Chat Highlights From 03/01/2013

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[06:25 am] Ed : CRM and OVTI and any others that hit scanner
[06:25 am] Ed : will be watching these stocks today  HLF,RRC, FIRE, DECK, AWAY, MNST, BBRY
[06:27 am] Ed : US) Governor of Michigan expected to declare a state of fiscal emergency for Detroit (would be largest municipal bankruptcy in US history)- finanical press (related MUI MUNIS -
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching BDBD for bottom, take time
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching MENT for bottom
[06:30 am] Mitch K: watching MDLZ for bottom
[06:30 am] Mitch K: looking at this IOC pop
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching SPLK for bottom
[06:31 am] Ed : monitor MNST loss of 49.5 with strong vol for potential short
[06:31 am] Mitch K: watching CTXS for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: YOKU moving up
[06:32 am] Ed : SPY drop
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching TDC for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching VRX for bottom
[06:32 am] Mitch K: watching SBGI for top
[06:33 am] Mitch K: watching PNR for bottom
[06:33 am] Mitch K: /NG moving well last 2 hours
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching FLR for bottom
[06:34 am] Mitch K: watching JEC for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching KBR for bottom
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching homebuilders:  DHI, PHM, TOL, LEN, KBH,
[06:35 am] Mitch K: watching SLXP for bottom
[06:36 am] Mitch K: watching MTZ for bottom
[06:36 am] Mitch K: monitoring IBM drop
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching ILMN for top
[06:37 am] Ed : SPY new lod
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching BCEI for short on top of bounce
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching ATW for bottom
[06:37 am] Mitch K: watching TFM for bottom
[06:38 am] Mitch K: MENT long still strong
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching TRN for bottom
[06:38 am] Mitch K: watching PRLB for bottom
[06:39 am] Mitch K: that means looks like bottoming "bouncy"
[06:39 am] Mitch K: FLR bouncy
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching PRLB closer
[06:39 am] Mitch K: watching MDVN for bottom
[06:40 am] Ed : start monitoring CRM for potential long bounce time with bounce in SPY
[06:41 am] Mitch K: watching INVN for bottom
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watching MCP for bottom, need more vol and bigger drop,
[06:42 am] Mitch K: watching AAPL for bottom
[06:43 am] Mitch K: MENT possible short
[06:43 am] Mitch K: taking time before selling TFM long
[06:43 am] Ed : trailing last 1/4 of CRM long
[06:43 am] Ed : reduciong 3/4 CRM long
[06:45 am] Mitch K: /NG top, natural gas
[06:45 am] Mitch K: KSU bouncing, usually strong steady mover
[06:45 am] Ed : stopped last 1/4 CRM 175.13
[06:46 am] Mitch K: SHW bouncing, late to see
[06:47 am] Ed : AWAY trading in range right now
[06:47 am] Mitch K: more upside on MGA
[06:47 am] Mitch K: few more minutes upside of MTZ
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching VRX for exit point on long, also monitoring for short later
[06:48 am] Mitch K: watching EOG for bottom
[06:48 am] Ed : will monitor for breakout of this range eith way
[06:48 am] Ed : for conversative play 28.4 with strong vol for potential short AWAY
[06:49 am] Ed : for long if SPY can get momentum will use 29.30 strong vol for long AWAY
[06:49 am] Mitch K: monitoring BWLD for top, no hurry
[06:51 am] Ed : for the play on AWAY would use smaller than normal shares on potential breakout
[06:52 am] Ed : SINA is another weak one did not particpate in bounce
[06:52 am] Ed : keep eye on MNST still weak
[06:53 am] Ed : HLF is stong against market
[06:53 am] Ed : weak AAPL, HAIN, SINA, MNST among others
[06:54 am] Mitch K: VRX too strong to short
[06:54 am] Ed : on HLF will use 40.70 with strong vol for potential breakout
[06:54 am] Mitch K: more upside on MDVN long
[06:55 am] Ed : on these breakouts be sure to use much much samller than ur normal size to trade
[06:58 am] Mitch K: can i take back last comment about VRX?
[07:00 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[07:00 am] Ed : *(US) FEB ISM MANUFACTURING: 54.2 V 52.5E; PRICES PAID: ## V 57.0E
[07:01 am] Ed : *(US) FEB FINAL UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN CONFIDENCE: 77.6 V 76.3E (highest since Nov 2012)
[07:05 am] Ed : since DAL is so strong would see how reacts here would not take 1st signal but look for 2nd test and failure for short play
[07:07 am] Ed : so you should not be in long
[07:07 am] Ed : no vol on HLF yet
[07:10 am] Ed : on CRM 178 was key area afterhours
[07:10 am] Ed : on CRM that was key area after hours
[07:11 am] Mitch K: microshort on STJ
[07:11 am] Mitch K: MTZ long exit soon
[07:11 am] Mitch K: CTXS long exit soon
[07:12 am] Ed : aggressive traders can take first sign, but when its strong its ok to sitback and way for test or 2nd attemp DAL
[07:12 am] Mitch K: yeah DAL toppy Ed
[07:13 am] Ed : way=wait
[07:14 am] Mitch K: TRLA toppy for short entry
[07:17 am] Ed : placing stop on other 1/2 at breakeven 40.70
[07:17 am] Mitch K: SPY toppy
[07:17 am] Ed : on HLF Im reducing 1/2
[07:21 am] Ed : I will trail last 1/2 of HLF long
[07:22 am] Ed : SPY pulling back
[07:25 am] Ed : due to sporadic market Im going to trail HLF kind of tight, right behing 10 sma
[07:26 am] Ed : out all HLF
