Chat Highlights From 04/14/2014

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(05:58 am) JoeyTSA :gap down: MDT,ACOR,ASML
(05:59 am) JoeyTSA :gap up: EW,AHL,TSLA
(06:00 am) Mitch King:Premarket UP:  FB, BA, AHL, EW, KNDI, HLF, C, GILD, GOOG,  Premarket DOWN:  ALU, ERIC, MDT, NBG,  We could get a big bounce today.  I would look for an initial move up, then pullback and then a higher move.
(06:22 am) Mitch King:Other stocks watching:  V, JNJ, LLY, EW, MDT, LXRX
(06:22 am) Mitch King:Other stocks watching:  V, JNJ, LLY, EW, MDT, LXRX
(06:31 am) Mitch King:watching DDD
(06:31 am) JoeyTSA :eye on FB
(06:32 am) Mitch King:watching AR for bottom,
(06:32 am) Mitch King:SONC more downside
(06:33 am) Mitch King:GDP trending up
(06:33 am) Mitch King:INVN on the move, more upside but should give a short
(06:34 am) Mitch King:consider reducing DDD if long
(06:34 am) Mitch King:CSIQ trending up,
(06:35 am) Mitch King:monitoring SCSS
(06:36 am) Mitch King:watching ATW for bottom
(06:36 am) Mitch King:watching  AR closer
(06:36 am) JoeyTSA :eye on WBMD
(06:37 am) Mitch King:HLF trending up
(06:37 am) Mitch King:STLD trending up
(06:37 am) Mitch King:EW should trend up
(06:37 am) Mitch King:EW making move higher
(06:38 am) Mitch King:CRK trending up, watching  for top though
(06:38 am) Mitch King:monitoring JBHT for 2nd short, missed first
(06:39 am) Mitch King:DDD prob tops out again then bottom again
(06:39 am) Mitch King:watching VEEV for microshort
(06:39 am) Mitch King:watching HPJ for bottom, low priced $5 stock
(06:40 am) Mitch King:AON trending up
(06:41 am) Mitch King:STLD strong uptrend
(06:42 am) Mitch King:CP trending up,
(06:43 am) Mitch King:FFIV trending up
(06:43 am) Mitch King:CP is a railway, they tend to trend up instead of giving sharp reversals
(06:44 am) Mitch King:still need to be real nimble with a stock like DDD
(06:44 am) Mitch King:new low on DDD, watching for stronger bounce on next bottom
(06:45 am) Mitch King:GDP double top
(06:48 am) Mitch King:SPY turnign down last 8 min, monitoring
(06:48 am) JoeyTSA :eye on TSLA
(06:50 am) Mitch King:APO bouncing
(06:50 am) Mitch King:watching HLF for bottom to buy, take time on this drop though
(06:51 am) Mitch King:hold GDP short longer if breaks below 22
(06:54 am) JoeyTSA :eye on GILD
(06:54 am) Mitch King:DDD accelerating drop, watching closer
(06:54 am) Mitch King:MORE DOWNSIDE WITH acor
(06:55 am) Mitch King:consider reducing or selling CRK
(06:59 am) Mitch King:SPY still downtrending
(07:00 am) Mitch King:watching MDT for 2nd short if stays below $58
(07:00 am) Mitch King:DDD bouncing
(07:00 am) Mitch King:lower low on HLF. should be more godo trades today on HLF both ways
(07:01 am) Mitch King:watchign SSYS for gradual reversal upward for long
(07:01 am) Mitch King:new low on SPY
(07:02 am) JoeyTSA :QIHU trying to bounce, see if it tests $87 again though
(07:27 am) Mitch King:GDP still making higher highs
(07:36 am) Mitch King:AHL trending down, new low
(07:43 am) Mitch King:New high on CRK, still uptrending
