Optimall would be shorting once stock loses key area on daily with vol
[10:32 am] Ed : It realy not concrete on number, see once u get weak stock on radar u want price where it makes sense for ur risk reward setup
[10:33 am] Ed : I know it may seems like im being vague, but as trader u have to be able to look at chart and make quick decisions
[10:33 am] jsn13  : so aas long as it is close to ur stop, u can enter? no exact method? looking at overall sentiment + price actions?
[10:34 am] Ed : See u have the tools jsn and more u excercise them the better off u will be
[10:34 am] Ed : right
[10:35 am] Ed : see u may get better price than me, as to why im being vague. OUr goal is to teach you how to fish, not fish for you
[10:35 am] jsn13  : im weak in determinng the support resistance....can u go over how u find those in VVUS? like how u move from daily to 15min to 2 day 1 min...
[10:36 am] Ed : In starting out if thats a weakness best to have up daily and the timeframe u trade on  that will give u key information
[10:36 am] jsn13  : i understand ed....but i like having reference....thats juz how i learn.....i like to see how u fish...what u use....dont like wasting time starting from scratch....
[10:37 am] Ed : But what happens the day I croak, just asexample u never want to become too dependant on a person in this regard
[10:37 am] Ed : This is daily chart up on VVUS
[10:37 am] apple  : LONG LIVE e, LONG LIVE e!!!!
[10:37 am] jsn13  : understand....thanks....
[10:40 am] Ed : So when I looked at my 1min chart I was trading on and saw that VVUs had broken down from 21.76 yesterdays low, to 21.36 I missed it. So thats when I mentioned to watch to see how stock reacts to the area it had broken down from
[10:40 am] Ed : that area happen to be 21.70ish area
[10:41 am] Ed : the edge is fact that stock is downtrend on daily and just bounced into potential resistance so if get signal in that area odds on my side to take it short
[10:42 am] Ed : This is also how u allow a stock to setup for you, no chasing
[10:42 am] jsn13  : the strongest resistance here is the level where it broke down from right?
[10:43 am] Ed : would not worry about term strongest just most recent area it broke from
[10:43 am] jsn13  : ok gotcha....thanks...
[10:44 am] apple  : nice E, got it.  makes great sense.  just need to be aware of it
[10:45 am] jsn13  : so ed, LOGM break of 19.50 area with huge volume seems to be the type of breakout trade that u mentioned previously....
[10:46 am] qwert  : Great explanation Ed   thx
[10:46 am] jsn13  : a nice short....
[10:46 am] jsn13  : qwert, have u practiced playing this type fo trade?
[10:46 am] qwert  : yes
[10:47 am] jsn13  : what stocks did u trade using this strategy?
[10:47 am] jsn13  : i mean for today.....
[10:48 am] Ed : on the one hand its simple as far as setup, we can complicate it as traders. I still do that
[10:48 am] qwert  : not today got a new computer and have had bugs to work out and getting used to new configuration
[10:48 am] jsn13  : the challenging part is to cacth good rpices....
[10:49 am] eddy  : btw Joey the .40 cents of the low on UVXY is more than 5% range. not good for your style?
[10:49 am] Ed : u have bugs in urs qwert
[10:50 am] apple  : haha
[10:50 am] apple  : watching LQDT
[10:50 am] qwert  : just had issues with the firewall wouldnt let me execute a trade this am had to call lightspeed to figure it out
[10:50 am] Ed : oh
[10:51 am] qwert  : loving it though
[10:51 am] Ed : which one u go with
[10:51 am] Ed : similar to  mine or more
[10:52 am] qwert  : i think more but only because of the new technology
[10:53 am] apple  : SPY moving
[10:53 am] qwert  : i used your order as a starting point and talked with craig  he was great
[10:54 am] qwert  : i cant believe how cool the tower is
[10:54 am] eyes  : What kind of hard drive you have qwert
[10:54 am] qwert  : cool as in cold
[10:55 am] qwert  : #1 is solid state
[10:55 am] qwert  : #2 is regular
[10:56 am] rusty  : HLF radar
[10:56 am] apple  : thx rusty
[10:56 am] Ed : really very helpful Craig is
[10:57 am] qwert  : yeah he was great
[10:59 am] rusty  : ALLT radar
[11:02 am] apple  : thx rusty
[11:03 am] qwert  : volume went byby on allt
[11:10 am] jsn13  : Mitch, can u show us how Lightning did on the ALLT long that u called in the a.m.?