[07:39 am] Mitch K: watching EVEP for bottom
[07:42 am] Ed : on CRM if u took long over 178 would reduce some here
[07:43 am] Mitch K: the buy on the dip pattern is strong.  Fed Reserve probably doing most of the buying, lol
[07:44 am] Mitch K: good eye qwert on MDR
[07:53 am] Ed : MELI is starting to move
[07:55 am] Ed : on MELI monitor the 87 area 87.50 see how reacts for potential short
[08:06 am] Mitch K: monitoring TWC
[08:19 am] Ed : US) House Speaker Boehner (R-OH): Reiterates need to take on the spending problem in Washington; hopeful will not have to deal with Govt shutdown while still dealing with sequester
[08:19 am] Ed : SPY puling back
[08:34 am] Ed : Prez Obam will be speaking shortly
[08:38 am] Ed : CLH monitoring
[08:39 am] Ed : CLH trading at key level be flexible and ready for either direction with proper setup
[08:44 am] Ed : if u were able to take CLH short would cover some here
[08:50 am] Ed : if u till have piece of CLH short would trail and start to titghen more '
[08:51 am] Mitch K: id guess 49.65 area on CLH bounce, good eye Eddy
[09:02 am] Ed : monitor LYB
[09:03 am] Ed : on LYB see how stock reacts as it gets closer to 60ish area
[09:05 am] Ed : it does have potential resistance @ 59.50 area but like it more @ near 60
[09:12 am] Ed : covering 3/4 of LYB short
[09:19 am] Ed : SPY nearing hod
[09:23 am] Ed : SPY new hod
[09:39 am] Ed : FB Schedules a media even for March 7th to unveil a new look for Facebook.com's newsfeed - financial press
[09:40 am] Ed : if anyone is still long CRM would monitor the 185 area, had issues with that area afterhours yesterday
[07:19 am] Ed : 2nd push had more vol,1st attempt was 10:06, 2nd attempt was 10:13, this is response to doji question on HLF
[10:47 am] Ed : this is time of day wherein best to sit on hands on study ur trades
[11:37 am] Ed : BIIB
[11:38 am] Ed : see if can get move near hod see how reacts
[11:38 am] Ed : tad late on post on BIIB
[11:41 am] Ed : BIIB Reportedly Bristol-Myers has considered large acquisitions, including looking at Biogen and Shire - press -
[11:47 am] Ed : if u took BIIB short would cover some here
[12:38 pm] Mitch K: you guys want to see something cool?
[12:40 pm] Mitch K: you guys are kind of sick
[12:42 pm] Mitch K: ok what i am going to show you is the difference between our modified candles vs. the 1 min chart on the right side.
[12:43 pm] Mitch K: this is also true on futures forex but im going to show you CLH, from earlier. It was the bottom after the big drop
[12:43 pm] Mitch K: i have global crosshairs showing so i will put crosshair on the 1 min chart buy signal on the right chart and then you look how much earlier and better price you got signal on our Lightning Bars.
[12:45 pm] Mitch K: now checkout the price on the right chart
[12:45 pm] Mitch K: you guys understand what is happening?
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: 24 cents and 3 min 7 seconds earlier
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: 49.69
[12:46 pm] Mitch K: 49.93 vs.
[12:47 pm] Mitch K: i have the crosshairs on the left chart at the moment on the buy signal using our hybrid candles
[12:47 pm] Mitch K: do you guys like or do you like?
[12:48 pm] Mitch K: just in case you dont understand what this means, i can give you an overview
[12:48 pm] Mitch K: now you guys can figure out why i disappear for hours after the initial stock market opening.  i work on this program
[12:49 pm] Mitch K: now you may say, so what is 23 cents to me?  sure, in one single trade, not big money but multiply that out by hundreds and hundres of times
[12:49 pm] Mitch K: but in futures or forex, there are many more trades in the same instruments right?
[12:49 pm] Mitch K: think about all the trades you do, how many, over weeks and weeks in stocks
[12:50 pm] Mitch K: let alone the time difference
[12:51 pm] Mitch K: it is cleaner and check this out, the signal that version 1 was being generated by higher volume surge and that meant we had to compete more with the other buyers or sellers, know what i mean?
[12:52 pm] Mitch K: the futures and forex markets, every one of the instruments, this becomes much more pronounced of profits.  if you took every trade, which i dont recommend, but if you did, you end up with much higher profits, by a huge margin
[12:53 pm] Mitch K: yes elisha, it tends to give you signals when it is a "quieter" market, meaning, not that rush of buying and we get a buy signal on the version 1 and our orders are "floating" to the top of the candle.  is this making any sense?  i think joey understands first in first out concept
[12:55 pm] Mitch K: now don't freak out when you see the price for new users doubles.  that does not affect you
[12:55 pm] Mitch K: and i will have a private webinar for existing users, FREE of course for you.
[12:55 pm] Mitch K: we are trying to get this out to you next week
[12:56 pm] Mitch K: i have to take projector down for a minute
[12:56 pm] Mitch K: just a minute and i will try to get some futures charts comparisons for you, one moment
[12:57 pm] Ed : have a great weekend traders
[01:01 pm] Mitch K: 1 bar earlier usually
[01:01 pm] Mitch K: ok the chart setting on Lightning bars on the left side, is set to a very sensitive setting and gives a little too many signals but you can change settings to what you want
[01:02 pm] Mitch K: this isnt a great example but ive seen most other signals are better and earlier
[01:03 pm] Mitch K: you guys all have a great weekend
[01:03 pm] Mitch K: but usually it is.