(07:44 am) Mitch King:DDD weak uptrend but still higher high
(07:47 am) Mitch King:approaching highs of day on SPY
(07:49 am) Mitch King:new high on ACOR today
(07:56 am) Mitch King:HMSY steady uptrend now after big drop
(09:27 am) Qwert :new low on AHL
(10:16 am) Mitch King:NQ getting interesting, thanks regatta
(10:41 am) Mitch’s Assist. :this was from  premarket
(10:41 am) Mitch’s Assist. :NQ Mobile results ‘dismal,’ Muddy Waters says Calling NQ Mobile’s Q4 results “disappointing” and dismal,” short selling research firm Muddy Waters wrote that the results indicate that the company’s auditor has stepped up its scrutiny of the Chinese company. As a result, NQ’s results were much worse than expected, wrote the firm. Meanwhile, the company reported negative operating cash flow and “inflated” revenue, Muddy Waters added
(10:43 am) Murano :watching ACAD
(11:09 am) JoeyTSA :eye on QIHU
(11:36 am) JoeyTSA :eye on AKBA,  currently halted
(11:58 am) Mitch King:could get a bounce on AKBA, higher risk trade
(12:04 pm) Mitch King:new low on SPY
(12:11 pm) Mitch King:on SPY
(12:11 pm) Mitch King:new lows keep getting hit
(12:14 pm) Mitch King:i;d start looking for popular larger cap stocks for a rebound that parllels index bounce, we should get  a bounce in indexes
(12:15 pm) Mitch King:you might consider TNA long, 3 to 1 leveraged long etf
(12:43 pm) Mitch King:i wouldnt expect too much more move up on TNA if you went long

(05:50 am) rd  :GM to all
(05:52 am) skydiver  :gm everyone
(05:53 am) JoeyTSA :Good morning Murano,Qwert,everyone…bus inv @ 7pdt
(05:55 am) skydiver  :AHL theflyonthewall.com:  Endurance Specialty proposes to acquire Aspen Insurance for $47.50 per share
(05:59 am) JoeyTSA :thx for the AHL news sky
(06:00 am) skydiver  :no problem joey
(06:01 am) skydiver  :thnx Mitch and joey for gappers
(06:07 am) Qwert :Good morning everyone
(06:09 am) skydiver  :gm qwert
(06:18 am) Mitch King:ive been reading the articles claiming the world champion poker been cheating according to casinos.  some sort of deffect in card edges as well as pattern on back of card
(06:18 am) JoeyTSA :yeah, in the news for awhile
(06:18 am) Mitch King:they’re talking cumulatively almost $20 mil winnings this way
(06:18 am) JoeyTSA :phil ivey
(06:18 am) Mitch King:right
(06:19 am) JoeyTSA :not cheating to me, just casino let a mistake happen
(06:19 am) Mitch King:they want their money back, going to be hard to get it back
(06:20 am) freitag8  :Mornin Traders!
(06:20 am) devo  :GM all, lets make it a great day
(06:21 am) freitag8  :I agree Devo… Your First call of the day is Spot On!
(06:21 am) devo  :whats happening Fre, you get the IB intraday charts figured?
(06:21 am) devo  :haha, thx.  I researched that one all night
(06:36 am) freitag8  :Ya… IB says that I am part of a Master Account with several other Prop Traders… to get up to date charts I have to pay the Professional Fees for Data Feed.. they told me I should be happy I get some charts for free!