[11:25 am] joeytsa  : eddy you still here?
[11:25 am] rusty  : MED radar based on daily chart - volume not too good tho
[11:26 am] jsn13  : Ed, is ur entry for OCZ at the open of the big red bar after the max volume bar?
[11:26 am] Ed : no
[11:26 am] jsn13  : thats too agreesive? so where is ur entry?
[11:27 am] jsn13  : and what price?
[11:27 am] apple  : thx rusty'
[11:27 am] Ed : oh yeah sorry misread
[11:28 am] apple  : haha
[11:28 am] jsn13  : ed, can u draw a vertical line at ur entry bar?
[11:28 am] jsn13  : 14.16?
[11:39 am] eddy  : done for the day
[11:39 am] eddy  : see u tom
[11:39 am] Ed : c ya edy
[11:39 am] apple  : bye eddy have fun
[11:50 am] apple  : what did they do?
[11:51 am] apple  : something is really up with that -- 7 pts?
[11:54 am] joeytsa  : DNB trading again
[11:57 am] skydiver  : just jumped on for a bit -- wow on DNB
[12:01 pm] eyes  : S DNB 81.89 out 1/2 .80 1/4 1.60
[12:01 pm] skydiver  : covering DNB S
[12:01 pm] skydiver  : 3/4 of DNB short - covered that is
[12:03 pm] skydiver  : thnx Ed!
[12:03 pm] qwert  : thx for DNB  :))
[12:03 pm] skydiver  : who called DNB - ??
[12:03 pm] apple  : great job sky!
[12:03 pm] skydiver  : made my lunch time here at my office :)
[12:03 pm] joeytsa  : yeah, nice short
[12:04 pm] Ed : ur welcome
[12:04 pm] apple  : we love you E!
[12:04 pm] skydiver  : glad I jumped back on --
[12:04 pm] joeytsa  : Ed gets the gold medal :)
[12:05 pm] rusty  : MLNX radar
[12:05 pm] joeytsa  : much easier than seeing you on the woman's gymnastic team :)
[12:05 pm] eyes  : out last 1/4 +2.08
[12:05 pm] qwert  : way to go eyes
[12:05 pm] apple  : haha
[12:05 pm] apple  : very good eyes
[12:06 pm] skydiver  : nice eyes
[12:06 pm] rusty  : and ears
[12:06 pm] eyes  : The sad Part is it is virtual i cant trade waiting for transfer to ninja
[12:06 pm] qwert  : watching TRIP
[12:07 pm] eyes  : up =629 go figure
[12:09 pm] Ed : just go back and learn from it and it will pay for itslef eyes
[12:09 pm] jsn13  : eyes, im impresssed to see ur improvement...what did u do differently eyes?
[12:10 pm] murano  : MGLN
[12:10 pm] joeytsa  : yeah that took a dump
[12:11 pm] murano  : Thanks for DNB Ed.
[12:12 pm] apple  : another one.... too bad we didn't get it before it dumped.
[12:12 pm] jsn13  : How bout MGLN mitch? can u inform us when buy signal appears?
[12:12 pm] Ed : ur right apple
[12:13 pm] apple  : that would be nice, jsn
[12:14 pm] aussie123  : Ready when you are...Pull out the Lightning
[12:14 pm] jsn13  : thanks alot mitch....
[12:17 pm] jsn13  : So now is there an early sell signal from Lighning?