[01:03 pm] Mitch K: ok so this is one of the few examples where it wasnt better

[06:04 am] joeytsa  : thx qwert, thats what it looked like
[06:05 am] joeytsa  : wasnt sure if i would make it in today, but still woke up at normal time haha
[06:06 am] qwert  : how was your show
[06:06 am] joeytsa  : it was good..ton of talent on stage
[06:06 am] joeytsa  : if you like that music era i would recommend seeing it
[06:07 am] qwert  : whats the era
[06:07 am] joeytsa  : show was Million Dollar Quartet
[06:07 am] joeytsa  : takes  place one night  Dec/1956
[06:07 am] qwert  : sounds cool
[06:08 am] joeytsa  : when johnny cash,carl perkins,elvis and jerry lee lewis all ended up at Sun records for a jam session
[06:08 am] joeytsa  : got comp tix, i have 2 friends in the show..the drummer and the girl who plays elvis' gf
[06:08 am] taco  : gm all thx joey, BBY also up
[06:09 am] taco  : gm Diosna
[06:10 am] qwert  : comp tix are the best  :))
[06:10 am] taco  : icahn sold his own stock when it went to85 now second offering at 63
[06:10 am] taco  : IEP
[06:10 am] joeytsa  : smart guy haha
[06:10 am] taco  : ya
[06:11 am] Ed : good morning
[06:12 am] joeytsa  : metal futures a little manic,  crude trending down
[06:12 am] joeytsa  : Good morning Ed
[06:12 am] taco  : hope we didn't disturb your rest Eddy money;)
[06:12 am] Ed : not at all
[06:16 am] lisas  : gm all
[06:17 am] Ed : Diosna is not here on fridays so if u notice little changes in chart today thats why
[06:17 am] joeytsa  : nice 3 day weekend :)
[06:18 am] Ed : And since I do not have lightning on my system its far reach for me to get to her computer, but will change when can
[06:18 am] taco  : np
[06:19 am] joeytsa  : gotya
[06:20 am] joeytsa  : did you get that hard drive issue fixed?
[06:20 am] taco  : OVTI weakening
[06:20 am] Ed : yes had it fixed same day
[06:20 am] Ed : thx for asking
[06:20 am] joeytsa  : gotya
[06:21 am] Ed : but took me 3 days to get eveything back like i wanted it
[06:21 am] joeytsa  : had to rebuild everything..fun fun
[06:21 am] Ed : yep
[06:22 am] Ed : all the way down to sizing of candles and resolution on 6 monitors
[06:22 am] joeytsa  : wow
[06:22 am] taco  : ugh
[06:22 am] Ed : may seem easy but when u set resolution sometimes like u want on 3 monitors it changes for other 3
[06:22 am] Ed : so that was fun
[06:22 am] joeytsa  : lots of work
[06:23 am] Ed : yep
[06:27 am] joeytsa  : Detroit is a craphole sadly
[06:27 am] Ed : yep has been for years
[06:27 am] taco  : joey is peot part time
[06:28 am] joeytsa  : bankrupt
[06:28 am] doji  : Good day
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : doji !!!
[06:29 am] doji  : Watching UVXY if market turns nasty
[06:29 am] Ed : also VXX is good one
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : i hate UVXY for some reason...manipulated it seems
[06:29 am] doji  : Also BDBD from yesterday
[06:29 am] Ed : thats why I like VXX
[06:29 am] doji  : For day trade Joey?
[06:29 am] joeytsa  : yeah, or just play the /ES
[06:30 am] joeytsa  : might be ok,  just not for me
[06:30 am] elisha  : Good Morning all
[06:30 am] joeytsa  : watching CRM
[06:31 am] joeytsa  : ISRG should have some moves
[06:33 am] doji  : GOOG
[06:33 am] doji  : JCP
[06:33 am] joeytsa  : markets a bit tentative early?
[06:34 am] joeytsa  : DECK pushing
[06:36 am] joeytsa  : AAPL lod
[06:36 am] joeytsa  : there was news on IBM yesterday maybe?
[06:36 am] joeytsa  : maybe insider selling, cant remember
[06:36 am] doji  : Dang, having delays in TOS... as usual
[06:37 am] doji  : BDBD...
[06:39 am] doji  : FSLR
[06:39 am] taco  : mised MENT but so nice
[06:39 am] doji  : UVXY moving up nicely
[06:40 am] doji  : AAPL selling off
[06:40 am] doji  : made new 52-week low
[06:40 am] joeytsa  : /ES might lose 1500 here
[06:41 am] joeytsa  : nice on /NG Mitch
[06:42 am] joeytsa  : /YM getting whacked
[06:42 am] doji  : FB holding at pivot
[06:44 am] taco  : DECK new hod
[06:44 am] joeytsa  : DECK, nice pattern taco :)
[06:45 am] joeytsa  : missed nice V pattern on FLR
[06:45 am] taco  : yuppers
[06:45 am] doji  : FSLR 2nd leg short here
[06:45 am] doji  : 25.15
[06:46 am] joeytsa  : also watching MNST
[06:46 am] Ed : +4 CRM nice start to the day
[06:46 am] elisha  : nice Ed
[06:46 am] joeytsa  : real nice Ed
[06:46 am] gregs  : nice :)
[06:47 am] taco  : nice Eddy
[06:47 am] taco  : ed's takin us for sushi
[06:49 am] joeytsa  : nice Mitch on VRX
[06:49 am] joeytsa  : 5 minutes until UofM #'s
[06:50 am] joeytsa  : looks like Bernanke to speak again at 7pdt
[06:50 am] Ed : nice one doji on BDBd
[06:51 am] doji  : DECK double top
[06:51 am] Ed : I being tad skeptical on breakouts in this market
[06:52 am] joeytsa  : agreed Ed
[06:52 am] joeytsa  : /PL dbl bot here
[06:53 am] joeytsa  : 4pt bounce in /ES
[06:55 am] Ed : so if u trade 500 shares would only use 200 ex.
[06:55 am] joeytsa  : better UofM #
[06:55 am] doji  : NFLX @ 190
[06:56 am] elisha  : thanks for range info Ed
[06:56 am] joeytsa  : great advice Ed
[06:57 am] doji  : Anyone in BDBD?
[06:57 am] aussie123  : ELLI
[06:57 am] joeytsa  : im not doji, nice move
[06:57 am] Ed : yes thx Mr. doji man
[06:57 am] Ed : anything for elisha
[06:58 am] joeytsa  : has plenty of room to run more
[06:58 am] doji  : YEs, I had my order above the ask price but was not filled by TDA... calling them now...