(06:38 am) freitag8  :EW got good Patent news, you can watch MDT for a counter move to EW
(06:42 am) freitag8  :KNDI: Kandi Technologies Shares Rise 6% Premarket as Company Announces Plan to Launch the Public EV Sharing System Pilot Project in Shanghai
(06:43 am) freitag8  :Good Call DDD Mitch
(06:50 am) regatta  :watching HMSY
(06:51 am) freitag8  :Top of Radar… Unusual Volume + high ATR: EW, AR, GDP, WBMD, JBHT
(06:57 am) JoeyTSA :was reading something on the internet, forgot who it was, but said when the market crashes that it will be at least 30% move
(07:07 am) Qwert :GDP new hod
(07:08 am) JoeyTSA :/ES bounce right off pp
(07:09 am) JoeyTSA :was looking like it wanted lower and then turned up
(07:17 am) JoeyTSA :have to leave for now, back later..good luck, thanks for the calls
(07:18 am) skydiver  :take care and have a fantastic day joey
(07:18 am) freitag8  :take it easy Joey
(07:20 am) devo  :Later Joey, have a good day
(07:26 am) Mitch King:thats about it for the DDD bounce,
(07:30 am) Mitch King:there are a lot of small energy companies moving up today, GDP, HK,
(07:33 am) Mitch King:CRK is another small energy company moving up
(07:45 am) regatta  :SPY near hod
(07:46 am) skydiver  :TSLA – fianlly bounced nicely with bounce of SPY – 3/4 out long
(07:48 am) skydiver  :all out of TSLA long
(07:54 am) Mitch King:nice one sky
(07:54 am) Mitch King:you have to go to work now?  still in uptrend, more upside potential on TSLA
(07:57 am) skydiver  :unfortunately -my time is up Mitch . . might jump on again when I get into office – thnx however 🙂
(07:57 am) Mitch King:ok take care sky
(07:57 am) skydiver  ::)
(07:57 am) skydiver  :I’m gone
(08:02 am) freitag8  :ahl still trending but big spreads
(08:02 am) freitag8  :take care Sky
(08:05 am) Murano :thanks for HMSY regatta
(08:06 am) Mitch King:I would think FEYE would have quite a bit of potential bounce on a swing trade.  dropped over 50% in last 5 weeks
(08:23 am) freitag8  :ACOR has had trouble at $37 the last several days… watching for a pull back to $36.50 before the next test of $37
(08:32 am) freitag8  :Monitoring this $48 level on DDD closely
(08:34 am) devo  :INVN again
(08:35 am) regatta  :watching APAM
(08:37 am) Murano :monitoring OCN
(08:43 am) regatta  :SPY near hod again
(08:45 am) devo  :/ES hitting this area for 3rd time, hoping on a break here
(08:49 am) regatta  :just watching HIMX
(08:55 am) regatta  :watching EPAM
(09:05 am) Mitch King:this 2nd bottom EPAM  should be better place to buy regatta
(09:07 am) regatta  :tks mitch, no position yet
(09:17 am) Mitch King:hey reg, did you ever hear me explain that money trade in futures,?
(09:17 am) Mitch King:about 2 months ago
(09:18 am) Mitch King:thats what EPAM just went through, it had an initial spike off bottom then pullback that didnt have a new low and then the next rebound is usually a higher high
(09:34 am) regatta  :mitch, i don’t recall the money trade discussion but i will remember this pattern
(09:35 am) regatta  :i took EPAM late at 31.55
(09:35 am) Mitch King:thats good entry
(09:35 am) regatta  :then moved my stop up b/c had to step away from computer and stop hit at 31.71
(09:36 am) Mitch King:way too tight of stop.  you need to give more room to a trade when you first open it, then tighten it after it either gets going on track in desired direction
(09:37 am) Mitch King:or if it shows signs of  not working
(09:38 am) Mitch King:i assume your trade entry in EPAM was at 909am pacific time at $31.55 and it went up from there, no sell signal yet on it
(09:38 am) regatta  :yes on entry
(09:39 am) Mitch King:you stop around 914am
(09:39 am) regatta  :yes
(09:39 am) Mitch King:>
(09:39 am) Mitch King:?
(09:39 am) regatta  :that’s when i was away from computer
(09:39 am) Mitch King:yeah thats too tight of stop, you got to give it room to breath
(09:39 am) regatta  :trailing stop might have been better
(09:40 am) Mitch King:yeah a hard stop at beginning should be well below the entry price
(09:40 am) regatta  :original stop was set at 31.21 then moved up
(09:40 am) Mitch King:i think around that $31.20 area is hard stop
(09:41 am) Mitch King:no, leave hard stop in place adn create a trailing stop that cancels the hard stop if filled
(09:41 am) Mitch King:the purpose of the hard stop is to keep you from getting badly hurt,
(09:41 am) Mitch King:and once you got profits, the trailing stop protects some of the profits and the hard stop wont ever get hit
(09:41 am) devo  :i always put my stops too close when i walk away
(09:42 am) Mitch King:too tight of stops = frequent losses that most are guaranteed to trigger
(09:43 am) devo  :you got it!  so now i just sleep here and never walk away…
(09:43 am) Qwert :hahahah
(09:43 am) devo  :ok, not really but i feel that pain aswell on the stops.  still learning
(09:43 am) Mitch King:no devo, try to study what i wrote above
(09:45 am) regatta  :tks for the hard stop/trailing stop advice mitch
(09:46 am) devo  :i meant the never walking away.  i am reading it and think its good.  Do you use a % or certain amount for any stock for a hard stop?  or more based on chart support/rest levels?