[12:19 pm] jsn13  : Mitch, was it after or before it broke new low?
[12:20 pm] jsn13  : what time is the sell signal on DNB?
[12:20 pm] Ed : thats the pattern jsn, when u get weak bounce u cn short brekn low with vol
[12:20 pm] jsn13  : yup...exactly.....got that....
[12:22 pm] jsn13  : Mitch, can we place order early like now? is there an early bird discount? :-)
[12:22 pm] apple  : haha jsn
[12:22 pm] apple  : thx MK
[12:22 pm] Ed : If u took MGLN short would cover some here
[12:22 pm] apple  : thx E
[12:23 pm] eyes  : So what is it going to cost that is the question
[12:23 pm] jsn13  : nice one ed....
[12:23 pm] apple  : friends of MK...
[12:25 pm] skydiver  : thnx Mitch on showing Lightning - very nice even with the gargabe signal
[12:26 pm] jsn13  : Nice Mitch!!! This si the power of a good trading system....
[12:27 pm] rusty  : ACOM radar
[12:27 pm] Ed : thx rusty
[12:27 pm] gregs  : thx for MGLN
[12:29 pm] jsn13  : Mitch, why is it not good?
[12:29 pm] jsn13  : ok thanks....
[12:30 pm] Ed : have fun Mitch
[12:30 pm] jsn13  : thanks alot for showing us mitch....
[12:30 pm] joeytsa  : thanks Mitch
[12:31 pm] Ed : jsn did u short MGLN breaking down
[12:31 pm] apple  : thx MK
[12:32 pm] skydiver  : Sounds good Mitch - -when done I'll be wanting to buy it as well :)
[12:32 pm] eyes  : Ok thanks for the answer
[12:32 pm] apple  : friends of MK price...
[12:34 pm] Ed : hey qwert did u short MGLN?
[12:34 pm] jsn13  : i already closed my charts when i saw it....but i watched hwo it acts....learnt from watching.....decided to stop trading early and watch....
[12:34 pm] qwert  : nope  :)
[12:34 pm] Ed : nice getting the study in
[12:34 pm] apple  : great, i have been in all of those...
[12:35 pm] jsn13  : but that was like a text book trade...broke below 49 that we can have the stop loss placed juz above that.....
[12:35 pm] qwert  : yeah i keep thinking one way have to have more open mind
[12:35 pm] Ed : I really like those like DNB
[12:35 pm] jsn13  : min risk max reward.....great trade....
[12:35 pm] qwert  : DNB was great
[12:36 pm] apple  : that was a great E - and when they come along, Pounce
[12:36 pm] jsn13  : by the way, which u bar u took DNB short ed?
[12:36 pm] Ed : yep, I stopped on long for small  I mean really small, but more than made up for it on short side with MGLN
[12:36 pm] rusty  : Can Lightning Auto-trade?
[12:36 pm] qwert  : nice
[12:37 pm] murano  : FIRE
[12:37 pm] Ed : like .15 on stop and plus  1.73 short
[12:37 pm] gregs  : MGLN long trailing 1/4 position, +1.24
[12:38 pm] Ed : get em gregs nice going
[12:38 pm] skydiver  : nice one gregs
[12:38 pm] gregs  : thanks ed!
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : nice one greg :)
[12:38 pm] apple  : great job greg
[12:38 pm] Ed : FIRE is on fire
[12:39 pm] apple  : nice on FIRE - a couple of surprises this pm
[12:40 pm] victor51  : Mitch, Sell signal yet on DNB?? I am short
[12:41 pm] victor51  : Mitch yes to cover
[12:42 pm] apple  : victor that's a buy signal then (or cover if short)
[12:43 pm] skydiver  : I still have 1/4 left in DNB S
[12:43 pm] victor51  : Thanks Mitch
[12:44 pm] qwert  : yes
[12:44 pm] apple  : y
[12:46 pm] rusty  : it would be most efficient if you would just trade my account for me, where do I send my money
[12:46 pm] skydiver  : covered final 1/4 of DNB S
[12:46 pm] apple  : haha rusty...