[06:58 am] doji  : Too late Mitch
[06:58 am] cowboyh  : NVGN short swing is over
[06:58 am] joeytsa  : Mitch gets a mulligan
[06:59 am] Mitch K: you get that NVGN covered cowboy?  bullshort supreme
[06:59 am] cowboyh  : yes sir was a good one
[06:59 am] murano  : DAL
[06:59 am] Mitch K: good job, only about 3 of those a year that good
[07:00 am] Ed : thx murano
[07:00 am] joeytsa  : nice ISM #
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : /YM contracts just went ballistic haha
[07:01 am] Ed : all i can say they know how to make numbers count
[07:01 am] joeytsa  : thats a good way to put it :)
[07:02 am] doji  : Ok so market can rally now Ed
[07:03 am] joeytsa  : watching CAT here and also 1571 on /PL
[07:03 am] doji  : BDBD
[07:05 am] doji  : BDBD long at 9... let's see how it goes...
[07:06 am] gregs  : is this first sign of weakness in DAL ed, lower top on tick charts
[07:08 am] Ed : no sign yet still playing with highs
[07:08 am] doji  : Out BDBD at b/e... dang
[07:09 am] gregs  : ok ty
[07:09 am] Ed : no problem
[07:10 am] doji  : Watching DAL
[07:10 am] gregs  : FLR nice short
[07:10 am] gregs  : well to me anyway
[07:11 am] cowboyh  : space x just launched another rocket
[07:11 am] Ed : this is first sign of weakness on DAL
[07:12 am] joeytsa  : greg: what tick chart are you using?
[07:12 am] Ed : aggressive traders can take first sign, but when its strong its ok to sitback and way for test or 2nd attempt
[07:12 am] Ed : speaking of DAL
[07:12 am] gregs  : joey, right now 200 tick chart
[07:13 am] doji  : HLF
[07:13 am] gregs  : if i get a pullback to lower high i'd consider entering DAL
[07:15 am] doji  : Lowe High Gregs
[07:15 am] doji  : Not in DAL
[07:16 am] gregs  : which timeframe are you looking at doji
[07:17 am] gregs  : think we just had one 15.02, didn't like the pullback though not clear enough for me
[07:17 am] gregs  : 200 tick chart
[07:17 am] doji  : I though you were not in HLF Ed
[07:18 am] Ed : not first attempt, had no vol
[07:18 am] doji  : 1min Gregs
[07:18 am] Ed : 2nd push had more vol
[07:18 am] Ed : 1st attempt was 10:06, 2nd attempt was 10:13
[07:19 am] Ed : make sense doji man
[07:20 am] doji  : so you entered at 10:14 when the higher volume was confirmed?
[07:20 am] Ed : 10:13
[07:20 am] Ed : yes
[07:21 am] gregs  : at close of 10:13 bar ed?  or duing the break
[07:21 am] Ed : once i got break
[07:21 am] Ed : so on same bar
[07:21 am] gregs  : thanks, nice trade
[07:21 am] Ed : greag questions though
[07:22 am] joeytsa  : DECK might try for higher here..just watching
[07:22 am] doji  : But athe breakout at 10:13 volume was still raising... how did you know it would be a higher volume?
[07:22 am] joeytsa  : thx greg, was just wondering..never used tick charts for stocks
[07:23 am] Ed : in real time, looking at time and sales u see buyers and on vol u seeing it pick up
[07:23 am] joeytsa  : lower priced, but watching PCYC here
[07:23 am] doji  : Ok you got your point
[07:24 am] Ed : with breakouts u dont have to wait for candle to close unless ur looking for close of a bar over an area of resistance
[07:24 am] gregs  : joey, i just find them useful to catch price action you'd miss on minute charts... easier than staring at t&s
[07:24 am] joeytsa  : i can see your point
[07:26 am] doji  : I'll back test the 200 ticks chart Gregs
[07:27 am] taco  : nice play
[07:27 am] taco  : ed
[07:27 am] Ed : thx
[07:27 am] joeytsa  : i just dont have time to switch timeframes back and forth haha
[07:27 am] gregs  : doji, be interested to know what you find
[07:28 am] gregs  : each stock is different on each day though, depending on volume... that's the annoying part
[07:28 am] gregs  : so i just use to guide my entry once i've decided i like the play
[07:28 am] joeytsa  : yeah, thats why i just stick with 1min..good or bad
[07:29 am] Ed : yea gregs as longs as its working for you keep at it, I know some traders get confused with it , as the smaller the time frame natirally the more signals
[07:30 am] gregs  : good point ed
[07:30 am] joeytsa  : right Ed
[07:30 am] joeytsa  : and switching back and forth too much will send you to a padded room one day hahah
[07:30 am] Ed : i trade out of a padded room
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : :)
[07:31 am] taco  : i was gonna say:)
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : great /ES bounce
[07:31 am] gregs  : haha as long as someone slides pizza under the door i'll be fine
[07:31 am] joeytsa  : right off of S1  $$$
[07:32 am] gregs  : nice joey you catch that /ES move
[07:32 am] joeytsa  : only some
[07:33 am] joeytsa  : didnt drag my profit target fast enough
[07:33 am] gregs  : lol trades i'd like to be in...
[07:33 am] joeytsa  : didnt expect it to jump that quick
[07:34 am] joeytsa  : so was only looking for a smaller hit
[07:34 am] qwert  : CRM is still moving
[07:35 am] Ed : yep one got over 178 area
[07:35 am] joeytsa  : CRM great call today
[07:36 am] Ed : imm trading like joey, breakouts and pullbacks
[07:36 am] joeytsa  : no, im trading like Ed  :)
[07:36 am] Ed : :)
[07:38 am] qwert  : watching EVEP
[07:38 am] joeytsa  : watching $91 in /CL
[07:40 am] doji  : See ya later fellas... couldn't catch anything today.... at least no losses
[07:40 am] Ed : c ya doji
[07:40 am] joeytsa  : bye doji
[07:40 am] gregs  : bye doji
[07:41 am] joeytsa  : break time, see you in 20
[07:42 am] Ed : c ya joey
[07:44 am] qwert  : MDR
[07:44 am] lisas  : with paper money
[07:44 am] Ed : ur right Mitch
[07:44 am] Ed : hey lisa lisa
[07:44 am] lisas  : Hey EdEdEdEdEdEdEdEd
[07:45 am] Ed : nice of u to join us
[07:46 am] Ed : or should i say Im glad to join you??