(09:47 am) Mitch King:yeah reg, that will work 75-80% of the time and make more profits on teh winners than the 20-25% losers lose
(09:47 am) Mitch King:does that make sense?
(09:47 am) regatta  :yes
(09:49 am) devo  :yes, thx Mitch
(09:49 am) Mitch King:during the process of learning what i just explained people get frustrated and discouraged.  and then their emotions take over trading.  they don’t trust themselves or any technique.  its real hard to trade that way when your thoughts are fighting you
(09:51 am) Mitch King:i see that happen with professional golfers. they lose confidence in their swing or some aspect of their game after having had previous success.  you just got to ramp up your committment level and time studying and perfecting a technique.  requires many many hours of objective analysis and study
(09:52 am) Mitch King:i think what helped Tiger Woods is early in his career he has been able to analyze what he is doing right and wrong, then make adjustments.  Unfortunately, he has not transferred that over to his personal life
(09:53 am) Mitch King:this new 20 year old kid Jordan Speith is looking like the new Tiger Woods
(09:54 am) freitag8  :DDD could be a good swing trade for lower levels over the next few days… I’m looking at a Put Vertical if it tests $48 again today
(09:54 am) devo  :he looked great this weekend and looks like the future of golf.  emotions def took over for him, he will learn
(09:54 am) Mitch King:right, he got six 2nd places last year i think, didn’t he?
(09:55 am) Mitch King:i think golf has a lot of analogies to trading.
(09:56 am) regatta  :except in trading you don’t have to wear funky colors
(09:56 am) Qwert :lol
(09:57 am) Qwert :or pants
(09:57 am) devo  :yeah and had a win as well.  ill wear those plaid pants if it helps me
(10:08 am) regatta  :just watching NQ
(10:10 am) Mitch King:NQ is that Chinese stock Muddy Waters slammed last year
(10:10 am) Mitch King:it went down from $23 to 8.50 in late October
(10:26 am) Qwert :got an email from muddy about nq over the weekend
(10:40 am) Mitch King:did you leave your email addres on their list qwert?
(10:45 am) JoeyTSA :what i read about NQ was that earnings were down because of the irregularity
(10:45 am) JoeyTSA :getting hammered over it
(10:50 am) Qwert :sorry mitch just walked back in, honestly i dont remember but i get an email from them everyonce in awhile, its just a headline i dont get to see an actual report
(10:50 am) Mitch King:yeah their new auditors were more strict
(10:51 am) Mitch King:and he says caused higher losses to be reported than expected
(10:54 am) JoeyTSA :longterm i think NQ might be a decent position
(10:54 am) JoeyTSA :right now its a mess, but giving a great entry price if you expect a turnaround
(10:55 am) JoeyTSA :i believe mobile security is their niche
(10:56 am) JoeyTSA :pullback to $8 would be great, lots of older support there
(10:57 am) devo  :think i would be a buyer at that $8 level
(10:58 am) JoeyTSA :and again, i mean as a longer term hold, not day trade
(10:58 am) skydiver  :jumping on for a bit — monitoring TSLA’s drop
(10:58 am) Mitch King:hey sky, we are watching NQ drop
(10:58 am) skydiver  :I see that — have it up on a screen now
(10:59 am) Mitch King:it is not acting like a bottom is soon though,
(10:59 am) Mitch King:its controlled selling, not a panic sell
(10:59 am) skydiver  :gotcha Mitch
(10:59 am) skydiver  :thnx
(11:01 am) Mitch King:at same time it just had 20% drop  in last hour
(11:01 am) Mitch King:my personal rule is not to trade a stock long when someone is calling them fraud
(11:01 am) skydiver  :sounds like wisdom to me Mitch 🙂
(11:02 am) Mitch King:technicals get overridden with other forces
(11:02 am) JoeyTSA :poor MS, they took a 5% stake in them recently
(11:02 am) Mitch King:ok, well thats another force, large company holding shares may want to unlload.