[12:46 pm] jsn13  : Ed, which bar did u enter DNB short?
[12:46 pm] apple  : just keep up the alert window -- we don't even need the charts then
[12:47 pm] skydiver  : nice Mitch!! :)
[12:48 pm] victor51  : Thanks Mitch and everyone. All out DNB short +1.70
[12:48 pm] apple  : good one victor!
[12:48 pm] joeytsa  : im here
[12:49 pm] joeytsa  : euro/usd??
[12:49 pm] victor51  : mitch, covered right on. It's cool
[12:50 pm] apple  : that's what it looks like joey
[12:50 pm] gregs  : amazing how lightning isn't shaken out of trades like MA would be
[12:50 pm] gregs  : and how quick it is, not lagging
[12:51 pm] apple  : autotrade?
[12:51 pm] joeytsa  : grab one of those, go back to sleep and take the day off :)
[12:51 pm] apple  : sounds like a plan, joey
[12:52 pm] apple  : only kidding...
[12:52 pm] joeytsa  : and free fortune cookies
[12:52 pm] skydiver  : Hey - I'm very impressed Mitch -- awesome
[12:52 pm] apple  : i am so excited for this...
[12:53 pm] qwert  : We are ready
[12:53 pm] joeytsa  : nice money in those
[12:53 pm] apple  : we are sooooooooooooooooo ready...
[12:53 pm] apple  : oh, yeah
[12:53 pm] victor51  : Mitch, I just opened Forex account on TS. Will be ready for the new system
[12:53 pm] jsn13  : Mitch, can u use it to swing trade? or is it designed juz for day trading?
[12:55 pm] jsn13  : nice nice.....
[12:55 pm] joeytsa  : looks great
[12:55 pm] apple  : i love it, like a fun rollercoaster ride
[12:56 pm] rusty  : Will Lightning work directly with brokers?
[12:56 pm] joeytsa  : futures is all i use ninja for...cant complain
[12:56 pm] victor51  : Mitch, will your system available 24/7 so we can trade Forex all day??
[12:57 pm] apple  : not bad, not bad at alll
[12:57 pm] joeytsa  : agreed Mitch
[12:58 pm] victor51  : Thanks Mitch.
[12:58 pm] gregs  : Mitch, just for kicks have you backtested lightning?  Just following signals as they come, is it consistently profitable?
[12:59 pm] apple  : good advice MK
[12:59 pm] apple  : greg, what do you think?
[12:59 pm] rusty  : Will Lightning work directly with brokers?
[01:00 pm] gregs  : of crouse, i'm interesting in numbers being a math head myself :)
[01:00 pm] gregs  : interested
[01:00 pm] jsn13  : gregs u r a programmer right?
[01:00 pm] gregs  : yes, ex-programmer... in my slave life
[01:00 pm] gregs  : :)
[01:00 pm] joeytsa  : no more slave life
[01:00 pm] jsn13  : hahaha....u r funny....
[01:00 pm] apple  : he has been working on this for months with a team... i think he has covered all the bases
[01:01 pm] gregs  : yes, i was trying to phrase the question openly... interested in what kind of numbers, having backtested a couple simple systems myself
[01:02 pm] jsn13  : why there is no buy signal on VRTX at the bottom?
[01:03 pm] apple  : love it
[01:03 pm] apple  : he said it's hidden
[01:03 pm] jsn13  : wow they are too shy to show up?
[01:03 pm] apple  : haha
[01:04 pm] gregs  : where's waldo
[01:05 pm] gregs  : it's awesome mitch, i can't wait
[01:05 pm] jsn13  : Mitch, don't forget to give deep early bird discount for us who would buy on the 1st day it's released.....
[01:06 pm] jsn13  : We help u break the record....