[07:50 am] lisas  : I've been here, you've just been ignoring me: [06:16 am] lisas  : gm all
[07:50 am] lisas  : but that's ok, be that way
[07:51 am] Ed : mum is the word
[08:02 am] go4it  : aapl
[08:04 am] gregs  : hmmm MNST looking weak thinking short below 50
[08:04 am] Ed : I would pass gregs
[08:04 am] Ed : its like 50/50 trade in here
[08:05 am] gregs  : ok... because its near lunch or something you see on the chart?
[08:06 am] Ed : kind of like in middle of no mans land
[08:09 am] joeytsa  : /ES all over the place today
[08:14 am] doji  : What do you mean Joey?
[08:14 am] joeytsa  : almost 20pt range
[08:22 am] joeytsa  : IOC lod
[08:31 am] shark  : CMG hitting res at 200day (318.59)
[08:38 am] go4it  : test
[08:38 am] joeytsa  : watching /CL here
[08:38 am] joeytsa  : i see you bruce
[08:38 am] Ed : hey bruce
[08:38 am] go4it  : thks Joey
[08:38 am] joeytsa  : how ya been..hopefully well
[08:38 am] go4it  : trying to ask
[08:38 am] go4it  : question
[08:39 am] joeytsa  : here is 0bama
[08:39 am] Ed : hey bruce shoot away
[08:39 am] go4it  : the S&P reflects money flow into and out of market?
[08:40 am] joeytsa  : hmmm, good question...
[08:40 am] joeytsa  : in/out of the market or in/out of the stocks that make up the s&p?
[08:41 am] joeytsa  : im not sure, maybe Ed has a good answer
[08:41 am] go4it  : when cnbc talks about levitation what does that mean?
[08:41 am] joeytsa  : what does anything cnbc says mean  hahaha
[08:42 am] doji  : CLH files delayed 10-K
[08:42 am] Ed : its more of relfection of risk/return charactersistics fo large cap companies
[08:42 am] go4it  : lol but is it reference to magic?
[08:43 am] joeytsa  : if that wasnt the easiest /ES short i dont know what was  haha
[08:43 am] doji  : CLH still dropping on increasing volume
[08:43 am] go4it  : sorry Ed don't understand your response
[08:43 am] doji  : watch 49.5
[08:44 am] doji  : Watching 49sh
[08:45 am] doji  : Short? I was watching the long1
[08:46 am] Ed : basically bruce its designed to be indicator of US equities
[08:47 am] Ed : yea doji I was prepared to take either way,
[08:48 am] go4it  : copy that but doesn't new money need to come in for it to rise?
[08:48 am] doji  : Still short Ed?
[08:48 am] Ed : sellers picked up could not hold 50 so use few cents away to take it short
[08:48 am] joeytsa  : /CL trying to bottom
[08:48 am] joeytsa  : getting free fed money everymonth
[08:48 am] Ed : great question, u can buy overnigh futres and cause a bump in price without true buying
[08:49 am] Ed : in SAP
[08:49 am] joeytsa  : right Ed
[08:49 am] Ed : SAP= S&P
[08:49 am] joeytsa  : 1 contract = 500 stocks :)
[08:49 am] Ed : thats why we have a market been going up on light vol and sells on heavy vol
[08:49 am] go4it  : maybe thats where the levitation comes in?
[08:53 am] Ed : Im sure slick way of saying what happening without actually saying it
[08:53 am] joeytsa  : levitation ; whats coming with your taxes
[08:55 am] go4it  : IDK it just feels like a bubble like the housing market with all the borrowed money proping it up.
[08:55 am] joeytsa  : of course it is
[08:55 am] joeytsa  : only a matter of time, but who knows when
[08:56 am] Ed : "markets can remain irrational long than we can remain solvent"
[08:56 am] go4it  : I almost rady to go all in on TZA lol
[08:56 am] joeytsa  : let it signal down first, then go all in :)
[08:57 am] Ed : right that way u have a .10 stop LOL
[08:57 am] go4it  : :)
[08:57 am] joeytsa  : haha
[08:58 am] joeytsa  : /ES basing here
[09:00 am] Ed : u get that long doji on CLH
[09:01 am] doji  : Yes Ed, at 48.61 and out at the VWAP at 49.6... Thanks Ed
[09:02 am] eyes  : lnkd
[09:02 am] doji  : Now riding BDBD from 8.6
[09:02 am] Ed : nice play doji
[09:04 am] joeytsa  : there's the quick /ES bounce :)
[09:06 am] doji  : Broke 50dMA
[09:09 am] doji  : LYB short at 60.39
[09:11 am] Ed : nice trading  doji
[09:12 am] gregs  : nice doji, sitting on the sidelines waiting for pullback
[09:12 am] shark  : nice doji, Ed
[09:13 am] joeytsa  : /ES up into pp
[09:14 am] joeytsa  : tighten /CL if long off that dbl bot on pos div
[09:16 am] joeytsa  : nice trading doji,Ed
[09:17 am] Ed : thx joey did u take long breakout on LYB
[09:17 am] joeytsa  : no, had eyes on futures charts
[09:17 am] Ed : seems like best trading action all week
[09:18 am] joeytsa  : break over $59 was nice
[09:22 am] eyes  : you long it Joey
[09:22 am] joeytsa  : no, not in LYB
[09:24 am] shark  : EUR/USD working higher
[09:25 am] eyes  : did you go long on break
[09:25 am] joeytsa  : no
[09:25 am] eyes  : OK
[09:31 am] joeytsa  : CRM still a monster
[09:33 am] qwert  : i got out o fcrm at 174.49  :((
[09:33 am] qwert  : out of
[09:35 am] Ed : u did not take over 178
[09:37 am] qwert  : no i was doing something else and missed
[09:39 am] joeytsa  : thx Ed
[09:40 am] qwert  : Ed did you make a call to go long on CRM over 178
[09:41 am] Ed : yes
[09:42 am] Ed : so we picked on it couple of times to day
[09:42 am] qwert  : oh okay i was planning on watching that area but didnt see your call
[09:43 am] Ed : no problem hard to get every idea
[09:43 am] qwert  : for sure but i was looking back in chat just now and did not see one
[09:44 am] Ed : at 10:10 est