(11:02 am) JoeyTSA :agreed Mitch,my comments were for a bottom once this blows over
(11:03 am) JoeyTSA :they are also trying to get into the game industry
(11:03 am) JoeyTSA :largest game make for the china iphone
(11:04 am) JoeyTSA :a few good things can all be destroyed when accounting irregularity hits
(11:07 am) Mitch King:you got that right joey
(11:07 am) JoeyTSA :but IF the biz is solid, it should rebounce
(11:07 am) JoeyTSA :rebound
(11:07 am) JoeyTSA :i believe revenue was up 109% last Q
(11:07 am) devo  :TWTR looking good here
(11:08 am) Murano :keep a tight stop on ACAD  I thought it would get close to 15 but???
(11:08 am) Murano :18 not 15
(11:09 am) JoeyTSA :ACAD hammered past 6 weeks also
(11:09 am) JoeyTSA :they were trying to push oer $30 back then
(11:12 am) Murano :out 3/4 ACAD
(11:12 am) skydiver  :whew – got out of TSLA just before it dropped again —
(11:13 am) Murano :stop last 1/4 17.55
(11:13 am) Qwert :gonna go walk the dogs back in a bit
(11:13 am) skydiver  :trading between phone calls is challenging
(11:13 am) skydiver  :see ya qwert – enjoy the walk
(11:13 am) JoeyTSA :bye qwert
(11:31 am) skydiver  :Market been slowly heading down for awhile
(11:31 am) Murano :stopped last 1/4 ACAD
(11:36 am) JoeyTSA :never heard of AKBA, hit my ticker
(11:41 am) Mitch King:me neither, volume extremely low before this spike
(11:43 am) Mitch King:by the way guys, moves like AKBA, you dont short those, only stay with the trade direction its going, i am ultra careful before shorting these
(11:43 am) Mitch King:basically, im saying it is not worth the risk for the reward, let alone the stress
(11:45 am) Mitch King:this much pullback should be your sell signal on AKBA,
(11:45 am) Mitch King:ok on this rebound here, this is best place to sell
(11:45 am) Mitch King:on this candle here, 1145am
(11:46 am) Mitch King:you are basically playing hte odds that its peaked out and don’t let it bother you if it goes up more
(11:46 am) Mitch King:i’d lay odds on it that you got most of the long profit already
(11:47 am) Mitch King:if you do short something like this, make your position size much smaller than the long side
(11:49 am) Mitch King:reason why we havent heard of this is it is pretty new stock and the quiet period is now up today so analysts assigned their ratings to it today, big names like Morgan, UBS, Credit Swiss, Nomura Seucirties, etc
(11:51 am) JoeyTSA :thx Mitch
(11:57 am) JoeyTSA :very nice rebound on NQ
(12:04 pm) regatta  :watching TSL
(12:07 pm) JoeyTSA :Thanks Mitch,Murano,Qwert, everyone..have great day, see you tomorrow
(12:08 pm) Mitch King:take care horseman
(12:08 pm) Murano :see you Joey
(12:11 pm) devo  :see ya Joey
(12:17 pm) Mitch King:AKBA quite bullish when it levels in a down market
(12:39 pm) devo  :have a great day guys, calling it for today.  see ya tomorrow
(01:01 pm) skydiver  :Okay — done — see you all tomorrow — had to work hard to be in the green today, but green it is 🙂
(01:02 pm) skydiver  :I’m gone 🙂
(01:05 pm) Mitch King:see you guys tomorrow

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