[01:06 pm] ben4givn  : how did you know?
[01:07 pm] skydiver  : very very very nice Mitch
[01:07 pm] joeytsa  : good plan
[01:07 pm] skydiver  : yep!
[01:07 pm] jsn13  : perfectly...
[01:07 pm] gregs  : impressed, yes
[01:08 pm] apple  : bless you MK for all your hard work... new millionaires around the corner!
[01:08 pm] skydiver  : I'll be able to multi-task here at my office doing this too :)
[01:08 pm] skydiver  : good point
[01:08 pm] khall  : I'm so excited about this.  Can't wait till it's available - this will really change things
[01:08 pm] skydiver  : gotcha -- will have to close the door or use headphones :)
[01:08 pm] khall  : you'll have to keep your door shut - LOL
[01:09 pm] jsn13  : put on headphones then....I love KA CHINGS sounds....
[01:09 pm] skydiver  : nice jsn13 :)
[01:09 pm] apple  : me too jsn!
[01:09 pm] khall  : that looks like the CRM chart this afternoon
[01:09 pm] jsn13  : especially those that go non-stop....
[01:10 pm] jsn13  : maybe we can have some Ka Ching sounds as our alerts....
[01:10 pm] gregs  : lol jsn
[01:10 pm] eyes  : ninja does that on chart trader
[01:10 pm] jsn13  : btw how does the audio alert sound like?
[01:11 pm] joeytsa  : nice
[01:11 pm] apple  : love, love it....
[01:11 pm] jsn13  : haha...
[01:11 pm] joeytsa  : as long as its not my wife saying " buy" :)
[01:12 pm] skydiver  : Okay - have to go -- but impressed -- you is the man Mitch!!   Thanks!  see you all in the moring
[01:12 pm] gregs  : take care sky
[01:12 pm] ben4givn  : yeah, already have women's voice saying "buy", but it isn't about stock.
[01:12 pm] joeytsa  : bye sky
[01:12 pm] apple  : haha ben
[01:12 pm] apple  : have fun sky
[01:12 pm] skydiver  : :)
[01:12 pm] apple  : love FIRE... just don't get burned
[01:13 pm] joeytsa  : funny
[01:14 pm] joeytsa  : take your time and get it right
[01:14 pm] apple  : thx so much MK, truly appreciate it
[01:14 pm] ben4givn  : thanks Mitch... it looks great
[01:14 pm] victor51  : Mitch, looks cool. Thanks and see you
[01:14 pm] jsn13  : thanks mitch.....looking forward to the release...
[01:14 pm] gregs  : mitch, the reason i asked about profits is because i wrote a scanner that tracks all your charts in NT and gives you a mechanized profit for each chart... you can sort all the symbols to see which is doing best... so for lightning, the ideas is choose the stocks that lightning is already spitting out trades in
[01:15 pm] gregs  : if that makes any sense at all
[01:15 pm] apple  : you are the man, greg!
[01:15 pm] gregs  : still working out kinks
[01:15 pm] khall  : wow greg...  way to go!
[01:15 pm] gregs  : helps me with my trading to avoid the non-trenders
[01:16 pm] gregs  : will do mitch
[01:16 pm] gregs  : cool definitely sounds like some synergy there
[01:16 pm] apple  : now all i need to do is get ninja
[01:17 pm] khall  : apple, I think you will like it once you get it up and running
[01:17 pm] joeytsa  : have a great day Mitch
[01:17 pm] gregs  : take care mitch, everyone
[01:17 pm] khall  : bye Mitch
[01:18 pm] apple  : will do that in a little while
[01:18 pm] apple  : thx MK,  have a fun evening
[01:18 pm] apple  : thx E and everyone.  all have a wonderful evening.  see you tomorrow morning.
[01:18 pm] khall  : you too apple - see everyone tomorrow
[01:20 pm] eyes  : Good Night Everyone
[01:23 pm] jsn13  : victor r u still here?

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