[09:45 am] Ed : first attempt was 10:22est
[09:45 am] qwert  : thx down here or up on top where the air is clear
[09:45 am] Ed : up top where air is clear and lot of room to fall
[09:46 am] qwert  : hahahaha
[09:46 am] joeytsa  : :)
[09:47 am] qwert  : okay i see it thx  i just didnt look at cream then i thought it was already over at that point
[09:47 am] Ed : no problem
[09:48 am] qwert  : i thought you were making an after the fact statement
[09:50 am] Ed : no it was pre
[09:50 am] Ed : strenghth had come back into market place
[09:54 am] elisha  : AWAY playing with that 29.30 area you were talking about Ed
[09:55 am] Ed : thx for reminder elisha, Im going to pass this time of day
[09:55 am] shark  : FB pop
[09:56 am] Ed : guess news caught up
[09:56 am] shark  : :)
[09:57 am] elisha  : Ed - Just saw your post of 6:57.  Thank you for putting it in writing - I adore documentation
[09:57 am] Ed : good deal
[10:01 am] doji  : Joey, you were right, nothing seems to stop this rally
[10:02 am] joeytsa  : market just kind of basing along here
[10:02 am] joeytsa  : or consolidating
[10:04 am] joeytsa  : could just be because of lunchtime
[10:04 am] shark  : GOOG new all time high
[10:05 am] shark  : sorry, still $2 off
[10:05 am] joeytsa  : close enough haha
[10:05 am] shark  : yeah, like 4th time retest of the 809 area
[10:06 am] doji  : isn't it 809?
[10:07 am] shark  : be interesting to see
[10:10 am] doji  : The problem is see with this market is that uninformed people are just jumping into the markets on the believe it  will run forever. I personally know a couple of people just putting all their savings on stocks..... at the end, these are the ones being killed
[10:11 am] joeytsa  : thats how the game is played
[10:12 am] joeytsa  : but if people trust someone else with their money..thats their unintelligent decision
[10:12 am] doji  : I agree but one has the moral responsability to let all those less uninformed friends the risks of trading specially when the market has run a lot
[10:13 am] joeytsa  : true, but no reason to be uninformed in this day and age
[10:13 am] joeytsa  : people do it with stocks, with their health etc
[10:14 am] joeytsa  : sad that it happens
[10:14 am] lisas  : Well, my 2 cents worth: We should teach financial information in school. We teach all kinds of stuff they will never use, everyone would use this information
[10:14 am] joeytsa  : 100% agree
[10:14 am] joeytsa  : school system is a joke
[10:15 am] lisas  : I wouldn't go that far, but it's very resistant to improvement
[10:15 am] doji  : Waiting for Superman?
[10:15 am] joeytsa  : doesnt prepare you for life at all, only on how to get a job
[10:15 am] lisas  : and not even that
[10:16 am] lisas  : employers are having problems with current HS graduates, reading levels, math,
[10:17 am] lisas  : When I was in the Navy, we had to remediate a good number of recruits to be able to read Navy manuals, written for 9 grade reading level
[10:17 am] shark  : UGHHHHH!!!
[10:18 am] elisha  : you have to also factor in human behavior wherein a % of people refuse to believe anything to do with the markets is not gambling
[10:18 am] shark  : I agree; financial information critical, lisa
[10:19 am] lisas  : That's because they don't understand it. I thought my car was magic until I took an engineering class, now I know why I need to check the oil:)
[10:19 am] elisha  : too true - knoweldge is a gas
[10:19 am] shark  : the market is ownership, equity, profit sharing
[10:20 am] shark  : like sharing ownership in a private business or home
[10:20 am] shark  : maybe we have an afternoon sell off here
[10:22 am] joeytsa  : school system keeps lowering the bar also
[10:22 am] shark  : is that a union thing, joey?
[10:22 am] joeytsa  : not sure, almost like a class warfare though..no pun intended :)
[10:23 am] joeytsa  : as in when grades are curved
[10:23 am] shark  : ahhh
[10:23 am] shark  : bell curve grading?
[10:24 am] joeytsa  : you will see it on a macro level economically over the next couple years
[10:24 am] joeytsa  : yep
[10:24 am] joeytsa  : unless something changes
[10:25 am] shark  : ugh
[10:25 am] joeytsa  : read something about a year ago saying that they were going to take writing out of the curriculum
[10:26 am] joeytsa  : just look on fb, young kids have troubles spelling as it is
[10:27 am] joeytsa  : /ES 3pt range
[10:33 am] joeytsa  : lunch tyme befour my pour edumacation has me speling wurds awl mis-spellified  :)
[10:33 am] shark  : lol :)
[10:33 am] joeytsa  : see you in 30  haha
[10:48 am] elisha  : just now reading how to "take dictation" from a head & shoulders pattern.
[10:49 am] elisha  : formula says AAPL going down to 347 ish
[10:50 am] elisha  : on weekly chart
[10:53 am] doji  : Nice to know now Elisha...
[10:54 am] elisha  : yes Doji - but I know by now no guarantees
[10:55 am] joeytsa  : CRM pull back to $181 area
[10:56 am] elisha  : Mitch always said if a stock gives big moves early keep watching it
[10:57 am] joeytsa  : yep
[11:01 am] doji  : No garantees? I just bought all puts I could find!
[11:01 am] doji  : hahahaha
[11:01 am] elisha  : that's thinking positive!
[11:01 am] lisas  : even the ones expiring in a couple hours:)
[11:01 am] doji  : ALL of the, all...
[11:06 am] joeytsa  : :)
[11:07 am] joeytsa  : /CL about the only thing i have giving any kind of move
[11:08 am] murano  : SRPT
[11:08 am] joeytsa  : cant believe i missed CELG today  arrggg
[11:09 am] joeytsa  : nice murano
[11:15 am] skydiver  : s SRPT -  29.43 - thnx murano - first trad for me today -- how was this morningz?
[11:16 am] Ed : lot of great action this am
[11:16 am] skydiver  : I just new I didn't want to be at that meeting today
[11:16 am] skydiver  : :)
[11:19 am] joeytsa  : haha
[11:20 am] joeytsa  : well when i see the white smoke signalling that you are the new pope, you can hire others for those meetings  :)
[11:20 am] skydiver  : :)
[11:21 am] joeytsa  : pope Sky I
[11:21 am] skydiver  : that has a nice ring to it joey :)
[11:21 am] joeytsa  : :)
[11:21 am] joeytsa  : but you arent catholic correct?
[11:22 am] skydiver  : no joey . . . but I guess I could become one if they want me to be pope.   My mother in law is Roman Catholic
[11:22 am] joeytsa  : gotya
[11:23 am] skydiver  : I have attended many Catholic services over the years for her :)
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : only if the pay is good
[11:23 am] skydiver  : have preached in a couple of Catholic churches over the years
[11:23 am] skydiver  : they pay the Pope???   wow
[11:23 am] joeytsa  : churches themselves are usually beautiful
[11:24 am] skydiver  : Yes . . .we have a few beautiful ones here in Portland Oregon . . . My son sings in the Portland Symphonic Choir and they do lts of performances in one  - pipe organs ang great sound champber for choirs
[11:25 am] joeytsa  : nice
[11:25 am] skydiver  : the previous priest accross the street from our church ussed to come over all the time to our church and we did joint services together
[11:26 am] joeytsa  : real cool
[11:26 am] skydiver  : We also have a Lutheran congregation using one of our auditoriums for services each week.
[11:27 am] joeytsa  : all working together..the world needs more of that
[11:27 am] joeytsa  : /ES still in a tight range
[11:27 am] doji  : Just too UVXY long at 11.19... with stop below 11.0... let's see how the market closes
[11:27 am] joeytsa  : scalpable, but thats about it
[11:29 am] eyes  : Qwert s internet just went out
[11:29 am] eyes  : he said to let you all know
[11:29 am] skydiver  : not fun for qwert
[11:30 am] joeytsa  : no fun at all
[11:35 am] murano  : IEP
[11:36 am] joeytsa  : PCYC a tricky stock
[11:37 am] joeytsa  : nice moves off lows, but spotty vol thru the day
[11:38 am] joeytsa  : nice Ed, another one with weird vol action
[11:38 am] doji  : Sure after you place your trade Ed..... haha
[11:38 am] Ed : agreed joey
[11:38 am] Ed : too funny, but u guys come first doji
[11:39 am] doji  : Machines just going nuts and buying all Joey?
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : no clue
[11:40 am] doji  : There needs to be an answer....
[11:40 am] doji  : At least we know what we don't know
[11:40 am] joeytsa  : could be some news
[11:41 am] joeytsa  : SHPG had a big spike also
[11:42 am] joeytsa  : go back a few hours on both BIIB, SHPG..kind of look similar to me
[11:43 am] joeytsa  : both made a run up at noon est
[11:48 am] Ed : gave nice 2nd attempt doji, hope u got it
[11:50 am] Ed : wish i kept an eye on AAPL when mentioned it was weak this morning
[11:50 am] doji  : Yes Ed, $2 profit... Thanks Ed, you are that "man"
[11:50 am] joeytsa  : AAPL just a broken stock right now
[11:51 am] Ed : beautiful broken stock
[11:51 am] joeytsa  : that daily chart is a thing made for textbooks
[11:51 am] Ed : big miss was hitting it short after could not get momentum at 700
[11:51 am] doji  : I am now $1 closer to that $325 level that I was promissed
[11:52 am] Ed : doji is too funny
[11:52 am] Ed : ur right joey textbook all the way up to 700 and now
[11:53 am] joeytsa  : both ways yes
[11:53 am] elisha  : that was the 347ish level, Doji
[11:53 am] doji  : All the MA's just reversed after that 700 level
[11:53 am] Ed : all text book like u said
[11:53 am] joeytsa  : and it doesnt matter what you have on the charts
[11:53 am] joeytsa  : ma's, indis, bollingers etc
[12:00 pm] joeytsa  : tigthen SHPG if long
[12:02 pm] doji  : Watching FB
[12:06 pm] joeytsa  : AMZN hod
[12:07 pm] doji  : Hey Joey, back in the .com buble, was the market bullinh like it's today?
[12:07 pm] doji  : in the 1999's
[12:07 pm] joeytsa  : this is nothing like back then
[12:07 pm] joeytsa  : at least to me
[12:08 pm] doji  : explain
[12:08 pm] joeytsa  : you would see multiple stocks up/down $20 or so..huge gaps every morning
[12:08 pm] Ed : u could almost by at any price hold and you would make ton of money in one day
[12:08 pm] joeytsa  : thats when i learned to play gaps..never looked at anthing gapping less than $4..now i use $1 as a floor
[12:09 pm] Ed : it became so easy everyone wanted to be trader, so shops opened everywhere
[12:10 pm] Ed : everyone could give advice on hot stock and it worked, grocer, barber, trashman, janitor,etc
[12:10 pm] Ed : really easy money
[12:10 pm] Ed : then march 2000 came
[12:10 pm] doji  : NFLX
[12:11 pm] joeytsa  : yeah Ed, thats when traders stopped trading against each other and went for the public trader
[12:12 pm] elisha  : How did they do that joey?
[12:12 pm] Ed : public trader was the "sucker"
[12:12 pm] joeytsa  : went after everyone who opened an etrade/ameritrade etc account
[12:13 pm] joeytsa  : NFLX nice move from cons
[12:13 pm] doji  : How?
[12:14 pm] joeytsa  : on nasdaq, by gapping stocks
[12:14 pm] Ed : all the big houses cold see ur bets, and trading against you, plus they put out reports thay public used for investing while they had their own reports
[12:14 pm] joeytsa  : yeah Ed
[12:14 pm] doji  : So nothing has changed really
[12:14 pm] Ed : only thing that has change now are the players, same game
[12:15 pm] joeytsa  : and also decimal prices
[12:15 pm] joeytsa  : much tighter spreads for them now
[12:15 pm] Ed : oh yea forgot that and commisions
[12:15 pm] elisha  : Was there a particular event that caused the crash then?
[12:15 pm] joeytsa  : the crash actually started in 1998, most people didnt see it coming
[12:16 pm] Ed : I heard an old german trader tell me, if u want to know where next bubble going to be follow money of the banks
[12:16 pm] joeytsa  : took a few years for the fall to kick in
[12:17 pm] Ed : plus one thing for certain when any and everyone can become an advisor without training little knowledge just matter of time before pendallum swings other way
[12:18 pm] Ed : like when everyone could be mortgage broker, or loan officer
[12:18 pm] joeytsa  : yeah
[12:18 pm] Ed : everyone could do real estate, trader, car sales and so on
[12:19 pm] joeytsa  : another "tell" is when things get huge media time...
[12:19 pm] joeytsa  : i remember mid-2000's, there were multiple infomercials on getting great deals on home loans
[12:20 pm] joeytsa  : $200k for some low monthly price...had a feeling something was up
[12:20 pm] joeytsa  : couple years later the banks got rocked
[12:21 pm] joeytsa  : same thing past few years with all of the gold commercials
[12:21 pm] joeytsa  : if you see your portfolio on the cover of Time or People magazine..you just might want to sell haha
[12:23 pm] eyes  : Joey you like Lightspeed any thing negitive about them
[12:23 pm] joeytsa  : customer service is weakest, followed by charts
[12:23 pm] joeytsa  : but honestly i have never had a prob with either
[12:24 pm] joeytsa  : some cool things about it, tradestation much more flexible though..still like eSignal charts the best but i dont use them right now
[12:26 pm] joeytsa  : i love how Lightspeed links with madscan..dbl click and everything loads up
[12:26 pm] joeytsa  : plus it has L3/Books..decent ticker alert
[12:28 pm] doji  : Come on UVXY, keep pushing up
[12:30 pm] joeytsa  : eyes: you have TS now?
[12:33 pm] eyes  : yes
[12:33 pm] joeytsa  : stick with it
[12:34 pm] eyes  : i dont like there order entrys
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : gotya
[12:34 pm] joeytsa  : each platform has its pros/cons
[12:34 pm] eyes  : that is for shur
[12:35 pm] joeytsa  : TS def much more flexible though
[12:35 pm] eyes  : In what means
[12:35 pm] joeytsa  : havent tried it for futures though
[12:36 pm] joeytsa  : much more charting options/chart trading/matrix, multiple workspaces etc
[12:36 pm] eyes  : for futures they want really high margin
[12:36 pm] joeytsa  : i dont use them for that
[12:37 pm] eyes  : i dont like there chart trader ninjas is by far the best
[12:37 pm] joeytsa  : if i had to pick just one platform, it would be TS
[12:37 pm] joeytsa  : thankfully i dont have to pick one haha
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : sure Mitch
[12:38 pm] joeytsa  : its not that video of Ed dancing again is it :)
[12:39 pm] eyes  : Lucky for you
[12:40 pm] doji  : Nope, it's Ed weariing his pink speedo in Cancun
[12:40 pm] joeytsa  : :)
[12:41 pm] Ed : lol
[12:43 pm] doji  : run UVXY run
[12:45 pm] joeytsa  : 3mins early signal
[12:45 pm] joeytsa  : and about 20c
[12:46 pm] skydiver  : Nice Mitch
[12:46 pm] elisha  : wow
[12:47 pm] skydiver  : :)
[12:47 pm] joeytsa  : looks nice
[12:47 pm] taco  : yes
[12:47 pm] joeytsa  : CRM run up
[12:48 pm] skydiver  : nice work Mitch . . .
[12:49 pm] joeytsa  : real cool
[12:49 pm] elisha  : the pattern also looks cleaner
[12:50 pm] joeytsa  : just load up a few different futures
[12:50 pm] skydiver  : It all adds up big time . . .
[12:50 pm] elisha  : the power of the increment
[12:50 pm] doji  : SPY rallying at the close...
[12:50 pm] joeytsa  : i will take $230 200x/day  :)
[12:51 pm] joeytsa  : right
[12:51 pm] skydiver  : ok
[12:51 pm] elisha  : you mean because the signal is ahead of the volume surge?
[12:52 pm] elisha  : so its ahead of the other traders
[12:52 pm] joeytsa  : means a lot with futures since they are FIFO
[12:53 pm] skydiver  : good point joey.
[12:53 pm] skydiver  : Amazing Mitch . . . all I can say is wow
[12:54 pm] elisha  : it makes sense
[12:54 pm] elisha  : so - wow again
[12:55 pm] skydiver  : Wonderful Mitch . . . a huge Thanks :)
[12:55 pm] joeytsa  : perfect
[12:55 pm] elisha  : Thank you Mitch
[12:56 pm] regatta  : thanks mitch
[12:57 pm] taco  : thanks Mitch, Ed and everyone, have a great wknd. I'll be back later next wk. Off to florida for annual boat trip with my dadio.
[12:58 pm] go4it  : aapl
[12:58 pm] joeytsa  : bye Ed
[12:58 pm] joeytsa  : enjoy taco
[12:59 pm] skydiver  : Enjoy Taco - catch lots
[01:01 pm] elisha  : bye taco
[01:03 pm] joeytsa  : but thats how trading is
[01:03 pm] joeytsa  : thanks Mitch, you have a great weekend also
[01:03 pm] joeytsa  : bye everyone, see you on monday
[01:03 pm] skydiver  : Thanks again Mitch -- good weekend to everyone and see ya all Monday :)
[01:04 pm] elisha  : Thank you again Mitch, have a wonderful weekend everyone

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